Square Enix Dusts Off Final Fantasy X for PS3 Remake

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Is this^^^ really so hard to do?

Remake? Feh. It's just going to be a simple re-release, no tweaks whatsoever, mark my words. They might give the old NTSC-crowd the whole dark aeon/Penance thing that was only in the PAL versions... But otherwise, no, they're not going to waste any money on it.

Also, people only think FF VII was so darn great because
1) it was the first FF with polygons.
2) it was cyberpunk instead of Tolkien-esque fantasy.
3) it was the first on the PSOne, the console that brought gaming to the masses, for many people FF VII was a first.
4) the originality of the materia system that introduced some sort of "create you own job" mentality.

So yeah, except for the evolution in setup mechanics that the materia-system introduced, the game wasn't all that special.

Personally, I'd rather see an HD remake of FF IX. It didn't do wonders when it came to setup or battle mechanics, but BY GOD did it have interesting characters, beautiful (and original) environments, simple but great music and a solid fairytale-esque epic for a story.

I really hope they cut/fix that laughing scene and they either use the Blitzball that was used in FFX-2 or remove it altogether.
Dodging 100 thunder, chocobo racing in 00" seconds, monster hunting, battling all my summons again at whatever level I left them, having Kimari as a playable character, no gunner Yuna or thief Rikku... never mind I might not be picking this up after all

Aisaku:

While I agree with the sentiment that is just not accurate. To remake FF7 they'd have to either build it from the start as a full polygon-based game, which has been dismissed as non viable time and time again; reach a compromise like using the mini-me versions of the characters for the whole game, or leave as it is and get a lot of flak for not updating it enough. The assets on which ff7 was built are in essence, low poly characters and heavily pixellated dated cg backgrounds. So yeah, it'd be like making a brand new game.

You do realize that Squeenix can't just overhaul the original Emotion-Engine-driven FF10 by slapping some hi-resolution textures onto the outdated models and call it a "remake", right?

There is no reason for one game to cost more than the other based on content-generation alone; both titles are already so far behind the modern tech standards that the content (even with a baseline to work with) would have to be re-generated from scratch anyway just to work on the tech that they have (PS3).

A remake means using the original as a logical blueprint and bringing it into the modern era.
FF10 being in full-3D is in no way going to make content-generation on the PS3 platform cheaper, because Squeenix cannot recycle the old data directly without making the game look terribly dated.

They're going to have to create just as many brand-new 3D environments for a FF10 remake as they are for a FF7 remake (the only major difference being with the world-map of FF7; which can be abstracted as they did in Crisis Core, if they so chose).

When they're saying they're not making PS3 level remakes they mean they cannot afford to develop games of the old series' breadth and complexity within the demands of PS3 level game development.

I'm not sure I follow. FF7, mechanically, is in no way more complex than FF10.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Because it's not as if Final Fantasy X was already a fully 3D RPG with high-polished graphics that can be easily re-textured and upscaled, opposed to Final Fantasy 7's nigh un-useable low poly characters and pixellated 2D backgrounds. Nope, it must be because Square Enix are mean bastards who want to specifically piss you off.

Second verse, same as the first.
You can't just transplant game content between incompatible platforms and call it a day (when it works, it's called "porting". This is a "remake".)
If you're doing a remake, you use the original as a design guideline. The medium of said guideline doesn't matter if the cost to generate the new content is the same.

I can create a high resolution model of a race car using an artist's rendition, or I can base it on the actual car. Either way, the cost to generate my 3D model is going to be the same because it's going to use the SAME TECH TO GENERATE THAT MODEL EITHER WAY.

I really wish some people would think before they speak.

I really wish people would leave their smug, implied ad-hominems out their posts when making their arguments.

it's my favorite FF game by far (dodges hate wave) and I think this it's great that they let other people have a go at it.

the only problem I have with the game is the secret bosses. don't get me wrong, I love the fact that there are secret and unlockable bosses in the game but the way FFX does it is simply ridiculous.

so we have a being that is named sin. it is the most powerful creature in the universe. however, we have special people who control super creatures who are 100000times more powerful than sin, and they have a boss who could defeat each of the super creatures with a sneeze.

only read if you have finished the game/have no intention of ever blessing your mind with a fantastic game.

Atmos Duality:

Aisaku:

While I agree with the sentiment that is just not accurate. To remake FF7 they'd have to either build it from the start as a full polygon-based game, which has been dismissed as non viable time and time again; reach a compromise like using the mini-me versions of the characters for the whole game, or leave as it is and get a lot of flak for not updating it enough. The assets on which ff7 was built are in essence, low poly characters and heavily pixellated dated cg backgrounds. So yeah, it'd be like making a brand new game.

You do realize that Squeenix can't just overhaul the original Emotion-Engine-driven FF10 by slapping some hi-resolution textures onto the outdated models and call it a "remake", right?

There is no reason for one game to cost more than the other based on content-generation alone; both titles are already so far behind the modern tech standards that the content (even with a baseline to work with) would have to be re-generated from scratch anyway just to work on the tech that they have (PS3).

A remake means using the original as a logical blueprint and bringing it into the modern era.
FF10 being in full-3D is in no way going to make content-generation on the PS3 platform cheaper, because Squeenix cannot recycle the old data directly without making the game look terribly dated.

They're going to have to create just as many brand-new 3D environments for a FF10 remake as they are for a FF7 remake (the only major difference being with the world-map of FF7; which can be abstracted as they did in Crisis Core, if they so chose).

When they're saying they're not making PS3 level remakes they mean they cannot afford to develop games of the old series' breadth and complexity within the demands of PS3 level game development.

I'm not sure I follow. FF7, mechanically, is in no way more complex than FF10.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Because it's not as if Final Fantasy X was already a fully 3D RPG with high-polished graphics that can be easily re-textured and upscaled, opposed to Final Fantasy 7's nigh un-useable low poly characters and pixellated 2D backgrounds. Nope, it must be because Square Enix are mean bastards who want to specifically piss you off.

Second verse, same as the first.
You can't just transplant game content between incompatible platforms and call it a day (when it works, it's called "porting". This is a "remake".)
If you're doing a remake, you use the original as a design guideline. The medium of said guideline doesn't matter if the cost to generate the new content is the same.

I can create a high resolution model of a race car using an artist's rendition, or I can base it on the actual car. Either way, the cost to generate my 3D model is going to be the same because it's going to use the SAME TECH TO GENERATE THAT MODEL EITHER WAY.

I really wish some people would think before they speak.

I really wish people would leave their smug, implied ad-hominems out their posts when making their arguments.

while I agree and support an FFVII remake I have too add another point to your argument look at it from a selling point view, SE would benefit from an FFVII remake immensely. So why release it now when they have so many upcoming games that can clearly hold their own?
I say they save it for when they actually need it or the PS5. I rather they give me a game for VITA that's a mix between Ninja Gaiden, God of War, and Legend of Zelda where the main is Tifa in the time Cloud was asleep in Nibelheim, we get to see her train with Master Zangan, the time between the end of VII and Advent Children, and the time between Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, and finally after Dirge which gives the setting for the next and final game which should be the LAST game and in turn an RPG a la FF XIII and end the story of Genesis, Sephiroth, that final boss from Dirge (I forgot his name), and Jenova and give closure to all the characters and FF VII series as a whole

GZGoten:

while I agree and support an FFVII remake I have too add another point to your argument look at it from a selling point view, SE would benefit from an FFVII remake immensely. So why release it now when they have so many upcoming games that can clearly hold their own?

Squeenix does have a lot on their plate as both a publisher and a developer..perhaps they are testing the waters with FF10 before deciding to commit to a FF7 remake. Though after last year, they need to balance their load VERY carefully.

As a personal matter, I don't really want to see FF7 get remade for strangely similar reason some don't like the "Remastered" original Star Wars movies. The "Compilation/Compendium" series of FF7 was...ugh. Convoluted to say the least, and that's on top of an already convoluted main story.

I say they save it for when they actually need it or the PS5. I rather they give me a game for VITA that's a mix between Ninja Gaiden, God of War, and Legend of Zelda where the main is Tifa in the time Cloud was asleep in Nibelheim, we get to see her train with Master Zangan, the time between the end of VII and Advent Children, and the time between Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, and finally after Dirge which gives the setting for the next and final game which should be the LAST game and in turn an RPG a la FF XIII and end the story of Genesis, Sephiroth, that final boss from Dirge (I forgot his name), and Jenova and give closure to all the characters and FF VII series as a whole

Well, they could do more spinoffs, but if they're going to do that, they need to lead it into a big franchise cluster (like they're trying to do with FF13. That "Fabula Nova Crystalis" plan or whatever); preferably based on a very GOOD core game.

I'll agree with one thing: If I had to play Devil's Advocate, and state which character's story could use the spinoff-expansion treatment the most, it'd probably be Tifa's. Big Breast jokes aside, she's actually fairly well-developed. One of the best characters in FF7.

I might have to get a PS3 just for this game, now if only they'd remake Front Mission 3 as well.

Trophy support for a game i sunk 200+ hours into? I think so!

Now if i can only get them to remake FFX-2 as well...

Shut up! It had the best battle system in Final Fantasy so far!

I'm not saying this to offend anyone.

Final Fantasy X represents a very important milestone in my development as a gamer - it was the first time I found myself brave enough to disagree with the vast majority of reviewers about the quality of a game.

Before FFX, I more or less accepted the opinions of websites and magazines as gospel. If they said a game was bad, it was bad; good, good.

Then I played FFX. All of the reviewers gave it 9s and 10s. They praised everything about the game. Me? I was at a loss. The game I was playing seemed infantile, poorly written, and often just stupid. The story was a mess. The dialogue was truly awful. The gameplay seemed dated. I felt like I was taking crazy pills.

Of course I eventually came to realize that websites and magazines have a fairly overt interest in promoting high profile games regardless of their actual merit. Now I tend to dismiss sequels and AAA titles as a rule, only swooping down to grab those I've personally demo'd.

Anyways, yeah. Couldn't be less excited for this HD re-release. Pretty much the exact opposite of my feelings towards the imminent re-release of Ico/SotC.

A FFX remake. Cause you know, fuck new and original games and all that jazz. Let's suck that titty dry till it deflates like a balloon.

Anyone remember when FF14 was supposedly "the last Final Fantasy"? I like how that lasted roughly as long as "Halo Reach is the final Halo"....Microsoft dug up that corpse so quickly that it only had enough time to start getting smelly.

Brad Shepard:
speaking of 13 2, i heard that there already talking about 13 3

Way late to responding to this, but....WUT. I hope you're wrong, I truly do. 13-2 already is shaping up to be a disaster, with its one major marketable change being "lol look we added a moogle, kupo!". Can't imagine a third game.

I wish we could throw the moogle into that well from Unforgotten Realms, along with a can of oil and a torch. Or one good dose of Flare should do the trick.

Atmos Duality:
You do realize that Squeenix can't just overhaul the original Emotion-Engine-driven FF10 by slapping some hi-resolution textures onto the outdated models and call it a "remake", right?

Ah, but here's the key you're missing: you're thinking of the word "remake" in the proper, original way that the term was used, and not in the 2010-era developer use for the word.

Square has given no direct indication that they were producing a fully-re-rendered "remake" so much as FFX HD, much like 343 Industries is doing to Halo....an HD repaint that's laughably being titled a "remake". These days, you can resell the exact same old game to people with shinier graphics, add a few minor features, and call it a "remake" worthy of 60 dollars of your hard-earned cash. Sounds completely reasonable, doesn't it?

That's how the 3DS is planning on selling its units, anyways.

Um.. interesting move but the only Final Fantasies I care about are VI and the Tactics series so unless it's one of those I don't really care

Oh Good. Blitzball in HD.

Of course, if they released FFVII, there would be literally nothing to tease fans with anymore.

Why is Square Enix the only company who gets away with releasing the exact same game multiple times?

I know there's the whole stigma of Call of Duty games being the same exact thing repeated, but even though the games are incredibly similar, they're still new games. You don't see "Call of Duty 2 to be re-released on PS3, do you?

This shit just makes me hate Square Enix more.

Way more than EA and Capcom and any of the others...

Custard_Angel:
Why is Square Enix the only company who gets away with releasing the exact same game multiple times?

Nintendo and my 3DS would like to have a word with you...

Atmos Duality:

Custard_Angel:
Why is Square Enix the only company who gets away with releasing the exact same game multiple times?

Nintendo and my 3DS would like to have a word with you...

Hmm, very true.

Then again, I don't know many people who legitimately view the 3DS as anything more than a fad system.

Custard_Angel:

Then again, I don't know many people who legitimately view the 3DS as anything more than a fad system.

It's a good piece of hardware. But without a solid business plan to bring games to the system, yeah, it's going to remain a fad.

I got mine for my birthday out of the blue. While I do get some use out of it (just put it down to reply to this post, oh irony of ironies) I don't know how long that will last.

wooty:
It makes sense, all the other FF games have had a revamped/new console release, this was the next in line.

Unless you could the PC version/s, VII, VIII and IX never had a "revamp/new console release".

unacomn:
Do you head that? That's the sound of The Spoony One screaming in horror.

Yea, this made me lol, hard!

OT: Yea... no.
Much as I loved some of the soundtrack and even blitzball and while I don't consider it the worst game in the series it's still nowhere near the best and shouldn't have a remake/revamp. I admit, I'm one of these people clammering on for a total remake of VII, but at the same time, I hope that (should they actually remake it) they don't turn it into some cheesy action-bullshit RPG-wannabe like they did with XI, XII and XIII. Same goes for this apparent remake of X actually... I want it to stick to being turn-based.

OutrageousEmu:

tahrey:
"Missed"? It's still in my PS2, languishing not-quite-hooked-up under the TV in my new place, and still not quite finished...

It can't be that hard or expensive just to pick up the original and the system to play it on can it? If you get the Slim, it doesn't even take up a significant amount of room.

That doesn't make it portable, does it?

Funny, I wasn't aware of there being a portable PS3, either. Remake it for the Vita, sure... no problems there.

Of course the PS3 part is arguably just all part of their nefarious "ditch backwards compatibility then make a bucket of money re-selling previous generation games with a minor graphical buff instead of allowing people to play the old ones on new hardware with added texture upscaling and full-scene antialiasing" plan... Oh Sony, you so greedy ^_^

tahrey:

OutrageousEmu:

tahrey:
"Missed"? It's still in my PS2, languishing not-quite-hooked-up under the TV in my new place, and still not quite finished...

It can't be that hard or expensive just to pick up the original and the system to play it on can it? If you get the Slim, it doesn't even take up a significant amount of room.

That doesn't make it portable, does it?

Funny, I wasn't aware of there being a portable PS3, either. Remake it for the Vita, sure... no problems there.

Of course the PS3 part is arguably just all part of their nefarious "ditch backwards compatibility then make a bucket of money re-selling previous generation games with a minor graphical buff instead of allowing people to play the old ones on new hardware with added texture upscaling and full-scene antialiasing" plan... Oh Sony, you so greedy ^_^

I must have missed how Sony were the ones who were forcing this when its Square Enix making the game, publishing it, distributing it - you know what? Shelve your little conspiracy theories until you can actually factor reality in, alright?

Byere:

Square has given no direct indication that they were producing a fully-re-rendered "remake" so much as FFX HD, much like 343 Industries is doing to Halo....an HD repaint that's laughably being titled a "remake". These days, you can resell the exact same old game to people with shinier graphics, add a few minor features, and call it a "remake" worthy of 60 dollars of your hard-earned cash. Sounds completely reasonable, doesn't it?

Or rather it doesn't in the slightest. And there is a difference between "they haven't announced" and "You haven't bothered to look"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=134579

OutrageousEmu:
I must have missed how Sony were the ones who were forcing this when its Square Enix making the game, publishing it, distributing it - you know what? Shelve your little conspiracy theories until you can actually factor reality in, alright?

So it's because of Square-Enix that Sony pulled back-compatibility from the PS3 hardware? Wow, I never knew they wielded such power. They must have been sore about not having a good excuse for re-releasing FF7 thru 9 in mildly-upgraded PS2 form, what with PS2 owners being able to just put the existing discs in their machines and get better resolution / filtering / load times.

If Sony don't get some per-sale cut off each official game disc sold, regardless of how small - or at least, from the sale of each license to put a valid digital signature on each disc - I'd be quite surprised. I can't guarantee that this is true without going off and spending some time looking it up, but expect that it is. Hardware itself doesn't bring in massive profits - it's game sales that are the big earner.

Oh, and also? Try decaf tomorrow.

tahrey:

OutrageousEmu:
I must have missed how Sony were the ones who were forcing this when its Square Enix making the game, publishing it, distributing it - you know what? Shelve your little conspiracy theories until you can actually factor reality in, alright?

So it's because of Square-Enix that Sony pulled back-compatibility from the PS3 hardware? Wow, I never knew they wielded such power. They must have been sore about not having a good excuse for re-releasing FF7 thru 9 in mildly-upgraded PS2 form, what with PS2 owners being able to just put the existing discs in their machines and get better resolution / filtering / load times.

If Sony don't get some per-sale cut off each official game disc sold, regardless of how small - or at least, from the sale of each license to put a valid digital signature on each disc - I'd be quite surprised. I can't guarantee that this is true without going off and spending some time looking it up, but expect that it is. Hardware itself doesn't bring in massive profits - it's game sales that are the big earner.

Oh, and also? Try decaf tomorrow.

Not only does this assume that (a) every single Ps2 in existence has atomised itself the second the Ps3 was launched so the people who own these discs can't PLAY THEM ON THE SYSTEM THEY BOUGHT THE DISCS TO PLAY ON, (b) there is never going to be another Ps2 made again so even people who actually broke their Ps2 cannot get a new one, and (c) there isn't a group of people who actually want a version of these games with HD visuals and trophies, making this theory already completely insane, but it ignores the fact that PEOPLE ASKED FOR THE BACKWARDS COMPATABILITY TO BE TAKEN OUT TO MAKE THE SYSTEM CHEAPER!

OutrageousEmu:

Byere:

Square has given no direct indication that they were producing a fully-re-rendered "remake" so much as FFX HD, much like 343 Industries is doing to Halo....an HD repaint that's laughably being titled a "remake". These days, you can resell the exact same old game to people with shinier graphics, add a few minor features, and call it a "remake" worthy of 60 dollars of your hard-earned cash. Sounds completely reasonable, doesn't it?

Or rather it doesn't in the slightest. And there is a difference between "they haven't announced" and "You haven't bothered to look"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=134579

First things first, Learn how to use the "Quote" button by not just erasing what I've put in my post as it makes it terribly difficult to understand what you're trying to say... particularly when you then cut your argument between the quote box and the area after it.

Secondly, you'll notice that the forum post you linked happened the same day you posted... TWO DAYS AFTER MY POST. It's difficult for me to see the linked page two days before it existed.

Thirdly, I really couldn't give a damn whether or not such info had been posted somewhere else previous to my post in places other than your link.

Finally, you'll note that my post was about the fact that if they're going to remake a game, it should be one the fans are asking for, not what SquareEnix thinks would be best. You'll also note that while I'm not against the idea of this remake, that I want it to be true to the original creation, whether they re-use the game engine or not. I want it to be turn-based combat and not the terrible action-RPG crap they spit out like XII or XIII.

Byere:

OutrageousEmu:

Byere:

Square has given no direct indication that they were producing a fully-re-rendered "remake" so much as FFX HD, much like 343 Industries is doing to Halo....an HD repaint that's laughably being titled a "remake". These days, you can resell the exact same old game to people with shinier graphics, add a few minor features, and call it a "remake" worthy of 60 dollars of your hard-earned cash. Sounds completely reasonable, doesn't it?

Or rather it doesn't in the slightest. And there is a difference between "they haven't announced" and "You haven't bothered to look"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=134579

First things first, Learn how to use the "Quote" button by not just erasing what I've put in my post as it makes it terribly difficult to understand what you're trying to say... particularly when you then cut your argument between the quote box and the area after it.

Secondly, you'll notice that the forum post you linked happened the same day you posted... TWO DAYS AFTER MY POST. It's difficult for me to see the linked page two days before it existed.

Thirdly, I really couldn't give a damn whether or not such info had been posted somewhere else previous to my post in places other than your link.

Finally, you'll note that my post was about the fact that if they're going to remake a game, it should be one the fans are asking for, not what SquareEnix thinks would be best. You'll also note that while I'm not against the idea of this remake, that I want it to be true to the original creation, whether they re-use the game engine or not. I want it to be turn-based combat and not the terrible action-RPG crap they spit out like XII or XIII.

First, that it came after doesn't matter. You assumed that it was a HD upscale instead of a remake like they said several times, without any proof whatsoever. You acted without anything to back you up. You should have actually, ya know, gotten some proof.

Second, what planet are you living on that you think people don't want a remake of Final Fantasy X? Seriously, where did that come from? Its not as requested as Final Fantasy VII, but are you seriously saying they aren't allowed to remake their second most requested game, because their first most is, as has been stated by them several times, close to impossible? Besides, if it was what was easiest, it'd be Final Fantasy XII.

And third, the battle system is the exact same. Once again, try to get any kind of proof before you do that.

OutrageousEmu:
First, that it came after doesn't matter. You assumed that it was a HD upscale instead of a remake like they said several times, without any proof whatsoever. You acted without anything to back you up. You should have actually, ya know, gotten some proof.

Second, what planet are you living on that you think people don't want a remake of Final Fantasy X? Seriously, where did that come from? Its not as requested as Final Fantasy VII, but are you seriously saying they aren't allowed to remake their second most requested game, because their first most is, as has been stated by them several times, close to impossible? Besides, if it was what was easiest, it'd be Final Fantasy XII.

And third, the battle system is the exact same. Once again, try to get any kind of proof before you do that.

Yes... Yes it DOES matter that posting of such information comes before my post. Before this thread, I hadn't heard anything about a remake of FFX. Thus, this is the only info I have on such a claim. The fact that I didn't go out of my way to trawl the internet to find specific details that may not have even been in full circulation until AFTER my post is what is moot here.
My assumation that it was an graphical upscale as opposed to a complete overhaul is because that's what SE is known for when it comes to porting games from one system to the next. They did it with the first few games in the series (Final Fantasys 1-5 were re-released on handheld systems before some being re-re-released after being remade completely later like 3 and 4 were on the DS. Also, see Final Fantasy Tactics and Crono Trigger for examples of porting as opposed to remaking, even though they had added in a few extras upon said porting), they did it the latter games (Final Fantasy VII and VIII at the least got PC ports). SE aren't know for completely overhauling games once they've made them.

I have to point out that you're putting words in my mouth with your second point. I didn't say that a remake of FFX wasn't requested OR that SE are not allowed to do a total remake of it. I stated that they SHOULDN'T do so before getting down to what it top of the list first.
The thing about a remake of Final Fantasy VII is that people don't WANT a total overhaul. They don't WANT everything about it to change. It's one of those rare cases that people want just a graphical overhaul and maybe/most likely want voice-overs. They want the storyline, the gameplay, the battle system and other such elements to stay EXACTLY the same because those are the things people actually love about VII. I don't see why it would be impossible to do that when they're willing to scrap and remake something that already has those things (more realistic graphics when compared to VII, voice-overs, movie-like cut-scenes, etc).
It just seems that they refuse to give the fan base what they most want and to give them a silver-prize medal game instead. It seems a cop out... a chance to make money and tempt the fans into the idea that they'll actually DO a remake of the games people like, when they never actually will.

As for your third point, thank you for the confirmation. I'm glad that it'll stay the same. As for proof of it, it wasn't on your "wonderful" link that it would be the same, so I wasn't sure.

Is it really going to be a remake or just an HD port? As in, cleaner models, better textures, etc. In that case it's obvious why a remake of X would be chosen over any of the previous games, involves a lot less work. I mean, to remake any of the games before X for PS3, you'd have to redo the whole game in 3D, and get probably get voice work.

Byere:

unacomn:
Do you head that? That's the sound of The Spoony One screaming in horror.

Yea, this made me lol, hard!

The end of the X-2 review has GOT to be Dr. Insano bringing Tidus back to life with a Lazarus Project or 6 Million Dollar Man reference now.

I brought him back to life with SCIENCE! And in HD! AHAHAHAHAHA!

Zetsubou-Sama:
One of the best in the series gets a remake, best turn based combat, one of the best scripts, best soundtracks, and a fun sphere grid.

I can get behind that. Way more than I would for VII remade.

Pretty much all that.

OutrageousEmu:

tahrey:

OutrageousEmu:
I must have missed how Sony were the ones who were forcing this when its Square Enix making the game, publishing it, distributing it - you know what? Shelve your little conspiracy theories until you can actually factor reality in, alright?

So it's because of Square-Enix that Sony pulled back-compatibility from the PS3 hardware? Wow, I never knew they wielded such power. They must have been sore about not having a good excuse for re-releasing FF7 thru 9 in mildly-upgraded PS2 form, what with PS2 owners being able to just put the existing discs in their machines and get better resolution / filtering / load times.

If Sony don't get some per-sale cut off each official game disc sold, regardless of how small - or at least, from the sale of each license to put a valid digital signature on each disc - I'd be quite surprised. I can't guarantee that this is true without going off and spending some time looking it up, but expect that it is. Hardware itself doesn't bring in massive profits - it's game sales that are the big earner.

Oh, and also? Try decaf tomorrow.

Not only does this assume that (a) every single Ps2 in existence has atomised itself the second the Ps3 was launched so the people who own these discs can't PLAY THEM ON THE SYSTEM THEY BOUGHT THE DISCS TO PLAY ON, (b) there is never going to be another Ps2 made again so even people who actually broke their Ps2 cannot get a new one, and (c) there isn't a group of people who actually want a version of these games with HD visuals and trophies, making this theory already completely insane, but it ignores the fact that PEOPLE ASKED FOR THE BACKWARDS COMPATABILITY TO BE TAKEN OUT TO MAKE THE SYSTEM CHEAPER!

Right... ok... when i said to try decaf, that also sort of implied that you stop smoking crack as well. Settle down, Beavis.

a/ I think my original point, now lost, was that you could just play it on the PS2? What kind of circular argument are you getting yourself into, here?
b/ They stopped production already AFAIK? Or will do so quite soon. Quite how it's relevant I have no idea.
c-i/ Are there that many people who want an explicitly HD remake of FF10 & all? And... "trophies"?! Like... you mean... online achievements... for a 10 year old, originally offline RPG? You understand that the game is basically handing out its own equivalent of achievements like candy, right? And no-one's going to be very bothered what your squillions of stats for it say?
c-ii/ Insane? Er OK. Never mind Sony's fairly lengthy history of pulling exactly that kind of shit, going for profit at the expense of all else... Just look at Minidiscs, rootkits on CDs, locking out even their recent DVD players from being easily de-regioned without specific tools... but again I think that's kind of besides the point i was originally suggesting.
c-iii/ They did? I think it would be fair to call those people somewhat foolish. And it's not like the company kept making the original full feature console alongside a slimmer, cheaper, less capable one, they just swapped one for another. What about all the people who were just happy with things as they are... so they never spoke up or made the point that "ey, everything's cool here. don't fuck with it".

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tahrey:

So it's because of Square-Enix that Sony pulled back-compatibility from the PS3 hardware? Wow, I never knew they wielded such power. They must have been sore about not having a good excuse for re-releasing FF7 thru 9 in mildly-upgraded PS2 form, what with PS2 owners being able to just put the existing discs in their machines and get better resolution / filtering / load times.

If Sony don't get some per-sale cut off each official game disc sold, regardless of how small - or at least, from the sale of each license to put a valid digital signature on each disc - I'd be quite surprised. I can't guarantee that this is true without going off and spending some time looking it up, but expect that it is. Hardware itself doesn't bring in massive profits - it's game sales that are the big earner.

Oh, and also? Try decaf tomorrow.

Not only does this assume that (a) every single Ps2 in existence has atomised itself the second the Ps3 was launched so the people who own these discs can't PLAY THEM ON THE SYSTEM THEY BOUGHT THE DISCS TO PLAY ON, (b) there is never going to be another Ps2 made again so even people who actually broke their Ps2 cannot get a new one, and (c) there isn't a group of people who actually want a version of these games with HD visuals and trophies, making this theory already completely insane, but it ignores the fact that PEOPLE ASKED FOR THE BACKWARDS COMPATABILITY TO BE TAKEN OUT TO MAKE THE SYSTEM CHEAPER!

Right... ok... when i said to try decaf, that also sort of implied that you stop smoking crack as well. Settle down, Beavis.

a/ I think my original point, now lost, was that you could just play it on the PS2? What kind of circular argument are you getting yourself into, here?
b/ They stopped production already AFAIK? Or will do so quite soon. Quite how it's relevant I have no idea.
c-i/ Are there that many people who want an explicitly HD remake of FF10 & all? And... "trophies"?! Like... you mean... online achievements... for a 10 year old, originally offline RPG? You understand that the game is basically handing out its own equivalent of achievements like candy, right? And no-one's going to be very bothered what your squillions of stats for it say?
c-ii/ Insane? Er OK. Never mind Sony's fairly lengthy history of pulling exactly that kind of shit, going for profit at the expense of all else... Just look at Minidiscs, rootkits on CDs, locking out even their recent DVD players from being easily de-regioned without specific tools... but again I think that's kind of besides the point i was originally suggesting.
c-iii/ They did? I think it would be fair to call those people somewhat foolish. And it's not like the company kept making the original full feature console alongside a slimmer, cheaper, less capable one, they just swapped one for another. What about all the people who were just happy with things as they are... so they never spoke up or made the point that "ey, everything's cool here. don't fuck with it".

If those people actually did care, they would have already gotten one of the original Ps3's. So basically, the audience hurt with this is completely nonexistent.

But the sickest, most insane and twisted part of your theory is that it can't even recognise that Sony waited until fans actually told them in black and white that they wanted HD versions of the games before they'd even try this with one collection. According to you, they waited more than two years between taking out backwards compatability and the release of God of War HD because......no fucking reason in existence. Its truly remarkable.

And great job saying "Sony try to make money". Wow, its incredible a BUSINESS would try to MAKE MONEY!

Either you're just trolling now, or you have some serious issues. You may want to go have a tall drink of warm milk and lie down in a darkened room for a while, this really isn't worth having an anyeurism over. Or maybe you're a Sony shill gone rogue?

Sick, insane, twisted, for jokingly suggesting that a questionably valuable re-release of an already reasonably good visual-quality game that will probably look about the same as an auto-upscale might have is another of Sony's egregious money grubbing ploys... even though their policy probably has little to do with what Square Enix does and vice versa (after all, they have chequered history)... obviously not that serious about it really. Think you might be going OTT?

And "if they cared, they'd have got an original PS3". Welllll presuming they can find one, and they can afford it, and there's no PSN account linked to the non-back-compatible machine they already owned without realising the missing feature etc. Financial hurt is still hurt. I don't know what other form you may be thinking of in fact, unless there's a suggestion that the Sony governing board will personally come out and deliver a savage beatdown to anyone who wished it was somehow different. Which even I'm not doing. I mean... you monster. YOU MONSTER FOR EVEN THINKING IT.

BTW... Yes, they're in business to make money. We wouldn't begrudge them that would we. In fact part of my wider argument was that this sort of behaviour would at least be partly expected by someone trying to turn a profit. But they don't seem to have fully grasped the whole "business ethics" and "not shooting yourself in the foot by being so continually greedy that it eventually blinkers and clouds your whole judgement and some rogue consumer who's sick of your shit snaps and takes a large part of your company down" parts of running a successfuly long-term enterprise.

After browsing through forums and details about why they won't remake 7, I can safely say that they have been teasing us for the better half of a decade with this. FFX is just another crum they decided to throw so no, I won't bite. I bought FFX for PS2 and that's where I will be playing it.

Now as to why they won't remake it, the graphics reason is void cause people still play FF7 to this day, even if it looks like it does. The reason they aren't making it is cause once they do, there will be nothing else to expect from them. Plain and simple.

Is this still happening?

I saw this thread while looking something up on the forums and I had never heard of this before. FFX is one of my favorite games and while I don't own a PS3 this still intrigues me.

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