Apple Patents Anti-Piracy Technology

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So apple patented a means to restrict their own device, meaning that Android phones CANNOT have this limitation. That's not the best iPhone sales pitch I've ever heard.

iPhone recordings are horrible phail to begin with. Anyone who really wants to record a live event properly will be using an actual camcorder, or whatever they're allowed to take into the event.

That's hella funny, because everyone whose tried doing that knows its hella hard and the picture and sound quality is crap. So its berely even worth it to try.

OT: How is that considered piracy?
OOT: Wouldn't that only work on Apple products?
OOOT: Why do bands care? When I'm looking for music on youtube I always just skip the songs that were recorded live by phones.

Im pretty sure recording the concert is ok, but publishing it or profiting from the recording is not.

lotr rocks 0:
I don't like this patent personally. I like to film the concerts I go to for my own uses and so I can go back and watch it again some other time. That's not illegal, or at least I don't think it is. I would be pissed if they prohibited us from doing that just because some people might try to pirate it.

A lot of bands support fan recordings. Wilco (who happens to be my favorite band) allows all their live shows to be posted online, and link to the database of them on their site. I still have a nearly three hour show from when they played in my hometown on my iPod. It's good quality sound, too.

I don't think they'll be too strict about this with concerts, but movie theaters really could and should benefit from this kind of technology.

I can't see that going wrong ever.

Especially not if someone got hold of one of these IR transmitters and started using it to brick iPhones.

Recording your awesome time at a concert doesn't seem very illegal to me. Maybe the audio recorder part of an iPhone at a concert but not the video recorder. But I'd be all for the automatic shutdown for people recording movies. That's not cool.

I don't buy into a lot of the people predicting "the government is Big Brother!" shit that goes around if they have to be held a little more accountable for their actions.

you know...i actually like this. it makes smartphones less appealing, and anyone pirating with a smartphone is an idiot anyway. this wont stop any real pirating, and will piss off the kiddies who live and breath apple's crap.

Well they have the patent, hopefully they aren't stupid enough to use it. Because it would almost immediately end the dominance of the iPhone since every other manufacturer would simply have to leave this option out to increase sales.

At least its patented so other companies won't be able to do this.

because they patented the idea doesnt necessarily mean it is going to be implemented.... Companies patent ideas all the time and never use them!

I would very much doubt we would see a system like this implemented, not anytime soon at least.

Yeah, then someone hacks the infrared sensor, rigs up their own broadcaster and makes every picture taken in a major metropolitan city get watermarked to some hardcore porn website.

And after this gets implemented, Apple will lunch iPhone+ which won't have those restrictions, will be basically iPhone 1 and will cost 200$ more.
Go go apple.

Oh boy, Apple fanboys are the best. Could never get enough of their QQ.

On the one hand, I hate going to any kind of concert and being unable to see the stage because a billion iPhones are being held up in front of me. Some bands do encourage their fans to record, which is awesome, but the quality on those things is so terrible that I can't understand why you'd want to watch it again. It's not going to remind you how good it was.

On the other hand, Apple's anti piracy measures can piss right off. I've been a loyal Apple customer for years but since they overtook Microsoft in value they've become just another faceless corporation turning out bland tech and trying to dictate what people can and can't do with their products.

It bears some thought: why is piracy the only crime that corporations are willing to fight? Why don't gun manufacturers come up with devices that prevent them from being used in banks or something?

So who actually looks for shitty live recordings on youtube? I had no idea this was an issue.

Oh boy more incentive to own an iPhone. Sign me up!

jk /pats HTC Desire

Bags159:
So who actually looks for shitty live recordings on youtube? I had no idea this was an issue.

also this

So this means a reduction in the number of shitty quality, shaky concert videos on YouTube? Consumer rights be damned, I'm behind this 100%.

And this is why I don't buy Apple products.

This is why I love my Galaxy. Apple can go fuck itself.

Actually, the last part sounds good.
Integrating it into something like a museum would be nice, putting a nice overlay on the screen if you point it at an exhibit, showing more information.

WOW! What an amazingly great idea! It's so perfect I couldn't possibly see any downsides. Make an app that ensures anyone doing anything close to recording a movie or a concert and they'll be blocked, even if it just SEEMS like they are doing it. It'll be so annoying! Then the people who are ACTUALLY using the iPhone to pirate will find a way to disable that aspect of the phone, making sure this feature is only troublesome for people it was never intended to stop. WONDERFUL!

It's like when schools decided after Columbine that the best way to keep gun-toting kids with pipebombs out of the school was to LOCK THE DOOR, because that would totally work.

This idea is offensive, and the people whose names appear on the patent should be shunned from further participation in the industry.

First off, the only bands that will be able to afford the tech will be the biggest ones -- in other words, the ones least affected by unsanctioned copying. Smaller bands, for whom unsanctioned copying represents a much larger fraction of their total available market, will be left as they were before.

But that's not what makes this offensive.

Disneyland will start installing these everywhere in the park. You won't be able to take a photograph anywhere, most especially near the most iconic attractions (like Sleeping Beauty's Castle). Instead, your camera will display a message reading, "CAPTURE INHIBIT: Please visit our gift shop for official Disney(TM) postcards, or visit one of our authorized photographers." Other theme parks will soon follow, with other major tourist attractions or iconic vistas not long after. And don't think that installations that the local government deems "sensitive" won't get them, either.

Really, really fscking offensive. I mean, really, you'd actually pay money for a camera with this defect?

Now Chinese police only has to blast crowds with infrared to keep them from recording atrocities! Thanks, Apple!

Well, of course few people in China have iPods, since they can't afford the kidney.

The_root_of_all_evil:
I can't see that going wrong ever.

Especially not if someone got hold of one of these IR transmitters and started using it to brick iPhones.

I actually have access to such an IR transmitter that I can plug into my laptop.
Volunteer sound tech.

OT: Keep buying into that real-life DRM guys. Maybe in the next 10-20 years we will finally make it so that the average citizen won't have any right to do *anything* without signing or agreeing to some EULA.

KingsGambit:
Wow! What amazing and revolutionary technology! I hope for Apple's sake no consumer realises that all they would have to do to bypass such a restriction is to not use an iPhone.

Don't be so ridiculous, Apple's marketing department is run by hypnotoad himself!

Sorry boys, but that won't fly. Otherwise, you can't re-live (or view for the first time) timeless moments in music like this...

That's right. I invoke Freddie Mercury as an argument for why this won't work. And back it up with the Neil Gaiman defense.

sooo what,s going to prevent people from jail breaking and removing this system all together?

Y'know, all they'd have to do is figure out how to shut off the infrared receiver.

I use Android, your opinion is irrelevent, Apple.

FUCK YEAH ANDROID

lotr rocks 0:

Baldr:

lotr rocks 0:
I don't like this patent personally. I like to film the concerts I go to for my own uses and so I can go back and watch it again some other time. That's not illegal, or at least I don't think it is. I would be pissed if they prohibited us from doing that just because some people might try to pirate it.

It is against US civil law to "record" copyrighted "performances", but it is up to the Artist/Copyright holders to enforce their own copyrights.

Well I'm not an american so phew :P does that apply to concerts though or is that for like re-recording movies/CD's (cue image of FBI warning on every VHS/DVD ever) how can a concert be copyrighted? And also why is it a big deal if I have no intent to use it for pirating or selling, but just for my own personal use (and of such bad quality that nobody would buy it even if I tried)

I've been to some concerts though where the security guy at the front gate checks me and sees I have a camera with me and they didn't care.

On the other hand I've also been to a Green Day concert where a security guy came to me in my seat and said that someone had reported me for filming and told me to stop or they would take my camera away... (...and the guy one row below me kept filming for the rest of the concert without being told a thing) Seriously who reports people for that? I don't think I was being invasive or disrupting to anyone ( I was in the seating portion of an arena, like an ampitheatre and was holding the camera close to me)

I had to call my lawyer friend for some clarification, it not so much the performance as the music and lyrics are copyrighted. It doesn't matter who preforms them, so if someone is video taping a 5-year-old singing Lady Gaga, that video is still infringement. It is all about monetary loss for the Artist/Copyright owner, so if your only using it for personal use, then chances are they don't even care because your infringement is not causing them to lose a bunch of money.
If your out there posting the concert to everybody on the web, then it may be causing them to lose money. If your posting a clip on a website, they may look at infringement as free advertisement, that why it is up to the Artist\Holder to enforce their copyrights.

I always tell people to get permission if you want to use other Intellectual Property, most of the time, the Artist/Holder don't even mind, and if they say no, then respect that.

The music industry is fairly relaxed when it comes to enforcement on Live Performances I've noticed.

Also I wanted to point out there is such thing as the Berne Convention. Meaning copyright laws are enforceable in almost every country, most of the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works

Uh, by patenting it, Apple are stopping other companies from employing the same technology on their own devices. That technology would only work in theory if it was applied to every single recording device, including the much more suitable ones that aren't iPhones. By the mere act of patenting it, they've killed it stone dead. What an efficient use of their money and resources. [/sarcasm]

The fail is strong with Apple these days huh?

DAMMIT WORLD!, 1984 Was not supposed to be an instruction manual!!

People actually record things with those horrible camera's? Wow...

Harlief:

KingsGambit:
Wow! What amazing and revolutionary technology! I hope for Apple's sake no consumer realises that all they would have to do to bypass such a restriction is to not use an iPhone.

Don't be so ridiculous, Apple's marketing department is run by hypnotoad himself!

We are all doomed. We should just submit and be done with it.

Anyone who endorses this is completely stupid. You simply should not allow a company to have control over your device after you have purchased it. I was due for an upgrade, and my buddy suggested an iPhone, and I said that I didn't want to financially endorse Apple for anything. He thought I was stupid.... but I guess I win. If you buy a device that does this, you are telling them it's ok to keep doing things like this. I don't know if that makes too much sense for the anti-piracy crowd, but that is just how it is.

Also, given a very short amount of time, this feature will be shut down by pirates anyway. So, it's completely pointless. And telling everyone how big of an asshole they plan on being doesn't really help their public image.

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