Internet Explodes Over Origin's Invasion of Privacy

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This is exactly the sort of action Anonymous should be destroying EA over.

Good luck, I say.

Looks like EA done goofed.

I'm not sure what this will mean for the future of Origin.

The_root_of_all_evil:

TimeLord:

But that's only your account info that you decided to enter in. I would assume that entering details into account would automatically equal sharing it with said company. Not your personal computer data with private family photos and whatever else that you don't want to share.

True, but that's, as they say, "just the start".

I don't think this back and forth really matters to be honest. We both agree that it's shit and should not be allowed.

Nah, I'm not trying to argue with you, just providing a framework so that our friends from Reddit etc. can pick up and run off to their lawyer friends with. :)

Working for a big company I do understand how they have to introduce certain restrictions on what can be done just to stop people abusing the law, but I think that EULAs in general go beyond that and abuse the law themselves.

It's funny, I work for a big company too. I bet you'd be blown away by how few restrictions we have on our jobs xD

EDIT: Haven't seen this in a while, Kross! Feed the hamsters!

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Did you know we have an IRC Channel? Did you know an IRC Channel is a place where you can complain about the forums being down to each other in real time? It's like space but with less stars and more @ signs. And less space. So check it out, it'll be pretty neat: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/chat/

I thought google do the exact same thing.

Stil, this IS annoying due to the fact Origin is on my computer watching me fap, sleep play my TF2.

I am soooooo not impressed by any of this. I have trouble believing this is legal let alone being practiced.
I will not buy Mass Effect 3 if I have to put this abomination on my p.c.
NO WAY.
Please, just make nice with Valve and I'll forget this whole thing ever happened.

EDIT - Does anyone else notice a slight resemblance to Blender in the Origins logo?

http://www.sunjay-varma.com/images/blender_logo_cropped.jpg

So I wanted to see if EA's forums exploded with rage on the matter, and I came across this. Apparently you can choose to opt in/out if you want just like with Valve and Steam.

"There is an option to opt out.

If you go to http://profile.ea.com and login, scroll down to the bottom of the page where it has your billing/shipping information.

Right above this section is the "Contact Options". The first option is to be contacted by EA regarding products & news. The second option is "Share my information with select EA partners". Click on "Update Contact Options" and you can opt-out of the EA Partners section.

EA_AgentX"

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

Still, the EULA is cause for concern.

James Crook:

Lordmarkus:
So I who have already downloaded Origin to play the alpha is pretty much fucked?

Ea has some pretty interesting business models. They make the PC version the best version by a long shot and then they do everything in their might to piss of the customers and destroy their new download service before it's even out of the betaphase.

Ah fuck it, I never thought I'd say this but I'm pre-ordering Modern Warfare 3 instead of Battlefield 3. Player run dedicated servers and steam is enough to make up for a shitty game, even if it's just to prove a point.

Uh, Infinity Ward stripped away the dedicated servers from MW3 again.

Can't find any internet uproar on the matter so I'll satisfy myself with a "source or it did not happen". For the time being I'll make do with the original post saying dedicated servers for MW3.

You know what I don't understand? If you want to make a lot of money and don't care about being ethical about it, why not just sell tobacco?

Next up

To use origin you must uninstall any game that isint from origin.

Idiots, thats all the can be said.

Battlefield 3 on steam please!

i personally give EA untill SWTOR is released to change that shit, or else they will loose a customer and the internet will gain a pirate...

Monoochrom:

Richardplex:
Meh, I'm buying anyway, I don't care what they find out about me, if they'd ask I'd tell them anyway.

How many sexual Partners have you had?

Are you homosexuell, heterosexuell, Bisexuell or perhaps Asexuell?

What do you prefer, dogs or cats?

What is your Pin Number?

What is the Login Data for your PayPal/Ebay/Amazon/Steam Account?

What is the Login Data for your Forum Account on the Escapist?

Why on earth is this such a non-issue for you? *facepalm*

Oh and keep in mind, as with a installed Origin, you have no choice to answer these or not.

None, I'm a virgin and probably will be for along time. Heterosexual. I'm indifferent really. I don't have a credit card. No idea for the steam one, would be nice for them to tell me if they find out =D. And I'd like to know why they'd care about the escapist. This is a non-issue because if someone asks me something, I'd tell them. I have no care about what people think of me, I'm not embarrassed or insecure about anything I do. Besides, EA are just dicks, not thieves. And I can already hear the "what about project 10$ hurr hurr hurr" (not from you necessarily, just from the internet). So yeah, I'm fairly indifferent about this.

I think someone has already said something along the lines of what I'm going to say, but every time I see a trailer for BF3 I think "OOO DO WANT!", but every time I see something about it here I think "What?! I'm not buying that!"

The-Epicly-Named-Man:
That probably didn't come across very well, I wasn't defending them, it was just that people have already decided whether they want Origin or not. The not party (which I'd include myself in) keeps whining about what to do, or just flat out saying "EA, don't do this", neither of which accomplish anything. You can only decide your actions, not those of others, and those are pretty much you're three options if you don't want Origin, I mainly highlighted them as a (bad in retrospect) way of telling people to choose one and stop moaning.

That moaning is the only way things will get changed at EA. I think it is obvious that the only reason people care is EA has some games coming out that they want to play.

Also 'just getting the non-PC version' is not really solving the problem. You have to get no version AND tell EA why they are losing money. That is the way to get change to happen.

They're doing an R.Kelly and pissing in our faces! Then charging money for it afterwards!

Too bad this, EA have some very interesting titles coming out, but they seem to wanna buttfuck themselves just to see how much it hurts..

I'll make sure I just watch a lot of seriously sick porn then.
Weird stuff.

After reading this, i have choosen to cancel my preorder of battlefeild 3, only downside is i wont be able to really speak about the game as a whole.

So because I installed this simply so I could play Mass Effect 2 without a cd, now EA gets to poke around my hard drive... Fuck, had I known that I would have just stuck with the disk.

Wow it looked like EA had a game that could really compete with COD sales wise. But it seems that EA has shot itself in both feet with all this origin business. Just more reasons for me never to touch an EA game.

Ultimace:
So I wanted to see if EA's forums exploded with rage on the matter, and I came across this. Apparently you can choose to opt in/out if you want just like with Valve and Steam.

"There is an option to opt out.

If you go to http://profile.ea.com and login, scroll down to the bottom of the page where it has your billing/shipping information.

Right above this section is the "Contact Options". The first option is to be contacted by EA regarding products & news. The second option is "Share my information with select EA partners". Click on "Update Contact Options" and you can opt-out of the EA Partners section.

EA_AgentX"

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

Still, the EULA is cause for concern.

um...
That means shit.

EA is still allowed to collect, scan, and basically prod around your hard-drive and anything connected to your computer through the ToS for orgin... you give them the green light to spy on you; But because you clicked the box, they promise they won't share all this data they collected from your computer with anyone.

I still don't think this ToS shite should be legal.

They know perfectly well that 99.9% of the people who install things that require singing a ToS are not going to read 30 pages of legal jargon. And they shouldn't bloody well have to. It's a sad state of affairs when we can't even use a mainstream program by a so called reputable firm without having to worry about singing a spiteful contract that could buttfuck you later on.

These things should not be binding. Especially not when they abuse them like this. The only power these ToS' should have is the power to stop people from abusing their software. They should not have the ability to let them collect all manner of data or whatever else the litigious twats think they can get away with.

Sartan0:

The-Epicly-Named-Man:
That probably didn't come across very well, I wasn't defending them, it was just that people have already decided whether they want Origin or not. The not party (which I'd include myself in) keeps whining about what to do, or just flat out saying "EA, don't do this", neither of which accomplish anything. You can only decide your actions, not those of others, and those are pretty much you're three options if you don't want Origin, I mainly highlighted them as a (bad in retrospect) way of telling people to choose one and stop moaning.

That moaning is the only way things will get changed at EA. I think it is obvious that the only reason people care is EA has some games coming out that they want to play.

Also 'just getting the non-PC version' is not really solving the problem. You have to get no version AND tell EA why they are losing money. That is the way to get change to happen.

I agree with the second part (I was considering getting the PS3 version 'till this whole Origin came out), but I'm not so sure about the moaning. In fact, I think that your second point is the better solution to the problem, the whining inevitably leads to some people going the opposite way just go against the grain, and makes EA more customers. Not that I'm taking that stance because I'm sick of listening to it.

How has Activision not jumped all over this?

"Buy MW3! It's like BF3 except it won't sell all of your personal information to unnamed third parties!"

Probably because they're planning to do something similar.

I hate the future.

Well i'm never using Origin again EVER!!!!!

...Oh wait, The old republic...all is forgiven.

Ultimace:
So I wanted to see if EA's forums exploded with rage on the matter, and I came across this. Apparently you can choose to opt in/out if you want just like with Valve and Steam.

"There is an option to opt out.

If you go to http://profile.ea.com and login, scroll down to the bottom of the page where it has your billing/shipping information.

Right above this section is the "Contact Options". The first option is to be contacted by EA regarding products & news. The second option is "Share my information with select EA partners". Click on "Update Contact Options" and you can opt-out of the EA Partners section.

EA_AgentX"

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

Still, the EULA is cause for concern.

This is why it's important to read previous posts. So yes, there is an opt-out of the 3rd party data sharing, put back your pitchforks people.

This whole "EA screws up again" thing going on over the internet is starting to sound really dodgy. EA is not the first company to fuck up, nor did it fuck up so bad to begin with. Sure, they made dumb choices regarding BF3, but every company makes dumb choices.
Personally, I think every Publisher company has at least an ounce of douche baggery in them. Why? Because their goal is to make money! And they want to reach that goal, even if that means walking over the costumers sometimes.

So here's a thought. Before going all "Hail Big Brother" when a news story pops up and jumping in the two minutes of hate, make sure you find out for yourself, do a little research and wait for the product to be definable (i.e.: until it launches) before going in the "Yes/No" stance.

I'm actually in the "so what?" camp because I am so extremely unsurprised, today you shall fear the company you buy games from not that wimpy love/hate thing fear because they know everything...
(Yes I'm really don't want anyone nosing around in my pc, but I really wan't to play BF3)

So don't even act surprised when your creditcard bill rockets either in "fees to us" or because they've gotten hacked I won't anyway...

O well I'm gonna continue using my computer playing and jumping on any train to sue these lovable companies when my creditcard gets hijacked..

Why do companies make not pirating their products such a difficult thing to do?

I would rather pay for a hard copy of the game so the developers got some money, throw it away then pirate a copy without this ridiculousness than allow such intrusions on my privacy.

Sadly this means that EA is probably, and almost rightly so, destroyed by the internet. They need to be taught a lesson although I think a legal route would be better. This will sadly hurt EA from doing its job, I am just worried they wont get this sorted out by October. And if they don't while I probably will still play BF3, they still lost a large part of their PC gamers and as such online is going to SUCK.

Meh, I'd have gotten BF3 for the fun. I may have even tried this origin to atleast give it a fair outing before saying "i dont like it". But in recent times it seems to me the only privacy left to you is if you are overly cautious about everything you download/install/play/use/look at
I for one will now, not even give this a second look until this is changed. May not bother some, but I like my privacy, most likely because everyone from my friends (via facebook) to giant corporate entities (EA) want to take it away from me.
No thanks, i'll play something else.

Abandon4093:
I still don't think this ToS shite should be legal.

They know perfectly well that 99.9% of the people who install things that require singing a ToS are not going to read 30 pages of legal jargon. And they shouldn't bloody well have to. It's a sad state of affairs when we can't even use a mainstream program by a so called reputable firm without having to worry about singing a spiteful contract that could buttfuck you later on.

These things should not be binding. Especially not when they abuse them like this. The only power these ToS' should have is the power to stop people from abusing their software. They should not have the ability to let them collect all manner of data or whatever else the litigious twats think they can get away with.

That is a long way of saying you don't wish to be a responsible consumer. Is 16 pages really so mortifying that you'd rather let shit like this slide?

I mean, I'm not going to lie and say I read every ToS I get shown but from people like EA or Ubisoft, people known for having sleazy practices. You bet your ass I put on my tiny librarian glasses.

The problem is they are levying exclusivity to a customer base known for hating a business practice and feeding it.

Some people can not live without the latest and greatest. These people are why ToS's exist. Because they care way less about their consumer rights as they do playing the Third Battlefield Game.

The most hilarious thing is parents have kids who sign for this. How many of those "I am 13 or over" boxes have you clicked over the years and not read? Are they really expecting 13 to be the age kids start reading "litigious shit"? That's whats scary. Not that grown ass men don't read. That they expect little ass kids to read. That's downright statutory.

... now I'm never going to play 'Mass Effect 3'. Thank you very much, EA.

Richardplex:

Monoochrom:

Richardplex:
Meh, I'm buying anyway, I don't care what they find out about me, if they'd ask I'd tell them anyway.

How many sexual Partners have you had?

Are you homosexuell, heterosexuell, Bisexuell or perhaps Asexuell?

What do you prefer, dogs or cats?

What is your Pin Number?

What is the Login Data for your PayPal/Ebay/Amazon/Steam Account?

What is the Login Data for your Forum Account on the Escapist?

Why on earth is this such a non-issue for you? *facepalm*

Oh and keep in mind, as with a installed Origin, you have no choice to answer these or not.

None, I'm a virgin and probably will be for along time. Heterosexual. I'm indifferent really. I don't have a credit card. No idea for the steam one, would be nice for them to tell me if they find out =D. And I'd like to know why they'd care about the escapist. This is a non-issue because if someone asks me something, I'd tell them. I have no care about what people think of me, I'm not embarrassed or insecure about anything I do. Besides, EA are just dicks, not thieves. And I can already hear the "what about project 10$ hurr hurr hurr" (not from you necessarily, just from the internet). So yeah, I'm fairly indifferent about this.

And yet you fail to simply answer the given questions. I don't care about your opinion. I asked you questions, I want answers, nothing else. Be glad that I'm actually making clear what I want to know, unlike EA who would be doing the equivilant of checking all your paperwork to find what they want.

Shame, I was hoping battlefield 3 would be the one to slay the foul Call of Duty beast. Oh well, I suppose I shouldn't have put my faith in a company run exclusively by 12-year-olds.

*Clutches PS2 and glances nervously around*
It's alright... You want hurt me, will you boy? Heh heh... PS3 took all my information and Origin is watching my every move, but you wont ever betray me right? *starts softly crying* RIGHT, PS2? You still have physical copies of your games and the swap trick still works on you, right? RIGHT? *starts sobbing uncontrollably* YOU AND GAMECUBE ARE THE ONLY ONES I CAN TRUST ANYMORE! WAAAH!

Invasion of privacy. AGAIN.

Why is EA getting away with this?

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