Change.org Petition Demands Legal Gay Marriage For Ernie and Bert

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Change.org Petition Demands Legal Gay Marriage For Ernie and Bert

Following the legalization of gay marriage in New York, a Change.org petition is calling for official wedded bliss for one of the world's most famous same-sex couples: Sesame Street's Ernie and Bert.

I'm all for gay marriage. As the joke goes, I believe homosexuals have every right to be just as miserable as the rest of us. And I think New York's decision in June to legalize same-sex marriage is absolutely fabulous. But Ernie and Bert? Seriously?

"In this horrific age of LGBT kids taking their own lives, they need to know that they ARE BEAUTIFUL and their lives are worth living," the "Let Ernie and Bert Get Married on Sesame Street" petition at Change.org reads. "We are not asking that Sesame Street do anything crude or disrespectful. Only that they allow Bert & Ernie to marry or even add a transgender character to the show. It can be done in a tasteful way. Let us teach tolerance of those that are different. Let Sesame Street and PBS Kids be a big part in saving many worthy lives."

"A lot of people have wondered about Bert and Ernie," petition creator Lair Scott told ABC News. "Living in the same bedroom and the same home would make anyone question their sexuality."

I'm not quite so convinced that the sexuality of a couple of felt puppets is really all that interesting to the public at large, but Sesame Street nonetheless responded with a very unambiguous statement, stating once again that Ernie and Bert are not gay.

"Bert and Ernie are best friends. They were created to teach preschoolers that people can be good friends with those who are very different from themselves," the statement said. "Even though they are identified as male characters and possess many human traits and characteristics... they remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation."

This is actually Scott's second petition relating to Ernie and Bert; a few days prior he posted one calling on Sesame Street to "Out Bert and Ernie as Gay." Predictably, what with this being the internet, a number of counter-petitions have also gone up calling on Sesame Street to leave the duo alone.

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What is wrong that idiot.

They are friends, hell one of the best written friends I ever seen. I never saw them as gay, I saw them as roommates.

"... they remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation."

Ha. Leave it to Sesame Street to lay out the truth.

Yeesh. It's shit like this that makes liberals look bad.

It's a children's program involving puppets. Leave your dickery out of it.

woo, people are trying to out puppets...what is the world coming to? haha
and how the hell could you introduce a transgender puppet?

Even if they did I don't think kids would get it.

When I was watching that show as a kid I hardly knew what sexuality was. Good intentions aside I'm not sure if we should be shoving sexuality of any nature into the spotlight for kids that young.

I hate these ultra liberals, they are so dumb. Christ I'm all for gay rights but this is beyond stupid. It's a fucking show for 10 year olds to learn to count, why is this even an issue.

As silly as I kinda think this is, I have to question the Sesame Street comment: If puppets have no sexuality, where did Bert and Ernie come from?

EH

Look Bert and Ernie are not gay.
They might hang out in truck stop bathrooms every now and then but that is as far as it goes.

But really this is a little sad.

Edit:
One sexualized children's puppet ah-ah-ah. Two sexualized children's puppet ah-ah-ah

Found out from Moviebob's tweeting that the original plan was that Bert was Ernie's single-father.
With that beginning idea, is it any wonder that any gay "suggestions" come off awkward?

SurrealFactory:
As silly as I kinda think this is, I have to question the Sesame Street comment: If puppets have no sexuality, where did Bert and Ernie come from?

EH

A Chinese seamstress. Actually with the high quality pupest they are probably not Chinese hehe.

Obviously equality is good but this is just bullshit, Why would the owners of the show have to do anything? its their show and they can figure out what to do with it.

hue

You know, Gay rights and fight the power and all that, but...
Seriously, They're Fucking Puppets.

I'll just leave this right here...

Very amusing.

SurrealFactory:
As silly as I kinda think this is, I have to question the Sesame Street comment: If puppets have no sexuality, where did Bert and Ernie come from?

EH

Where did God come from? The answer's the same; they simply are as they are.

Not that i'm religious, but i'm just trying to bring home the point that they don't have to make biological sense because they're puppets to justify their existence in the same way God doesn't have to for religious types. Ergo, they wouldn't need to be subject to biological conventions like sexuality either.

Though i'm sure Rule #43 artists on DeviantART would probably say otherwise.

This is why I can't claim to be fond of Liberals. I mean, I suppose I prefer them to Conservatives, but at least Conservative stupidity acts overtly against the Left. When Liberals do stupid shit, decent, hardworking Socialists and Communists somehow get lumped in with it.

This comes to mind:

http://www.marx2mao.com/Mao/CL37.html

I know it isn't the same topic really, but it still comes to mind.

Apparently Bert and Ernie themselves have no say in the manner. If some jack off with an internet petition thinks they should be married, they get married, whether or not the characters themselves wish to. Gay power at the cost of free will doesn't sound that fucking appealing to me.

Gralian:

SurrealFactory:
As silly as I kinda think this is, I have to question the Sesame Street comment: If puppets have no sexuality, where did Bert and Ernie come from?

EH

Where did God come from? The answer's the same; they simply are as they are.

Not that i'm religious, but i'm just trying to bring home the point that they don't have to make biological sense because they're puppets to justify their existence in the same way God doesn't have to for religious types. Ergo, they wouldn't need to be subject to biological conventions like sexuality either.

Though i'm sure Rule #43 artists on DeviantART would probably say otherwise.

Well for one thing, God doesn't exist, so it didn't come from anywhere. But on the other hand maybe you shouldn't bring up religion in a topic about puppets -_-

Richard Allen:
I hate these ultra liberals, they are so dumb. Christ I'm all for gay rights but this is beyond stupid. It's a fucking show for 10 year olds to learn to count, why is this even an issue.

If a 10 year old doesn't know how to count, there is a serious issue there. But OT, WHY? What would it accomplish. My 5 year old may be gay, or he may not. But he won't even have an inkling of what that is for like another 7 years.

Why should they have a gay marriage when none (as far as I can remember) of the other characters are married in a straight marriage? Also, none of the characters (again, as far as I can remember) show any signs of romantic or sexual attraction at all, so why is it that Bert and Ernie should be an exception?
I would support a transgender character in the show, but since that would be so easy for the creators to screw up and would most likely just be all around confusing for that age group, I can't really say I want it to happen.

randomfox:

Well for one thing, God doesn't exist, so it didn't come from anywhere. But on the other hand maybe you shouldn't bring up religion in a topic about puppets -_-

Great argument, really. "God doesn't exist and despite that being a debate since time immemorial, i am right and you are wrong so your argument is invalid!"

I'm atheist myself, but that doesn't bloody well give you the right to speak your opinion as fact.

I was using the "Where did God come from?" debate as an analogy to compare to the "Where did the puppets come from?" debate within the Sesame Street universe. I'm not trying to hijack the thread with religion. I'm not trying to start a debate about God. Stop being so defensive and get over yourself.

Edit: And frankly, if you're worried about someone "bringing religion in a topic about puppets", what about the entire topic itself? Bringing sexuality up in a topic about puppets? Big boy issues for big boy topics, i'm afraid. You don't get the right to pick and choose.

Yes lets have a gay marriage that would only involve first teaching kids about sex and then the types of sexual orientation first. I'm sure parents wouldn't be upset about that at all.

Sesame Street already teaches kids to respect those who are different it does not and arguably should not address the issues of sex or anything relating to it. Therefor it's really impossible address sexual orientation since they can't actually say anything about it. Sure you could marry them but I doubt if kids would get it since you can't explain why its important but the fact that no other set of characters has ever been married (as far as I know) means that there is no precedent for it. It's just not an issue they cover.

Have we run out of facepalms yet? I'd like one right now.

Really, this is like asking a scriptwriter of any TV show to make your favorite slash pairing canon. Except dumber.

Gralian:

randomfox:

Well for one thing, God doesn't exist, so it didn't come from anywhere. But on the other hand maybe you shouldn't bring up religion in a topic about puppets -_-

Great argument, really. "God doesn't exist and despite that being a debate since time immemorial, i am right and you are wrong so your argument is invalid!"

I'm atheist myself, but that doesn't bloody well give you the right to speak your opinion as fact.

I was using the "Where did God come from?" debate as an analogy to compare to the "Where did the puppets come from?" debate within the Sesame Street universe. I'm not trying to hijack the thread with religion. I'm not trying to start a debate about God. Stop being so defensive and get over yourself.

Edit: And frankly, if you're worried about someone "bringing religion in a topic about puppets", what about the entire topic itself? Bringing sexuality up in a topic about puppets? Big boy issues for big boy topics, i'm afaid. You don't get the right to pick and choose.

You're the one coming off as defensive, what with putting words in my mouth and calling a single sentence an argument as opposed to, you know, general statement of fact. Especially since you apparently agree. Besides, that's a retarded comparison: you can see Bert and Ernie, and trace their origins back by their serial number to the factory they were made in, and the person who wrote their personalities.

Twilight_guy:
Yes lets have a gay marriage that would only involve first teaching kids about sex and then the types of sexual orientation first. I'm sure parents wouldn't be upset about that at all.

As I've already said, I don't think Bert and Ernie should be married, but teaching kids about marriage isn't necessarily sexual. For example, most kids of the Sesame Street age don't know about sex, but they do already know that people get married.
A simple "Sometimes men and women get married, and sometimes two women get married, and sometimes two men get married" would be the extent of the explanation for Sesame Street's age group.

I always thought the bert and ernie joke was just that, a joke. There is absolutely no sexuality of any kind in sesame street, not that I know of anyways. And quite frankly I don't want to have to explain it to my two year old niece while I'm babysitting her. She can barely count, let alone understand diversity and sexuality. Mommy is mommy and daddy is daddy, that's all that really matters at this stage.(Althoug she does have three grandmothers, and that's not because someone got divorced and remarried)

There's a time and place for everything, and this is neither.

Hahahahaha.

Yeah, that's a little nuts, guy. :P

If you want to actually do something important, try this.

http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-the-deportation-of-anthony-john-makk-and-stop-defending-doma

SurrealFactory:
As silly as I kinda think this is, I have to question the Sesame Street comment: If puppets have no sexuality, where did Bert and Ernie come from?

EH

When a mommy and a daddy love each other very much, and the go on a date to the local puppet factory to take a stitching class, they make things.

Dear Gays.

Leave stuff alone, please.
Yes they are two men who live in the same place and they are friends, wanting them to suddenly be gay for your own agenda is no better than us saying "Lolfags".

Sincerely.
The straight folks.

Petitions like this are stupid let the creators choose who they are. I always saw them as friends never as gay I still don't I still see them as just good friends who are roommates who help children learn that having friends is good.

Lunepyre:
Hahahahaha.

Yeah, that's a little nuts, guy. :P

If you want to actually do something important, try this.

http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-the-deportation-of-anthony-john-makk-and-stop-defending-doma

Or go do something in person, since the vast majority of online petitions don't do crap.

I thought they were brothers.

Roommates? I thought Bert was just taking care of a mentally handicapped guy.

torzath:

Twilight_guy:
Yes lets have a gay marriage that would only involve first teaching kids about sex and then the types of sexual orientation first. I'm sure parents wouldn't be upset about that at all.

As I've already said, I don't think Bert and Ernie should be married, but teaching kids about marriage isn't necessarily sexual. For example, most kids of the Sesame Street age don't know about sex, but they do already know that people get married.
A simple "Sometimes men and women get married, and sometimes two women get married, and sometimes two men get married" would be the extent of the explanation for Sesame Street's age group.

Yeah I thought about that and if the show featured marriages then it'd be cool to have one with two men rather then a man and a woman. Unfortunately, they have never had a marriage on show with any of the characters as far as I know so it would still be sudden and odd to have any sort of marriage.

torzath:
Why should they have a gay marriage when none (as far as I can remember) of the other characters are married in a straight marriage? Also, none of the characters (again, as far as I can remember) show any signs of romantic or sexual attraction at all, so why is it that Bert and Ernie should be an exception?

Actually Luis and Maria (owners of the Fix-It Shop) are married and had a child (who is also on the show) I remember watching them during Maria pregnancy, I don't remember them getting married, or if they were married before entering the show.

I agree with most on this thread, Bert and Ernie are a great example of how two people who are different can life together. I would sometimes wondered if they were brothers (I have siblings of my own and we would fight just like they would). Making them gay and having them get married would be like re-writing the last 20 years of their history. Not to mention it would psych up the homophobes who started the idea that Bert and Ernie were gay in the first place.

If you want a homosexual character in something like Sesame Street, a. it should be one of the humans (the puppets are great, but if it a human it brings in the realness of it), b. be a new character, or even better a new family (less panic from us old time viewers, and they can all work through the issues together) and c. have the same acceptance that everyone else has. True Sesame Street does not have a lot of romantic plot, but it talks about issues that kids face in real life. I've seen episodes about fires, having a baby, death of a beloved elder and more. I would be very interested if they decided to do anything with the subject.

... and I'm off my soap box.

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