Apple Patents Anti-Piracy Technology

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Believe me when I say I am without any doubt 100% absolutely positively really really really really not being sarcastic when I say this: This. Can't. Go. Wrong. In. Any. Way.

Good thing I am not a "i" fan.

Apple have patented it, you say? Fantastic, that means my phone will never have this installed on it!

Yet another reason i am never buying any thing apple *I* enjoy useing what *I* pay for however *I* want to use it. maybe they need to stop calling their products *I*(Blank) and start calling it ourphone ourpod ourpad since it seems more and more like you are just paying to borrow it from them put what they want in it use it how they want you to. overpriced junk I would love to see apple fall apart when people get smart and see how they run their company they expect you to buy a minor upgrade to a device every year. ugh apple makes me mad

Uh... I think people are reading this wrong. This isn't Apple saying "We decide what you can/can't record" this is ARTISTS getting to say "You can/can't record us".

If an artist/filmmaker is totally cool with you recording them all they have to do is... absolutely nothing. The default option is everything works normally. It's only if the performer prefers you not to record that they set up the broadcast system that shuts down the iPhone.

It's an opt-in system whereby the performer gets to choose whether to enforce their copyright.

It's kind of dumb really. If the movie is *that good* I will go to the theater and pay to see it myself. If people aren't going to theaters anymore then that tells me there are other issues at hand like poor value (ticket price, concession stand prices), seating, atmosphere, sound quality etc. Also the quality of the movie should be taken into account here.

I'm all for a tiered pricing structure at the theaters. If the movie you're seeing isn't drawing as many customers it shouldn't be priced as much either.

edit: the same values go towards concerts.

Baldr:

lotr rocks 0:
I don't like this patent personally. I like to film the concerts I go to for my own uses and so I can go back and watch it again some other time. That's not illegal, or at least I don't think it is. I would be pissed if they prohibited us from doing that just because some people might try to pirate it.

It is against US civil law to "record" copyrighted "performances", but it is up to the Artist/Copyright holders to enforce their own copyrights.

I have met very few musicians that are against cell phone recordings. Like you said, it's up to the artist(s) to enforce it during the performance. Some of my favorites seem to enjoy the publicity. Everyone loves to capture the concert experience, put it in their pocket, and remember it later. I don't know any record label that has been hurt in any way due to someone recording on their cell phone. The quality of both the sound and video on a phone is just too low. I think this anti-piracy technology is a step too far.

It's one thing to attempt to control a piece of software, but they are essentially policing reality at this point.

Yay for Jail-breaking (which is totally legal and only in violation of the ToS and thus I am not supporting an illegal activity [see] [see]).

Seriously, this is why I don't like Apple. I get it piracy is bad, I know I don't support it, but restricting access to something I bought is insane, if I breach a law via its use then I do, I get fined/jailed .ect. I don't want my phone mistaking a picture of a friend for some random reason and then it putting a watermark on it because the technology fails.

The anti-piracy thing is stupid, nobody records a film on an iPhone, a cheaper camcorder does a better job, more stable too. Pirates may be thieves but they only steal stuff worth stealing.

Nurb:
"shut itself off"

Not only keep the camera from functioning but SHUTTING THE DEVICE OFF... And some of the kiddies here were giving me shit when I said people are too willing to let these greedy companies have more control over property they paid full price for

Jobs is the new 90's Gates.

SuperNova221:
Taking films of live events counts on an iPhone counts as piracy? That's just reta- ... wait. No. this will stop many of those idiots on youtube posting horrible quality recordings where you can only hear screams and wind with a blurry picture resembling a stage in the background shaking around a lot. Thanks for helping us get better quality recordings of live events apple.

The funny part is that people who post clips and bootleg concerts don't use iPhones or cell phones to record them in the first place. They're only pissing off their paying customers.

Wait, they're punishing the paying customers without affecting what the unethical people do? Sounds like Apple took up Game Industry DRM policy!

This ^

Scabadus:
Apple have patented it, you say? Fantastic, that means my phone will never have this installed on it!

^ This

Although only if I can't Jailbreak the heck out of it to disable it, I like the iOS interface.

If I am at a movie people need to have their phones off anyway because I didn't go to see Thor just to have half my vision blinded by the moron in front of me staring at his/her Facebook page. Not to mention if I did see someone recording the movie(it would have to be a blah scene for that to happen), I would be finding security. There is appreciating a movie, and then there is making it look like total crap on some bootleg file. That alone is a travesty.
On one hand, I got no problem with this. But on the other I think it is Apple shooting itself in the foot. The more active things they put on the iPhone to restrict its usage, the more people who will be switching to a Droid the next time around.

McCa:
Yay for Jail-breaking (which is totally legal and only in violation of the ToS and thus I am not supporting an illegal activity [see] [see]).

I just wouldn't have high expectations of Apple passing on any good features to your phone after that, as they have the right to deny you service if you break the ToS or if they just get an itch up their butt. But that's Apple and that's why I don't deal with them.

Seriously, this is why I don't like Apple. I get it piracy is bad, I know I don't support it, but restricting access to something I bought is insane, if I breach a law via its use then I do, I get fined/jailed .ect. I don't want my phone mistaking a picture of a friend for some random reason and then it putting a watermark on it because the technology fails.

If your friend looks like Justin Bieber, you are screwed.

samsonguy920:

McCa:
Yay for Jail-breaking (which is totally legal and only in violation of the ToS and thus I am not supporting an illegal activity [see] [see]).

I just wouldn't have high expectations of Apple passing on any good features to your phone after that, as they have the right to deny you service if you break the ToS or if they just get an itch up their butt. But that's Apple and that's why I don't deal with them.

Seriously, this is why I don't like Apple. I get it piracy is bad, I know I don't support it, but restricting access to something I bought is insane, if I breach a law via its use then I do, I get fined/jailed .ect. I don't want my phone mistaking a picture of a friend for some random reason and then it putting a watermark on it because the technology fails.

If your friend looks like Justin Bieber, you are screwed.

Oh yeah, if they make it impossible to do what I want it to do I simply wont buy it.

My main qualm with the watermarks is that low-end (i.e affordable) facial recognition software is awful, I mean half the time; modern cameras don't realise that my friends have faces. It's madness.

Jail-breaking happens with each version they release, I simply upgrade, re-break, restore my old Cydia apps via SSH and we are all fine and dandy. If they remove such features from all phones then they are insane and create a sub-par product in which case I'll get a 'droid.

So wait, we're defending the assholes holding up their phones when I'm trying to enjoy a concert or movie? Is that what we're doing?

I didn't know there was such a huge fanbase on The Escapist for blurry-as-fuck, overexposed, sound-imploded, 2-megapixel home videos.

For the people thinking you can just set up an IR device and ruin people's day on a normal basis, go out and try that for yourself. You'd be surprised to learn that not everyone owns an iPhone, and to learn that people who do don't spend their time running around trying to capture everything on video. Sure you could theoretically piss off someone trying to take a picture or two, but that's about it.

I'm not an Apple fanboy; far from it, in fact. But this is the sort of agreement you make when you purchase an Apple product, they can implement shit like this all they want. If you don't like it, stop giving them money. Believe it or not, there are other phones and mp3 players on the market. I don't know why we have to keep feeding Apple.

So....

Higher popularity for jail-breaking the iphone?? Apple, this is what you want?

Although

The same goes for music concerts, except that performers would have to start blasting infrared signals out into the audience for it to be effective. This I'm actually in favor of, because the amount of schmucks holding up an iPhone at concerts has got to be reduced somehow. What happened to actually enjoying the show? What's with all the freaking pictures, people?

Kind of agree with this

What about school concerts and stuff like that? Parents live for recording their children's performances.

Oh look! Another thing to add to my absurdly long list of reasons why I never buy Apple products.

Let's get a pool started. How long until this gets cracked and removed? My money's on within the first week.

Aaaaand I continue to be glad I don't buy Apple products.

So you mean someone actually watches movies pirated via phone cameras? Hah!

Good work Apple! Because when you buy unlicenced and pirated DVDs of concerts, they are clearly recorded on iPhones.

joeman098:
Yet another reason i am never buying any thing apple *I* enjoy useing what *I* pay for however *I* want to use it. maybe they need to stop calling their products *I*(Blank) and start calling it ourphone ourpod ourpad since it seems more and more like you are just paying to borrow it from them put what they want in it use it how they want you to. overpriced junk I would love to see apple fall apart when people get smart and see how they run their company they expect you to buy a minor upgrade to a device every year. ugh apple makes me mad

Apple was trying to trademark the word "pod;" perhaps they were trying to put a little tid-bit in the ToS where all consumers of Apple products now belong to a "pod"[1] and can at any point be abducted to be transformed into a Human CentiPad. Then entire pods of Human CentiPads can scurry along to hunt down more customers that they will force into accepting the Human CentiPad's strict Terms that nobody really reads because they just want to user their sweet phone for crying out loud (thereby agreeing to, at one point or another, conveniently drop a bar of soap while bathing), knock them out with a chloroform-soaked rag, and then deliver the unconscious customers to Steve Jobs' private laboratory situated atop a Transylvanian mountain peak to be converted into more Human CentiPads. Soon, the Human CentiPads would merge into one powerful device belonging only to Steve Jobs: The first true "i"Pod... HIS!!!
Spoiler for Apocalypse 2012!

Silly story (with a message!) aside, this is most definitely another instance of unwarranted control by an outside party on a product. The phone turning itself off is especially drastic, and I could see where many problems like bugs, hacker/troll exploitation, and subsequent consumer frustration could arise completely unrelated to actual pirating. Just look at the last issue with phones having a spot that messed with the devices if someone put their hand there (sorry if that's a little off on the specifics, I can't remember exactly what the details were). I believe that the biggest issue is with user rights to a product versus those claimed by the manufacturer, something nonexclusive to Apple as seen by the PS3 firmware debacle removing Linux. So ribbing aside, this really impacts us all because it furthers the confusion between our rights as consumers and what companies can legally claim to do with something most people simply assume is actually theirs.

While the idea of actually using a phone's recorded copy of a movie at the theater is, in it of itself, flawed on many levels (WTF IS GOING ON?!?), this overall anti-piracy tech apple is clamoring over just seems more absurd given the nature of cell phone video quality. It's really the same kind of "take it in the ---" attitude typical of Apple, and sure, the competition is far from perfect (faaaaaar), but at least we the consumers can choose our own lube with those other brands! :P

[1] Whales --> Pods, see how silly?

Lets see for movies.. I bring my $120 digital camera that has video abilities* and a 32 gb sd card it writes to, a table top tripod with adjustable legs**, and a bit of duct tape. sit in the back row of the theater and tape tripod to arm rest, zoom in and start recording. then start enjoying the movie and my girlfriend who carried it all in her giant catch all bag she calls a purse(read disclaimer below). or bring an ipod and hold it up for the whole movie and hope it has enough space on it to hold it all and my arm/hand doesnt fall asleep during. Hmmmmm well if i was a movie pirate i ceartainly would want my hands free to fondle the hot girl next to me and know i would have enough space to get the whole thing.

for concerts... who the hell records them so they can upload a pirated copy? people go to concerts for the experiance, they dont watch videos of concerts as a substitute. when someone records one it is for themselves and usualy has video of who they went to the concert with.

disclaimer:
I never did that for movies but i did do it for my ex-girlfriends daughters Christmass play at the local theater, Video turned out quite good.

I used:
* http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-SP-600UZ-Digital-Camera-Stabilized/dp/B0031RGEVI
** http://www.amazon.com/Slik-Table-Top-Tripod-2-75lbs-1-240g/dp/B003J8RHKG

I extended the front 2 legs about 2 inches longer than the back leg and taped them to the armrest. slight adjustment after and it was head high between my head and my girlfriends. wasnt noticeable from the side and took less than a minute to setup. tuesdays and wednsdays are the best days to cam in a theater though...

So, they store personal data without the user's knowledge, they charge a month's work for the iphone, they release a new one every year, and to top it all they won't let you film your favourite band's performance on the assumption that you are a pirate.
And yet there are millions of people around the world who would do anything to get their hands on one of their products. Including selling their organs...
@ Apple fans around the world;
What are you gonna do when you ran out of organs?

So their biggest 'piracy' issue is, bad recordings of live event? Umm... I think we have bigger issues than that... Just saying, also good way to go and piss your customers off.
This once again proves to me; "Why I do not buy Apple products". Honestly when you are Apple-free, the freedom and liberation you have is amazing, when you are not being tracked, unable to close you phone completely or getting fuck'd over shit like this. I love my cheap phone and self-build sale parts computer...

Time to stock up on all the technology that doesn't require this kind of... ehhh 'thing'
You know all the stuff that you can actually use without enfringing copyright or something.

Ahaha yeah that's hilarious. Hackers will break that thing within 1 hour of its release so it's kind of pointless.

Scabadus:
Apple have patented it, you say? Fantastic, that means my phone will never have this installed on it!

Yeah, I think Apple should patent more DRM technology and use it exclusively on their devices. It's a great idea! They could patent the idea of DRM entirely and make it Apple exclusive!

Go Apple!

So, they are going to have an Anti Piracy system based on an IR receiver on the iPhone.

Erm, are they seriously proposing an anti piracy system that can be defeated with blu-tack?

Wait apple has something against me taking a picture of a concert?

Korskarn:
Uh... I think people are reading this wrong. This isn't Apple saying "We decide what you can/can't record" this is ARTISTS getting to say "You can/can't record us".

If an artist/filmmaker is totally cool with you recording them all they have to do is... absolutely nothing. The default option is everything works normally. It's only if the performer prefers you not to record that they set up the broadcast system that shuts down the iPhone.

It's an opt-in system whereby the performer gets to choose whether to enforce their copyright.

Aaaaand look at all the people who ignored this post because it didn't fit with the complaints they felt like making. Shameful, people.

Oh, Apple.... You TRY so hard to be evil. Instead, you just look fucking stupid.

Betting 2 weeks max before somebody gets an IR emitter in a crowded mall that permanently defaces all images and videos on everybody's phones with a 100% opacity, 100% size watermark of goatse.

3 weeks until somebody does the same with child porn and then causes the phone to anonymously tip the police about it with the owners gps data.

I guess they learned nothing from Sony.

Hey hey HEY! Guess who wont be buying an iPhone?

this just in apple patents the death of the iphone.

Apple knows its not going to die thanks to the millions of ten that will blindly buy anything they put out.

Again this will work 100% And it will only harm the fools that are technologically impaired, So from what im seeing this will be Win Win, not for people with iphones.

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