Anonymous Unwittingly Funds Time Warner

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Anonymous Unwittingly Funds Time Warner

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The Guy Fawkes mask is the symbol of Anonymous but guess who licenses that likeness?

The cheeky guys over at 4Chan that formed the basis for the amorphous Anonymous hacktivist group wanted to hide their identities when they congregated for a protest outside the Church of Scientology. They settled on the Guy Fawkes mask as worn by V in the adaptation of Alan Moore's V for Vendetta because the anarchic hero seemed to align with their philosophy. The group first used the masks in a protest in 2008, two years after the film V for Vendetta was released by Warner Bros. Pictures. Since then, members of Anonymous have purchased the masks and worn them whenever they have assembled in public, contributing to the Guy Fawkes mask being a hit at retail stores and online - Amazon.com lists the mask as its bestselling. But because Warner Bros. owns the license and receives a portion of the proceeds from each mask sold, Anonymous actually lines the pockets of the corporate overlords they presume to hate.

"We sell over 100,000 of these masks a year, and it's by far the best-selling mask that we sell," said Howard Beige from Rubie's Costumes, the company that makes the mask. "In comparison, we usually only sell 5,000 or so of our other masks."

"It's a symbol of what Anonymous stands for, of fighting evil governments," said a protester wearing the mask last month outside another Scientology protest. "You can get a mask and join the fight, too! But I heard the costume store is sold out until Friday."

Here's terrible twist of logic: The Church of Scientology is known to receive large monetary donations from people who earn money from Hollywood. A portion of those famous actors and filmmakers have probably worked on a project that was produced by one of the many companies in the Time Warner umbrella (HBO, New Line Cinema, Turner Broadcasting to name a few) and received payment from them.

Therefore, each time an Anonymous member buys a mask, you could argue that they are sending money to Scientology.

Of course, things like this happen all of the time. One can never be sure the money you fork over for something actually goes to a cause that you would want to support. There's no way to know, for example, if the money you spent on canned corn in 2004 wasn't used to fund terrorism in Saudi Arabia or George W. Bush's reelection. Consumers are often told to vote with their wallet - and they still should whenever an issue is apparent to them - but the reality is that we can never know for certain whether the money that leaves our hands is not somehow used in a way that we wouldn't like.

That's why every good Anonymous member should steal the Guy Fawkes mask whenever they have a big protest coming up. It's the only way to be sure.

(Please don't steal. The above recommendation is for ironic purposes only.)

Source: New York Times

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And the symbol is flawed as well.... "Fawkes was a fighter for Spain and the Catholic Church. His goal was to end the slightly more egalitarian Protestant revolution in England by restoring Catholic domination." (quote from Cracked.com)
P.S. First!

I thought this was obvious to all, licenced merch always feed money back to the man.

DonTsetsi:
And the symbol is flawed as well....

Aint that the truth, taking on the image of a conservative religious extremist.

DonTsetsi:
And the symbol is flawed as well....
P.S. First!

You mean that Guy Fawkes was actually a Catholic working for the Church to overthrow Parliament? Yeah, Cracked has some good articles. ;)

God I hate Anonymous.

So a mask that has been around for centuries is used in a movie, and that means Warner Bros. owns it? How does that even work? But Anonymous are a bunch of idiots anyways, so I suppose this is fitting for them.

"Thus begins a race for online DIY for making Guy Fawkes/Anonymous masks."

Well, I'm going to be wearing a Plague Doctor masks just because they're awesome and, comon, how often do you get an excuse to wear a plague doctor mask?

I mean, er, I'm going to be wearing an ELEPHANT MASK and NOT A PLAGUE DOCTOR MASK. Yeah...

Nonconformist tendencies are observed and processed by the corporate overlords who then feed back merchandise relating to the nonconformist subculture that was railing against them in the first place.

This should be obvious to all- just goes to show how immature so many of these protestors are.

PS. I bought one of these masks, but it was because I'm a huge fan of the comic.

What I want to know is who is making money off all these Che Guevara shirts you see people (plenty of whom probably have little knowledge of what Che did, what he stood for etc. but that's beside the point) wearing. You just know that'll be some shady capitalist corporation that Che would likely despise.

And the relevant parties care... how?

What kind of retarded logic is that? That's like saying that by paying my phone bill, I'm supporting Mcdonalds because one of my phone companies employees likes to eat there.

Sure, it's technically true as far the money trail goes, but get real if you think it's news or that anyone else should care in the least.

Ah, irony at its finest. It's been a long time since I've seen a perfectly-brewed scenario.

Jadak:
What kind of retarded logic is that? That's like saying that by paying my phone bill, I'm supporting Mcdonalds because one of that companies employees likes to eat there.

The great circle of life and all that.

Tee hee hee delicious irony. Since I hate Anonymous I'm reveling in the irony of this. Esp. since I always thought their choice of using the Guy Fawkes masks to be a piss poor one.

I think the symbol is more powerful than the money trail, and people don't buy it cos it's guyfawkes they buy it because it's V and V probably symbolises who we all wish we could be. One man or many with the power to change things.

I actually think anon gives the establishment something to fear and that's healthy. It may be a lumbering mass of chaotic good and blackhats all mish mashed into some sort of movement but at the end of the day being anon represents a sort of freedom, the fact anon exists shows that people are sick of the BS and getting boned by the money mafia.

If you join lulzec or anon facebook groups its mostly links to news stories and information regarding hypocrisy, oppression and corruption.

It's nice to know that people are willing to fight. Mostly I think it makes people feel empowered and that's a good thing sometimes.

I for one don't know how we are going to get out of this global economic crisis shiz but at least the existence of Anons brings light to the fact that something is wrong and the establishment isn't as powerful as previously thought and if we want to we can do something about it. The first step is enlighten people and all the news stories about Anons shows people that they aren't powerless and when people research it they will find the links to whats going on, the online documentary streaming sites and they will learn new things.

Greg Tito:

"It's a symbol of what Anonymous stands for, of fighting evil governments," said a protester wearing the mask last month outside another Scientology protest. "You can get a mask and join the fight, too! But I heard the costume store is sold out until Friday."

That's cute. Anonymous crack me up sometimes, really. I wonder how your average Anonymous member would fare in Libya right now?

This actually beats the irony of using the symbol of Guy Fawkes to oppose "evil government".

Protip folks, Fawkes wasn't opposing a dictatorship, he was trying to establish one.

On a side note, since when have Time Warner owned British history? Is it common for companies to hold IP rights over historical figures? That seems a bit dubious to me - I mean, imagine hearing that, say, McDonalds brought the rights to Abraham Lincoln...

Well, Fawkes WAS said to be the only man to enter Parliament with honest intentions.

The obvious solution: Anonymous funds a dedicated effort to build a Guy Fawkes-mask factory in a country with no copyright agreements with the US.

I wonder if the factory workers would wear nametags....

MarsProbe:

Greg Tito:

"It's a symbol of what Anonymous stands for, of fighting evil governments," said a protester wearing the mask last month outside another Scientology protest. "You can get a mask and join the fight, too! But I heard the costume store is sold out until Friday."

That's cute. Anonymous crack me up sometimes, really. I wonder how your average Anonymous member would fare in Libya right now?

Yeah, because that quote wasn't completely made up at all. I'm sure the Escapist has reporters on the field interviewing Anonymous.

And, surprise! there's no integrity issues because anyone can be a member of Anonymous.

People should just make up their own damn masks and be done wih this nonsense.

Wait, you can have rights over that? Isn't it like a British folk symbol? Are they going to trademark maple leaves next?

DonTsetsi:
And the symbol is flawed as well.... "Fawkes was a fighter for Spain and the Catholic Church. His goal was to end the slightly more egalitarian Protestant revolution in England by restoring Catholic domination." (quote from Cracked.com)
P.S. First!

Yeah, though Alan Moore is more to blame for that one than Anonymous.

I guess it's more memorable than a ski mask.
Oh wait, that already has another symbolic association..

Once again I am forced to bring out the battered and well used "FUCKING DUH!" from the cupboard.
This is not news. This is pretty damn obvious and people figured this shit out years ago.

Surely Anon just need to set up a slightly altered, copyright dodging version of the mask, and flood the markets with cheaper copies on ebay and the like :)

That'd be the 'anon' way of dealing with this.

After all, aren't people wearing these as a show of support for Anon, not as a fan of the V for Vendetta movie?

I'm just personally gutted that Alan Moore doesn't have the rights to it and everything else to do with his work.

Everyone hates big corporations, but modern life just would not be possible without them.

And by the way, since when has the church of Scientology been considered a totalitarian government. If you don't like them, just ignore them!

If these people had real balls, they would do this kind of crap in Syria or Iran.

The_root_of_all_evil:

DonTsetsi:
And the symbol is flawed as well....
P.S. First!

You mean that Guy Fawkes was actually a Catholic working for the Church to overthrow Parliament? Yeah, Cracked has some good articles. ;)

Are you being sarcastic or do you actually think that Guy Fawkes worked for the Catholic Church?

Low Key:
So a mask that has been around for centuries is used in a movie, and that means Warner Bros. owns it? How does that even work? But Anonymous are a bunch of idiots anyways, so I suppose this is fitting for them.

Daverson:
On a side note, since when have Time Warner owned British history? Is it common for companies to hold IP rights over historical figures?

The Random One:
Wait, you can have rights over that? Isn't it like a British folk symbol? Are they going to trademark maple leaves next?

I think the point of the article is that Warner Bros. happens to have a line of licensed Guy Fawkes masks, and that line is where most of the masks Anons end up buying come from. There are certainly other ones being sold; if I understand correctly, they've been around and in use in England since before V for Vendetta was even written, and that's what Moore was referencing in the first place by giving him one. But they weren't really widely available in the US until Warner started licensing them as tie-ins for the movie. And since the vast majority of Anons are Americans, well, you do the math.

So that just leaves the question of why any of the licensees thought they needed to buy the license in the first place to make and sell them. Maybe they figured - at the time - that they weren't likely to sell very well without explicit (and definitely copyright-protected) V for Vendetta branding on the packaging.

Also,

Greg Tito:
That's why every good Anonymous member should steal the Guy Fawkes mask whenever they have a big protest coming up. It's the only way to be sure.

(Please don't steal. The above recommendation is for ironic purposes only.)

now I know why anarchists are so into theft.

DonTsetsi:
And the symbol is flawed as well.... "Fawkes was a fighter for Spain and the Catholic Church. His goal was to end the slightly more egalitarian Protestant revolution in England by restoring Catholic domination." (quote from Cracked.com)
P.S. First!

That article is a load of bullshit. The gunpowder plot was in part motivated by Spain washing its hands off of the situation in England and Guy Fawkes definitely didn't work for the church. And it ignores the fact that Catholics were being persecuted in England.

Shortly after realizing this, Anonymous was dissolved after a series of in-fightings and losses of wills to live. No one really cared since Anonymous doesn't really lend itself to any real audience because it pisses off as many people as it does herald.

Blitzwing:

DonTsetsi:
And the symbol is flawed as well.... "Fawkes was a fighter for Spain and the Catholic Church. His goal was to end the slightly more egalitarian Protestant revolution in England by restoring Catholic domination." (quote from Cracked.com)
P.S. First!

That article is a load of bullshit. The gunpowder plot was in part motivated by Spain washing its hands off of the situation in England and Guy Fawkes definitely didn't work for the church. And it ignores the fact that Catholics were being persecuted in England.

What, a Cracked article was full of shit? Wonders never end.

Ok, yeah, in retrospect, it does need to be pointed out, because people believe it for some reason. But then, same could be said of the OP.

Bobic:
What I want to know is who is making money off all these Che Guevara shirts you see people (plenty of whom probably have little knowledge of what Che did, what he stood for etc. but that's beside the point) wearing. You just know that'll be some shady capitalist corporation that Che would likely despise.

I have brought this up before in San Francisco at a shirt shop and got dirty looks from quite a few people yet it is true

ot - I love the irony in this but common sense half the time doesn't apply to people with an agenda but that is how things go I suppose, let them be idiots

They should wear paper plates with eye holes punched in them held on with string.

That would stick it to the man.

Blitzwing:

The_root_of_all_evil:

DonTsetsi:
And the symbol is flawed as well....
P.S. First!

You mean that Guy Fawkes was actually a Catholic working for the Church to overthrow Parliament? Yeah, Cracked has some good articles. ;)

Are you being sarcastic or do you actually think that Guy Fawkes worked for the Catholic Church?

Guy Fawkes was a fighter for the Spanish and the Church - hence his dress. He was in Parliament trying to kill Oliver Cromwell/King James I and put the Catholic Church back in control of the country. Had it not been for the Black Plague postponing the meeting of Parliament - and the anonymous snitch (oooh the irony), we would be a European Theocracy by now.

He may not have been working for the Church. But he was working to exactly the same ends as the Church.

Wiki:
Guy Fawkes (13 April 1570 - 31 January 1606), also known as Guido Fawkes, the name he adopted while fighting for the Spanish in the Low Countries, belonged to a group of provincial English Catholics who planned the failed Gunpowder Plot of 1605.

Nope, no sarcasm. Even V's job was allegedly to bring down the Government, V never succeeded (directly) Evie may have misinterpreted him.

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