Modern Warfare 3 Dev Welcomes Negative Feedback

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Modern Warfare 3 Dev Welcomes Negative Feedback

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Being told where you're going wrong isn't a bad thing, says Infinity Ward's creative strategist; it's vital to helping you improve.

Infinity Ward, the studio behind the Modern Warfare games, isn't worried about getting negative feedback; if anything, the reverse is true, with the studio actually embracing it. Robert Bowling says that listening to criticism helps give Infinity Ward a more grounded perspective, and makes it easier to identify where it could be doing better.

Bowling said that it would be very easy for Infinity Ward to look at the massive sales figures for Call of Duty and the number of people playing the Modern Warfare games on services like PSN and Xbox Live, and think that its work was done. But going online, where people weren't afraid to speak their minds about something they didn't like, showed the studio that there was always room for improvement. "It allows you to have a gut check and a perspective that 'this is where we still need to go,'" Bowling said. "'This is work that we still need to do.'"

According to Bowling, the best decision he had ever made - at least from a developmental point of view - was joining Twitter. "It allows you to not rest on acclaim alone, whether critical or commercial," he explained. "And makes you realize that there are still audiences out there that want to enjoy your games that may not even play shooters." He said that the survival mode in Modern Warfare 3 - which is designed to give a multiplayer-style experience to single player fans - was a result of feedback from Twitter.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 comes out for PC, PS3, and Xbox 360 on November 8th.

Source: Kotaku

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...thus seperating IW from developers who insist that if you don't enjoy the game, you aren't playing it right.

On the other hand, I've seen developers invite critism before, but mostly just for show. If they actually act on this, I will be very impressed.

EDIT: I should probably state that I thought a major problem of MW2 was that they included basically everything that was asked for, making it a bit too overpowered, if you understand what I mean.
Also, I am a fan of both MW1 and 2. Yeah, MewTwo may have lacked imagination and innovation compared to Mew, but it was still very well made.

[Pokemon refences FTW]

Dedicated servers.

Care to repeat what you said IW?

...MW3 has a survival mode? You learn something new every day.

In the meantime, my PS2 is now getting a workout, its old bones squealing back to life because less than half of its games took place in first person perspective.

As for accepting criticism - I think this is more than likely just for show, but this might actually turn out to be as great as the fourth or second CoD game. I don't think it will, but it might.

sooo wait...they weren't before?

People just like hating the Modern Warfare games regardless of how good they are.

Oh okay then IW, if you can criticism, why don't you listen to half your former fans and stop making games in this f*cking franchise! Seriously, just make something new, or at least a little grounded in reality.

Captcha: oh, wait

The Cheezy One:
If they actually act on this, I will be very impressed.

Literally EVERYTHING In Modern Warfare 2 was asked for on IW's twitter page when they asked "What do you want to see in Modern Warfare 2?"

L3m0n_L1m3:
Literally EVERYTHING In Modern Warfare 2 was asked for on IW's twitter page when they asked "What do you want to see in Modern Warfare 2?"

Ye, and look how that turned out..

I'm not positive what this will accomplish. The big FPS franchises all have their fans now and they are pretty much what they are. At this point, because of the way and people these products are marketed to, the brand is just as important (if not more so) than the gameplay mechanics, which by the way, haven't really changed all that much since FPS's first came out.

L3m0n_L1m3:

The Cheezy One:
If they actually act on this, I will be very impressed.

Literally EVERYTHING In Modern Warfare 2 was asked for on IW's twitter page when they asked "What do you want to see in Modern Warfare 2?"

That's why it sucked. Most people who post those wishes were 13 year old kids. And IW were stupid enough to just throw everything in the game without any regard to balance in the gameplay. Taking fan feedback into consideration is a good thing, but developers should just use that feedback as guidelines, not literally. If people want more weapons and perks, by all means add more weapons and perks. But don't add what fans want, add what seems logical and what doesn't break the balance of the game.

Hopefully they listen to a lot of people and try to calm themselves the fuck down with this series. It won't bore us to death if we go a minute or two without something exploding.

captcha: your erection. what the... *runs*

I wonder if they'll accept any criticisms...

"Dear I.W, I will not buy Modern Warfare 3 unless there's a mode that requires every player to wear a tutu".

The best thing they can do is take all the development since CoD4 and throw it in the biggest fucking dust-bin they can find.

Phoenixlight:
People just like hating the Modern Warfare games regardless of how good they are.

Please explain my love of CoD, CoD2, The Big Red One and CoD4:MW, but then my hate of WaW, MW2, BlOps and refusal to play MW3.

Is it because I hate CoD games no matter what or because I dislike the direction the series took? IE: One of stagnation and lazy development cycles.

OT: I just read that as, "Husk of IW welcomes criticism, then promptly ignores it, because they know game will still make more money than god."

Hey IW(Treyarch)! I'd like Leaning & Proning for single & Multiplayer back? Also dedicated servers would be nice! If you do that maybe I'll buy it.

Robert Bowling in a article about listening ?

He didnt listen to the complaints about the lack of dedi servers for the PC ver. amongst various valid and reasonable complaints.

I didnt sign that boycott, but unlike the majority that did sign... I havent bought a CoD title since MW1 (CoD4), only tried that CoD:BO during that free MP weekend.
Damn weak losers that did sign then still bought the bloody game, completely negated the impact of the consumer voice... yeah yeah whine all you like, we all know you will still beg us for the privilage of handing over your cash to us.

... I also havent bought L4D2, unlike the other losers that signed the boycott and was first inline to buy the damn game.

Frostbite3789:

Phoenixlight:
People just like hating the Modern Warfare games regardless of how good they are.

Please explain my love of CoD, CoD2, The Big Red One and CoD4:MW, but then my hate of WaW, MW2, BlOps and refusal to play MW3.

Is it because I hate CoD games no matter what or because I dislike the direction the series took? IE: One of stagnation and lazy development cycles.

OT: I just read that as, "Husk of IW welcomes criticism, then promptly ignores it, because they know game will still make more money than god."

Well put, i remember using similar words about this crippled itteration of IW. The tense in the OP is wrong too, it really should read "Devs" since three different studios are having to prop-up IW since its pretty wrenching implosion. The reason single dev houses tend to a project is that within one company it is hard enough not make a game consistant, coherant and generally a well intergrated experience.Big projects tend to suffer from this most, Halo3 was a good game and developed by one company but even then the weight and size of the project led to some inconsitancies.

With the pretty messy showings in MW2 and Bops that really smack of a gaint development team not really communicating all that well, my hopes for MW3 NOT being a stiched together bag of shite are pretty low.

I know its 'cool' to go against the "CoD hating Hipsters" and be all 'alternative' but there isn't some consipracy here. People dislike CoD because it is a poor quality product with a host of very serious problems.

GET. RID. OF. IWNET.

Seriously, I never wanted to get MW2, but my little brother wanted it for his birthday, and I'm a nice guy. So now I have both Bad Company 2 and MW2, and good lord, is IWnet screwy.

Incidentally, if I did a thorough video review/comparison of MW2 and BC2, how many of you would be interested in viewing it?

Dedicated Servers. Dedicated Servers!

DEDICATED SERVERS!

Seriously Bowling, even gears of war is embracing dedicated servers, 90% of the complaints with COD series of late has been lag induced. The series NEEDS dedicated servers in SOME capacity.

Even if the user has to pay a subscription fee (if moderate like $2 a month) then it is the best way to go.

Also don't expect the PC version to be at all well received without dedicated servers.

Sounds like my tutor at uni.

"We tell you you suck so you can improve! we dont just tell you it because we enjoy it, thats only half of our goal!"

I love the COD franchise. There are loads of amazing titles coming out this winter. Its going to be a challenge to fit them in, as I will be addicted to COD yet again.

Random Argument Man:
I wonder if they'll accept any criticisms...

"Dear I.W, I will not buy Modern Warfare 3 unless there's a mode that requires every player to wear a tutu".

i second your suggestion, and allow me to add, "top hats"

Ill just put this out there right now.

As an artist, creator, etc.

Taking criticism after the work is done amounts to NOTHING.

The only way to fix things that are broken and criticized, are to take them back, work on them and put them out again.

Had IW done a public beta when there was still time add or remove features, this would have been impressive. Otherwise all you may get is some stat tweaks and hope they do it right in 2013.

Which isn't hard to do if they plop out a generic texture map, some guns and movement schemes and let people test the feel of it. It's like how there is that little sound in Black ops multiplayer when you score a hit, but not in single player which makes it feel like shooting paper targets.

I sort of don't believe this.

I'm sure loads of people have already given negative feedback for what CoD 4 online has become now that the hackers from MW2 took over. What about some of the imbalances still being abused in MW2 that people still complain? What has IW done about this? Thats right, pretty much nothing.

I highly doubt they will actually listen and take action. And this is coming from a CoD fan.

Makes sense. Heck, I'd even argue thats good advice for life. People in general are far too resistant to negative feedback and criticism :P

Nooners:
Incidentally, if I did a thorough video review/comparison of MW2 and BC2, how many of you would be interested in viewing it?

Yeah, but only because I have faith that my blind allegiance to Battlefield will be further cemented ;)

Treblaine:
Dedicated Servers. Dedicated Servers!

DEDICATED SERVERS!

Seriously Bowling, even gears of war is embracing dedicated servers, 90% of the complaints with COD series of late has been lag induced. The series NEEDS dedicated servers in SOME capacity.

Even if the user has to pay a subscription fee (if moderate like $2 a month) then it is the best way to go.

Also don't expect the PC version to be at all well received without dedicated servers.

...

You would honestly pay a subscription to play a generic FPS when there's a perfectly good, free-to-play-once-purchased Battlefield 3 on offer? I don't even know what to say to that.

I'll believe it when I see it. It's all very well getting ideas from people for game modes but taking on board and acting on actual criticism? That's quite a bit harder and I'm sure not worth the effort as the game will sell like an electric fellatio machine regardless.

The Cheezy One:
...thus seperating IW from developers who insist that if you don't enjoy the game, you aren't playing it right.

On the other hand, I've seen developers invite critism before, but mostly just for show. If they actually act on this, I will be very impressed.

The latter part is my issue. I've been banned from websites for devs who claim they welcome criticism before. Some people say they want feedback and interaction, but when they read your responses are very much "screw you" about it.

On the other hand, if they're paying attention, good for them.

Survival mode.. you mean that thing that Gears, Halo, Fear and a myriad of other shooters have had for quite a while now. Not exactly revolutionary stuff, but not unwelcome. I'm surprised it took 'Twitter' feedback for them to think about it.

Wicky_42:

Treblaine:
Dedicated Servers. Dedicated Servers!

DEDICATED SERVERS!

Seriously Bowling, even gears of war is embracing dedicated servers, 90% of the complaints with COD series of late has been lag induced. The series NEEDS dedicated servers in SOME capacity.

Even if the user has to pay a subscription fee (if moderate like $2 a month) then it is the best way to go.

Also don't expect the PC version to be at all well received without dedicated servers.

...

You would honestly pay a subscription to play a generic FPS when there's a perfectly good, free-to-play-once-purchased Battlefield 3 on offer? I don't even know what to say to that.

Hmm, would I pay? I don't know now, at the very least they'd have to throw in the map-packs as well but those are a rip in themselves though should have been bundled from the start or part of official patch.

Better than $60 for an unplayable online.

Seriously, I cannot play Modern Warfare 2 half the time, as for AGES it would continuously search for a good game - I could never play the most obscure game modes - and finally connect and it was a glitch-fest lag central.

Not everyone lives in major cities where they can find 50 other people plugging into the same part of the internet playing COD at the same time! I live in the sticks and I can always find low latency servers for Black Ops and COD4 - on PC of course.

I'm not going to get MW3 JUST because it has dedi servers... I just can guarantee that I will NEVER buy it without dedi servers. MW3 still has to prove itself as really balanced and restrained and I doubt it will do that much.

Now that I think again, no, I wouldn't actually be willing to pay a subscription fee to play MW3 dedicated servers. But I have to say that I got so fucking frustrated by MW2's shitty online connection I was willing to pay A LOT to just get a good low latency connection!!

I know for a fact that it is not that expensive to run servers, an 18 player server is about $15 per month retail. So that's about $10 per game sold, actually probably half that considering most won't play 24/7 or every single night. I jsut know that Activision is the cheapest and greediest publisher in the industry, and they hate the idea of "giving away stuff for free" and at the same time they can't just let unthusiasts rent and run their own servers to host games... except on PC.

Yeah, For PC - AT THE VERY LEAST - do online servers at least as good as Black Ops.

Otherwise no sale, no way.

PS: Battlefield 3 is a completely different kind of game that just happen to have very similar settings. I don't agree with the comparisons. Though I'm seriously considering BF3 but I'm a bit pissed of recently playing team-based games where none of my teammates actually want to work as a team. THAT is fucking frustrating.

It's the reason I don't play TF2 since it went free to play, fucking inundated by idiots where the concept of teamwork in online is just so alien to them they have no comprehension. I have 10% more before ubercharge, I say "WAIT! uber needs jsut a bit more" but they charge in, get slaughtered and I die with 95% uber...

FFFFUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!

Oy, maybe I need to join a Clan.

But sometimes I just want a casual shooter I can quickly drop into and get some frags that isn't a laggy glitchy mess.

Make SP less of a roller coaster track, please.

L3m0n_L1m3:

The Cheezy One:
If they actually act on this, I will be very impressed.

Literally EVERYTHING In Modern Warfare 2 was asked for on IW's twitter page when they asked "What do you want to see in Modern Warfare 2?"

And that was their greatest downfall.

Dedicated Servers.
No Rifle Mounted Grenade Launchers.
No Shotgun secondary.
High cost Killstreaks. ((UAV's should be 5-7 kills instead of 3. And choppers should be 15-20))
No Ghost. ((I dont care if they keep ninja or second chance. But Ghost has to go. It promotes camping.))
Dedicated Servers.
Proper weapon unlocking. ((You shouldnt start with a good weapon, and unlock the worst on in the game 30 levels later))
Completely remove quick scoping. ((I liked how sniping was in Black ops before they they ruined it. How you had to stay scoped in for 3-4 seconds before you shot would go dead straight? That needs to come back))
More attachments, camo's and customization. ((Even if most of it doesn't effect the way the gun preforms. The more you can customize it, the better.))
Dedicated Servers. ((Its not like you CANT afford it. Just dont have another 20 million dollar release party.))

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