Disgruntled Anonymous Faction Maliciously Attacks Anonymous

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Jonny49:
I would have thought it would be obvious that some time down the line someone would attempt to take charge of an organisation that has no hierarchy.

It's just kind of what people do.

As far as I know, every previous attempt has either been met with hearty laughter or caused a more cohesive and separate group to form. I don't follow this stuff as much as I used to, mostly because Encyclopedia Dramatica was taken down, but I was unaware AnonOps was a flagship-- actually now that I think about it, I think it was more of an annoyance-- so it might not be true, or it might not be as true as they say, and anyway you kind of can't gauge something like that what with most of the people being anonymous.

"God...so much name-blam!-ing.

Did they not get the memo? its called ANONYMOUS"

This, very much this, Anonymous doesn't have many principles, but predictably anonymity is one of them, putting your name out in public means you're not, or no longer, a part of that group by definition.
The part about democracy and some other parts indicate The Escapist's writers/editors/whoever are getting closer to understanding it though. To be clear, I'm not praising or exactly supporting Anon, I'm saying they should be understood for various reasons.

Eh, let them tear each other to pieces. The world will be a better place once the dust settles

Guys, pass me some of that popcorn, will you?

Oh the drama. How I love it.

2012 Wont Happen:
AnonOps wasn't a hierarchy, it was a way to organize attacks. By exposing the identities of the people involved in these attacks, Ryan (which is not an Anonymous title) has betrayed the core principle of Anonymous.

Not one of the core principles. The only core principle. Remain Anonymous in your operations, whatever they are.

as others have said, they dont want anonymity, they just dont want to be responsible for their actions. If they actually wanted to be anonymous they wouldn't claim to be part of a group with a name, identity, and freakin website

I can just see Michael Moore making a documentary out of this one day. Won't that be special.

cursedseishi:
I guess you can say Anonymous...
*slips on shades*
doesn't know who it is anymore...

This is by and far the best one of these I have seen.
OT: I'm interested in seeing where this goes, but not to a major extent.

Good news for the federal government.

I think that you should understand what anon really is, it is simply a LEGION in it's serch for lulz, and nothing else.
get over it

This sounds like the setup to a face to face showdown and the most dramatic nerd slap-fight in history. Of course this all goes to prove a point: you can't have this amount of power gathered into a group and not expect leadership to enter into power.

While I think busting up the moralfagging is hilarious, this "Ryan" is clearly namefagging, which is just as bad, if not worse.

Internet civil war ... this should be interesting.

I saw this coming, in fact I was always surprised it hadn't happened yet.

And so the great Anonymous schism begins.

"Anon used Nasty Plot! It hurt itself in its confusion!"

Really though, I'm surprised something like this didn't happen much sooner. I mean, this it Anonymous we're talking about.

"Anonymous has no central leadership you could arrest. Its just a completely democratic group with no structure"- Hundreds of posts on any thread about Anon.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

UrKnightErrant:
HAH! I totally saw this coming...

UrKnightErrant:

That's because you're thinking of anon as a single organization. It's not. It's an amalgam of hackers and script kiddies. Just because an anon picks up a cause it doesn't mean that he has universal, or even majority, support. In fact it's entirely possible... actually pretty likely... that different anon groups will eventually find themselves divided on an important issue and hacking in opposition to one another. And that's OK. It's all about the lulz anyway, right? Anon vs. Anon will would be a mad fun show.

Posting member IP addresses is just LOW. This Ryan guy is either one serious douche bag or a fed snitch.

Or "Ryan" doesn't actually exist. He might an identity created by the feds for the purposes of infiltrating and destabilizing Anon from the inside.

I can't imagine anyone would risk the kind of shitstorm that could come down on them for betraying anonymous like that, the whole fed operation angle is starting to look more and more likely.

Desert Tiger:

RDubayoo:
Oh, and another thing, I thought Anonymous didn't have centralized leadership and all that jazz? And yet this article describes a "hierarchy" being established within them, and Anonymous leaders "going rogue" and abusing roles and... you know what? I've decided that from now on I'm not going to believe a single word written by any Anonymous apologist ever again.

You don't see that's the entire point this has happened?

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that a hierarchy of leadership was created and that the Anonymous apologists weren't being honest about who and what Anonymous really was. And it may have (supposedly) been Ryan's motive for starting this civil war, but I don't think he quite gets that this hierarchy was inevitable, as was its destruction under the weight of its members' stupidity.

Or, let's try the short version: So?

Not that surprising when you get together a bunch of egotistical hackers that there would eventually be SOME friction between members *Pulls out a bag of popcorn*

Samualwallow:
I feel like moviemakers should really start looking at real life when writing their scripts. One piece of news like this sparks so much more imagination then the average movie or serie.

Go make a movie out of this!

yeah playing now Hacker Wars!

Ok for this show we need more than snacks
*sets up fully stocked bar and kitchen*

<facepalm>

Someone needs to write a book about theses guys. The drama is getting good.

*grabs popcorn*

More OT: This seems like the ultimate example of trolling. What happens when the uber trolls are trolled by a faction of said uber trolls.

[world explodes]

Anonymous is the practice of mob rule writ large and in real-time. And here we see one of the primary drawbacks to mob rule: What happens when the mob isn't in lockstep?

Also, quit bogarting the nachos, and give me some of that cheese-in-a-can.

I'm seeing a Hollywood block-buster coming up!

*grabs popcorn and a folding chair and sits next to other popcorn eaters*

Ugh. Anonymous has no centralised websites. Anonymous has no leaders. If a group of them have a centralised website or leader, they cease to be Anonymous. The whole point of calling it "Anonymous" is giving a name to a group that can't really rightly be called a group in any reasonable sense.

Every one of these news stories shows all over again that the writers still just don't get it.

So amorphous Anonymous is unanimous in decrying this boisterous member who is incongruous with their sanctimonious ways. But if they are so ubiquitous, certainly the group's politics won't be 100% harmonious. Sooner or later, someone would become cantankerous, rebellious, even, and revolt in a manner most ceremonious. Whatever. If they are so enormous, then some of their members are bound to be deciduous.

Atomic Skull:

UrKnightErrant:
HAH! I totally saw this coming...

UrKnightErrant:

That's because you're thinking of anon as a single organization. It's not. It's an amalgam of hackers and script kiddies. Just because an anon picks up a cause it doesn't mean that he has universal, or even majority, support. In fact it's entirely possible... actually pretty likely... that different anon groups will eventually find themselves divided on an important issue and hacking in opposition to one another. And that's OK. It's all about the lulz anyway, right? Anon vs. Anon will would be a mad fun show.

Posting member IP addresses is just LOW. This Ryan guy is either one serious douche bag or a fed snitch.

Or "Ryan" doesn't actually exist. He might an identity created by the feds for the purposes of infiltrating and destabilizing Anon from the inside.

I can't imagine anyone would risk the kind of shitstorm that could come down on them for betraying anonymous like that, the whole fed operation angle is starting to look more and more likely.

Unlikely. The Feds wouldn't publically destroy the credibility of their mole and publically leak the IP addresses like "ryan" did. Any smart government agency (and they are smart) would have merely covertly investigated the IP's and performed arrests, and Anons would assume those guys simply screwed up and got caught. If the Fed wanted to take down AnonOps, they would have probably arrested "Owen" and other AnonOps administrators, moderators, domain name owners first, seized the domain names not under "ryan's" control, and then shut down the entire damn thing once they had the rights to all the domain names. "Ryan's" actions are too public, cause too little damage, and are far too weak to have been a government plot.

Jaime_Wolf:
Ugh. Anonymous has no centralised websites. Anonymous has no leaders. If a group of them have a centralised website or leader, they cease to be Anonymous. The whole point of calling it "Anonymous" is giving a name to a group that can't really rightly be called a group in any reasonable sense.

Every one of these news stories shows all over again that the writers still just don't get it.

I've had this argument with a few people so many times, but it seems like you guys are the ones not getting it...

Yes, essentially that's what "anon" is... anyone and everyone, anywhere and everywhere.

BUT there is a core group of people who make up the roster for most of these "doings". By definition of the word, they are NOT "anonymous"... but they are using that word as a name for themselves. It's ironic. Doesn't mean it's null.

"Anon" is an idea that far too many neck bearded basement dwellers support without fully realizing the consequences of their actions.

If "anon" continues to do this kind of shit... Mark my words, it will not be long before government mandates are put into place that regulate the internet to a point where your internet activity is monitored 100% of the time that you're connected.

JUST WATCH.

How the hell can there be "factions" within Anonymous? Nobody has any names, and factions require names and identities to be able to function. In Anonymous everyone has a faction of one - themselves. Just like in real life! When everyone is called Anonymous, you don't know who the hell you are targeting - just whether or not you agree with their actions. Classic anarchy. It's not factionalism.

There has been a rallying cry within Anonymous for a group calling themselves Magnaminous, but as soon as they become Magnaminous, they are no longer Anonymous. It's bloody stupid, ultimately self-defeating, and it's just giving the media something to actually report on, since there's nothing else to actually scare the populace with now that Osama Bin Ladin has been killed.

So,2011 is the year when ponies took over the Internet and it's also the year when Anonymous just loses it's sh*t on itself.

SIMPLY EPIC.

I think it might be too little about a month too late if they're hoping to take away any of the media attention they've got. Hopefully they'll all annoy each other rather than us until people show up to arrest them.

SelectivelyEvil13:
So amorphous Anonymous is unanimous in decrying this boisterous member who is incongruous with their sanctimonious ways. But if they are so ubiquitous, certainly the group's politics won't be 100% harmonious. Sooner or later, someone would become cantankerous, rebellious, even, and revolt in a manner most ceremonious. Whatever. If they are so enormous, then some of their members are bound to be deciduous.

Bloody marvellous!

There so much drama surrounding Anonymous of late, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody decided to make a documentary about it.

brb, getting popcorn

Seriously guys. I mean seriously. Am I the only one eating nachos and cheese whilst watching this? I mean popcorn is great and everything but nachos all the way. *Slurp* Well I can't wait to see how this progresses and turns out. I mean it already sounds like something big is brewing.

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