Australian Attorney General Calls For Violent Videogame Ban

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That stroke can't come fast enough.

This is odd as it seems it always sounds like the same response to why games are so bad. I put money one of the anti-18 rated group showed him the video of San Andreas and Carl is in a large green coloured land rover on a hill at night. Then afterwards steps out of the land rover in a grey puffa jacket and shoots the prostitute with a carbine.

I don't know if it happened by accident or was made for that purpose but there is alot of under lying tones in that short video. It takes GTA compellable out of context and for anybody that has not played the series it makes it look like a dark gritty game that murder is the only point of the game.

It is like showing someone the torture scene from Reservoir Dogs the saying yep this is the film industry to someone that have never watched a 18+ film. But it seems some in using this video to change ignorant people minds on gaming.

Just a shame it seems to be working hopefully these guide lines will calm the "games are evil" camp

Oh great, another self-righteous dipstick trying to take away our freedom, as if we haven't got enough here in Australia. Any other countries want to take some..please!?

Those regulations really are not all that bad. I mean sure you wouldnt be allowed to suck dick for crack in a game anymore but hey thats not a big loss.

Thyunda:

I don't know of any games where this is likely to happen...

It may not be likely to happen but that does not mean that it could not. They are just trying to cover themselves.

Saris Kai:
To everyone freaking out the fact that these rules have "justified by the context" everywhere and you still don't like them only shows your own immaturity. Everything in a game should be justified by the context, anything that isn't should not be a part of it regardless of what it is. If you really want context-less violence that badly you are as deranged as people like him think you are.

You couldn't really expect video game content to remain so unregulated forever did you? Nothing on that list is unreasonable, it may be sub optimal but its not worthy of such strong reactions. The Video Game industry is one of the least regulated industries, while I feel in needs more regulation in other areas (mandatory improvements to working conditions for starters) this is going to keep happening. Besides by the time it does most of you will be over 18 anyway.

Of course it would have to be somebody with a Spike avatar who speaks up with some words of wisdom. I think you pretty much covered everything that needs to be said on this.

I don't remember this kind of thing ever happening in Britain or Europe. If I'm wrong can someone correct me.

So this guy is basically trying to ban mature games , looks like he's channelling Michael Atkinson(I forget his name) by way of Bill Gates and appears who wants to challenge the video game industry?

*Ahem* CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

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This kind of stuff is always good for a laugh

R18 rating already passed in Australia months ago...

Man, these politicians are obsessed with killing prostitutes aren't they? I mean, I know every politician has killed a couple of hookers. It's an initiation ritual for most political parties. But you'd think that they'd get some therapy and stop banging on about it.

We get it! You can kill prostitutes and get away with it but I can't. You're above the law, stop rubbing it in.

Also judging from the picture Earthworm Jim has not aged well at all. His new game is going to suck.

Patrick_and_the_ricks:
Does Australia even have Freedom of speech?

sure doesn't seem like it, hell im doubting half the European countries have free speech now adays.

I thought Australia had got past this stuff already.

Oh.My.God. It will never end for Austraila.

I have to ask every - single - time...

...which games have sexual violence!?

Oh, wait. That's right, nevermind.

That guy has a face that looks fun to punch...anyway why don't you go ban ciggerates, porn, Rated R movies and beer while you're at it >.>

Andy Chalk:
The name Greg Smith may not be as instantly recognizable as, say, Michael Atkinson, but that might be about to change. Despite making hopeful noises about Australia's slow but seemingly inexorable march toward an R18+ videogame rating, Smith, the Attorney General for New South Wales, now says that games like Grand Theft Auto should be banned outright.

Goddamnit. Out of the frying pan and into another equally annoying, if lesser known, frying pan.

Andy Chalk:
"I think they should be banned," Smith said in a televised report on Australia's 7 News. "It involves a prostitute giving sexual favors for money to a man in a car, and then when she gets out, he comes out with a semi-automatic rifle and shoots her dead. Now what good does that do anybody?"

Well, the guy, for one thing. He just got laid, and then he got his money back.

More seriously, does he think that this is a valid argument? He describes it like it's something that happens, as a semi-scripted event, in every game, without exception.

Andy Chalk:
MA15+:

[ul]

  • THEMES:
  • The treatment of strong themes should be justified by the context.
  • ..."Themes"? They want to regulate themes?

    Okay, this isn't just a petty, unjustified fear of simulated violence leading to real-world violence. This is outright censorship, and not the sort that deals with actual graphic content.

    Andy Chalk:

  • SEX:
  • Sexual activity may be implied.
  • Sexual activity must not be related to incentives or rewards.
  • So no games where you ever date anyone, I guess.

    Andy Chalk:

  • DRUG USE:
  • Drug use should be justified by the context.
  • Drug use related to incentives or rewards is not permitted.
  • Interactive illicit or prescribed drug use is not permitted.
  • Looks like they're going to crack down on Mario and his mushroom abuse.

    Andy Chalk:
    R18+:

    [ul]

  • THEMES:
  • There are virtually no restrictions on the treatment of themes.
  • "Virtually"? If the previous times I've seen "there are virtually no restrictions on X" used, it's because there are restrictions on X.

    Andy Chalk:

  • VIOLENCE:
  • Violence is permitted. High impact violence that is, in context, frequently gratuitous, exploitative and offensive to a reasonable adult will not be permitted.
  • Sexual violence may be implied, if non-interactive and justified by context.
  • Ah. So even in games intended explicitly for an audience 18 or older...no character can ever get raped unless the developers are super coy about it.

    Andy Chalk:

  • SEX:
  • Sexual activity may be realistically simulated. The general rule is "simulation, yes-the real thing, no".
  • Wait, what? Does that just mean that you're not allowed to splice actual porn into the game, but as long as it doesn't depict flesh-and-blood people, you're fine?

    Andy Chalk:

  • LANGUAGE:
  • There are virtually no restrictions on language.
  • Same as theme, really, at least on the "virtually" point. Moving on.

    Andy Chalk:

  • DRUG USE:
  • Drug use is permitted
  • Drug use related to incentives and rewards is not permitted.
  • So the Saints Row drug trafficking side missions are out? And the bonuses you get for drinking/smoking?

    Andy Chalk:

  • NUDITY:
  • Nudity is permitted.

  • [/ul]

    See? It doesn't say "virtually no restrictions" here. That's a red flag for the other two.

    Andy Chalk:
    "Any game with sexual violence will be refused classification. [Smith] need not worry, sexual violence is refused classification now, and it will be refused classification once R18+ passes," O'Connor said. And while some concerns have been expressed that the new rating could still be years away, he said that he expected things to happen fairly quickly once the legislation is introduced in Parliament in early 2012.

    Wait...so does that mean he considers "sexual violence" to be violence that follows shortly after sexual content?

    Disturbed_Smurf:
    Oh great, another self-righteous dipstick trying to take away our freedom, as if we haven't got enough here in Australia. Any other countries want to take some..please!?

    um no there needs to be a place for wackos, just wish it was the artic...

    Am I ever glad that I live in Europe. Australian gamers, hang in there!

    "It involves a prostitute giving sexual favors for money to a man in a car, and then when she gets out, he comes out with a semi-automatic rifle and shoots her dead. Now what good does that do anybody?"

    Here's a hint that everyone who makes this argument should get (Because this is the exact same argument that has been used for YEARS), the game doesn't MAKE you do that, IT'S THE PLAYER'S CHOICE.

    "It involves a prostitute giving sexual favors for money to a man in a car, and then when she gets out, he comes out with a semi-automatic rifle and shoots her dead. Now what good does that do anybody?"

    When does it have that?

    Are you also going to ban the book/film that shows a man beating a whore to death?

    It's called Oliver Twist.

    Gecko clown:
    I don't remember this kind of thing ever happening in Britain or Europe. If I'm wrong can someone correct me.

    When movies first came out, it happened and it happened a lot. Just check out wiki our alike and you'll see a record of all the movies that have been banned. If something was too violent or had themes that were not deemed okay, it got banned. There are films that still get banned today, though those tend to be the really nasty ones.

    Books have a long history of being banned and burnt in countries and it still happens today, though not on nearly the same level. There was a lot of stuff about Harry Potter being read in religious schools at first and I believe a book called 'Blankets' was banned in Amercian liberies for a while. In fact there are recent cases of some texts being banned, but they do sometimes unban them.

    Basically every form of media goes through this process, it's part of how we try and deem what is and isn't okay to be seen or in this case played by the public.

    OP:
    Other than the guy who is stating his issues, which do seem a little extreme, I see no issue here. They are coming up with a system to say what can be classifed as an 18+ now, which all countries hace.

    You'd think that in a country where every part of wildlife is plotting your murder, the least of their concerns are virtual pixels.

    Dense_Electric:
    To all my Aussie gamer friends, if you'd like to move to the US we can make room (of course our country is just as bad on other things, but our idiot government finally figured out games).

    The day first-world governments realize that it is not their job to legislate morality will be a good day indeed.

    I'll happily take government that can't work out we're old enough to make decisions about violent or explicit video games over government that can't handle its economy thank you :p

    But on topic, I'd like to see and R18+ rating mainly for the sake of having our game ratings inline with most the rest of the world, and so we're ready when something worthwhile in that rating comes along. I mean to date what have we really missed out on, some dismemberment in LFD2 and XXX BMX. Or have there been some truly amazing and industry changing R rated releases that none of us ever heard about.

    wait...wasn't Australia FOUNDED by violent exiled convicts?
    You'd think they'd be all for bringing on the violence.
    (no offence intended to any Aussies reading this. just the bum fuck retarded ones)

    Ranorak:
    You'd think that in a country where every part of wildlife is plotting your murder, the least of their concerns are virtual pixels.

    you sir have won an internet but alas it is an australia internet so it isnt that good but you have won it anyway

    If I may ...

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    Let's be honest ... This is getting ridiculous now, with the Australian Head Officials desperately trying to block something that is ... to the core ... a game.

    Don't they already do this? I mean, they did censor Left 4 dead. They even banned mortal kombat (a game hardly more brutal than others available).

    By banning games on the basis that you think it will somehow encourage people to kill is saying you don't think they can tell the difference between fiction and reality. Way to go Aussies. Why don't you ban drinking and smoking instead? After all, those two things combined have killed billions of people and thats a proven fact!

    "Any game with sexual violence will be refused classification. [Smith] need not worry, sexual violence is refused classification now, and it will be refused classification once R18+ passes,"

    Well screw you guys then. No seriously, it's fucked up that people think censorship of fiction is OK if it's offensive/sick enough.

    Any proper government would not censor Rapeplay or any other game just because there's rape (of pixels) in it.

    Satsuki666:
    Those regulations really are not all that bad. I mean sure you wouldnt be allowed to suck dick for crack in a game anymore but hey thats not a big loss.

    There is no reason why such a ban needs to exist. They are bad and they should not be acceptable.

    I don't think these guys are going anywhere anytime soon *sigh*

    Maybe the Australian people could band together and build a giant hammer to knock some sense into them

    Saris Kai:
    To everyone freaking out the fact that these rules have "justified by the context" everywhere and you still don't like them only shows your own immaturity.

    Or that they care about free speech and are opposed to unwarranted censorship.

    Saris Kai:
    If you really want context-less violence that badly you are as deranged as people like him think you are.

    I don't want context-less fictional violence to be banned, and I would appreciate it if you stop pretending you're a psychologist or a mind reader.

    Saris Kai:

    Nothing on that list is unreasonable,

    Yes it is. This is censorship of FICTION, this is banning certain types of FICTION from adults. It's inherently unreasonable. Even if the only stipulation was "you cannot rape babies in the video game" that would be unreasonable.

    Saris Kai:
    Besides by the time it does most of you will be over 18 anyway.

    Refused classification means no one would be able to play including adults.

    Andy Chalk:
    "I think they should be banned," Smith said in a televised report on Australia's 7 News. "It involves a prostitute giving sexual favors for money to a man in a car, and then when she gets out, he comes out with a semi-automatic rifle and shoots her dead. Now what good does that do anybody?"

    Well, nothing worse than the atrocities politicians have done in the past.

    Just make the prostitute NPCs unkillable. Easy.

    Yeah, who needs freedom anyway? The governments surely know better what people should do in their spare time
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    Congratulations to the turkey-necked politician Greg Smith! While he continues to hold his country back with ass-backward ideas and principles that go against the way the world is shaping out to be, the rest of us will sit back and laugh and laugh and laugh!

    Kudos again to you Greg Smith! You sir, are a bona fied jackass!

    What a dick. And I am getting really tired about the whole "you can have sex with then kill a prostitute" line. People who keep parroting that obviously know nothing about what they are talking about. They just keep repeating that bloody line over and over because they heard someone else say it. All of them neglect to mention that it's entirely optional and the game doesn't give you any reason to do it at all. They also seem to neglect to mention what game it's from! They're just all like "You can do that in these video-game things you know! They're evil!" They have no idea. I really hope the rest of the Australian government see sense and just tell this guy to go fuck himself.

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