Apple Voted Largest Influence On Gaming Industry

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geizr:
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The funny thing this wasn't positive commentary it was complete bullshit. No shit he just died but it's messed up to shine merit where he himself has done nothing to truly impact it. Those developers that chose to make games on the iPhone. Those men and women should be on the list not Steve Jobs. Apple got lucky damn lucky they shouldn't dare claim all the credit to that because it could as easily been on other outlets.

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666 posts hell yea

I agree with you that the survey is significantly skewed, and that skewing is clearly being caused by vested interest(i.e. those whose livelihoods have become dependent upon iPhone gaming); thus, the survey's results require significant qualification to bound its applicability. I said as much in the second passage of my post. Even so, you do have to admit that there is a certain conditioned reflex among posters in gaming and tech forums toward extreme vitriol whenever "Apple" or "Steve Jobs" is mentioned in any way that paints a picture that is positive or advantageous to the company, bullshit or not.

I think perhaps a good deal of it has to do with Steve Jobs being such a famous front man. It's a bit like when Colonel Sanders was the front guy for KFC, sure other people sold chicken but he stood out from the crowd in his white suit. So the survey seems more like quick name the first person who comes to mind instead of how important are they in the history of gaming.

The newest i-Phone is kind of the rage right now as well and surveys can lean toward whatever seems to be the latest greatest product of the moment.

Other companies introduced ideas like portable gaming, quick simple games, or buying games from home instead of the store so I don't think Apple is the great influence on games as just a company that was able to cash in on the innovation other companies brought to gaming.

If I'm giving top credit I'd have to say Nintendo for introducing the 2600 to make gaming at home a reality for the early gaming generation and Game Boy for popularizing the idea that gaming could be portable.

I'm pretty sure that the playstation reinvented the wheel, not steve jobs and angry birds.

Hey look.

Jim Sterling was right :P

Michael Flick:
I'm pretty sure that the playstation reinvented the wheel, not steve jobs and angry birds.

The playstation may well have re-invented the wheel but thats no good if they can't sell the so miraculous reinvention as it doesn't reach others.
Angry birds sold half a billion. 1/14 people on the fucking planet could own angry birds.

Uhhh...what? Did I fall asleep for 100 years and Apple took over the universe?

I still refuse to acknowledge mobile gaming as anything but a gimmick that needs to gtfo.

I have a feeling this vote was taken in an Apple store where a majority of the people voting have only touched Apple products.

Until recent years, apple products (Macs) had very little to do with gaming.
Gaming became big back in the Atari days , not when Apple released the iPhone.
In the devices I would expect to see the Atari 2600, IBM PC, NES and Playstation 2. These made a real difference.
In the list of people I'm surprised that there's no mention of John Carmack. Steve Jobs definitely has nothing to do with games, even if there are many games for the iDevices.
These industry professionals seem to have fish-like memory. If you don't know the history of the gaming industry you aren't an industry professional.

Well this survey is the biggest load of wank ever...

I can see a plausible argument for the Wii being more influential and game changing then xbox live and the ps1, I personally believe the biggest game changer was the ps1, as that was the foot in the door for console gaming being seen as something other then childs play, and the gateway to the ps2. Which noone can argue is the most successful console of all time.

But the iPhone? Really?

Turns out, our industry insiders are as out of touch as those of pretty much every other industry... Oh well.

Comando96:

Michael Flick:
I'm pretty sure that the playstation reinvented the wheel, not steve jobs and angry birds.

The playstation may well have re-invented the wheel but thats no good if they can't sell the so miraculous reinvention as it doesn't reach others.
Angry birds sold half a billion. 1/14 people on the fucking planet could own angry birds.

Bad comparison.

The ps1 and the ps2 also sold about a quarter of a billion between them, and they aren't 70p pieces of toilet time sink designed to be picked up and forgotten about minutes later. They're the consoles which spawned the current generation of gaming as we know it.

Shit, I would argue that the Game Boy has more of a right to be on any list of influential gaming devices then any current gen console, let alone the iPhone...

the fuck, I can't believe this shit. Even mark Zuckerberg is on the list.

freaking casuals.

A bunch of tossers said something in an incredibly stupid survey. Good thing gaming journalism is on the ball here, I don't want to miss a single piece of irrelevant bullshit going on somewhere.

Yes, Apple influenced the industry as a whole more than nintendo or sony ever did. Yes, of course. c://sarcasm....

[Edit] Surveys like this should really be asking gamers what they think, since really only we know what's been the biggest influence on us in the last few decades of gaming. How many people who game more than 5 minutes a week on a bus would actually class steve jobs as more important than people who created mario or sonic or steam?

Worgen:

When the videogame market crumbled the only ones who were willing to release a console was a little known Japanese company called nintendo.

That thought brought a smile to my face for some reason and I'm not even much of a nintendo fan.

OT: Obviously biased poll is obvious. Nothing really more to say.

Comando96:

Michael Flick:
I'm pretty sure that the playstation reinvented the wheel, not steve jobs and angry birds.

The playstation may well have re-invented the wheel but thats no good if they can't sell the so miraculous reinvention as it doesn't reach others.
Angry birds sold half a billion. 1/14 people on the fucking planet could own angry birds.

So selling alot of budget titles is more important to gaming then nintendo that brought consoles into the homes, sega that made the market competive, and then the playstation that made gaming cool that turned an entire age group into "gamers" and the microsoft that made a operating system that 99% of all games are made and developed on?

Sorry but thats bullshit, it seems that everyone has gotten the steve job virus that makes people believe hes jesus christ since he died, sorry but I don't drink that koolaid.

Jobs and Apple were instrumental in shaping gaming....this week.....in a few peoples opinion.....while they were taking a poll on their iPhone on their way to work.......after reading over 9000 articles about Jobs this week.

Tin Man:

Comando96:

Michael Flick:
I'm pretty sure that the playstation reinvented the wheel, not steve jobs and angry birds.

The playstation may well have re-invented the wheel but thats no good if they can't sell the so miraculous reinvention as it doesn't reach others.
Angry birds sold half a billion. 1/14 people on the fucking planet could own angry birds.

Bad comparison.

The ps1 and the ps2 also sold about a quarter of a billion between them, and they aren't 70p pieces of toilet time sink designed to be picked up and forgotten about minutes later. They're the consoles which spawned the current generation of gaming as we know it.

Shit, I would argue that the Game Boy has more of a right to be on any list of influential gaming devices then any current gen console, let alone the iPhone...

...Well the PS3 is an update and that does not transfer over to individuals sold to whereas you don't buy angry birds twice (unless your retarded). The PS3 sold 55 million units while the PS2 sold 3 times that kinda arguing that its impact diminished (Xbox 360 sold 57 million) so overall consoles lost players. Therefore the scope is wider and increasing casual games, pioneered by angry birds as opposed to the short lived reign of the consoles (with my PC gaming trodding along at a happy 100 million+).

Steam has only 2%???

This is quite suspicious indeed...

Michael Flick:
So selling alot of budget titles is more important to gaming then nintendo that brought consoles into the homes

Yes they are...
88.3 million Units sold.
Not to mention the least active user group

Michael Flick:
and then the playstation that made gaming cool that turned an entire age group into "gamers"

Well sadly the legacy of said device saw a 33% fall in total console users when they both upgraded to the next generation. That sort of reign is known as the Alexander the Great Reign. If you think the term Alexander the Great reign is good then you don't understand your history.

Michael Flick:
and the microsoft that made a operating system that 99% of all games are made and developed on?

If your going to play that card then we may as well dedicate the biggest impact to the creation of games to Tommy Flowers.

I'll let you do the research with that one.

Michael Flick:
Sorry but thats bullshit, it seems that everyone has gotten the steve job virus that makes people believe hes jesus christ since he died, sorry but I don't drink that koolaid.

Times are a changing and... people hate Microsoft, think Nintendo is a gimmick, Sony... psn... that pretty much leaves apple as the last company in any good standing.

Also apple lead the way with the ipod and then iphone which has lead to the new shapes of games on those devices, which are selling at an insanely high rate, for a lot wider audience.

I can't possibly think of how many flash games I played BEFORE the casual games came along (and I got a PC that didn't suffer frame rate drops when playing a flash game)

Comando96:

Michael Flick:
So selling alot of budget titles is more important to gaming then nintendo that brought consoles into the homes

Yes they are...
88.3 million Units sold.
Not to mention the least active user group

Michael Flick:
and then the playstation that made gaming cool that turned an entire age group into "gamers"

Well sadly the legacy of said device saw a 33% fall in total console users when they both upgraded to the next generation. That sort of reign is known as the Alexander the Great Reign. If you think the term Alexander the Great reign is good then you don't understand your history.

Michael Flick:
and the microsoft that made a operating system that 99% of all games are made and developed on?

If your going to play that card then we may as well dedicate the biggest impact to the creation of games to Tommy Flowers.

I'll let you do the research with that one.

Michael Flick:
Sorry but thats bullshit, it seems that everyone has gotten the steve job virus that makes people believe hes jesus christ since he died, sorry but I don't drink that koolaid.

Times are a changing and... people hate Microsoft, think Nintendo is a gimmick, Sony... psn... that pretty much leaves apple as the last company in any good standing.

Also apple lead the way with the ipod and then iphone which has lead to the new shapes of games on those devices, which are selling at an insanely high rate, for a lot wider audience.

I can't possibly think of how many flash games I played BEFORE the casual games came along (and I got a PC that didn't suffer frame rate drops when playing a flash game)

How old are you? Obviously you were oblivious to the fact that I was talking about the NES and the PSX, as for Tommy Flowers that's even more of a joke then Steve Jobs, Do you still compare a 17th century musket to a ICBM? because that's the comparison you just made.

And as for the rest of comment, I can tell you aren't going to listen to reason, because you just shat on all three companies, even though you haven't as of yet proved why Apple and Steve jobs are so important to gaming, while I have.

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Thank you , Steve Jobs , for bringing me great games such as Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment, The Elder Scrolls Series, Gran Turismo , Mortal Kombat , Quake , Doom, Half-Life , Dragon Age , Mass Effect , Fallout , Neverwinter Nights, Diablo , Guild Wars, Warcraft , Final Fantasy , Call of Duty , Halo , Resident Evil , Syberia and so many other motherfucking awesome games / series !

Oh wait...

Michael Flick:
as for Tommy Flowers that's even more of a joke then Steve Jobs, Do you still compare a 17th century musket to a ICBM? because that's the comparison you just made.

...too...much...stupid...

Tommy Flowers... The inventor of the worlds first (working) computer. Colossus which solved the Germans' Enigma codes, prolonged WW2 by dealing a large blow to the Germans so we could understand their commands and ships could avoid their U boats.

Nice to see you know your history >.>

Michael Flick:
And as for the rest of comment, I can tell you aren't going to listen to reason, because you just shat on all three companies, even though you haven't as of yet proved why Apple and Steve jobs are so important to gaming, while I have.

Truth be told since the PS1 there haven't been many great leaps and bounds from the makers of consoles. Most innovation has been on a part with the Developers for those consoles (derp) to which Microsoft and Sony can claim a pathetic amount of credit. The numbers of gamers on the consoles actually declined upon the upgrade to the next generations... not what I call bringing the industry forward, but the combination of mobile phones getting better and better as well as being cheaper and cheaper

Nintendo has for once and all proven its a gimmick that died, dragging its corpse along on popular franchises like Mario and Zelda (its killed off Metroid! and Sonic is a fucking zombie now, refusing to die).
Actually... no it does deserve more credit (than Microsoft ever does for the Xbox360 certainly) for the DS which started to trigger the notion of small portable devices with touch screen = good

They deserve credit for that.

Apple, and generally androids have created something that no one else has managed to do.

Something you need in the modern day... but it also can do everything else you could imagine except, cook, clean and procreate >.> (please do not stretch that statement to breaking point). Apple's iPod, iPhone and iPad... or any android phones are the ultimate platform for mass distribution of games.

The only other device that can do pretty much anything is a PC... but thats weighed to the floor isn't it :P

I take this kind of thing with a grain ... no, a barrel ... of salt. Your approach to reading this kind of data should be that of a music lover watching a music awards show: you know that everyone who voted on this bullcrap is ignorant and will only vote in a bumbling, sheeplike manner that is in no way indicitive of their being a competent judge.

Steve Jobs?!?!

Dude got no business riding on that list.

Jack Tretton, Sony's Village Idiot and Reggie "My body is ready" even has a better claim than that guy

If they bother to put in Steve Jobs, where is Bill Gates name?
His company created Windows and XBOX, the combined user of those "platforms" arguably eclipse Nintendo and Sony combined.

You forgot the part of the article which explains how the surveys took place in an apple store.

Mike Kayatta:
No one is denying that Steve Jobs was important to the tech community.

I sure as hell do.

He was a great idea-man, and he knew how to sell a product, but the man said himself that, while he liked technology and had an interest in it, he wasn't capable of actually making his ideas come to life.

As I understand it, way back when they released the first Apple personal computers, before IBM came into the market, he even had the audacity to have the computer say something like "If it weren't for Steve Jobs, I wouldn't exist", and I can't imagine how pissed off the actual people who BUILT the thing must have felt when they saw him go on stage to present that product.

Ah yes, who can forget the apple PipPin.

Ok these people had to have been paid or they were at an apple employee convention or something.

If the article was who has done more in the world of overpriced technology, or what company had a larger impact on really bad yet surprisingly efficient marketing to the tools of America, I could totally see those numbers.

No video games no previous systems. Im pretty sure the Atari did more for games, the turbo graphix brought CD's to the equation and later DVD's were added, then steam made it digital and provided, the still best, market place for indie gamers to get a start. Then the Android came out and did everything the Iphone and apple has done for the gaming industry but with way more freedom and a better production method without charging them for it. Iphone had 15 seconds of it being revolutionary then got trumped. It was basically handheld steam with worse selection, worse platform after purchase, and much more expensive for the type of and quality of game you get.

No I'm sorry, but I cannot agree that the iPhone and Apple is such a massive part of gaming... Of course I have a slightly conservative view on what constitutes a "gamer" and what "gaming" is, but although Apple has made simple basic (and fun, sure! They are) games available for the public to use, I do not think that the people who enjoy these games (and not much else) can be called gamer.

In the same way I don't call myself a golfer after having played a few rounds of golf... I play football now and then with friends, but I am NOT a footballer. It's not a hobby of mine, it's something that I do to pass the time when nothing else is up. I have yet to meet a "hardcore Angry Birds" gamer, it's a casual game for people not too interested, and to call yourself a "gamer" it kinda needs to be your hobby. I'm not saying you can't be a gamer if you play iPhone games and similar, plenty of my friends do, though I don't know anyone interested in games that play exclusively on the iPhone.

If a gamer is anyone who play games now and then, my grandmother is a gamer... My grandmother is NOT a gamer X3. She plays some very basic games now and then to pass the time, but it is not an interest or hobby of hers

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Off topic? I guess XD but I felt like saying it here anyway Oo.

Apple is a large part in familiarizing the general public with games, which is not bad. But what I think of as "gaming" is not something that Apple is heavily into. Their games are part of the App stream, and I think they will continue to be for a long time.

And of course Steve Jobs is more commonly known... Not because of any games though, but because he's simply a well-known person in general because of Apple and the iPod/iPhone/iPad. EVERYONE knows who he is, but it has NOTHING to do with games =3.

I think the survey was secretly funded by apple and came with free crack.
I will agree with steve jobs being influential in gaming, but not the most influential. I would put valve higher than apple. It created some of the standard baselines for shooters nowadays, as well as a pretty good engine (source engine creating half-life, CSS, Vindictus, L4D, portal, and so on). They also created steam, one of the first truly successful digital distribution platforms for gaming.
There's also microsoft, which is still the standard among OSs for laptops/desktops. They also created xbox life (Windows live doesnt exit. IT DOESNT EXIST).
Could also be given to Tim sweeney. Creator of the most prevalent gaming engine nowadays? I would definitely consider that something.
There are plenty of other things I could list, but it wouldn't be worth it.
What has apple done for the industry? They got the iphone. Yes, its a new platform that combines many of the latest and greatest gaming options. Most of what they have implemented, though, already existed. They just glued it together and said "hey, look at our innovative new product, buy it." They then charge the living hell out of people for a product that would, by any other maker, be about half the price.
Yeah, if apple is the major influence for the future, I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Oh is it April 1st already! Hahhahah! That's a good one!... Oh... you are serious... Sorry, but no. Yes the iPhone has proven that games can be done well on a nondedicated personal device, but I daresay that it is nothing absolutely ground breaking. Hell, are these people forgetting how Nintendo brought the gaming industry back out of complete ruin, or how Sega released the first console with internet access, or how Sony took CD based console gaming and made it... not suck? Sorry, but no, just because Steve Jobs died doesn't mean you have to start wanking the corpse.

This is clear bullshit. Apple have had next to no influence on the gaming industry for years, and almost none compared to Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Electronic Arts, Blizzard, id Software...

(Smug apple fan smirk) ;)

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