OnLive Founder Claims "Impossible" Wireless Breakthrough

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OnLive Founder Claims "Impossible" Wireless Breakthrough

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When it comes to wireless communications, Steve Perlman doesn't believe in limits. Even if those limits are backed by a half century of physicists and electrical engineers.

Before I explain Perlman's new system, allow me to introduce you to Claude Shannon. While working at Bell Labs in 1948, Shannon published "A Mathematical Theory of Communication" which outlined his theory that there is a definite upper limit to the speeds at which data that can be transmitted wirelessly.

In the last six decades, "Shannon's Law" (as it came to be known) has been repeatedly proven mathematically, and no one has been able to create a device capable of violating it.

You can imagine the strangled gasps and monocles popping off in shock when OnLive founder Steve Perlman took the stage at the recent NExTWORK conference and claimed his startup, Rearden Companies, has created tech that shatters the Law.

According to a conversation Perlman had with Wired, Rearden's researchers currently transmit data at speeds "10 times the limit, know they can achieve 100 times the limit, and are optimistic they can push it to 1,000 times faster or more."

I won't claim to understand the science behind Perlman's technology (known as "distributed input distributed output" or "DIDO" for short) but the feature list outlined at the conference is stunning.

According to Perlman, DIDO communications would eliminate the need for cellular towers. Instead, the proposed DIDO base stations would be about the size of a wireless router and have an effective broadcast range of 30 miles, through solid objects that would otherwise block cellular signals. Rearden scientists are hopeful that with more testing they can implement base stations with a broadcast range of 250 miles.

Even more impressively though, is the "unlimited bandwidth" DIDO seemingly offers. Wired explains:

If a cell tower today broadcasts on channels that have a capacity of 100 megabits of bandwidth per second, and 100 people connect to that cell tower and share bandwidth equally, each person's connection will measure roughly one megabit per second. If 1,000 people connect, each will get 100k bits per second. With DIDO wireless signals, everyone within range would get the entirety of the channel.

"I know that sounds impossible," says Perlman, "but literally if you have a cell that has 100 megabits per second worth of bandwidth in it and you have 100 people, each person gets 100 megabits a second. It's really pretty amazing; you don't interfere with anybody else."

Full details can be found at the official DIDO patent.

The Wired piece seems warily hopeful that DIDO might remove any need for bandwidth caps on cellular networks, and while that may technically be true, there is still the problem of the cell phone business relying entirely on the ignorance of the average person to leverage insane profits.

And, of course, even getting to the point where we have to gather up torches and pitchforks for a trip to visit Verizon shareholders relies on the still suspect idea that Perlman's DIDO tech actually does what he claims.

Normally I'd dismiss this kind of thing immediately as being impossible, but when it comes to Perlman, I've learned not to make that mistake. I thought the idea of streaming playable Crysis 2 in high detail to a low-end PC via cable Internet was a total impossibility until OnLive proved me wrong, so if Mr. Perlman says he's broken the laws of physics in the quest for a better cell phone signal, I'm on board.

Source: Wired

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I don't claim to understand what he's talking about, but I know science changes and "impossible" today is the regular of tomorrow. However, I am a learner from the believe it when I see it school of technology. If it's true, holy crap. If not, I don't see what they could gain from a massive lie, so I figure at least part of it should be true.

I would like to see Scientific proof (physical and mathematical) before I believe in his claims.
Some of them (the one quotede in the OT) seems impossible since there will always be a physical limit to the speed the information can be sent at (specifically the speed of light) and the router/cell will be constrained by the resistance in the wires/chips unless they are made with superconductors.

All I can say is that I hope this true and we start replacing cellular towers with these things.

Won't happen.
Even if he does succeed, he will be crushed by the other providers.
The reason behind that is that if he succeeds, a large precent of the profits will decline for the cell phone companies.
A comparison can be seen in the automobile market where a fuel efficient engine is not invented for the fear that Oil companies will lose their profits therefore fuel efficient engines don't exist (commercially, there is very little research or SERIOUS research.).

We'll wait and see how this gladiatoral fight will continue.

Where's the pudding!

We all know we must see the pudding first, before we believe!

I really want to believe this is true, but until I see proof that this works like he says it can, I will be skeptical until then.

But I REALLY want this to be true, that would freaking amazing! Then cellphone companies will have to do something about it, like use that technology and stop this capping bs that they've been pulling. All assuming what he's claiming is true though.

Is this Steorn again?

Would they like investment in return for this amazing design just so they can do the final stages?

Well, now maybe he should work on transferring solid objects through cellular signals. I'm pretty sure he can do it.

yes i was surprised by OnLive too, until i found out you need really good internet and living in a good USA city to have a good reception. OnLive right now is the equivalent of high class restaurants. Sure, theyre good and worth it, but only if you live in the big city where they are. Otherwise, taking a hundred mile trip just to eat filet mignon at 100 dollars isnt worth it. and neither is OnLive.

on topic, i doubt these claims are true. Im willing to bet its the same case that happened with OnLive. oh sure, this works, but only if you have this connection, and yu live near this place.

ill wait and see.

Fuhjem:
Well, now maybe he should work on transferring solid objects through cellular signals. I'm pretty sure he can do it.

oh such sappy sarcasm I'm loving it

He's probably telling the truth. Financially there is no benefit to lying in this manner, he runs a business, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

If you want to make money you say you have MORE restrictions not less.

That's how you trick folks.

I'll tell you what, Mr. Perlman. When you show me that you can actually break the laws of phyics and give 100 people the same bandwidth that 1 person has from one single router, then I will believe you.

For now, though, I find this picture relevant for some reason:

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Veloxe:
If not, I don't see what they could gain from a massive lie, so I figure at least part of it should be true.

a couple million in shareholder cash and a plane ticket?

Still, very impressive, if true.

This is odd... to say the least. I have a degree in Electrical Engineering, mostly specialized on communications, and if this is true, it would be a major breakthrough. If they're really breaking Shannon's limits, this would affect all communications, not just over wireless.

By skimming the patent, the idea seems to be to distribute different communications parameters across the network, using the best local parameters for each link. This still does not say how they break Shannon's limit. Let's see if this works in practice.

It sounds cool. However, I still refuse to get a cell phone.

Hey, 90% of the technology we use every day was literally science fiction when most of us were born. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to say that this is possible.

Is it just me or does this sound a little like a Tesla claim?

I got $50 bet that AT&T and Comcast join up to buy these guys out and take that new invention and put it on the first rocket to the Sun.

It also sounds like an invitation to open a portal for the deep ones.

Earnest Cavalli:
Normally I'd dismiss this kind of thing immediately as being impossible, but when it comes to Perlman, I've learned not to make that mistake. I thought the idea of streaming playable Crysis 2 in high detail to a low-end PC via cable Internet was a total impossibility until OnLive proved me wrong, so if Mr. Perlman says he's broken the laws of physics in the quest for a better cell phone signal, I'm on board.

I'm skeptical but open minded. Onlive actually has a very active technology research division that has been able to cook up their own technologies like MOVA.

(skip to 8 minutes.)

gideonkain:
Is it just me or does this sound a little like a Tesla claim?

I don't know in what spirit you mean that. Tesla was a little off his rocker sometimes and might make a claim that never materialized like a deathray. At the same time he'd make claims like alternating current the established businesses and thinkers like Edison would go out of their way to try and discredit or disprove to watch their own bottom line.


DIDO huh? I can't wait to introduce my new technology, SHAKIRA.

It doesn't matter what other providers will do. If this works, he'll get funding via investors. When it's set up, the other providers will have to catch up or die.

Unless of course, the FCC gets involved.

Poppycock! Hogswash! *splutters more into his brandy*

But seriously, hope this turns out to be true :D

From the same Wired article:
"Wired interviewed an electrical engineering professor who noted that elements of the Shannon-Hartley Theorem have in fact been disproved, or at least altered, with multiple-input-multiple-output systems, currently being used in the latest 4G tech."

Veloxe:
I don't claim to understand what he's talking about, but I know science changes and "impossible" today is the regular of tomorrow. However, I am a learner from the believe it when I see it school of technology. If it's true, holy crap. If not, I don't see what they could gain from a massive lie, so I figure at least part of it should be true.

yeah this

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honestly while this sounds amazing and definitely sounds like the next step in wireless capabilities, i'll also follow under the "need to see it to believe it" group.

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I read "DIDO" as "DILDO".

Ohoho, it's so easy to make me laugh...

JMeganSnow:
It sounds cool. However, I still refuse to get a cell phone.

refuse to get a cell phone...?

where do you live and why do you refuse to get a cell phone...

hell 80% of the people i know don't have home phones anymore because they only have a cell..

slimeonline:
Is this Steorn again?

Would they like investment in return for this amazing design just so they can do the final stages?

Well, at least this guy currently has a legitimate business, that may be making profits (I haven't paid much attention to onlive)

gideonkain:
Is it just me or does this sound a little like a Tesla claim?

And did Tesla not do some awesome stuff? I think an AC generator was once said to be impossible.

I can't say I care if people are crazy, or making impossible claims, just so long as they're not a scam and deliver something

Well everyone thought making completely custom settlements in Medieval II Total War was impossible, but people have done it. Nothing is completely impossible I suppose, hopefully if this is all true, the world will be using it pretty soon

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gmaverick019:

JMeganSnow:
It sounds cool. However, I still refuse to get a cell phone.

refuse to get a cell phone...?

where do you live and why do you refuse to get a cell phone...

hell 80% of the people i know don't have home phones anymore because they only have a cell..

Where I live has nothing to do with why I refuse to get a cell phone. I don't have or want one because I refuse to interact with people whenever it happens to enter their tiny brains that they know my number. So why should I have an expensive device to carry around when I'd never voluntarily answer it? If I'm going somewhere and I feel the need for portable entertainment, I bring a book. I'm capable of keeping track of my appointments myself. I have no children that require supervision.

If I actually needed to be in touch with people on short notice, I'd probably get a cell phone. But I don't. So I won't.

I really want this to be true. However, until such a time, my Cynicism chip will be turned to 11.

Pnut Dancer:
I noticed the name 'Rearden'. Rearden Mobile provides superior signals, at cheaper prices than it's competitors. Mobile Video Sites like Taggart Streaming will enjoy it.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I see what you did there.

Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that when I read the article.

You just stick a 'quantum resonance' sticker on the base station. And it will all be powered by cold fusion or Steorn.

draythefingerless:
yes i was surprised by OnLive too, until i found out you need really good internet and living in a good USA city to have a good reception. OnLive right now is the equivalent of high class restaurants. Sure, theyre good and worth it, but only if you live in the big city where they are. Otherwise, taking a hundred mile trip just to eat filet mignon at 100 dollars isnt worth it. and neither is OnLive.

on topic, i doubt these claims are true. Im willing to bet its the same case that happened with OnLive. oh sure, this works, but only if you have this connection, and yu live near this place.

ill wait and see.

You have to understand that if that tech is true, it is a replacement tech for cellphone tower, which would permit high speed internet over a surface DIDO hub network, basically it is the kind of tech that that could permit to have a wireless connection equivalent to the city of Tokyo in freaking middle of a field in Kansas.

This is mostly due that such tech would be good enough to replace the wired network with a fully wireless one.

But still skeptical, but damn I so hope it true. But I can understand not divulging the data for it until research complete, for such tech would sell like beer would flow by combining St.Patrick and Oktoberfest together, if the data are true.

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