Apple Patents Anti-Piracy Technology

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Apple Patents Anti-Piracy Technology

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Your iPhone might soon detect whether you are recording that concert and shut itself off.

Piracy is a bad thing. We all know that, right? Right? But I'm also not a big fan of corporations taking away the rights of consumers to use their products in ways the designers might not have intended. Apple is patenting technology which will add the ability for future iterations of the iPhone to automatically detect whether the user is capturing video of a musical performance or a film presentation and disable the camera.

The technology involved is somewhat ingenious. Movie theaters, for example, already use infrared signals broadcasting to individual hearing-aid devices and Apple intends for future iPhones to detect these signals, clueing the device into the fact that its user is watching a film. If you decide to take out your iPhone and perhaps record the X-Men: First Class this weekend, and then possibly upload that file for everyone to see, then you are violating IP law. The proposed technology would prevent you from ever transferring the movie into bits stored on your phone.

The same goes for music concerts, except that performers would have to start blasting infrared signals out into the audience for it to be effective. This I'm actually in favor of, because the amount of schmucks holding up an iPhone at concerts has got to be reduced somehow. What happened to actually enjoying the show? What's with all the freaking pictures, people?

Another, even wierder possibility is for the iPhone to automatically place a watermark over any image taken, instead of disabling photographs altogether. So you might be able to snap a shot at that Lady Gaga show, but the URL to LadyGaga.com will be emblazoned all over it. Ugh.

Now, on the other hand, this tech could be used for good and not for evil, by allowing museums or other landmarks to blast infrared data to the iPhone so that you could get a description of the landscape or historical document you are seeing. Kind of like a digital tour guide without the dirty headset.

Source: Patently Apple

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I don't like this patent personally. I like to film the concerts I go to for my own uses and so I can go back and watch it again some other time. That's not illegal, or at least I don't think it is. I would be pissed if they prohibited us from doing that just because some people might try to pirate it.

This is pretty much ridiculous, id refuse to buy one of them if they did this

I mean, infra red is extremely common. Whats to stop a troll from setting up a large IR transmitter and screwing up everyones iphones?

Aaaand this gets hacked. Yesterday.

... I hope someone pirates it.

OT: I wonder how long it is before some turns the watermark into cocks and such.

More importantly I can understand the why but how long before this kind of thing starts creeping into your tv? It won't be the same thing of course but I mean an anti-record so you have to buy the DVD's, or radio that automatically scrambles at the first hint of you enjoying music for free.

Is recording gigs illegal? I mean fair enough if you start distributing or whatever, but I know I've wanted to at least capture a bit of an event on camera as a bit to remember it by. The recordings are usually too fuzzy and horrible to actually pass as a copy of the song.
The thing about the cinemas however, I definitely approve of.

Wow! What amazing and revolutionary technology! I hope for Apple's sake no consumer realises that all they would have to do to bypass such a restriction is to not use an iPhone.

Cameraphones are the worst thing to happen to gigs since...well they just suck. It doesn't sound quite as satisfying as shoving a phone up the owners arse when they stand up/push infront to record the show. But we can't have everything, I suppose.

manythings:
... I hope someone pirates it.

I was going to make a similar joke.

But...it knows if you are pirating something? How?

Now, maybe if you could get cinemas to broadcast a signal to tell devices not to record, maybe that would work.

Oh no, now i cant listen to my songs coming from low quality shaky sound recorders. [/sarcasm]

This is so stupid, now I cant record something (like the experience of going to a concert) to later watch and remember the good time spent at the concert. People arent recording to put it on pirate bay.

Apple patents your face when you sell your soul to "rent" an iphone and use the camera.

I don't really see why someone would record a movie with their iPhone, I mean that's a lot of space for it to take up, of decent quality, but still pretty bad. I also thought there was a recording time limit but I may be mistaken. As for the concerts, it is annoying when people film it, but at the same time, it doesn't really ruin my experience. I've always wondered why they have to record it though. Can you not enjoy the experience and remember it like that? Or do you have Alzheimer's and you have to film it or else you'll probably forget you ever saw Elton John play (which I did recently, very good!). That being said, it's not really "piracy" in my opinion to film them playing live, I guess record holders would but I thought that live performances were sort of open grounds?

Wait, who would actually use their iPhone to record a movie at the teather? I'm pretty sure those distributing day 1 movies recorded from cinemas use better gear than that. The real threat won't be affected by this at all...

Yet again, Android wins so hard. Its starting to get a little sad.

Also, queue Apple fans lining up to take the piss so hard they'll look like R. Kelly groupies.

I loathe piracy for all that it is.

That being said though, I don't think this is really a good idea. And people will jailbreak it, or buy another recording device.

lotr rocks 0:
I don't like this patent personally. I like to film the concerts I go to for my own uses and so I can go back and watch it again some other time. That's not illegal, or at least I don't think it is. I would be pissed if they prohibited us from doing that just because some people might try to pirate it.

It is against US civil law to "record" copyrighted "performances", but it is up to the Artist/Copyright holders to enforce their own copyrights.

Greg Tito:
What's with all the freaking pictures, people?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/livingroomcomedy/502849246/

I dunno. Some of us like to save a memento that we were there.

Raiyan 1.0:
Aaaand this gets hacked. Yesterday.

Pretty much this. I laughed my balls off when I read the headline.

Also, isn't Android kicking apples ass right now because they're less pyscho controlling?

Baldr:

lotr rocks 0:
I don't like this patent personally. I like to film the concerts I go to for my own uses and so I can go back and watch it again some other time. That's not illegal, or at least I don't think it is. I would be pissed if they prohibited us from doing that just because some people might try to pirate it.

It is against US civil law to "record" copyrighted "performances", but it is up to the Artist/Copyright holders to enforce their own copyrights.

Well I'm not an american so phew :P does that apply to concerts though or is that for like re-recording movies/CD's (cue image of FBI warning on every VHS/DVD ever) how can a concert be copyrighted? And also why is it a big deal if I have no intent to use it for pirating or selling, but just for my own personal use (and of such bad quality that nobody would buy it even if I tried)

I've been to some concerts though where the security guy at the front gate checks me and sees I have a camera with me and they didn't care.

On the other hand I've also been to a Green Day concert where a security guy came to me in my seat and said that someone had reported me for filming and told me to stop or they would take my camera away... (...and the guy one row below me kept filming for the rest of the concert without being told a thing) Seriously who reports people for that? I don't think I was being invasive or disrupting to anyone ( I was in the seating portion of an arena, like an ampitheatre and was holding the camera close to me)

Now they're just intentionally being anti-fun.

Oh goodie! So now there will be less low quality shaky cam with blurry, unfocused video versions of new movies on the internet! This will make it easier for pirates to find copies recorded by someone who had the sense to bring a decent camera with them instead of an iPhone. Awesome!

matrix3509:
Also, queue Apple fans lining up to take the piss so hard they'll look like R. Kelly groupies.

ZING!

Because it won't be hacked after ten funny minutes. Not at all.
Seriously, people recording movies to upload them would easily do this anyway, so what the hell?

This is a terrible idea for everyone, and it makes me really glad I chose to get an Android device. No one does any real bootlegging of concerts or movies on phones (good luck getting an iPhone to last through 90 mins plus of video recording) and the snippets they do get are always terrible quality that no one will want to watch save themselves and maybe a couple friends who, maybe impressed by the quality of the stage show, will go next time the band comes to town. No one's going to see an iPhone recording and say "Well, that was cool, but I clearly don't need to go see that for myself."

And to the folks who are bemoaning people getting out their cameras during shows--either just try not to let it get to you, if it's a good enough show this should be possible, or you could just kindly ask them to put it away. If neither of those work, nudge them into the pit and watch them drop and ruin their nice technology. Capiche?

Why did someone even think to make this? It's just creepy and unnecessary.

time to go back to these:
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I'm totally down for less d-bags holding up phones at shows, but this wont stop traditional cameras (unless they implement a similar thing).

Umm why the fuck would someone want to listen to a recording from an iPhone of a concert when they could more easily get a better quality mp3 almost anywhere else online?

KingsGambit:
Wow! What amazing and revolutionary technology! I hope for Apple's sake no consumer realises that all they would have to do to bypass such a restriction is to not use an iPhone.

Raiyan 1.0:
Aaaand this gets hacked. Yesterday.

These made me laugh.

Another day, another attempt for Apple to limit how you use the devices you purchase from them. Seriously this is bullshit in every way you look at it.

*sigh* Apple...

I have issues with this, so indulge me for a sec.

1) Apple is essentially saying that certain things cannot be filmed/recorded, based on their 'own' definition of what is ok/bad. So your memories of an event are fine but augmenting those memories with a camera is wrong (a little extreme to put it that way but interesting nonetheless). So they'll make certain things impossible to film/record? I realise that recording a concert for other people to watch may be a bit iffy legally, but really, who would watch an iphone video and say, "Welp, now I don't have to see THAT band in concert anymore". Ultimately the free marketing of a filmed concert (probably?) far outweighs the potential lost revenue.

2) 'Patenting' the idea of determining electronically whether what is being filmed is illegal, or not, is a fairly dickish move. Since all patenting does is allow for the suing of people who try to do the same thing. In a roundabout way, Apple is trying to patent copyright infringement so that they can sue for infringement on it :p

3) Generally I'm against closed source devices/programs which limit your ability to use your own device, or software which filters your available information invisibly e.g. PS3 (and weirdly search engines+social media http://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser_beware_online_filter_bubbles.html). My prediction is that we will get another Geohot'esque moment where someone hacks the phone to eliminate this restriction.

Overall, I would like to say that I'm not against artists being paid for their work, pro-piracy, or against (possibly) companies patenting technological developments. It's just that Apple (and many other successful companies) really get on my nerves whenever they announce a new development in the fight against piracy, rather than changing their outdated business models to fit a changing world. c.f. Techdirt.com for more (biased?) info on current copyright law.

massive post, sorry, but have been building up to it over the past year with all that's been going on.

*double post* sorry

Greg Tito:

Now, on the other hand, this tech could be used for good and not for evil, by allowing museums or other landmarks to blast infrared data to the iPhone so that you could get a description of the landscape or historical document you are seeing. Kind of like a digital tour guide without the dirty headset.

except this will never happen because museums make a lot of money with those dirty headsets.
as someone who rather frequently visits museums i get thoroughly annoyed when i have to pay to see an exhibit that was paid for with my taxes. Yes i know checking whether you live in the city and having you pay less would be a dick move and would hate every city i visit as a tourist but still.

Taking films of live events counts on an iPhone counts as piracy? That's just reta- ... wait. No. this will stop many of those idiots on youtube posting horrible quality recordings where you can only hear screams and wind with a blurry picture resembling a stage in the background shaking around a lot. Thanks for helping us get better quality recordings of live events apple.

edit: Reading thread, was beaten to it. But point tsill stands, this won't stop piracy, and it won't stop recordings, it'll easily be hacked and it will put customers off buying it. When will companies learn that the absolute worst way they could try to stop piracy is by trying to stop it

"shut itself off"

Not only keep the camera from functioning but SHUTTING THE DEVICE OFF... And some of the kiddies here were giving me shit when I said people are too willing to let these greedy companies have more control over property they paid full price for

Jobs is the new 90's Gates.

SuperNova221:
Taking films of live events counts on an iPhone counts as piracy? That's just reta- ... wait. No. this will stop many of those idiots on youtube posting horrible quality recordings where you can only hear screams and wind with a blurry picture resembling a stage in the background shaking around a lot. Thanks for helping us get better quality recordings of live events apple.

The funny part is that people who post clips and bootleg concerts don't use iPhones or cell phones to record them in the first place. They're only pissing off their paying customers.

Wait, they're punishing the paying customers without affecting what the unethical people do? Sounds like Apple took up Game Industry DRM policy!

double post

I don't really see a problem with this. It's not like YouTube isn't already going to take down the pirated video. Not to mention the videos received while recording are crap anyway so... there's less amount of low res video on youtube thanks to Apple? Sounds like a plan :).

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