E3: Nintendo's New Console Is: The Wii U

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Eighth 1:

dragongit:
... But its just a wii, with new graphics and an Ipad to play with.Its like Nintendo really isn't trying anymore...

When has Nintendo tried hard?

ye "its just a Wii"

"a Wii" with a processor and graphics chipset that are directly comparable upgrades to the xbox 360s only at least 5 years ahead in terms of their technology.

"a Wii" which in all probability will have excellent build quality

"a Wii" that apparently has almost full 3rd party support.

"a Wii" which is going to have a full online service detailed by the end of the week.

"a Wii" which supports USB and USB hard drives

"a Wii" which will be price comparable to the existing consoles.

absolutely no reason why this should interest you. none.

after all, why would a discerning "gamer" be interested in what will technically be the best console on the market ? . . .

you just keep playing those other two lesser consoles the manufacturers have no intention of replacing for roughly another 5 years...

wait what?
I really hope they are going to prevent shovel ware this time around.

Wii U does seem like a terrible name now, but I remember when the Wii's name was announced and stopped being referred to as the the Revolution. A lot of people thought "Wii" was terrible too, but it turned out not to be a big deal.

The controller sounds like a truly useless application of tech. Why would I want to stop looking at my tv to manage my inventory in Zelda while Ganon lobs more energy blasts my way?

o great nintendo makes a new Wii and what is it called WiiU realy?
time for jokes
we Wii on U
hahaha
the thing is pointless it isn't even a next gen just a add on and here i was thinking nintendo had changed all well

i think nintendo is starting to catch on that they can do ANYTHING and it will sell, because they're nintendo.
it's like apple and sticking "i" before stuff, it'll sell!

mikozero:

after all, why would a discerning "gamer" be interested in what will technically be the best console on the market ? . . .

you just keep playing those other two lesser consoles the manufacturers have no intention of replacing for roughly another 5 years...

Because they've just used the technology to remake WiiSports and another Zelda game?

That trailer really blew me away with the graphics for Othello.

My 'discerning' gamer was tricked once with the Wii which is working as an excellent dust collector at the moment. I don't want to play hilarious mini games with badly rendered caricatures of people. Show me something like Skyrim with innovative uses of the controls and I might be a little interested.

MirrorForTheSun:
I defy anyone to come up with a way to comfortably play games on that monstrosity. This thing is patently ridiculous.

You're defying an entire industry. Do a little research. They all say it's comfortable.

I love how you determine ergonomics by a photo.

rossatdi:

mikozero:

after all, why would a discerning "gamer" be interested in what will technically be the best console on the market ? . . .

you just keep playing those other two lesser consoles the manufacturers have no intention of replacing for roughly another 5 years...

Because they've just used the technology to remake WiiSports and another Zelda game?

That trailer really blew me away with the graphics for Othello.

My 'discerning' gamer was tricked once with the Wii which is working as an excellent dust collector at the moment. I don't want to play hilarious mini games with badly rendered caricatures of people. Show me something like Skyrim with innovative uses of the controls and I might be a little interested.

Smash Brothers, Battlefield 3, Batman: Arkham City, Assassin's Creed: Revelations, Ghost Recon Online, Darksiders II, Dirt, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Metro: Last Light, Tekken, Ninja Gaiden 3: Razer's Edge, Metro: Last Light, FIFA 12, Madden 12, Driver, Lego City Stories have all been confirmed.

EA Sports, Vicarious Visions, THQ, Ubisoft, Warner Bros, 5th Cell, Namco Bandai, Irrational Games, Disney, and EA Games are all onboard.

in addition:

Geoff really does know how to get the most out of his interviewees, as he's got EA to talk about Mass Effect and the Wii U. When asked about whether EA would be bringing Mass Effect 3 to Wii U, it was met with smirks and smiles, whilst Frank Gibeau, President, EA Games Label said, "we will announce that when the time's right.

most of these were in the same presentation as Othello...

have a little more:

mikozero:
here are some specs :

Launches: 2012

Size: Approximately 1.8 inches tall, 6.8 inches wide and 10.5 inches long.

New Controller: The new controller incorporates a 6.2-inch, 16:9 touch screen and traditional button controls, including two analog Circle Pads. This combination removes the traditional barriers between games, players and the TV by creating a second window into the video game world. The rechargeable controller includes a Power button, Home button, +Control Pad, A/B/X/Y buttons, L/R buttons and ZL/ZR buttons. It includes a built-in accelerometer and gyroscope, rumble feature, camera, a microphone, stereo speakers, a sensor strip and a stylus.

Other Controls: Up to four Wii Remote™ (or Wii Remote Plus) controllers can be connected at once. The new console supports all Wii™ controllers and input devices, including the Nunchuk™ controller, Classic Controller™, Classic Controller Pro™ and Wii Balance Board™.

Media: A single self-loading media bay will play 12-centimeter proprietary high-density optical discs for the new console, as well as 12-centimeter Wii optical discs.

Video Output: Supports 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i. Compatible cables include HDMI, component, S-video and composite.

Audio Output: Uses AV Multi Out connector. Six-channel PCM linear output through HDMI.

Storage: The console will have internal flash memory, as well as the option to expand its memory using either an SD memory card or an external USB hard disk drive.

CPU: IBM Power®-based multi-core microprocessor.

Other: Four USB 2.0 connector slots are included. The new console is backward compatible with Wii games and Wii accessories.

(Taken from the Nintendo E3 2011 Press Release)

Games announced: Smash Brothers, Battlefield 3, Batman: Arkham City, Assassin's Creed, Ghost Recon Online, Darksiders II, Dirt, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Metro: Last Light, Tekken, Ninja Gaiden 3, FIFA 12, Madden 12, Driver, Lego City Stories

Other facts: (GTTV interview with Reggie, thanks to hiero and others)

The price point of the system will be competitive to the current prices of the PS3, 360 in terms of value
The games shown for Wii U at the show were actually PS3 and 360 versions but the Wii U will look the same or better
No BluRay Support
Controller's screen is single-touch
Backwards compatible with the Wii's Games, but no upscaling is done
Nintendo Online system to be announced by the end of the week

Pictures:

Console + controller: http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/files/2011/06/new-nintendo-wii-e3.png

Console: http://i.imgur.com/eaN3V.jpg

Controller: http://i.imgur.com/2Ski1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sf7fp.jpg

Video:

E3 Tech Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF4rInTqOLI (Stream quality)

Controller trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e3qaPg_keg

source: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/htwfy/new_nintendo_console_wii_u_fact_sheet/

i did some lookin at the "IBM Power®-based multi-core microprocessors" the best ones atm do 264.96 GFLOPS per chip (compared to 96.0 GFLOPS on the 360s Xenon) with speeds going up to around 5GHz in the last two generations compared with 3.2 GHz in the 360.

that's not to say that the console will contain anything like that that's just the point "IBM Power®-based multi-core microprocessors" are at using 2007-2010 versions

this is the console (which streams to the remote as well as using the TV. ie the Remote is not a stand alone device like a tablet PC or iPad) :

image

more internal details :

CPU is custom IBM PowerPC with three cores, GPU should be an ATI from the R700 family, with a shader unit at version 4.1. RAM should be at least 512 MB

source: http://www.develop-online.net/news/37510/Wii-2-Fresh-rumours-emerge-on-Project-Cafe
(most of the rumors in this report now confirmed so it's fairly safe to accept the few that aren't)

an xbox 360 uses an ATI R500 with a 3.0 shader unit and 512 MB RAM. the only thing that is not nailed down thus far is the processor speed and its highly unlikely its not going to be more powerful than an xbox 360 given its specs were finalized in 2003 and the advances in IBM Power chip speeds since then.

in short there is likley to be nothing, repeat nothing, this console will not run with substantially better performance than an xbox 360.

Wakikifudge:
This honestly feels like they are just catching up to Sony and Mircrosft as far as HD systems goes....
In 3 or 4 years when Sony and Microsoft release their new systems, the WiiU (terrible name) is going to seem obsolete.

Funny, that's what they said about the 360 and it's now the most consistently performing system on the market (when it doesn't brick).

mad825:
Oh, how original!

seriously, this marketing campaign is get far more pretentious than Apple's and that's saying something.

A controller than also functions as a console. With motion controls.
Dude, that IS original. How can a design be pretentious?

ryo02:
im all for this but the controller needs a redesign its too flat and wide that will not be comfortable.

That's what they said about Kate Moss.

I honestly can't wait until this comes out, I'm getting one if I can afford it. BTW, to those who have been wondering, there IS a new console coming for it, it's not just another peripheral for the Wii, and the controller is not a stand-alone item. You can guarantee that if Nintendo had built the graphical capability to compete with the PS3 and 360 into the Wii they would have used it, and they likely would have gotten a considerable amount of third-party support for more AAA titles.

On that note, I want to comment on one thing I really respect Nintendo for, and something that was greatly evident at this year's E3: Of the three major console-producing companies, Nintendo is the only one that has actually bothered to successfully innovate gameplay since the previous console generation. In the previous generation, Microsoft was the one pulling innovation forward with Xbox LIVE making online multiplayer and digital distribution available to the console-playing masses. This generation, it's been all Nintendo, and it looks like they're making a big push to hold on to that innovation crown. They've been the only ones this generation to change the way we play games. The WiiMote is the first capably functional motion controller that actually functions like it's supposed to (most of the time), and just look at what the DS has done: portable touch screen gaming AND the ability to display information on two screens and make them interact in a game. Further, call 3-D a "gimmick" if you want, but Nintendo is the first to pull off that technical feat without glasses, and on a portable device. While Kinect is a moderately-successful attempt to catch up to Nintendo, and Move is the blatant WiiMote copy it looks like. If you look at the "upgrades" Sony and Microsoft made to the PS3 and 360 from their predecessors, exactly what do you get for GAMING? A graphical upgrade, maybe a more easily accessible online store, and in Sony's case, a more limited motion-control than Nintendo that many games (maybe even the majority) don't even use. But the biggest thing to note is the graphical upgrade, which honestly frustrates me the most as well. "Hardcore" gamers got all wow-ed by the spiffy HD graphics, and Microsoft and Sony could easily peddle higher resolutions and better shaders as "innovation". Making things prettier without changing the way I interact with the medium is not my idea of innovation. I can make a baseball bat all sorts of cool colors and shades, but if it doesn't change the way I swing the bat or the distance the ball moves, is it really innovating the design? No way, I say.

Since launch, too, look at what Microsoft and Sony have offered us. I would say the one actual gameplay innovation since then has been the added-on ability to install games from the game disk onto the hard drive of the 360, cutting heat and load times. After that, it's been Microsoft and Sony acting like the electronics giants they are, trying to pass their consoles off as entertainment centers instead of gaming consoles, with their DVD/Bluray players, Facebook/Last.fm connectivity, Netflix, ESPN, Hulu, and so on. Nintendo is not totally innocent of that either: they've added a bunch of non-gaming crud to the Wii and DS as well. But at least they still seem to be trying to push the limits with games and change the way we look at and think about gaming past graphical power that mostly goes into adding more wood grain to crates and making gun barrels and sword blades more shiny. And in the end, Nintendo came away the victor in the larger public eye, yet punished in the ever-insular "hardcore" community for their innovation with terrible third-party support and abandonment. I don't know about you, but I think there is a place for real innovation in gaming yet, as well as the traditional way we play. So I can understand how some may not want to play in the new ways offered, but we should at least have respect for what Nintendo is trying to do, because if they weren't around doing what they do, gaming would eventually hit a big wall that Master Chief, Markus Fenix and Kratos just wouldn't be able to break through.

Wii U sounds like someone going headfirst down a water slide.

Eternal_Lament:

I forgot:

Mr.Mattress:

That did it for me! If this console is gonna be 200-300 dollars at launch, with Super Smash Bros WiiU as a launch title, then you can bet your sweet bippy that I will buy this ASAP!

That would be sick. Now if those controllers are only 40$ I'm totally sold on this. Sony and Microsoft really have to do something to change my mind on the WiiU (and copying it isn't going to cut it).

I can assure you that if Nintendo sells these controllers at $40 each then either a) they will lose money 'snap' just like that, or b) they'll be making a profit on controller sales, meaning that the controllers are actually pretty sketchy and probably no-where near as functional as they show it to be.

These controllers are basically tablets: this isn't an insult or saying its worthless (well, technically worthless to me since I'm not planning on getting this), its a simple fact based on the tech on display. If Nintendo doesn't sell these controllers at $200-300, they'd be losing money with each controller sale, because that's how much a tablet like this would cost to make. As I said before, chances are the console will cost between $400-600 (combine price of current day gaming tech [$200-300] with one controller [$200-300]), and assuming you wish to buy 3 more controllers (based on what Nintendo has shown, this console is definitely aimed at people who live with or frequently meet with other people, which would warrent more controllers) this can easily be a $1000-1500 investment. Not to say that you will need to save up a grand for WiiU's release, but chances are you may need to if you want to get the full effect of what Nintendo is advertising.

Why won't any of the complainers on this thread spend 120 seconds to look things up before they start bitching?

Gaming journos have tested and reviewed the controller. They've interacted with the console and spoken to the developers. The system will support up to 4 wii remotes in addition to the tablet and most of the multiplayer games shouldn't require more than 1 tablet. The system will cost about as much as the PS3 and 360 cost now.

All of these longwinded statements are of no value if you don't understand what you're talking about. You took the time to compose a large paragraph; why not take a few more seconds to look into what you're discussing?

mikozero:
*Snipped for ease of reading*

Update on the CPU+GPU front.

IBM have released a press statement and told engadget thats the CPU is POWER7 based.
AMD's recent press release makes it seem that the GPU is a custom 5xxx series card due to the mentions of eyefinity etc

Zombie Izzard:
Silly name aside a couple of questions. One what is a gyroscope? Two is the right analog stick above the buttons? Why? Every other cotroller out their the right analog stick (or circle pad in this case) is below. Thats just weird. Three the cost for the controller alone must be insane. Other then that it does look like it would be any good for those all night gaming sessions for the small fact of the odd shape. Though its an intresting concept. Maybe not one I'd pay money for but intresting none the less. Though Hey Nintendo how about you come out with a normal looking controller next time.

Silly fanboy, this is a gyroscope.

And yes, I liked them more when they were punker.

MajWound:
It LOOKS interesting, but Jesus Christ it looks expensive.

I love your dot matrix Dude! Where'd you get 'im?

Why can't they just make the Game-Sphere?

TheGuy(wantstobe):

mikozero:
*Snipped for ease of reading*

Update on the CPU+GPU front.

IBM have released a press statement and told engadget thats the CPU is POWER7 based.
AMD's recent press release makes it seem that the GPU is a custom 5xxx series card due to the mentions of eyefinity etc

:O interesting...in that case its perhaps even more powerful than i suspected.

i was expecting maybe a something closer to POWER6 and the 5xxx series cards are step above the R700 series units reported in the rumor post which equate with the HD48** series PC cards.

his thing is going to be a beast compared to the competition.

mikozero:

TheGuy(wantstobe):

mikozero:
*Snipped for ease of reading*

Update on the CPU+GPU front.

IBM have released a press statement and told engadget thats the CPU is POWER7 based.
AMD's recent press release makes it seem that the GPU is a custom 5xxx series card due to the mentions of eyefinity etc

:O interesting...in that case its even more powerful than i suspected.

i was expecting maybe a something closer to POWER6 and the 5xxx series cards are step above the R700 series units reported in the rumor post which equate with the HD48** series PC cards.

this thing is going to be a beast compared to the competition.

Yep. And Iwata has recently stated in Nikkei that the price will likely be just above 20,000Y ($250). Nintendo seem to be going balls to the wall on this console.

TheGuy(wantstobe):

mikozero:

TheGuy(wantstobe):

Update on the CPU+GPU front.

IBM have released a press statement and told engadget thats the CPU is POWER7 based.
AMD's recent press release makes it seem that the GPU is a custom 5xxx series card due to the mentions of eyefinity etc

:O interesting...in that case its even more powerful than i suspected.

i was expecting maybe a something closer to POWER6 and the 5xxx series cards are step above the R700 series units reported in the rumor post wh.ich equate with the HD48** series PC cards.

this thing is going to be a beast compared to the competition

Yep. And Iwata has recently stated in Nikkei that the price will likely be just above 20,000Y ($250). Nintendo seem to be going balls to the wall on this console.

now's the time.

they have caught MS and sony napping with no competitor planned for 4-5 years and trying instead to follow their lead into the Wii market with their existing consoles (Microsoft especially who's entire console business plan for the next few years is built around selling kinetics along with 360s).

with this move they can possibly lead the market for up to half a decade then wait for sony and MS to make their move and come late to market with a true 8th gen console at their leisure.

they are gonna sell a shitload of these both to the Wii market and gamers...

mikozero:
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Smash Brothers, Battlefield 3, Batman: Arkham City, Assassin's Creed: Revelations, Ghost Recon Online, Darksiders II, Dirt, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Metro: Last Light, Tekken, Ninja Gaiden 3: Razer's Edge, Metro: Last Light, FIFA 12, Madden 12, Driver, Lego City Stories have all been confirmed.

EA Sports, Vicarious Visions, THQ, Ubisoft, Warner Bros, 5th Cell, Namco Bandai, Irrational Games, Disney, and EA Games are all onboard.

Other than Smash Brothers I'm not seeing anything I either recognise or isn't coming out on 360/PS3.

But no, you're right, I'm sure Assassins Creed's gameplay will be significantly improved by a giant rectangular controller with a mini-map on it. And I could see the advantage of including it in Mass Effect 3 so instead of pausing the action to use the power wheel you can pause the action to use the power wheel displayed on the touch screen.

The one thing I could see it being quite good for is closing the usability gap for RTSs on consoles.

those are launch titles rossatdi and launch titles never usually reflect the full capabilities of a new console. you'd do well to put aside any issues you have with the controller (you can always buy and use a "normal" Nintendo gamepad for $20 y'know. if i was buying one i would buy one along with the console) and have a far closer look at the console itself.

its looking really nice and the only down side i can see atm is if they stupidly choose an under powered processor.

Aerograt:

The.Bard:
I'll have a tiny grease-covered touch screen to look at!

...I'm sure...

Sooooooo.... while I'm playing my game, I just drop the controller, snag the stylus, go to town, then drop the stylus, pick the controller back up, and keep on trucking? Holy overweight plumbers, Batman, that sounds terrible!

mikozero:
those are launch titles rossatdi and launch titles never usually reflect the full capabilities of a new console. you'd do well to put aside any issues you have with the controller (you can always buy and use a "normal" Nintendo gamepad for $20 y'know. if i was buying one i would buy one along with the console) and have a far closer look at the console itself.

its looking really nice and the only down side i can see atm is if they stupidly choose an under powered processor.

I remember the classic controller, I bought one to play some of the downloadable games on, my god that was awful. So awful that they redesigned it a couple of years ago.

The 'power' of a console doesn't bother me, its what they do with it. The launch just demonstrated that the intend to do the same gimmicky rubbish that the wii got filled with.

Launch titles are at least supposed to get you excited.

The.Bard:

Aerograt:

The.Bard:
I'll have a tiny grease-covered touch screen to look at!

...I'm sure...

Sooooooo.... while I'm playing my game, I just drop the controller, snag the stylus, go to town, then drop the stylus, pick the controller back up, and keep on trucking? Holy overweight plumbers, Batman, that sounds terrible!

Or use your nose, that could work...

i dont think nintendo gets it. they used to say its all about gameplay and now they're like "its all about how many different things the controller can do!" unless theres a conference i didnt hear, nintendo spent the entire time talking about their controller and almost no time talking about the actual system. once again they seem to care more about their shitty controller, than games. this is the wii all over again. nintendo has an uphill battle if they want me back as a customer, and so far they aint doing so well

mik1:
I'm a little confused is the console itself the controller that hooks up to the curent Wii1

NO. This is a BRAND NEW CONSOLE which by all reports has significantly more power than even the PS3. The original Wii could not in a million jillion years play a title like Arkham City.

The controller was the major selling point because it was the most significant change in their presentation, but EVERY new console had a new controller design of some kind at launch.

mikozero:

Eighth 1:

dragongit:
... But its just a wii, with new graphics and an Ipad to play with.Its like Nintendo really isn't trying anymore...

When has Nintendo tried hard?

ye "its just a Wii"

"a Wii" with a processor and graphics chipset that are directly comparable upgrades to the xbox 360s only at least 5 years ahead in terms of their technology.

"a Wii" which in all probability will have excellent build quality

"a Wii" that apparently has almost full 3rd party support.

"a Wii" which is going to have a full online service detailed by the end of the week.

"a Wii" which supports USB and USB hard drives

"a Wii" which will be price comparable to the existing consoles.

absolutely no reason why this should interest you. none.

after all, why would a discerning "gamer" be interested in what will technically be the best console on the market ? . . .

you just keep playing those other two lesser consoles the manufacturers have no intention of replacing for roughly another 5 years...

The very last thing we need is a few jerk offs starting another fucking console war, because that really makes the industry look good, doesn't it? A bunch of adults fighting over which one is best?

So is no one else concerned over the fact all of the tech demos used only ONE of these gee-whiz controllers, while the other users used Wii-motes? When the Wii was first demoed, they had all sorts of people playing with more than one Wii-mote.

So can the system not stream to multiple units? That is kind of an important detail, more so to me than the specs. If the selling point again is the controller, you would think they would want you all over that, and not just using Wii-motes as well. So a family would all have to share one controller? Passing it around doesn't sound very fun at all, nor does sitting there with a Wii-mote while someone is playing with a data pad.

Which then makes me wonder once more over cost of the controller unit. Because it is only streaming what it receives from the system, the internal components need not carry much internal processing power (save for what makes the buttons and features work), but it is still a relatively sizable color touch screen. To me that controller looks $100 alone. I certainly hope I am wrong.

One last thought:

Since the game can also be played on the screen itself while the TV is used for a movie or well TV (a cool idea really), does that mean the use of the screen while playing games on the TV won't require/need the use of the controllers screen?

The reason is the game would have to allow for use on just the controller screen, or the controller screen and the TV. That to me spells three irks:

#1 - The screen won't be as much of a focus as it should be.

#2 - And in the games it is you won't be able to really use it without the TV on due to the need of using it while playing.

#3 - I should not have to "let go" the do something, only to hold on again to get back to the game. The thing that hurt the DS for me was when I was using the d-pad and buttons, and then (for no reason) use the touch pad, it really took me out of the game and what I was doing for something that seems a tack on feature.

EDIT : Changed the line from "..while the TV is in use..." to "...while the TV is used for a movie or well TV..."

funguy2121:

Silly fanboy, this is a gyroscope.

And yes, I liked them more when they were punker.

How does that make me a fanboy?

Zombie Izzard:

funguy2121:

Silly fanboy, this is a gyroscope.

And yes, I liked them more when they were punker.

How does that make me a fanboy?

Oh God, what you said makes you a fanboy. "I just like normal controllers. This is different and so I fear it." (paraphrased :P)

It's already been pointed out on this thread and others: consoles are reaching a plateau in terms of graphic finesse and processing power. Hell, even the Wii has a small handful of gorgeous games, and it's roughly as powerful as the original XBox. None of the next three consoles will represent a graphical leap forward, so to stand out they'll have to do something different with the available tech and better court the 3rd parties. Nintendo is doing this, though they have expressed that the purpose of the system is to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. If you'd looked into the new system, you'd know that numerous major AAA developers have already signed on and that the system will be compatible with all of the Wii peripherals, including the classic controller pro.

believer258:

mikozero:

Eighth 1:

When has Nintendo tried hard?

ye "its just a Wii"

"a Wii" with a processor and graphics chipset that are directly comparable upgrades to the xbox 360s only at least 5 years ahead in terms of their technology.

"a Wii" which in all probability will have excellent build quality

"a Wii" that apparently has almost full 3rd party support.

"a Wii" which is going to have a full online service detailed by the end of the week.

"a Wii" which supports USB and USB hard drives

"a Wii" which will be price comparable to the existing consoles.

absolutely no reason why this should interest you. none.

after all, why would a discerning "gamer" be interested in what will technically be the best console on the market ? . . .

you just keep playing those other two lesser consoles the manufacturers have no intention of replacing for roughly another 5 years...

The very last thing we need is a few jerk offs starting another fucking console war, because that really makes the industry look good, doesn't it? A bunch of adults fighting over which one is best?

it's hardly a console war when one machine is 5-7 years younger than the other two and simply far and away a better machine.

there was no "console war" between the PS1 and the Xbox.

that said these machines will exist concurrently for while but no informed "gamer" should be ignorant as to which of the 3 simply is the superior technology for that would be dumb.

realism is the issue and fanboyism be damned.

mikozero:

believer258:

mikozero:
ye "its just a Wii"

"a Wii" with a processor and graphics chipset that are directly comparable upgrades to the xbox 360s only at least 5 years ahead in terms of their technology.

"a Wii" which in all probability will have excellent build quality

"a Wii" that apparently has almost full 3rd party support.

"a Wii" which is going to have a full online service detailed by the end of the week.

"a Wii" which supports USB and USB hard drives

"a Wii" which will be price comparable to the existing consoles.

absolutely no reason why this should interest you. none.

after all, why would a discerning "gamer" be interested in what will technically be the best console on the market ? . . .

you just keep playing those other two lesser consoles the manufacturers have no intention of replacing for roughly another 5 years...

The very last thing we need is a few jerk offs starting another fucking console war, because that really makes the industry look good, doesn't it? A bunch of adults fighting over which one is best?

it's hardly a console war when one machine is 5-7 years younger than the other two and simply far and away a better machine.

there was no "console war" between the PS1 and the Xbox.

that said these machines will exist concurrently for while but no informed "gamer" should be ignorant as to which of the 3 simply is the superior technology for that would be dumb.

Alright. So you're saying that this new Wii will be part of the next generation of game consoles and thus cannot be compared to this generations? Fine. When Sony and M$'s consoles come out after the WiiU, chances are they'll be several orders of magnitude more powerful than Nintendo's new console, and Nintendo will be in the same boat as before.

If you judge which console is better by its power, then you should just get a PC. Because PC's have been more powerful than consoles for a long time, and will continue to be. Otherwise? Shut the fuck up and enjoy all the great fucking videogames that are coming out instead of talking about "superior technology" like it makes you better.

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