New Book Claims Soviets Orchestrated Roswell UFO Scare

New Book Claims Soviets Orchestrated Roswell UFO Scare

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It's almost impossible to count all the theories about Area 51, but Cold War animosity is a pretty good one.

Here's some quick background in case you haven't seen any popular science fiction in that last four decades. Something crashed near Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 and the US military brought whatever wreckage left to the secret research facility called Area 51. That event has spawned endless speculation that an alien spacecraft either crashed by accident or landed in New Mexico to make first contact, depending on the theory. Now, however, a book called Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base written by Annie Jacobsen posits that the whole kerfuffle in New Mexico was actually engineered by Soviet Russia to prove it could terrorize the American people.

Jacobsen bases her book on the testimony of a single informant, an engineer brought in to investigate the remnants of the crash. He affirms that the Soviets launched a disk-shaped aircraft from a mothership located in Alaska to land in the continental United States. Because of the disk's shape, the craft evaded some radar detection, but was not completely invisible to 1947 instruments. The source said he saw Cyrrilic lettering on the ship as well as the bodies of several "child-size" pilots that were either genetically or surgically altered to have large heads and big eyes. These poor souls were apparently the result of experiments by the Nazi scientist Josef Mengele.

The big question is "Why?" According to the source, the Soviets were afraid of the atomic bomb used to end World War 2, and Josef Stalin ordered the hoax in order to prove that he had the power to scare Americans just as much. U.S. officials covered up the hoax, because they were embarrassed that they were doing similar things with experiments on radiation poisoning.

The guy's story is all very fishy, but Jacobsen believes that he is telling the truth. "He had nothing to gain and everything to lose by telling me, "but it was a matter of conscience for him," she said.

I want to believe, as any fan of the X-Files will say, but I don't think I believe anything this guy is telling Jacobsen. There have been some far-fetched things that have occurred throughout human history, sure, but to assert that Russia orchestrated the whole Roswell fiasco just to strike fear into our hearts like some perverted version of the War of the Worlds broadcast just seems silly.

Thankfully, both UFO supporters and military experts are coming out to denounce Jacobsen's book. "People have been studying the Roswell case for decades now," said Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center. "They've got deathbed testimony. They've got testimony from military officers who were involved, eyewitnesses. I think I'll go with the latter, rather than this young lady who penned this new book."

Source: Cosmic Log

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*runs into the room

"This changes EVERYTHING!"

*runs away like a mad man.

Off Topic: Anyone read conspiracy books for pure enjoyment, and want to recommend a good one?

This proves nothing I have heard of several so called, 'eye witnesses' who were there who later came out and claimed that all of the scientific advances that happened afterward, lasers, night vision goggles, etc. All came about because there was an alien space craft that crashed that had those items on board. That there was some metal in the ship that was extremely strong yet flexible- Although I have to admit this is one I hadn't thought of yet. I'm still gonna go with little green men. Far more fun.

Sober Thal:
*runs into the room

"This changes EVERYTHING!"

*runs away like a mad man.

Off Topic: Anyone read conspiracy books for pure enjoyment, and want to recommend a good one?

I second that book recommendation!

This is interesting, but I believe the Roswell scare was a false flag attempt, the government scares the people into becoming more nationalistic... except this one backfired.

Has anyone every actually thought aliens ACTUALLY landed on Earth?

Sober Thal:
Off Topic: Anyone read conspiracy books for pure enjoyment, and want to recommend a good one?

The Biggest Secret by David Icke. Absolutely exquisite from start to finish.

On Topic: Crazy Soviet scare tactic really isn't that far-fetched an idea. No clue if it's true but I've heard way crazier even without invoking aliens.

I could have sworn that the Roswell Incident occured in 1947. *Checks the Interwebinetz* Yeap, July 4th, 1947. Anyway, if it was in 1951, why would Stalin do this? The Soviets detonated their first atomic bomb in 1949, that was enough to make Americans shit their pants in fear. And in 1947, the Soviets were already working on said bomb based on data and specs gleamed by their spies from the Manhattan Project. Why crash land a saucer in the New Mexico desert when your great equalizer was on the way?

... This Conspiracy makes the most sense out of all conspiracies of Roswell. But again, this is still a Conspiracy, so I won't believe it unless further evidence is brought into the light.

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Greg Tito:
Here's some quick background in case you haven't seen any popular science fiction in that last four decades. Something crashed near Roswell, New Mexico in 1951 and the US military brought whatever wreckage left to the secret research facility called Area 51.

Hey, Greg, I'm not sure if this is an error on your part or the book's, but I'm pretty sure that the so called "Roswell incident" happened in 1947, not 1951. If it is an error in the book itself, then that raises severe doubt on the veracity of the book's claim when they can't even get the date right.

Besides, I thought I heard that the whole thing was resolved when they declassified files stating that the debris recovered from Roswell was from "Project Mogul," a top secret project to use high altitude balloons to spy on Soviet military bases. One of these balloons crashed in Roswell and G-men were sent to recover it. When curiosity led people to question what the debris was, a representative of the army claimed it was a crashed UFO, in line with the military's clandestine agenda to make people misidentify secret experimental aircraft as alien spaceships. Quickly realizing that this would only intensify curiosity instead of divert it, he later redacted his earlier statement and said it was a crashed weather balloon.

Fox242:
I could have sworn that the Roswell Incident occured in 1947. *Checks the Interwebinetz* Yeap, July 4th, 1947. Anyway, if it was in 1951, why would Stalin do this? The Soviets detonated their first atomic bomb in 1949, that was enough to make Americans shit their pants in fear. And in 1947, the Soviets were alrady working on said bomb based on data and specs gleamed by their spies in the Manhattan Project. Why crash land a saucer in the New Mexico desert when your great equalizer was on the way?

Secondly, the theory states that children were genetically altered to look like the greys. How did they genetically alter DNA when we couldn't even test SPERM until 1986? And how did the children survive such a drastic change?

Wow! This makes perfect sense!

Well, the wreckage was from a secret US monitoring device to see if the Soviets had nuclear weapons, so sorta.

Claims the Soviets were behind, or at least egged on, conspiracy theories to discredit the US aren't new. Then again, that'd be something the KGB was set up to do, wouldn't it?

Why don't they just tell us about Roswell? Well I mean about the "alien" crash, what could it possibly hurt?

Well, she was on the daily show like 2-3 weeks ago. go conspiracy nuts :)

this seems pretty fishy... i think i'll stick to believing in Paul..

Well I prefer to believe the idea that maybe just maybe because all these UFO's seem to hang around an area close to a US Airforce base known to be where they develop and test the next generation of top secret spy/intel planes that yes they are seeing UFO's but these are UFO's not because they are aliens but because they are top secret and joe public doesn't know they exist yet.

For the most part I guess it's an exciting weekend out with friends to camp out in the desert and swap tall tales about strange lights you saw through those ex-russian military spec night vision goggles you picked up on ebay for 100 bucks.

Seriously? Soviets launched a disk-craft from a mothership near alaska?

I'd be more inclined to believe in the visitors.

Ultratwinkie:

Secondly, the theory states that children were genetically altered to look like the greys. How did they genetically alter DNA when we couldn't even test SPERM until 1986? And how did the children survive such a drastic change?

Watson and crick didn't even figure out the structure of DNA until 1953, let alone sequencing and modifying it. Prior to this discovery, genetic engineering would have consisted simply of crossbreeding greyish colored people.

I'd be more inclined to believe INcredible INCREDIBLE HOAX by US govt. gone out of control.

Wow, only 2 weeks late on reporting this one. Old news.

Why does everyone here appear to think that aliens crashed in Roswell? I grew out of that idea when I was like, y'know, 12.

Notably, the author previously made the news for trying to have a bunch of middle eastern musicians arrested for being terrorists because they went to the bathroom too much during a flight.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp
So really, she never HAD any credibility to lose.

A few years ago, I used to work at a warehouse that sold electrical supplies and such. One day we get a pretty standard order for a bunch of fluorescent light bulbs, and the guy came over to pick them up himself. I don't know why, but for whatever reason he wanted to try to impress us by saying (in a complete deadpan, mind you) that these lights were for Area 51, and his company was hired to install them.

I replied to him with something like: "Oh so the United States Air Force is now outsourcing their light bulb duties to small, almost unknown private companies in Las Vegas? It seems strange that they'd go through all that trouble just to screw in a few dead light bulbs."

To this day, I still don't know what compelled him to pull that out of his ass. Maybe he was trying to be funny, or perhaps he attempting sarcasm or something. He sounded completely serious when he told us this, so instantly it reminded me of that schoolyard mentality of "that one kid" who would make up outlandish stories just to impress everyone. You'd think people would eventually grow out of that.

As a child I've always been obsessed with space and aliens and shit, but even then and now I find it hard to give a shit about the Roswell incident. After so many years, it seems obvious that whatever happened there made absolutely no difference in the long run, so people who still cling to their alien theories seem like large children to me.

EDIT - On another note:

AVPMechman:
Notably, the author previously made the news for trying to have a bunch of middle eastern musicians arrested for being terrorists because they went to the bathroom too much during a flight.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp
So really, she never HAD any credibility to lose.

Remember, kids:

Hold in your urine, FOR FREEDOM!

Active bladders are terrorist bladders.

I like to believe that it was imported nazi technology myself, and that's not completely baseless, either.

Rex Fallout:
This proves nothing I have heard of several so called, 'eye witnesses' who were there who later came out and claimed that all of the scientific advances that happened afterward, lasers, night vision goggles, etc. All came about because there was an alien space craft that crashed that had those items on board. That there was some metal in the ship that was extremely strong yet flexible- Although I have to admit this is one I hadn't thought of yet. I'm still gonna go with little green men. Far more fun.

Bah, the number one technological advance in human history came from that spaceship, velcro!

Ultratwinkie:

Secondly, the theory states that children were genetically altered to look like the greys. How did they genetically alter DNA when we couldn't even test SPERM until 1986? And how did the children survive such a drastic change?

lmfao! :D Nice catch.

thiosk:

Watson and crick didn't even figure out the structure of DNA until 1953, let alone sequencing and modifying it. Prior to this discovery, genetic engineering would have consisted simply of crossbreeding greyish colored people.

I love this community. :D

Firstly, it's not her theory. People have believed this has been a Soviet experimental aircraft since the damn thing crashed.

It's a very plausible explanation. During WW2 the Germans tested with a lot of unconventional aircraft, such as Ho-229 and Fl-282. A lot of these "Wunderwaffe" were reverse-engineered by the USSR after the war, the famous example being the V2 rocket, but there were others.

Genetically altered pilots are unlikely, as people have already said, at the time little was known of genetics. Surgically altered, though, that is possible. Individuals like Dr Mengele experimented heavily in surgical and chemical alteration (of course, Mengele was a highly disturbed individual, and the majority of his "experiments" were little more than excuses for sadistic torture). Soviet Science took a good degree of pride in it's medical abilities at that time (the dog's head experiment comes to mind, but again, there were others).

So, think about it, if the greatest threat to your nation had developed an aircraft capable of flying undetected all the way from Russia to New Mexico, you'd be somewhat concerned too, wouldn't you? Enough to seize said aircraft and hastily move it to a secure location?

Saying it must be Aliens is just mad.

Well I wouldn't mind the Soviets launching something, but when you get to the mutant children ... well you may want to pitch this to Hollywood.

Rex Fallout:
This proves nothing I have heard of several so called, 'eye witnesses' who were there who later came out and claimed that all of the scientific advances that happened afterward, lasers, night vision goggles, etc. All came about because there was an alien space craft that crashed that had those items on board.

Sounds like the first Transformers movie...

In case anyone does believe this sillynes, here's the sceptical analysis by Brian Dunning:

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4079

I know someone who swears that the moon landing was staged at Area 51. 100% seriously.

He's a bit...Well, he likes to think outside the box.

Ultratwinkie:

Secondly, the theory states that children were genetically altered to look like the greys. How did they genetically alter DNA when we couldn't even test SPERM until 1986? And how did the children survive such a drastic change?

Obviously the government had this technology way earlier, but was keeping it secret for potential nefarious uses.

Hey. 30% the country believes that Obama faked his birth certificate, went back in time to have a birth announcement placed in a newspaper and is spending vast amounts of money to cover up his identity. People believing the above is NOT unlikely.

...the Soviets. Really? Now that the bearded dude is dead, we have to resort back to the SOVIETS for fear mongering?

At this point, I'd like to announce my new upcoming book: "Forum Poster Points and Laughs at the Wingnuts".

 

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