Another Australian AG Puts the Brakes on R18+ Ratings

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Another Australian AG Puts the Brakes on R18+ Ratings

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The Australian state of New South Wales is threatening to derail the country's R18+ game rating process for at least another year by refusing to vote on the issue until further studies are done.

The wheels are really starting to come off the Australian R18+ videogame rating train. First came news yesterday that the state of South Australia was preparing to move unilaterally to ditch the MA15+ rating, a move which would throw the entire Australian rating process into disarray, and now New South Wales is threatening to scuttle the entire process for at least another year by refusing to vote on the issue at all.

A spokesman for NSW Attorney General Greg Smith said Smith will not be voting on the question of R18+ ratings for videogames when it comes up at Friday's meeting of the Standing Committee of Attorneys General. "We're not going down a definitive route," the rep told GameSpot Australia. "More work needs to be done on this issue. We want to wait to see the results of the ALRC [Australian Law Reform Commission] classification review."

Smith is just one among eight state-level AGs but the implementation of an R18+ rating for videogames requires unanimous consent, so if Smith abstains, the process cannot move forward. That's how former South Australia Attorney General Michael Atkinson was able to roadblock the process for so many years; the only difference is that Atkinson wasn't even willing to discuss the matter.

It's always possible that Smith will change his mind and cast a vote in favor of the rating but if he sticks to his guns, everything will grind to a halt until at least early 2012, which is the soonest that the ALRC review is expected to finish. Sorry, Aussies.

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COME F*CKING ON!! For every Michael Atkinson down, another one with an even more idiotic reason takes his place! At least this guy technically isn't against it.

Anyone surprised by this at all? The system is set up in such a way that halting progress is child's play. It's more likely that the system will crumble and reform than it is for the decision to unanimously pass the numerous channels and get through.

CAPCHA: mother approved. Ironic.

"Further studies"? How about all the other freaking countries with 18+ ratings and aren't full of serial killers? Is that enough evidence for you?

I'm not surprised, it'll be years before we have a R18 rating, simply because the people making the decision is made by people who believe the huge majority of those who play games (I wont use the term gamer because I'm certain they think there's no such thing as a gamer)are young children.

As a huge political nerd and active in politics (in the greens) its clear that neither Labor nor Liberal governments are going to do anything that may upset the conservative vote. Even if the state attorney general's, the federal government will try and block it as a result of talks with the christian lobby.

Ultimately it will one-day go ahead,but only if the federal government pushes it.

Jesus Christ, these guys are thick.

And what kind of idiotic system requires unanimous consent when simple (or 2/3) majority is a much better and more democratic system.

Wasn't the government supposed to put an end to this shit?

You are absolutely right Macgyvercas, but unfortunately our federal Constitution and all the separate state constitutions cause very vague as to how you go about this kind of thing.

And no the no Australian government has really said it would change its stance, the most any has gone is the federal referring it to the states, ultimately saying if all the states agree then yes I will pursue it.

look at that face

look at that fucking face and tell me you would trust that guy's word

Sorry, friends down under, you are gonna have to wait another year.

It's not like saying yes will immediately create an R rating for games, we all know that there will be further work needed before it becomes law, eg the full classification review currently being undertaken in this country. All these guys need to do is give an in principal approval of the rating and they can stop being hassled about a decision they should have made A FREAKIN DECADE ago!

And lo! A collective, giant and deafening "COME ON!" was screamed by the Australian Public. And the rest of the world took pity upon them for being stuck with such a universally borked ratings system and system of government.

I feel this is appropriate...

This is Bullshit. The people want it, the submissions have been made, people want the fricking R18+ rating for videogames. WHAT MORE DO THEY WANT? Next thing you know theres going to be a classification tax. oops better not say that they might listen because they don't know sarcasm. stupid carbon tax. I HATE LIVING HERE IN AUSTRALIA WHEN WE HAVE FOOLS RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT.

*ahem*

Dear attorney generals:

[spoiler=censored] FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCKKKK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!! [spoiler]

studies studies studies, i think the various politicians of the world are hoping that if they study the issue enough, the fabric of reality might shift and the results of said tests might finally support their worries.

42:
WE HAVE FOOLS RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT.

Honestly do you thik any other country's government is different?

Great, now even my own state is run by heavyweight douch-nozzles. How maany more studies do we have to do beofre we need to break down their door and make them sign for an R18+ rating?

This is interesting timing. South Australia was going to pull a move that would have pissed everyone off even more, but that couldn't be done for another year if another region completely abstained from voting. Is this a slick move for the greater good or just a matter of coincidence?

We can all guess what Yahtzee is going to say about this. Anyway this is completely stupid. They really need to sort themselves out.

I'm really puzzled how this works, not being from Australia. How is it that one person can stop the rating system from being changed? Isn't there some kind of central law making body that can make changes like that with the force of law? I understood that there was a central parliament in Australia, I would think that this body would be able to override anything this AG might want. Shouldn't the campaign for the mature rating be aimed there?

I'm not trying to sound ignorant or rude here, I'm honestly a bit confused on how this works.

Brendan O'Conner will come to the rescue. He's pretty much said that if they don't agree, he's going over their heads and putting it in anyway.

Royas:
I'm really puzzled how this works, not being from Australia. How is it that one person can stop the rating system from being changed? Isn't there some kind of central law making body that can make changes like that with the force of law? I understood that there was a central parliament in Australia, I would think that this body would be able to override anything this AG might want. Shouldn't the campaign for the mature rating be aimed there?

I'm not trying to sound ignorant or rude here, I'm honestly a bit confused on how this works.

In Australia, the rating system isn't a fedral thing. Decisions to change classifications have to be agreed upon by each state and territory's Attorney General. Unfortunately, these AG's are all of different moral beliefs and completely out of touch with the general population.

It needs to be a federal thing and not a state thing.

ARGH! And here I thought we were so close!(SA Attorney Generals silly MA15 removal aside) WTF Greg Smith! NSW used to be cooooool! =P
But no, seriously, this isn't cool. At all.

Wow, just wow.
It is really sad that some people just can't live in the real world like the rest of us. Sorry Aussies, and sorry Yahtzee.

Why, why, WHY, does Australia require an unanimous vote on this?

This is precisely the reason most countries settle for a majority. Requiring a unanimous vote means that anyone against a motion ALWAYS wins, no matter how out numbered they are.

I understand and appreciate the ideal behind requiring consensus, but it's not something that works in real life. The result is a system that is constantly trying to get the most menial things done, because people rarely ever agree.

One opposed, just one, can hamstring anything. There is something seriously wrong there.

Circumvent this protracted stream of conservative, bureaucratic diarrhoea by importing. Import! Import at any cost!
Import! It's cheaper!
Import! Indirect middle finger to decrepit attorneys general, and archaic process!
Import! Exercise your right as an adult!

Import! It's the only reality check that will crack the conservative veneer! After all, what point in delaying implementation of an R18+ rating if the majority of adult gamers already have the titles that are being refused classification?

What's that word again? Begins with an "i", and begins with YOU!

jackanderson:
And lo! A collective, giant and deafening "COME ON!" was screamed by the Australian Public. And the rest of the world took pity upon them for being stuck with such a universally borked ratings system and system of government.

I feel this is appropriate...

Greatest video ever.

This is so stupid. Last I checked democracy was supposed to be about the majority. People would probably complain about a system that required a unanimous vote from the entire country to change Prime Minister.

And the problem with importing is that they make it illegal for you to import games like Mortal Kombat that were banned here, and if they catch it at customs they can (I don't know if they do, but they can) fine you pretty badly.

i always thought germany is stupid with their rating and especially censoring stuff from games and movies, and still give it a 18+ rating. 18+ for a censored version of a movie or game.
when i moved to australia over 6 years ago, i was surprised about the games i was able to find in a store you never could get legally in germany/switzerland (besides some shops in switzerland who was selling uncut original versions).
i quickly found out how stupid the rating system works down there when i never saw a 18+ rated game.
reading this just makes my head shake how retarded the system is. seriously, the whole world has a 18+ rating and dont have any problems. not even germany, they just complain about the violent in the games.
no wonder people in australia order games from ebay. one shop i used to get my games from, told me that few people dint order some games like L4D2 because of the stupid rating system and the game being censored.

now that i live in hong kong, they dont seam to have this issue. the games are all from the US, some are from australia like assassins creed 2 and brotherhood (because of the aussie rating on the box). they dont seam to have their own rating system besides the US rating which is on the box of the game.
but if a game is really violent or has mature content like sex etc, they just put a huge black sticker on the box saying that this game is for people 18 years and over, and that this product contains disturbing material that may offend people...... etc etc. you can guess the rest.
this works fine here from the looks of it. at least i never heard anyone complaining about it or about games.

so why is australia so f***ing stupid and cant get the picture??? im so glad to be out of this country. feel sorry for yahtzee.

Whatever. There are more important things to worry about than some game rating

HK_47:
I'm not surprised, it'll be years before we have a R18 rating, simply because the people making the decision is made by people who believe the huge majority of those who play games (I wont use the term gamer because I'm certain they think there's no such thing as a gamer)are young children.

You mean they aren't? Could have fooled me with thy way gamers here bitch about nothing.

MindBullets:
"Further studies"? How about all the other freaking countries with 18+ ratings and aren't full of serial killers? Is that enough evidence for you?

FUCKING WORDS OF A HOLY MAN, RIGHT HERE! I'm so sick of these attourney-generals screwing us over every damn time we start getting something on track.

Blitzwing:
Whatever. There are more important things to worry about than some game rating

HK_47:
I'm not surprised, it'll be years before we have a R18 rating, simply because the people making the decision is made by people who believe the huge majority of those who play games (I wont use the term gamer because I'm certain they think there's no such thing as a gamer)are young children.

You mean they aren't? Could have fooled me with thy way gamers here bitch about nothing.

I agree with you that when compared to the more serious issues a government must deal with, (pretty much everything else), that the push for a R18 rating is pretty irrelevant, but there's no reason why they shouldn't do it as its such a small task and could easily be done, and wouldn't hinder the advancement on any other legislative areas.

Oh well, Guess I'll just have to keep importing games and assisting in the financial ruin of our country. Tough.

kalt_13:

42:
WE HAVE FOOLS RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT.

Honestly do you thik any other country's government is different?

sorry i don't buy the whole every country is the same argument, because

A) our prime minsiter is retarded
B) opposition ain't any better
C) have you had to put up with the inane bullshit of no R18+ rating?
D) our prime minister is really retarded.

now tell me how that is different from any other country in the world?

42:

sorry i don't buy the whole every country is the same argument, because

A) our prime minsiter is retarded
B) opposition ain't any better
C) have you had to put up with the inane bullshit of no R18+ rating?
D) our prime minister is really retarded.

now tell me how that is different from any other country in the world?

I'm an aussie as well so I know your pain. I still can't work out where those asshole attorney-generals get off denying us that rating. I could be wrong here and would appreciate a correction if I am, but aren't they supposed to represent the people of Australia? So if we say we want a law they should be working to give it to us, not being little bitches about it.

Look at what other people in other countrys think of their governments. Read a few posts here about americans complaining about there own government. Did you see on the news about the greeks rioting against their government. Yes those people are rioting/complaining about different things to us, but I'm sure alot of people in alot of countrys would make a list similar to yours.

Maybe looking like this:

A) our head of state is retarded
B) opposition ain't any better
C) have you had to put up with the *topic they they are complaining about* ?
D) our head of state is really retarded

As I said in the other thread this week about the Attorney-General meeting, the only thing that will happen on friday, is they will have a nice and expensive lunch paid for by the people they are ignoring.

HK_47:
I'm not surprised, it'll be years before we have a R18 rating, simply because the people making the decision is made by people who believe the huge majority of those who play games (I wont use the term gamer because I'm certain they think there's no such thing as a gamer)are young children.

As a huge political nerd and active in politics (in the greens) its clear that neither Labor nor Liberal governments are going to do anything that may upset the conservative vote. Even if the state attorney general's, the federal government will try and block it as a result of talks with the christian lobby.

Ultimately it will one-day go ahead,but only if the federal government pushes it.

I know I shouldn'y say this but... give Prime Minister Brown my regards (:

OT: Knowing the Australian government they would probably make the system worse sooo this doesn't really bother me. Also do games get carbon taxed?

they need an unanimous vote? really? From an outsider point of view, Australia needs to stop being idiots about that flawed system. And about 18+ games. UL Australians, UL.

Von Strimmer:
[quote="HK_47" post="7.301535.12028157"]

I know I shouldn'y say this but... give Prime Minister Brown my regards (:

OT: Knowing the Australian government they would probably make the system worse sooo this doesn't really bother me. Also do games get carbon taxed?

A fine hook sir ;P but I'm not going to bite :P

I would be interested if if the federal attorney general does have any ability to go over the head of SA's attorney general's head, as this is reminiscent of a great many other issues that are the result of multiple constitutions and undefined areas, that and the lack of a bill of rights.

We know that its not a party issue (specifically labor)as the R18+ rating had support of all states under labor (except SA) and federal labors support

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