WoW Producer Discusses Killing Deathwing, Raid Finder and Everything Patch 4.3

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WoW Producer Discusses Killing Deathwing, Raid Finder and Everything Patch 4.3

The Lead Producer of World of Warcraft gives the skinny on the ultimate patch of Cataclysm.

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I can't help but lol at "Looking For Raid." People are already far too retarded to get through heroics, let alone a raid.

Micalas:
I can't help but lol at "Looking For Raid." People are already far too retarded to get through heroics, let alone a raid.

I agree but it will apparently have a lower then regular difficulty.

This is my take on 4.3 being the last raid of Cataclysm expansion.
To quote my guild message of the day:

'I am excited for patch 4.3 because it is the end of the Cataclysm expansion. !@#$ Cata, and %^-* Noth.'

Don't think too much into the Noth bit, it's an inside joke.

We raided and quested together through the tail end of Burning Crusade and all through Wrath, but the scope of our experience together in Cataclysm is a fleeting experience leveling in Vash and the first two bosses of BoT. It's been pretty boring. The raids just don't interest us, and the lore is especially retarded. That said, I've enjoyed hanging out with the Aspects, especially Ysera.

Deathwing, on the other hand, well. You ever played Counter-Strike or similar lowest-common-denominator online game, and seen someone with a player name as something to make them look and sound hardcore? 'Deathwing, Aspect of Death - I can't possibly perceive him as a threat because I can't help but see him as a loser with a %**!-size compensation complex with a ridiculous name like that.

I couldn't immerse myself in the questing like I usually have been able to in the high-end zones. The rest of Azeroth, fine, but the 80-85 experience was cancerously boring for me and my bros, and it's something I don't want to repeat.
Go over here, 2-3, collect some items, 3-4, Azeroth is in pain/threatened/oh !@#$ Deathwing 5-6, cutscene 7-8, repeat 9-10.

So I welcome the end of Cataclysm, and look with hope to the future for some interesting content.

Oh, and kill Garrosh. I don't care how; just bring me a corpse.

I was kinda hoping for a couple of content patches prior to this one, but ah well, can't have everything.
Looking for Raid won't take off properly beyond Tol Barad I don't think.
Most raiding guilds have policy that limits pugging and people who aren't in a raiding guild are so probably for good reason.
It only takes one troll to ruin a 5 man. You have twice the chance of encountering one in bloody raid finder in a 10 man.

The transmogrification system is an utter joke, just to warn people. They are restricting legendaries out of it (in case you enjoyed the look of them), as well as any joke/silly item even if it otherwise fits within its requirements.

And boy I can't wait for that gosh darn raid finder. As if the dungeon finder worked well enough at end-game, with all the arseholes that filled it (in my experience at least) who'd vote-kick or leave at the drop of a dime, lets just times that number by five and make them do content that requires much more thought.

And again, Blizzard is ignoring what happened with the last two expansions, by making special "loot" levels for the finding raids. At least this time its at the end of the expansion life cycle so they don't end up having to institute a mandatory "debuff" for everyone just to get their stats back down to where Blizzard wants it.

Already on the final patch? Wasn't Cataclysm only released this year?

I wonder how long people will be killing Deathwing for when the patch is released.

Sansha:
This is my take on 4.3 being the last raid of Cataclysm expansion.
To quote my guild message of the day:

'I am excited for patch 4.3 because it is the end of the Cataclysm expansion. !@#$ Cata, and %^-* Noth.'

Don't think too much into the Noth bit, it's an inside joke.

We raided and quested together through the tail end of Burning Crusade and all through Wrath, but the scope of our experience together in Cataclysm is a fleeting experience leveling in Vash and the first two bosses of BoT. It's been pretty boring. The raids just don't interest us, and the lore is especially retarded. That said, I've enjoyed hanging out with the Aspects, especially Ysera.

Deathwing, on the other hand, well. You ever played Counter-Strike or similar lowest-common-denominator online game, and seen someone with a player name as something to make them look and sound hardcore? 'Deathwing, Aspect of Death - I can't possibly perceive him as a threat because I can't help but see him as a loser with a %**!-size compensation complex with a ridiculous name like that.

I couldn't immerse myself in the questing like I usually have been able to in the high-end zones. The rest of Azeroth, fine, but the 80-85 experience was cancerously boring for me and my bros, and it's something I don't want to repeat.
Go over here, 2-3, collect some items, 3-4, Azeroth is in pain/threatened/oh !@#$ Deathwing 5-6, cutscene 7-8, repeat 9-10.

So I welcome the end of Cataclysm, and look with hope to the future for some interesting content.

Oh, and kill Garrosh. I don't care how; just bring me a corpse.

You sound like you'd enjoy GW2 when it comes out, if you haven't already I suggest you give it a look and convince your guild to check it out too.

You wouldn't even need to quit WoW if you didn't want to.

I speak as a man with a large amount of very in-depth research into GW2.

Raid finder? Because dungeon finder did so much for the games community sections.

Ickorus:
Already on the final patch? Wasn't Cataclysm only released this year?

I wonder how long people will be killing Deathwing for when the patch is released.

Sansha:
This is my take on 4.3 being the last raid of Cataclysm expansion.
To quote my guild message of the day:

'I am excited for patch 4.3 because it is the end of the Cataclysm expansion. !@#$ Cata, and %^-* Noth.'

Don't think too much into the Noth bit, it's an inside joke.

We raided and quested together through the tail end of Burning Crusade and all through Wrath, but the scope of our experience together in Cataclysm is a fleeting experience leveling in Vash and the first two bosses of BoT. It's been pretty boring. The raids just don't interest us, and the lore is especially retarded. That said, I've enjoyed hanging out with the Aspects, especially Ysera.

Deathwing, on the other hand, well. You ever played Counter-Strike or similar lowest-common-denominator online game, and seen someone with a player name as something to make them look and sound hardcore? 'Deathwing, Aspect of Death - I can't possibly perceive him as a threat because I can't help but see him as a loser with a %**!-size compensation complex with a ridiculous name like that.

I couldn't immerse myself in the questing like I usually have been able to in the high-end zones. The rest of Azeroth, fine, but the 80-85 experience was cancerously boring for me and my bros, and it's something I don't want to repeat.
Go over here, 2-3, collect some items, 3-4, Azeroth is in pain/threatened/oh !@#$ Deathwing 5-6, cutscene 7-8, repeat 9-10.

So I welcome the end of Cataclysm, and look with hope to the future for some interesting content.

Oh, and kill Garrosh. I don't care how; just bring me a corpse.

You sound like you'd enjoy GW2 when it comes out, if you haven't already I suggest you give it a look and convince your guild to check it out too.

You wouldn't even need to quit WoW if you didn't want to.

I speak as a man with a large amount of very in-depth research into GW2.

Not sure if serious, but hell yeah brother - I'm picking up GW2 on release day. I can't wait, it looks stupid fun.

Sansha:

Oh, and kill Garrosh. I don't care how; just bring me a corpse.

Amen; and bring back Magni, kill Varian, put Magni in charge of the Alliance(crank the industry, honor, and beer up to 11), and but Vol'Jinn in charge of the Horde.

Maybe they can try and redeem the IP from its status as pop culture cluster fuck.

Who else wants this new Pandaren thing to be Warcraft 4? Because I would love that!

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

Sansha:

Oh, and kill Garrosh. I don't care how; just bring me a corpse.

Amen; and bring back Magni, kill Varian, put Magni in charge of the Alliance(crank the industry, honor, and beer up to 11), and but Vol'Jinn in charge of the Horde.

Maybe they can try and redeem the IP from its status as pop culture cluster fuck.

This is a storyline I'd actually like to see done. King Magni takes leadership of the Alliance while Prince Anduin prepares to take his father's throne. I think the kid would make a good leader of the Alliance and King of Stormwind.
Vol'jin... I dunno if he'd make a good Warchief of the Horde. Varok Saurfang or Thrall's return would be better. A lot of people say Baine or Sylvanas should be, but imo Baine takes too long to make tough decisions and flat-out refuses aggressive action... and Sylvanas is just nasty.

I respect Varian, though, and I'm Horde. So that speaks to Blizzard's writing.

franconbean:
I was kinda hoping for a couple of content patches prior to this one, but ah well, can't have everything.
Looking for Raid won't take off properly beyond Tol Barad I don't think.
Most raiding guilds have policy that limits pugging and people who aren't in a raiding guild are so probably for good reason.
It only takes one troll to ruin a 5 man. You have twice the chance of encountering one in bloody raid finder in a 10 man.

Well, I'm sure a fair few aren't in a raiding guild because their's fell apart at the end of Wrath... Man that pissed me off <.<

I think it's HILARIOUS that people are upset over how fast the expansion went. I bet these were the same people who complained over how long Wrath was. I'm also not surprises that 4.3 is the final patch. Remember, 3.3 was the final Wrath expansion, and no one wants another 3.2... Sure, Cataclysm has flown by, but as someone who let their sub drop because of the dungeons, I see this as a good thing. Hopefully, they will go back to the idea they had in Wrath where dungeons were meant to be a quick and fun thing, not a slug fest requiring coordination for every pull. Keep that in the raids, and leave the dungeons for smashing enemies and getting loot in 30 minutes or less.

Sansha:

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

Sansha:

Oh, and kill Garrosh. I don't care how; just bring me a corpse.

Amen; and bring back Magni, kill Varian, put Magni in charge of the Alliance(crank the industry, honor, and beer up to 11), and but Vol'Jinn in charge of the Horde.

Maybe they can try and redeem the IP from its status as pop culture cluster fuck.

This is a storyline I'd actually like to see done. King Magni takes leadership of the Alliance while Prince Anduin prepares to take his father's throne. I think the kid would make a good leader of the Alliance and King of Stormwind.
Vol'jin... I dunno if he'd make a good Warchief of the Horde. Varok Saurfang or Thrall's return would be better. A lot of people say Baine or Sylvanas should be, but imo Baine takes too long to make tough decisions and flat-out refuses aggressive action... and Sylvanas is just nasty.

I respect Varian, though, and I'm Horde. So that speaks to Blizzard's writing.

He was 12 by the start of World of Warcraft. Shouldnt he be like.. 20 soon?

Nikolaz72:

Sansha:

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

Amen; and bring back Magni, kill Varian, put Magni in charge of the Alliance(crank the industry, honor, and beer up to 11), and but Vol'Jinn in charge of the Horde.

Maybe they can try and redeem the IP from its status as pop culture cluster fuck.

This is a storyline I'd actually like to see done. King Magni takes leadership of the Alliance while Prince Anduin prepares to take his father's throne. I think the kid would make a good leader of the Alliance and King of Stormwind.
Vol'jin... I dunno if he'd make a good Warchief of the Horde. Varok Saurfang or Thrall's return would be better. A lot of people say Baine or Sylvanas should be, but imo Baine takes too long to make tough decisions and flat-out refuses aggressive action... and Sylvanas is just nasty.

I respect Varian, though, and I'm Horde. So that speaks to Blizzard's writing.

He was 12 by the start of World of Warcraft. Shouldnt he be like.. 20 soon?

Well they made a special mid-late teens model just for him, so that's showing some progress. King Anduin - sounds about right, doesn't it?

Ickorus:
Already on the final patch? Wasn't Cataclysm only released this year?

Looks like they'll be moving closer to a yearly release schedule. Wouldn't surprise me if the next expansion comes out in the next six months.

coldalarm:

Ickorus:
Already on the final patch? Wasn't Cataclysm only released this year?

Looks like they'll be moving closer to a yearly release schedule. Wouldn't surprise me if the next expansion comes out in the next six months.

It was released Dec last year, we've only just gotten news of 4.3 lately, it isn't even on the PTR, you won't see a release till either Dec or Jan at the latest and the raid tier itself will last at the very least 6 months, so you're looking at a year and half for the expac.

Sansha:
*snip*

Remember how Illidan was supposed to be "the end of Burning Crusade"? Yeah don't kid yourself mate, unless 4.3 is at least a solid 6 months off it won't be the last major raid. Though I will agree with you that this expansion just needs to end. There's nothing interesting about it aside from the shock factor of the world being radically changed, and that wore off very quickly. I mean let's be honest with ourselves here, Wrath was a masterfully done expansion with very well known back story which many veteran Warcraft players were familiar with and invested in.

It was the culmination in the tragic story of Prince Arthas, and by god it was fucking epic. Though where the hell do you go from there? The story of Deathwing is somewhat compelling, but it plays out mostly in the novels. Your average player, scratch that, even amongst the hardcore crowd you would be hard pressed to find someone who's actually familiar with Deathwing's back story. He's just sort of a "meh" villain when sized up to who we just got done with. I mean ooo, another dragon for us to kill, it's not like we haven't killed a bunch plus one aspect already. I mean seriously, Deathwing was just not a strong enough villain to build an expansion around. He's a great reason to overhaul the world but other than that there's not much going for him in the compelling villains department.

I just don't see where Blizzard has any villains left to build expansions around. Even if the next expansion is Sargeras who've they got that could measure up to him or Arthas? No one that's who, or rather no one who's been a consistent and present threat to the world to the degree of Arthas and Sargeras. I left WoW because when 4.0 rolled out I took a look at what I'd done in Wrath, Vanilla, and Burning Crusade and said "You know what, call me when there's a threat I can work up a blood vendetta against."

Vaccine:

It was released Dec last year, we've only just gotten news of 4.3 lately, it isn't even on the PTR, you won't see a release till either Dec or Jan at the latest and the raid tier itself will last at the very least 6 months, so you're looking at a year and half for the expac.

I disagree. Blizzard need to turn out the expansion in the next year at latest. With TOR and The Secret World, along with an ever increasing number of MMOs going F2P, Blizzard are slowly losing their grasp on the market. They've gone from 12 to 11m subs, and if they don't get in gear they'll lose more.

WotLK suffered from a massive gap between Icecrown and Cataclysm, and I don't think Blizz will want that again, because it was a year between major content releases and about six months from the minor Ruby Sanctum.

If we're looking at six months for the raid tier, then I think Blizzard are going to be looking to the end of summer, at latest, to get the next expansion out otherwise they risk losing more players to TOR and the other competitors. They need to get something out relatively quickly after this raid to keep people interested.

Cataclysm was a massive expansion, and as such Blizz could justify a year from the final WotLK raid to Cat as the payoff would be potentially bigger. TBC's final raid to WotLK was about 9 months. If Cat to the next is a year, I think it'll hurt them much more than it'll help them.

KeyMaster45:

Remember how Illidan was supposed to be "the end of Burning Crusade"? Yeah don't kid yourself mate, unless 4.3 is at least a solid 6 months off it won't be the last major raid.

You do know it was a mistake, right? As far as I remember, Blizzard didn't expect people to clear it so quickly but also they implemented it way too soon, hence why it ended up with the Sunwell at the end of the game. Arthas was always implied/said to be the final boss of WotLK, and he was! Mistakes happen, bad design choices happen. Deathwing will be the last major boss of Cataclysm. It fits in with all the previous timing, bar TBC.

coldalarm:

Ickorus:
Already on the final patch? Wasn't Cataclysm only released this year?

Looks like they'll be moving closer to a yearly release schedule. Wouldn't surprise me if the next expansion comes out in the next six months.

I can just imagine the conversation over at Blizzard:

"Hey, our activision side releases the same game with some lil tweaks and a thrown together story once a year! We have millions more customers, why dont we do the same with WoW and make MORE money!" "Thats a brilliant idea, start on it right away!"

FelixG:

"Hey, our activision side releases the same game with some lil tweaks and a thrown together story once a year! We have millions more customers, why dont we do the same with WoW and make MORE money!" "Thats a brilliant idea, start on it right away!"

Except expansions aren't releases of the same game?

coldalarm:
Arthas was always implied/said to be the final boss of WotLK, and he was! Mistakes happen, bad design choices happen. Deathwing will be the last major boss of Cataclysm. It fits in with all the previous timing, bar TBC.

Ruby Sanctum disagrees.

On a side note: Where in the heck did this article go? It was up last week and it, and all record of any posts I made to it, seemingly ceased to exist until today.

WoW has grown far too top heavy. It's not exactly built on a solid foundation anymore.

Mouse_Crouse:

Ruby Sanctum disagrees.

That was a minor raid. The boss of Ruby Sanctum was not the ultimate enemy of the expansion. It was content released halfway between the final major raid (i.e. Icecrown) and the next expansion (i.e. Cataclysm) to give raiders something to do as well as a way to offer alternate gear to that from Icecrown.

coldalarm:
That was a minor raid. The boss of Ruby Sanctum was not the ultimate enemy of the expansion. It was content released halfway between the final major raid (i.e. Icecrown) and the next expansion (i.e. Cataclysm) to give raiders something to do as well as a way to offer alternate gear to that from Icecrown.

While that is true, it in no way changes the fact that ICC was not the 'last', 'hardest', or 'final' raid/boss of WotLK. What they did in BC with Sunwell is no different then Ruby Sanctum. His point is still valid that Illidan was not the 'end' of Burning Crusade.

Can't they just make another raid like Ulduar? I actually found that one to be enjoyable and varied enough from boss to boss to have a decent replay value. Or would that be too hard for a raid finder?

Sean951:
Hopefully, they will go back to the idea they had in Wrath where dungeons were meant to be a quick and fun thing, not a slug fest requiring coordination for every pull. Keep that in the raids, and leave the dungeons for smashing enemies and getting loot in 30 minutes or less.

Making average dungeon lengths longer than 30 minutes in Cataclysm was the final nail in the coffin for me that got me to quit WoW. I have a life, bodily needs and health issues that all make sitting in one spot without break for over half an hour painful. Extending dungeon length and making them a tedious slog while doing so made it so that I had no choice but to bow out.

And once I stopped doing dungeons, what was there for me to do? I could spend an hour waiting in queue for a battleground, where I could get curb stomped by kids who could spend all day, every day playing endlessly for fun times, stressing myself out with such competitive PvP instead of unwinding at the end of my day.

So I quit. Though honestly I don't see anything bringing me back in now. I've been enjoying using my free time for playing many different games and reading more to sacrifice it back to running the same dungeons over and over again.

I think it's HILARIOUS that people are upset over how fast the expansion went. I bet these were the same people who complained over how long Wrath was. I'm also not surprises that 4.3 is the final patch. Remember, 3.3 was the final Wrath expansion, and no one wants another 3.2... Sure, Cataclysm has flown by, but as someone who let their sub drop because of the dungeons, I see this as a good thing. Hopefully, they will go back to the idea they had in Wrath where dungeons were meant to be a quick and fun thing, not a slug fest requiring coordination for every pull. Keep that in the raids, and leave the dungeons for smashing enemies and getting loot in 30 minutes or less.

For the people who have been playing WoW since cata launched im sure the expansion will be long enough. I played it last year and enjoyed it. A year later to come back and not be near the tail end feels weird. Still we have some time before the expansion is over. I expect 4.3 to be released maybe mid november. And yes Wrath was way too long near the end.

Tito: Not soon. I have tons of questions about the next expansion but that's not something you can really talk about.

Brack: That sounds like something we may potentially be talking about at BlizzCon.

Tito: Does it have to do with pandas?

Brack: That sounds like something we may be talking about at BlizzCon.

Aahhahaha i love how casual he was with denying any sort of spoiler information :D

coldalarm:

along with an ever increasing number of MMOs going F2P, Blizzard are slowly losing their grasp on the market. They've gone from 12 to 11m subs, and if they don't get in gear they'll lose more.

This has always been a silly argument, there is always going to be that chunk of subscribers who're flaky with their subscriptions, be it for money or boredom, you only notice because 1,000,000 of 12,000,000 is more apparent than 100,000 of 1,200,000, they're still the dominate force in the MMO industry and it's not dropping like a stone like the doomsday preachers think it is.

Dendio:

I think it's HILARIOUS that people are upset over how fast the expansion went. I bet these were the same people who complained over how long Wrath was. I'm also not surprises that 4.3 is the final patch. Remember, 3.3 was the final Wrath expansion, and no one wants another 3.2... Sure, Cataclysm has flown by, but as someone who let their sub drop because of the dungeons, I see this as a good thing. Hopefully, they will go back to the idea they had in Wrath where dungeons were meant to be a quick and fun thing, not a slug fest requiring coordination for every pull. Keep that in the raids, and leave the dungeons for smashing enemies and getting loot in 30 minutes or less.

For the people who have been playing WoW since cata launched im sure the expansion will be long enough. I played it last year and enjoyed it. A year later to come back and not be near the tail end feels weird. Still we have some time before the expansion is over. I expect 4.3 to be released maybe mid november. And yes Wrath was way too long near the end.

I agree, LK got a little, long, though I blame ToC for that. I spent most of LK being over geared for 10 mans and had little desire to run the 25 mans regularly, but the DPS handicapped our group, so I gave up out of frustration. When I can get us to clear the first 10 bosses of ICC in 2 hours, but we can't get Sindragosa, then something is wrong.

As somebody who doesn't play the game anymore I wasn't exactly on the edge of my seat reading this. There was just nothing in this patch announcement that would have thrilled or excited me enough to check the game out again. Woo an epic weapon for the class I revile the most. Wooo. Yeah that'll make me run right on back.

I'd be more interested if they would make a 4.4 patch that focuses on the Alliance/horde stories

I love how Blizzard is saying that people who can't raid can now with this new raid finder, yet they can only do 25-man easy-mode raids, which give easy-mode gear, making the whole thing almost entirely pointless. Way to go Blizzard, one more part of the game that is absolutely retarded.

Random Argument Man:
I'd be more interested if they would make a 4.4 patch that focuses on the Alliance/horde stories

That would be interesting, and they could have done a lot more with that. Considering how weak of a Horde character Hellscream is (he is without a doubt the stupidest, most contrived Orc character ever created) though, it wouldn't hold much water, because anyone with a brain cell can see how dumb Hellscream is. Just thinking about how stupid of a character he is makes me glad I don't play anymore.

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