Apple Voted Largest Influence On Gaming Industry

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L10nH3ArT:
Well the article forgets to add in the fact that the survey was given at a convention that mostly focuses on handheld technology such as android, iproducts and the like.

Add in that fact and it kinda makes this a no brainer.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/benzingainsights/2011/11/02/steve-jobs-voted-most-influential-man-in-video-games-igniting-a-firestorm-of-complaints/

The writer for this article made me laugh. He called Sega a "dying studio".

I'm pretty sure they've been making more money than at least Nintendo for the last 2 years...

Doom972:
Until recent years, apple products (Macs) had very little to do with gaming.
Gaming became big back in the Atari days , not when Apple released the iPhone.
In the devices I would expect to see the Atari 2600, IBM PC, NES and Playstation 2. These made a real difference.
In the list of people I'm surprised that there's no mention of John Carmack. Steve Jobs definitely has nothing to do with games, even if there are many games for the iDevices.
These industry professionals seem to have fish-like memory. If you don't know the history of the gaming industry you aren't an industry professional.

You (and it looks like everyone else on this thread) forgot the Apple II. One of the first home computers to feature games with actual graphics. Yes, it was preceded by a couple of dedicated video game consoles like the Magnavox, but it was an important device in the early days of home computer gaming.

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Perhaps neither the Apple II nor the iPhone/iPad on their own would earn Jobs a place at the top of this list. But maybe having a huge impact on the industry in both its infancy and its more recent iterations resonated with industry insiders with a sense of perspective.

Falseprophet:

Doom972:
Until recent years, apple products (Macs) had very little to do with gaming.
Gaming became big back in the Atari days , not when Apple released the iPhone.
In the devices I would expect to see the Atari 2600, IBM PC, NES and Playstation 2. These made a real difference.
In the list of people I'm surprised that there's no mention of John Carmack. Steve Jobs definitely has nothing to do with games, even if there are many games for the iDevices.
These industry professionals seem to have fish-like memory. If you don't know the history of the gaming industry you aren't an industry professional.

You (and it looks like everyone else on this thread) forgot the Apple II. One of the first home computers to feature games with actual graphics. Yes, it was preceded by a couple of dedicated video game consoles like the Magnavox, but it was an important device in the early days of home computer gaming.

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Perhaps neither the Apple II nor the iPhone/iPad on their own would earn Jobs a place at the top of this list. But maybe having a huge impact on the industry in both its infancy and its more recent iterations resonated with industry insiders with a sense of perspective.

The Apple II definitely wasn't massive enough to deserve to be listed as an influential gaming platform. It had a huge impact on home computing but not so much on gaming as other platforms.

I hate to break it to the console jockeys, but anyone trying to innovate by developing games for current-gen consoles is just asking to go bankrupt. A Facebook game (Zuckerberg) or an iOS app (Jobs) is where you'll find the future of gaming.

Reminds me of how Sony entered the gaming industry and caused an upset among pre-established gamers. History repeats itself, I suppose.

This is the biggest load of shit i have heard this year. This is what you get when you ask a bunch of 19 year olds or younger to vote on this subject. I think i may crap myself out of pure fustration and anger.

AmrasCalmacil:
This... Pardon?
What the hell did this survey look like?

How has Steve Jobs done more than Shigeru Miyamoto?

Well, he was a white American so.... I do wonder what the answers would be if we asked a predominatly Asian crowd of professionals or a crowd that is made up of asians and non-asians in proportion to reality. I'm guessing, because there isn't a lot of info here, but I think that will definitely make a difference.

unacomn:
"has shaped videogames more than any other device or console,"

Where's Sid Meier in that poll, heck, where's Garriot or Peter Molyneux?

This poll is rigged, rigged I tell you!

This. As British Prime Minister Disraeli said, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. In this case, what they don't tell us or isn't shown can really change the meaning of this poll. Notice that the Wii, of all things, was second? And notice that there aren't any older gen consoles?

Some_weirdGuy:

CrystalShadow:
Um, what? Steve Jobs is the most influential person in Gaming???

The same Steve Jobs that essentially crippled gaming on Macs for a decade because he doesn't like them?

Ugh.

This is literally a kick in the teeth to the gaming community.

They never said it had to be a positive influence. ;)

XD. Fair ennough.

To be honest though I find it dubious I can sort of see the point about IOS and the Iphone, etc.

But Steve Jobs? Ugh. Get real.

Yeah I agree, to be fair Steve Jobs has (inadvertently ish) changed the industry hugely but a survey taken rather recently is also going to be a little biased.

But then I guess a survey taken 5 years ago would be all about Xbox live

Wow, lots of unfounded butthurtetry in this thread. Look at the sample population of the survey. These are mostly phone and iPad developers. Of course Steve Jobs is the most influential figure in their sector of the games industry.

The funny thing is that Jobs hated games. The iPhone/Pod/Pad wasn't designed as a gaming platform, it just became the de facto standard due to the huge demand. If the new brass at Apple actively pursues games, they have a very strong shot at dominating both the handheld market (which they basically already do) AND the console market with their new TV product. That'll be interesting to watch.

was it Michael Pachter that conducted this research?
cuz if it wasn't that explains why its so half ass!

Why are they naming individual people to represent entire companies?

IMO, I think that the top two should be Shigeru Miyamoto/Nintendo, and Sony pre-PS3.

Vrach:
Ok, first of, lolz. Not sure who voted on that crap or following what train of thought, but I reckon it's safe to say they were absolutely bonkers.

Second, why the fuck would someone compare Steam with PlayStation? Steam is not a platform, it's a store. That's like comparing an airplane to a fridge in a poll for the most efficient means of cross continent travel.

Considering most Games using Steam can only be used with steam it's a platform, if it was just a store I wouldn't need to use their service for ever game that's not produced by EA on the shelves at Wal-mart.

Steve Who?

Nintendo is by FAR the biggest impact on the video game industry as they saved video games from the crash of 83 (damn you ET) and has been one of the leading console and game makers for the past 25+ years. 2nd is Microsoft given it basically murdered every competing OS and made Windows the dominant OS (Mac has been a joke up until OS X was released and linux is very niche) and the only OS that you can play games on thanks to Direct X.

Hell Apple doesn't even really support or make app games for the Ipod and mainly just profits off the work of other people and puts it on there app store.

This survey is 150% BULLSHIT

CrystalShadow:
Um, what? Steve Jobs is the most influential person in Gaming???

The same Steve Jobs that essentially crippled gaming on Macs for a decade because he doesn't like them?

Ugh.

This is literally a kick in the teeth to the gaming community.

See... he DID influence gaming greatly.

He didn't want games on his crappy apple products in their infancy... so games developed for the PC, and from there, expanded greatly. More so than if they were designed for crappy Macs.

Can you smell bullshit?
'cause I sure do!

Steve Jobs was nothing more than a modern age "snake oil" salesman.

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The high-tech huckster promised nearly everything and gave next to nothing.

Have you checked out the new iPhone... 10% better than the last version and STILL can't run flash!

I call bullshit.

Those people who filled in the survey with "Jobs" did it since he sadly died and everyone is bragging about what a genius he was. Thats uno.

Due. There are more small, not worth mentioning companies doing boring games for the cells than big companies like let's say From Software. so that obvious they will say it's jobs since he influenced them more than Miamoto.

If not for the big N and Atari/Commodore I would't get into gaming so fast. Most of the people I know has the same opinion but on PSX, NES or Gameboy.

So it's either what I just wrote or the article was just sponsored by apple.

On a sidenote: Misterpricky I fully agree with you.

EDIT: Btw. This all is a part of a REALLY BAD trend a game jouralist wrote about in a gaming magazine in my country.
Games are getting cheaper and cheaper and dumbed down since Cell games and free browser games are getting so popular with caasuals and twats. This might(oh God please no) change into a bigger trend that might change the game industry.
Games like we had this year, full of awsomeness, like Demon's Souls, Xenoblade, Uncharted 3, GoW3, Battlefield 3, Fifa 12, Deus Ex:HR, Witcher 2 might stop comming out since quick to play, no challange at all, cheap games for cells and browsers might dominate.
Let's all hope this never happends.

For Michael!

Hitchmeister:
I hate to break it to the console jockeys, but anyone trying to innovate by developing games for current-gen consoles is just asking to go bankrupt. A Facebook game (Zuckerberg) or an iOS app (Jobs) is where you'll find the future of gaming.

Honestly, voting these two as the most influential is like voting simon cowell as the most influential person in history for TV and music. It may turn out to be true, but that's an incredibly bleak and depressing vision of the future for the medium. And one I want no part of.

AndrewC:
Stupidest thing I've ever read.

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OT: The iPhone was pretty innovative, it made use of touch screens better than the DS, IMO anyway, and let a lot of indie developers and small studios to get off the ground.

But it is hardly the most influential device in gaming history nor did Steve Jobs change gaming in any significant way, there were always phones that doubled as gaming platforms, the iPhone was just a bit better.

It's already been said , but here goes:

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Excuse me, but no, Shigeru Miyamoto (Or heck, Gabe Newell) is a gazillion times more influential than Steve Jobs.

Also, I would add that Apple once gave us this:

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My reaction to this is that something is wrong? iPhone lol what?

I do own an iPod touch like everyone else but it hasn't influence gaming in anyway. The PS2/original xbox era where the biggest influences in my opinion which is when gaming really took off.

PS2 has a HUGE gaming library and I feel it really brought gaming forward alot, although I am only 19 so my gaming history isn't that long to go back further but since they are compared this era to iPhone my views are still pretty valid

Also...

JehuBot:
It's already been said , but here goes:

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Patently absurd. Inclusion of both the Wii and the Ps One but NO NES?

Ridiculous.

martintox:
Excuse me, but no, Shigeru Miyamoto (Or heck, Gabe Newell) is a gazillion times more influential than Steve Jobs.

Also, I would add that Apple once gave us this:

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...Pip Pin? wtf is that!

Honestly never heard of that in my life... HOLY COW THAT WAS HUGE ASS BUTTON ON THE CONTROLLER! :|

OT: He has had as much influence on gaming than i have on Football...

Non...partly because i hate it.

NO!

If that was all I could type without recieving MODwrath I would but I know I cant so heres some text to flesh it out.

Who are these "Industry Professionals"? The ones who dont play videogames? The ones who are looking after the wallets? I say this is Bullocks! Pure, unfiltered Sandra Bullocks*!

* - Dont get me wrong, Sandra Bullock seems like a perfectly nice human person but that last name is too perfect.

Apple's influence on videogames before the iPhone has been pathetic. I had a Mac Plus back in 1986 and there was lots of potential for good games and a few did come out but there was no support from Apple, unless you include "Puzzle."

iPhone games mostly run free or 99 cents and you are getting what you pay for.

Now, Steve Jobs did bring the mouse and keyboard to the personal computer, back in 1984, or really just the mouse because it already had a keyboard, so he deserves credit for that. So the survey isn't entirely wrong, but they are giving him credit for entirely the wrong reason. Ironically, that might make him the most influential person on PC gaming, but not videogaming in general.

It is the development of the Windows-driven PC which has brought us to to the Battlefields, Gears of War, and Modern Warfare's as we know them today. Consoles now seek to mimic what originated on the PC. I don't think any one person can be credited with that.

In its evolution I don't know that any one person even deserves 1% credit, but was a gradual movement of technology and programming driven by thousands, responding in small steps to market pressures. The development of videogaming a grassroots effort. It was already well underway before influential people in the industry even took notice and took it seriously.

The basis of the question asked was wrong.

Electric Alpaca:
If talking about very recently, I'll be inclined to agree.

If talking about the industry in general, I'd be absolutely amazed. Nintendo clearly are the forerunners, no matter whether you're a fan of their product or not.

Nintendo WAS a frontrunner, before they were rehashing old games on a crappy console.

So much hate flowing against Steve. While I would have put gaben ahead of him, there is no reason to say "Steve Jobs never did anything for the games industry" when that obviously isn't true. Say steve never invested in the iPhone, and didn't create the two largest digital distribution markets known to man. You know where bungie started making games? The spiritual predecessors to halo were exclusively on mac. Think about how much halo has influenced gaming today.

brainslurper:
Nintendo WAS a frontrunner, before they were rehashing old games on a crappy console.

I don't normally bite to this sort of thing, but oh well:

When talking about something in general, you're talking about it 'as a whole'. So an average. Over the entirety of the history of gaming, Nintendo are the forerunners.

Your own personal feelings on Nintendo's console doesn't mean it's 'crappy' - it was groundbreaking, in fact, the last three consoles they've made were gamechanging.

Steve created a fashion accessory and strong firmware (if you can count him saying to R&D, 'build it better' as input) to further boost the casual gaming boom - a market tapped by Nintendo and PopCap.

brainslurper:
So much hate flowing against Steve. While I would have put gaben ahead of him, there is no reason to say "Steve Jobs never did anything for the games industry" when that obviously isn't true. Say steve never invested in the iPhone, and didn't create the two largest digital distribution markets known to man. You know where bungie started making games? The spiritual predecessors to halo were exclusively on mac. Think about how much halo has influenced gaming today.

Saying Halo influenced gaming is a bit strong. It influenced the FPS genre, but not gaming as a unit.

If Steve hadn't done it, Google and Android would have. Microsoft would have. As good as the iPhone is - it isn't the precipice some claim it to be.

Electric Alpaca:

brainslurper:
Nintendo WAS a frontrunner, before they were rehashing old games on a crappy console.

I don't normally bite to this sort of thing, but oh well:

When talking about something in general, you're talking about it 'as a whole'. So an average. Over the entirety of the history of gaming, Nintendo are the forerunners.

Your own personal feelings on Nintendo's console doesn't mean it's 'crappy' - it was groundbreaking, in fact, the last three consoles they've made were gamechanging.

Steve created a fashion accessory and strong firmware (if you can count him saying to R&D, 'build it better' as input) to further boost the casual gaming boom - a market tapped by Nintendo and PopCap.

brainslurper:
So much hate flowing against Steve. While I would have put gaben ahead of him, there is no reason to say "Steve Jobs never did anything for the games industry" when that obviously isn't true. Say steve never invested in the iPhone, and didn't create the two largest digital distribution markets known to man. You know where bungie started making games? The spiritual predecessors to halo were exclusively on mac. Think about how much halo has influenced gaming today.

Saying Halo influenced gaming is a bit strong. It influenced the FPS genre, but not gaming as a unit.

If Steve hadn't done it, Google and Android would have. Microsoft would have. As good as the iPhone is - it isn't the precipice some claim it to be.

So Apple loses credit for creating the digital distribution scene on mobile devices, just because Google would have done the same a couple years later? Okay, wright brothers. You guys get no credit for making the first airplane because someone else would have made one later.

brainslurper:
So Apple loses credit for creating the digital distribution scene on mobile devices, just because Google would have done the same a couple years later? Okay, wright brothers. You guys get no credit for making the first airplane because someone else would have made one later.

Look at my original post:

Electric Alpaca:
If talking about very recently, I'll be inclined to agree.

I agree, if talking about the very recent.

But considering Apple weren't really in the gaming scene until four years ago it would be pretty close minded to claim that they are the most influential.

You asked; what if Steve Jobs hadn't done it - and I told you. Apple's digital distribution wasn't too dissimilar to other methods, like Steam. It's relative openness is what made it flourish.

I'm sorry, you can't compare the invention of flight; to the invention of a phone more like a computer than previous phones, with slightly flashier firmware.

i think that while Apple has been a major influence in gaming for the past few years, to credit Steve Jobs as the biggest influence EVAR seems a bit of a blasphemy. Now adays you can get some pretty fun games on an I-product, but in the 90's you would have been hard pressed to find a Triple-A game that would run on a Mac. Dare i call Apple's rise in the world of gaming (mind you, gaming =/= technology) a phase? ...Yes, or atleast until we get our holo-decks.

Was this list made by drunken beavers? Even that would hardly explain the stupidity of this study.

misterprickly:
Can you smell bullshit?
'cause I sure do!

Steve Jobs was nothing more than a modern age "snake oil" salesman.

imageimage

The high-tech huckster promised nearly everything and gave next to nothing.

Have you checked out the new iPhone... 10% better than the last version and STILL can't run flash!

Oh my fuck. You people have been dismissing the iPhone for years simply because it doesn't run flash, and Apple has explained constantly why they don't want flash on iOS, because it is a resource hogging battery waster, that was never intended for touch devices and is outclassed in nearly every way by HTML5. Also, the new iPhone is 200% faster then the iPhone 4 in CPU strength, and 700% faster in graphics performance, putting it on par with the PlayStation Vita.

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