Lulzsec Hacks Bethesda

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Anon does shit for the lulz too. But most of the time it's worth something.

I'm just hoping they get bored before attacking other good producers.

I wish they'd just go off and die somewhere... This is getting rather annoying. It's just a matter of time before they're tracked down, I just wish the authorities would hurry up about it.

You people are ridiculous. Did you read the response from Bethesda? It amounted to "Oh, we hadn't noticed that vulnerability in our security, we're going to fix that now." Lulzsec didn't break anything, they didn't steal anything, they didn't even bring down the servers, they brought a vulnerability to light that very may well have been exploited at a different time by malicious hackers who want your CC data so they can steal your money. But Oh! Lulzsec Should be Lynched and burnt at the stake and disembowled and such for.....for....because!

[Sighs]

I think the obvious point is being missed here. Brink is a game that by all accounts is a second rate rip off of "Team Fortress". Like almost every other attempt to do something that isn't an RPG, Bethesda has basically produced a second rate product. I think what the Lulzboat is doing is nuking "Brink" as a way of saying "let this die, and invest the effort in what your really good at.

See, by giving back the information that they took from all of Bethesda's other products everyone knows what they got, and information protection services can go to work. With Brink it's a little more difficult because it's unknown how much they walked away with, and if they still have their fingers in it.

If people stop playing Brink and the product dies, with Bethesda pulling out the support, that's more effort that can go into their other projects. Supporting something like Brink probably involving a lot of time, effort, and resources on their part (though I could be wrong about that).

At least that's what they seem to be saying, it's not *just* "we hacked you because we liked you, now tighten up your security" there is actually a point being made here.

Truthfully I'm hardly the only Fallout/Elder Scrolls fan who hasn't wanted to give Bethesda a kick in the keister and get them to keep focusing on the games that I actually want to play, even when it comes to Elder Scrolls spin offs and so on, they have a really bad tendency of producing a sub-standard product outside of their core "sandbox RPG" format.

ehhhhh... I'm starting to wonder when they are gonna try to hack Valve. I just hope Gabe is aware of what's going on and hunkering down.

I think Bethesda has a good enough sense of humor to put a top hat somewhere in one of their games because of this.

After reading the press release, it looks like a VOIP vulnerability. Another reason why VOIP phones suck and you should never get one.

Low Key:
I think Bethesda has a good enough sense of humor to put a top hat somewhere in one of their games because of this.

They should put it in the heart of some extremely hard to break into facility, and then give it some silly effect.

Shale_Dirk:

lovest harding:

If they want to enhance security so much and are willing to hack for free, why the hell not just inform Bethesda upfront and simply not take anything instead of turning this into we're going to hack and take stuff for the lulz, then return what was taken saying that they like the company?
I fail to see how this is the best way to inform a company of it's website security issues.

I call bullshit on them just wanting to help their security anyway.
Look at their track record and tell me, honestly, that all they want to do is help companies they like.

People regularly tell companies that their security is lacking. Most companies choose to brush off such comments as fear-mongering or bs.

I'm starting to realize that all of these operations are actually for the overall betterment of the internet. People are starting to pay attention to security, instead of simply assuming that their personal information is completely safe in the hands of a company. Companies are starting to actually listen when people tell them that they are not as invincible as they claim that they are. While I don't agree with them releasing the information that they've managed to get from these sites, overall they are doing something that will hopefully make the internet safer overall. Because they are posting the methods they use to gain access to each of the sites, you better believe that security techs are trying to update their sites ASAP to prevent such breaches from affecting them as well.

I have to disagree that companies would act like that in the current environment (but that's just differing opinions) and unless I see specific evidence of a company after the PSN attack literally ignoring a threat like that I'm inclined to believe that the companies wouldn't just chalk it up as nonsense.

You're giving them more credit then they deserve. They didn't go out searching to fix security issues. Their names and what they've come to claim about themselves (they do it for the lulz). They hack places and then when they hack some place they 'like' they backtrack and say they did it for some noble reason (and then say, in Bethesda's case, that they'll give all the info back because they don't want to mess with the Skyrim development, which if they honestly cared about they shouldn't have touched Bethesda to begin with).

There may be a positive from what's been happening (tighter security), but I would never in a million years give these people the credit. It may spawn from their actions, but they aren't creating the changes, they're creating the environment that calls for a reaction. And we've seen what's happened in a similar situation with game pirates (horrible DRM that only hurts honest customers).

Therumancer:
[Sighs]

I think the obvious point is being missed here. Brink is a game that by all accounts is a second rate rip off of "Team Fortress". Like almost every other attempt to do something that isn't an RPG, Bethesda has basically produced a second rate product. I think what the Lulzboat is doing is nuking "Brink" as a way of saying "let this die, and invest the effort in what your really good at.

See, by giving back the information that they took from all of Bethesda's other products everyone knows what they got, and information protection services can go to work. With Brink it's a little more difficult because it's unknown how much they walked away with, and if they still have their fingers in it.

If people stop playing Brink and the product dies, with Bethesda pulling out the support, that's more effort that can go into their other projects. Supporting something like Brink probably involving a lot of time, effort, and resources on their part (though I could be wrong about that).

At least that's what they seem to be saying, it's not *just* "we hacked you because we liked you, now tighten up your security" there is actually a point being made here.

Truthfully I'm hardly the only Fallout/Elder Scrolls fan who hasn't wanted to give Bethesda a kick in the keister and get them to keep focusing on the games that I actually want to play, even when it comes to Elder Scrolls spin offs and so on, they have a really bad tendency of producing a sub-standard product outside of their core "sandbox RPG" format.

So if I go in to a store and decide that that store is selling things I don't think they should I can steal that item (or how about the human resource files, so I have all the stores employee information?) to make the point that it isn't worth selling?

You know what would be as effective? Standing in front of their offices and yelling profanities about how the game sucks!
Hacking Bethesda like this isn't going to make Bethesda look at their games and go, "You know, we got hacked for this game and despite it earning us money we're going to stop making discs and will no longer support the IP at all."

lovest harding:

Therumancer:
[Sighs]

I think the obvious point is being missed here. Brink is a game that by all accounts is a second rate rip off of "Team Fortress". Like almost every other attempt to do something that isn't an RPG, Bethesda has basically produced a second rate product. I think what the Lulzboat is doing is nuking "Brink" as a way of saying "let this die, and invest the effort in what your really good at.

See, by giving back the information that they took from all of Bethesda's other products everyone knows what they got, and information protection services can go to work. With Brink it's a little more difficult because it's unknown how much they walked away with, and if they still have their fingers in it.

If people stop playing Brink and the product dies, with Bethesda pulling out the support, that's more effort that can go into their other projects. Supporting something like Brink probably involving a lot of time, effort, and resources on their part (though I could be wrong about that).

At least that's what they seem to be saying, it's not *just* "we hacked you because we liked you, now tighten up your security" there is actually a point being made here.

Truthfully I'm hardly the only Fallout/Elder Scrolls fan who hasn't wanted to give Bethesda a kick in the keister and get them to keep focusing on the games that I actually want to play, even when it comes to Elder Scrolls spin offs and so on, they have a really bad tendency of producing a sub-standard product outside of their core "sandbox RPG" format.

So if I go in to a store and decide that that store is selling things I don't think they should I can steal that item (or how about the human resource files, so I have all the stores employee information?) to make the point that it isn't worth selling?

You know what would be as effective? Standing in front of their offices and yelling profanities about how the game sucks!
Hacking Bethesda like this isn't going to make Bethesda look at their games and go, "You know, we got hacked for this game and despite it earning us money we're going to stop making discs and will no longer support the IP at all."

I'm not defending this paticular act. Understand something, when it comes to the Sony situation specifically I have no sympathy for them because as far as I am concerned they stole from their customer base by removing the "other OS" option. Bethesda on the other hand did not do anything of the sort. I am simply explaining why I think they did it, and what their message actually was.

Understand something also, you are 100% correct that a company isn't going to stop doing something they can make money off. On the other hand if you can prevent them from making money, or actually cost them money, then you can hurt them and force their hand. In fact money is the only way to really hurt a business or corperation short of outright physical assault/terrorism. Lulzsec understands this which is why they went after *user data*, they idea is to get those players to stop playing the game, or making it inconveinent or scary for them to do so, scare off enough of the players, Bethesda loses money on the product, and shuts it down.

I'm not saying it's going to work either, simply that this is their avenue of attack, they agree with your assessment which is why they did what they did. They were just straightforward about their motives. They turned over all the data for the other users, but they didn't do it for the Brink servers and users. Everyone is going to go through ID protection after this of course so there is going to be little overt damage now, but every Brink player now knows that Lulzsec is hanging over their head, everything that goes wrong will be blamed on them, and people will be in constant fear that no matter how many times they change their info Lulzsec might be watching.

The point here is clarification since I think some people were missing the point, not approval.

ishist:
You people are ridiculous. Did you read the response from Bethesda? It amounted to "Oh, we hadn't noticed that vulnerability in our security, we're going to fix that now." Lulzsec didn't break anything, they didn't steal anything, they didn't even bring down the servers, they brought a vulnerability to light that very may well have been exploited at a different time by malicious hackers who want your CC data so they can steal your money. But Oh! Lulzsec Should be Lynched and burnt at the stake and disembowled and such for.....for....because!

Yeah because hacking into companies, stealing information and not publishing the information they got because they "like" the company in question is not a problem!Right?

How about I do the same to you, steal every bit if information about you, blackmail you for money, but gurantee you that I will not tell your mum about the magazines under your bed, well because I "like you more than the other people I've done this to and that one piece of information not being used against you should make up for this

To all you wondering why they'd hack Bethesda at all if they love them so much, it's rather obvious. They hacked them, got beaten back from any of the interesting information, and so put a spin on the press release.
OT: As I said on the thread about this, these guys are dicks. They need to cut out all the hacking, hack websites that deserve hacking, or get arrested already.

Goldeneye103X2:
In fact, I hope Bethesda actually delay the game by one day just to piss these guys off.

It would ruin the cool 11/11/11 thing they got going. Think about it, Australian audiences aren't confused by the month being before the day! It's perfect.

You know, Bethesda could do the world a favour by announcing that the intrusion forced them to delay development of Skyrim until they can further secure their network. As soon as 4chan found out, Lulzsec would find their names, addresses, emails, license plates, favourite brand of cola and everything else being anonymously delivered to the FBI.

brunothepig:
To all you wondering why they'd hack Bethesda at all if they love them so much, it's rather obvious. They hacked them, got beaten back from any of the interesting information, and so put a spin on the press release.
OT: As I said on the thread about this, these guys are dicks. They need to cut out all the hacking, hack websites that deserve hacking, or get arrested already.

Goldeneye103X2:
In fact, I hope Bethesda actually delay the game by one day just to piss these guys off.

It would ruin the cool 11/11/11 thing they got going. Think about it, Australian audiences aren't confused by the month being before the day! It's perfect.

Most of us are perfectly capable of working out when they're using the American form of the date. I would get all indignant about this but there's a crocodile in my pool that I have to take care of.

Shamanic Rhythm:

brunothepig:
To all you wondering why they'd hack Bethesda at all if they love them so much, it's rather obvious. They hacked them, got beaten back from any of the interesting information, and so put a spin on the press release.
OT: As I said on the thread about this, these guys are dicks. They need to cut out all the hacking, hack websites that deserve hacking, or get arrested already.

Goldeneye103X2:
In fact, I hope Bethesda actually delay the game by one day just to piss these guys off.

It would ruin the cool 11/11/11 thing they got going. Think about it, Australian audiences aren't confused by the month being before the day! It's perfect.

Most of us are perfectly capable of working out when they're using the American form of the date. I would get all indignant about this but there's a crocodile in my pool that I have to take care of.

I don't know about you, but I occasionally experience brief moments of confusion...
Those things are out of control these days! Why not just let your kangaroo take care of it?

Balobo:
Bethesda got off lightly because LulzSec aren't actually extremely competent hackers. Surprise surprise.

The more places they visit, the sooner the law catches up. Personally, I'm excited to see these arrogant idiots have their souls crushed by the law.

This to the power of infinity and beyond. I swear, how many sites and groups do these guys need to bust in on before it finally becomes clear that THIS IS THE ENEMY. Not of the corporations, not of governments, OF THE INTERNET. What, do we need to make it a quest? Do we need to offer XP and Gold for these guys to be hunted down in their lairs (aka basements and man-caves)? Would that be motivation enough?

On the plus side, Sony is starting to look less and less lax in terms of their security. Hard to claim they were the weak man on campus when EVERYONE is getting punched in the e-guts.

Therumancer:
[Sighs]

I think the obvious point is being missed here. Brink is a game that by all accounts is a second rate rip off of "Team Fortress". Like almost every other attempt to do something that isn't an RPG, Bethesda has basically produced a second rate product. I think what the Lulzboat is doing is nuking "Brink" as a way of saying "let this die, and invest the effort in what your really good at.

See, by giving back the information that they took from all of Bethesda's other products everyone knows what they got, and information protection services can go to work. With Brink it's a little more difficult because it's unknown how much they walked away with, and if they still have their fingers in it.

If people stop playing Brink and the product dies, with Bethesda pulling out the support, that's more effort that can go into their other projects. Supporting something like Brink probably involving a lot of time, effort, and resources on their part (though I could be wrong about that).

At least that's what they seem to be saying, it's not *just* "we hacked you because we liked you, now tighten up your security" there is actually a point being made here.

Truthfully I'm hardly the only Fallout/Elder Scrolls fan who hasn't wanted to give Bethesda a kick in the keister and get them to keep focusing on the games that I actually want to play, even when it comes to Elder Scrolls spin offs and so on, they have a really bad tendency of producing a sub-standard product outside of their core "sandbox RPG" format.

And that's why it's totally valid to screw with them; because you don't like Brink.

...seriously, wtf, man. Are you that starved for more Fallout or Elder Scrolls that you want all the people playing Brink to suffer, and are basically cheering-without-condoning because of that? Cause I gotta say, speaking as a HUGE fan of the Bethesda Fallout games/DLC, and someone who adores Elder Scrolls... no! HELL no! I am NOT cheering this! I am NOT celebrating this! A company I love GOT HACKED. They got directly screwed with! I could give two damns less about Brink, a game I have neither played nor really care to- I don't even care for Team Fortress, so I'm not going to be keen on a game in the same vein -but if you actually CARE about the company worth a damn, you should be pissed off too!

And again, taking that aside, what exactly is the message here? That Brink is bad and they should feel bad for making it? That they are not allowed to try ANYTHING different aside from two first-person view (with optional-slash-crap third-person views) RPGs? Really? Because that is just low and crass. I love what Bethesda has managed to produce, and I want them to have free reign to produce it, and not feel hemmed in by psychotic lunatics with a hacking fetish.

And again, this basically is saying 'If you bought Brink and are playing it, stop. Stop having fun with this game. You suck for having fun with it, when you SHOULD be ignoring it completely and making Bethesda lose money, so they'll rush out Skyrim with tons of bugs in desperation to make their money back.' Not one inch of that message is one I can even DREAM of condoning.

Rebels without a cause...
They hack stuff for fun then come up with a bullshit reason for it later.
At least Anon does useful stuff with their hacking prowess (like taking down the WBC download site).
Even Lulzsec's name pays homage to their childishness and stupidity. They should just fuck off.

They want to speed up production of Skyrim?? Do we want the game to be an even BIGGER pile of glitches?! o.O What is this group thinking???

All the reasons they do or do not hack places is just plain ridiculous. At least Anonymous had the appearance, an idea of class to it. It was a group that stood for something, that had ideals. Even if in their name there existed idiots, the group at least had a lofty, higher dream purpose. I still didnt approve of them, but they had at least that.

Everything about Lulzsec just feels like its run by a bunch of giggling internet spawn, ignorant, or even protected from cold reality. They're doing this to present flaws in internet security, but they chose their targets not for any kind of lofty ideal, but because they liked a game platform?! Because they want a game released?! What the flipping hell?! This is not lulz-worthy, this is just, just giggling idiocy.

Duskflamer:

sir.rutthed:
If they're such fans, why bother?

Given that this "attack" didn't do much in actual damage, I would say that the goal of this attack was to alert Bethesda to the problems with their security, and based on Bethesda's response ("These attacks will be evaluated to determine if there are any additional protections we might take that would be prudent.") they actually get the point.

If you're going to give what amounts to a friendly, if rude, reminder of security problems, would you rather it benefit a company you like? or one you hate?

Dude. Seriously. How often will I have to say this.

This is to everyone in the thread. Think about this for one second. Do you believe this hacker group is doing it just for the lulz or to alert companies to the holes in there security systems?

Or, how about ITS JUST ONE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY TALENTED GUY FOOLING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE INTO HELPING HIM HACK WEBSITES AND STEAL CREDIT CARD INFORMATION, MAKING HIMSELF A RICH MOFO?

Makes sense does it not?

OT: Well im certainly glad they didnt hack into the database and delete all Skyrim files.

Holy crap the awful reporting is awful.

1. The weekend attacks on brinkthegame.com over the weekend are different to the ones Lulzsec did.

2. Lulzsec effectively took control of Bethesda's internal network through having root access to their servers. They had access to everything stored on them.

3. They have SOURCE CODE that was stored on the servers. That alone is freaking huge, especially if it's compilable.

TiefBlau:
brb, gonna start some anal intrusion to promote Rape Awareness.

I think this may be the comment of the decade. Well played.

OT: What? Why would you hack a website and then expect the progress of a game to increase? And I'm a Brink player, so does that mean I have to change my Xbox Live account password? There's no credit card though. Ah fuck it. Might as well do it.

If I were Bethesda, I'd be all like:

"Oh, so you WANT Skyrim now, huh? DELAYED, BLAME LULZ" That'll teach them not to be such idiots. Plus, they're obviously hacking at random to create fear of them in larger companies, I hope it doesn't come to that.

Low Key:
I think Bethesda has a good enough sense of humor to put a top hat somewhere in one of their games because of this.

I doubt it, LulzSec just aren't funny.

And BGS forums is 404'ing for me.

Great.

Edit: We need a new name for these guys. Every time I use the word 'LulzSec' I feel like I'm giving in to them.

From now on, they will be known as the Faceless Morons.

I say we ignore them from here on out.

i really didn't mind them at first, but now they've gone too far! i want no buget going into bethesda security that could be going into elder scrolls V!

Anon please take these lot down, they are just criminals stealing from the rich and keeping it to themselves. They give all hackers including anon a bad name.

SirBryghtside:

Low Key:
I think Bethesda has a good enough sense of humor to put a top hat somewhere in one of their games because of this.

I doubt it, LulzSec just aren't funny.

And BGS forums is 404'ing for me.

Great.

Edit: We need a new name for these guys. Every time I use the word 'LulzSec' I feel like I'm giving in to them.

From now on, they will be known as the Faceless Morons.

The site is up and working fine where I'm at. Must be something on your end. It's especially weird because I didn't read anything about a denial of service attack...

yeah, they definitely need to announce that there will be delays to the game's release due to this hacking :P

Andy Chalk:

"Please find enclosed everything we took, excluding one thing - 200,000+ Brink users. We actually like this company and would like for them to speed up the production of Skyrim, so we'll give them one less thing to worry about," the group explained in a Pastebin description of the attack. "You're welcome!"

hmm so they hacked a site of a company they like and want them to speed up production of Skyrim a product that technically the company doesn't have to produce. Yet they probably helped to slow it down by making Bethesda have to look at it's company security...what kind of weird logic does Lulzsec use?

I mean that's like robbing a bank saying that "I actually like this bank and would like them to hurry up giving me all their money(something the bank doesn't HAVE to provide), so I'll give them one less thing to worry about." and then take everything except the pens and deposit slips. "You're welcome!"

SirBryghtside:

Edit: We need a new name for these guys. Every time I use the word 'LulzSec' I feel like I'm giving in to them.

From now on, they will be known as the Faceless Morons.

How about we just call them Lemon Party?

This guy is terrible. He is a prick who is smug about himself because he can DDoS any site. I
seriously hope Anonymous finds something wrong with this.

I really hate these people. Someone track them down and stick them in freezers for awhile.

ishist:
You people are ridiculous. Did you read the response from Bethesda? It amounted to "Oh, we hadn't noticed that vulnerability in our security, we're going to fix that now." Lulzsec didn't break anything, they didn't steal anything, they didn't even bring down the servers, they brought a vulnerability to light that very may well have been exploited at a different time by malicious hackers who want your CC data so they can steal your money. But Oh! Lulzsec Should be Lynched and burnt at the stake and disembowled and such for.....for....because!

They took an illegal action, publicly embarrassed a popular company, and cost them possibly millions of dollars. There is nothing commendable or noble about screwing with people for fun (which is what they're doing). It's as simple as that.

Duskflamer:

lovest harding:

Duskflamer:

Given that this "attack" didn't do much in actual damage, I would say that the goal of this attack was to alert Bethesda to the problems with their security, and based on Bethesda's response ("These attacks will be evaluated to determine if there are any additional protections we might take that would be prudent.") they actually get the point.

If you're going to give what amounts to a friendly, if rude, reminder of security problems, would you rather it benefit a company you like? or one you hate?

If they want to enhance security so much and are willing to hack for free, why the hell not just inform Bethesda upfront and simply not take anything instead of turning this into we're going to hack and take stuff for the lulz, then return what was taken saying that they like the company?
I fail to see how this is the best way to inform a company of it's website security issues.

I call bullshit on them just wanting to help their security anyway.
Look at their track record and tell me, honestly, that all they want to do is help companies they like.

The more public the hacking is the more pressure is put on the companies. It's easy to dismiss something if nobody else notices, but if all eyes are on you because of something that happened, you'd be a bit quicker in setting up defenses against future hacking.

Lulzsec may not be malicious but by being public there's a risk that some more malicious hackers could follow in their footsteps, and that's what spurs the companies to improve security. If it was just some private e-mail saying "Oh yea, we totally hacked your database lulz." do you think the company would treat it with the same level of urgency or seriousness?

Maybe if said e-mail contained a copy of all the sensitive information they stole and/or something along those lines. But that is beside the point. The point is that Lulzsec ARE malicious. As King_Serpent pointed out they have stolen other user info and posted it on the web. At the end of the day they are nothing but a bunch of malicious and shameless troublemakers that are not worthy of anything other than condemnation.

UltraXan:
ehhhhh... I'm starting to wonder when they are gonna try to hack Valve. I just hope Gabe is aware of what's going on and hunkering down.

Well if they try that Gabe will find them and eat them for breakfast....and then eat their houses....and delay episode 3!

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