Bethesda: We Said No to Game of Thrones

Bethesda: We Said No to Game of Thrones

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Westeros wasn't quite as interesting to Bethesda as Skyrim was.

Bethesda's Todd Howard says that the studio was approached to make a Game of Thrones game, but turned it down. Howard says that there was a lot of interest internally about making a game based on George RR Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire books, but ultimately Bethesda decided it wanted to spend its time differently.

"With A Song of Ice and Fire, we went 'We want to do that!'" said Howard. "People in our studio liked it, and it seeped in a bit to what we were doing ... We wanted to do our own world ... Before we were even making Skyrim, there was a conversation with George R.R. Martin's people. They thought it would be a good match - and so did we, actually - but then we thought about if that was where we wanted to spend our time. It was tempting, though."

Howard's comments make it sound like Bethesda has shut the door on working on the Game of Thrones franchise for good. If that is the case, it's rather a shame, because - as Howard says - it would have been a good match. Still, there's no harm in keeping your fingers crossed, even if it is just wishful thinking. Don't worry if you can't wait for this nebulous future time that may or may not come to pass though; the books have still been made into a game, just not an RPG. Cyanide Games has created an RTS called Game of Thrones: Genesis, which comes out on September 29th.

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, also known as the game that Bethesda made instead of Game of Thrones, comes out for PC, PS3, and Xbox 360 on November 11th.

Source: VG247

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I saw the trailer for GoT:Genesis on Steam... One long, fairly boring cut-scene, no hint of gameplay. Not the most promising start, I have to say.

Logan Westbrook:

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, also known as the game that Bethesda made instead of Game of Thrones, comes out for PC, PS3, and Xbox 360 on November 8th.

So its not 11/11/11 anymore? That makes more sense since its a Tuesday aka typical release date but this was the first I heard it.

I've only read the first book so far, but I feel like an RTS would work better for Game of Thrones than a Bethesda style RPG. Bethesda/Western RPG's are about one person basically doing everything and saving the world. That really doesn't mesh with what I've seen of the series so far. It's much more about politics and intrigue, which fits a RTS better, or even turn-based strategy. As far as I know, Bethesda doesn't really have any experience in that area, so it's probably for the best that they aren't making a GoT game.

A wise decision, Bethesda.

Am I the only one who thinks a game of thrones vidya game is an awful idea?

Somehow, im glad.

Dont get me wrong, I love Bethesda, but I think GOT would have been better suited to someone like CDProjekt who are actually capable of weaving together a half decent main quest line.

Fai57:
I've only read the first book so far, but I feel like an RTS would work better for Game of Thrones than a Bethesda style RPG. Bethesda/Western RPG's are about one person basically doing everything and saving the world. That really doesn't mesh with what I've seen of the series so far. It's much more about politics and intrigue, which fits a RTS better, or even turn-based strategy. As far as I know, Bethesda doesn't really have any experience in that area, so it's probably for the best that they aren't making a GoT game.

Exactly, put it better than I could have ever said it. Although I do think it could be done well in RPG form, its just that Bethesda arent exactly known for their skill in crafting stories revolving around political intrigue.

I find Mount & Blade to be much closer to the world depicted in George R.R Martin's ASOIAF than any other gameworld other game developers have produced ... except maybe for Medieval Total War, but hey, you don't get to slice a horse head off in TW as you would be able to in M&B Gregor Clegane-style. From a world that can exist on its own with factions waging war against each other, traders and caravans traveling across the land of Calradia to earn their living, bandits roaming the land and political machinations etc ... The only thing that's missing is the sea aspect of warfare, and dragons.

M&B and its developers are definitely my #1 choice for a GoT/ASOIAF game, but I really doubt that will happen.

cainx10a:
I find Mount & Blade to be much closer to the world depicted in George R.R Martin's ASOIAF than any other gameworld other game developers have produced ... except maybe for Medieval Total War, but hey, you don't get to slice a horse head off in TW as you would be able to in M&B Gregor Clegane-style. From a world that can exist on its own with factions waging war against each other, traders and caravans traveling across the land of Calradia to earn their living, bandits roaming the land and political machinations etc ... The only thing that's missing is the sea aspect of warfare, and dragons.

M&B and its developers are definitely my #1 choice for a GoT/ASOIAF game, but I really doubt that will happen.

A friend of mine was actually playing a M&B GOT mod. It added in all the factions and characters to my knowledge. Looked cool.

OT: I would have liked it, but like the others have said IDK how ell they would have done it story wise. Though we can always look forward to a GOT conversion mod for Skyrim! XD Gods know if someone doesn't try to I may take a whack at it.

i really do hope that bethesda ends up making an elder scrolls style game of thrones game. if not then i cant help thinking that this would be one of the biggest missed opportunities of all time

Yeah Bethesda would be great for virtually recreating the continent of Westeros and it would be fun to wander around in it TES style, but overall their brand of story telling and gameplay wouldn't fit well with A Song of Fire and Ice. Which doesn't really need a video game for it anyway, but I'm not going to complain if they make something and will certainly check it out. Main problem is considering how awesome a series the books are, basically standing on top of the fantasy fiction world right now, there's no way a game could match up to that sort of standard.

a good way to do it would be to make it a la total war, but with more betrayal possibilities

brodie21:
i really do hope that bethesda ends up making an elder scrolls style game of thrones game. if not then i cant help thinking that this would be one of the biggest missed opportunities of all time

These sorts of properties have a ton of restrictions that come with them, particularly now that there is a TV show attached. I'd rather Bethesda have the freedom to make the games they want than attempting to do justice to their style of gameplay and a well-loved series of books (and a TV series - which the art direction would likely have to follow closely).

Even if they could pull of an OK game I doubt it would be an enjoyable developement. Anyway, with both the Elder Scrolls and Fallout IPs to work on I suspect Bethesda has their hands full.

So, Bethesda turned down the chance to make a game adaption about a wintery fantasy world embroiled in civil war after the assassination of its king, where in the far north mammoths are herded by giant shepards among the icy plains, and where dragons have returned to the world after centuries of extinction... to instead make a game about a wintery fantasy world embroiled in civil war after the assassination of its king, where mammoths are herded by giant mammoths, and dragons have returned to the world after centuries of extinction.

I totally see the difference.

...all joking aside, there are some striking similarities between Skyrim and A Song Of Ice And Fire. I can't help but think that Bethesda were less thinking "We just don't want to spend our time here" and more "Holy shit, if we make this game everyone's going to see where we've been nicking all the best ideas for our game." but that could just me being a cynical bastard.

Oh that would have been sweet.

Still, Skyrim will be even sweeter

Not sure the SoFaI series would make a good RPG...

More of an RTS kinda universe.

I get the feeling it would just end up taking the role of TES:VI instead of being a new game on its own. That would be bad.

As much as I enjoy Bethesda games, I think a Game of Thrones title by them would be awful. Bethesda couldn't write their way out of a paper bag, their main stories are terrible and their dialogue is cringe worthy.

CD Projekt Red on the other hand... Though The Witcher 2 basically already feels like something from a Song of Ice and Fire.

Why approach Bethesda for a game that would be better done by other studios? Bethesda does open ended free roaming RPGs. CD Projeckt Red or Bioware would be a much better choice for stuidos to develop it I think.

Prediction: That Genesis game? It will bomb horribly. There's no solid timeline (you can fight Aegon the Conqueror as Ned Stark, FFS!) and it's just brought out to coast on the success of the HBO series. Let us be honest about this.

It certainly proves that they have great taste in video game developers, apparently the only one that isn't in the industry, given the crappy tie-ins that keeps coming out.

Wow, that would have certainly been a perfect fit, but I'd rather have the song of fire and ice in book form and skyrim in video game form. Still, would have been fun with a good tie-in game for once! I seriously doubt this other one will be any good.

I call BS on this. They never said no to it because it was never offered to them in the first place.

GRRM has never had any interest in pushing for a game adaptation. It's cyanide that approached him first and sold him on letting them do their take on it.

this post comes off as bethesda just trying to create some extra buzz for skyrim.

Game of Thrones...isn't really suited to an open-world environment.
It would be best suited to a specific character story (that's what makes the books appealing; how all of these specific stories and points of view tie together), and that's just something Bethesda is plain AWFUL at.

The stories in Oblivion and Fallout 3? Don't make me laugh (or worse). Oblivion was about as generic of a "save the world using the McGuffins" story as it gets, and Fallout 3's plot makes no fucking sense just after the halfway point.

So unless you really just wanted a digital walkaround for King's Landing or Winterfell, or The Wall, etc it doesn't really sound like a game that plays to Bethesda's strengths.

Fai57:
I've only read the first book so far, but I feel like an RTS would work better for Game of Thrones than a Bethesda style RPG. Bethesda/Western RPG's are about one person basically doing everything and saving the world. That really doesn't mesh with what I've seen of the series so far. It's much more about politics and intrigue, which fits a RTS better, or even turn-based strategy. As far as I know, Bethesda doesn't really have any experience in that area, so it's probably for the best that they aren't making a GoT game.

i actually disagree. though that's probably because i've read all of the books.
rts does fit.. kind of. i feel like genesis is going to be a playthrough of the stories from the books from the perspective of one faction or the other... which could be nice. and the books leave a lot of leeway for the battles but you're still locked into the book's outcome. i think a social rpg would be amazing. where you can play as a new lord or a knight or a sellsword or a septon. if you could go to Kings Landing and play the "game of thrones" as it were it would be amazing. the books are so character driven that there are so many unknown factors that allow for customization. there are entire stories going on within the world that have little to do with the main cast of characters, and i think this is why it would succeed. because you could potentially play a major role, or you could choose not to.

Honestly, I'm somewhat glad about this. Bethesda does a great job developing large, open worlds, but frankly, their main stories are terrible. Which is a shame because their lore is actually really interesting, it just seems like they're completely unable to write a convincing and powerful main story, exactly what a Game of Thrones...game would need.

Logan Westbrook:
comes out for PC, PS3, and Xbox 360 on November 8th.

......Elaborate on this one bit of text.

On one hand, a ASoIaF would be completely awesome....if done right, which is pretty hard with a series like SoIaF.

[zonking great]:
Prediction: That Genesis game? It will bomb horribly. There's no solid timeline (you can fight Aegon the Conqueror as Ned Stark, FFS!) and it's just brought out to coast on the success of the HBO series. Let us be honest about this.

As far as I can tell, the single-player campaign will follow timelines, but the multi-player section will allow you to play as any house from any time. Which is an acceptable break from canon to make the MP more interesting.
Also, I'd totally take the hit to the timeline if we can get Ned to kill a dragon.

toomuchnothing:

Logan Westbrook:

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, also known as the game that Bethesda made instead of Game of Thrones, comes out for PC, PS3, and Xbox 360 on November 8th.

So its not 11/11/11 anymore? That makes more sense since its a Tuesday aka typical release date but this was the first I heard it.

No, it's still 11/11. I thnk he's getting confused with Saints Row, which is 11/8.

toomuchnothing:

Logan Westbrook:

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, also known as the game that Bethesda made instead of Game of Thrones, comes out for PC, PS3, and Xbox 360 on November 8th.

So its not 11/11/11 anymore? That makes more sense since its a Tuesday aka typical release date but this was the first I heard it.

Whoops, no its not. I went the wrong direction. CoD is that day. Saints Row is 15.

toomuchnothing:

So its not 11/11/11 anymore? That makes more sense since its a Tuesday aka typical release date but this was the first I heard it.

I know 11/11/11 is the EU release date and America usually gets their releases 3 days before us.

Just a quick note: The release date for Skyrim is November 11th. As a few people have surmised, I got the Skyrim release date mixed up with Modern Warfare 3, which is November 8th. I've corrected my mistake, and I'm very sorry for any confusion caused.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Somehow, im glad.

Dont get me wrong, I love Bethesda, but I think GOT would have been better suited to someone like CDProjekt who are actually capable of weaving together a half decent main quest line.

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I agree...it would need a fairly interesting and well written, character driven narrative, along with some great dialogue...neither of which Bethesda are particularly good at. We don't really need any more open-world games with swords and arrows.

Just wanted to bump this old thread, as now (6 years later!) rumors are starting to emerge about an actual Bethesda Game of Thrones game being in development: https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/08/27/target-may-have-just-leaked-the-existence-of-bethesdas-game-of-thrones-video-game/#132df54a3cb9.

How about some Elder Scrolls VIesteros!

How is the Game of Thrones universe better for a videogame than any other fantasy setting? I don't even know what the gameplay could look like that would justify it. Is the game supposed to tell the story? Well that's what the show is for. The only reason to do it is for name recognition.

 

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