There's an entire platoon of cheaters, one guy had almost 1 billion points about 3weeks ago. There are also a lot of people already at 20 or higher than the max level from that exploit.
Are people really trying to justify this using the flimsy excuse "well I get xp by repairing vehicles in other ways, so this should be ok too."
No. Just stop. You know there is a distinct difference between the 2 in terms of gameplay.
Yes, the glitches should be patched. that's a no brainer. But if I remember the midnight launch of the game correcly, EA intentionally waited to turn on the multiplayer servers so everyone would start at the same time and have a fair shot from the get go. And considering the perks you get as you rank up/level up classes, I can understand that.
Hell you can compare a little bird pilot who has IR flares, heat seekers, etc. to one who has nothing and tell me who's going to win that dog fight.
So yes, this glitch isn't just a short cut to max rank. It presents an unfair advantage over other legitimate players. And EA ain't playin that game.
They cheated, knew what they were doing was an exploit of game mechanics, and did it anyway. No sympathy.
Croaker42: Yet another example of why I don't feel bad bowing out of this iteration multiplayer FPS. ORIGIN makes me sick and needs to stop before I step anywhere near EA again. Also EA is disrespecting their online crowd kind of hard with this. Exploiting has gone hand in had with their games since the beginning.
How so, exactly? There will always be ways to get around things, no matter what EA does. Exploiting is just idiotic, if you're going to play the game then do so properly. Sure, you can get 10000 points by shifting right there and pressing the G key and reciting Ovid, but that's not playing the game. No one likes it, and it's usually no better than hacking, just harder to prove.
First I am at a point where I realize that plenty of fun games exist in the world. Plenty fun games that don't use origin. So on that matter I stand on principal and choose not to play BF3 at all. As I am not a MW fan, I guess that leaves me out of the current gen of multiplayer FPS
As for glitching; People do take part in it so it turns out that some people do enjoy it. Similar to the fact that I don't like gum chewers but gum chewers enjoy chewing gum. I don't think I have the right to tell them to stop. "Life experience may change when dealing with other people."
I know you all feel like justice was served, but imagine how it must feel to be theese people. They paid 60(ish) dollars to play a game, and got banned from it because they were using an exploit that got passed the developers. That's pretty stupid if you ask me. They should get a slap on the wrist at most, but banning them on the fault of the devs is downright wrong. I'm probably never buying another EA published game, I'm just really tired of their shit. This brings back memories of SecuROM...
Stainlesssteele4: I know you all feel like justice was served, but imagine how it must feel to be theese people. They paid 60(ish) dollars to play a game, and got banned from it because they were using an exploit that got passed the developers. That's pretty stupid if you ask me. They should get a slap on the wrist at most, but banning them on the fault of the devs is downright wrong. I'm probably never buying another EA published game, I'm just really tired of their shit. This brings back memories of SecuROM...
So what you're saying is that the player, knowing using an exploit and getting an advantage over the other players illegitimately, should always be treated better than those who play fair and square?
Sorry, but that just doesn't fly amongst those that play the game fairly and don't use cheats/exploits.
Croaker42: Yet another example of why I don't feel bad bowing out of this iteration multiplayer FPS. ORIGIN makes me sick and needs to stop before I step anywhere near EA again. Also EA is disrespecting their online crowd kind of hard with this. Exploiting has gone hand in had with their games since the beginning.
How so, exactly? There will always be ways to get around things, no matter what EA does. Exploiting is just idiotic, if you're going to play the game then do so properly. Sure, you can get 10000 points by shifting right there and pressing the G key and reciting Ovid, but that's not playing the game. No one likes it, and it's usually no better than hacking, just harder to prove.
First I am at a point where I realize that plenty of fun games exist in the world. Plenty fun games that don't use origin. So on that matter I stand on principal and choose not to play BF3 at all. As I am not a MW fan, I guess that leaves me out of the current gen of multiplayer FPS
As for glitching; People do take part in it so it turns out that some people do enjoy it. Similar to the fact that I don't like gum chewers but gum chewers enjoy chewing gum. I don't think I have the right to tell them to stop. "Life experience may change when dealing with other people."
Really not a valid excuse. the "gum chewers" in this case are actually putting others at an unfair disadvantage in more ways than 1. In a competitive environment, this is unacceptable.
If exploiting glitches is their idea of fun, there's plenty of offline games or games with shitty security they can play. But BF3 is not one of them.
I am glad EA is taking a zero tolerance stance when it comes to cheating. and yes boosting and exploiting game bugs is cheating and is just as bad as using chams or an aimbot. do i feel sorry because some jackass exploited a bug and got an unfair advantage then recieved a ban for it? hell no! fuck them! they cheated while knowing they were cheating and deserved the ban. zero tolerance and no excuses of "oh i didnt know it was a glitch..." or "well the devs left it in there so im going to use it" bullshit.
Volf99: Is it really cheating to exploit a glitch that the game developers made? I get being ticked off by hackers, but exploiting a glitch is different.
No, it's not. A glitch is simply something that shouldn't happen and hasn't been patched yet (or due to the nature of the glitch, isn't something that can be patched). The game developers didn't "make" the glitch, that would make it a feature. A glitch is an unwanted side-effect of something. If you want to cheat the game with glitches, keep it to yourself in single player.
CardinalPiggles: Is exploiting a games feature really considered cheating? If so you better ban those Speed runners too.
Nonsense. Speed running a single player game has no effect on anyone else. Exploting glitches in a game to get points gives you unlocks and access to other features that you are supposed to work for and not have access to for some time.
mjc0961: I feel sorry for the MW3 fans. You just know that with how these cheaters act, they're going to rant about how they did nothing wrong (bullshit) and say that they're going to get MW3 instead. And then the people who just want to enjoy MW3 will have to put up with those fuck nuggets who want to glitch and cheat instead, as if they didn't have enough of those people already.
opening day there were already vast amounts of people using aim-bots. It's sad really.
Enverex: [quote="Volf99" post="7.323169.13236062"]Is it really cheating to exploit a glitch that the game developers made? I get being ticked off by hackers, but exploiting a glitch is different.
No, it's not. A glitch is simply something that shouldn't happen and hasn't been patched yet (or due to the nature of the glitch, isn't something that can be patched). The game developers didn't "make" the glitch, that would make it a feature. A glitch is an unwanted side-effect of something. If you want to cheat the game with glitches, keep it to yourself in single player.
The thing about the glitch, as apposed to hacking is that everybody is able to do it, not only certain people. I guess my whole point is that if anybody should be in trouble, it should be the people who made the game, not the people who exploit the developers glitch.
As for glitching; People do take part in it so it turns out that some people do enjoy it. Similar to the fact that I don't like gum chewers but gum chewers enjoy chewing gum. I don't think I have the right to tell them to stop. "Life experience may change when dealing with other people."
Really not a valid excuse. the "gum chewers" in this case are actually putting others at an unfair disadvantage in more ways than 1. In a competitive environment, this is unacceptable.
If exploiting glitches is their idea of fun, there's plenty of offline games or games with shitty security they can play. But BF3 is not one of them.
Fly a kite in any public park but mine?
Even if the park has rules against flying kites, some people just have to fly kites. Should they go somewhere else or perhaps do it out of sight? Probably. But flying a kite where no one else can see it gets really boring.
However I can understand how this entire thing would piss off the launch day stat jockeys. Of course from my perspective those people should be off in their own heavily moderated league servers or whatever they do.
Did EA do the right thing? Yeah I guess so. Is it disrespectful to a long standing Battlefield tradition? Yes. Hell if they keep it up, jet hogs that rack up hundreds of jet kills a game could be considered stat paders.
Volf99: The thing about the glitch, as apposed to hacking is that everybody is able to do it, not only certain people. I guess my whole point is that if anybody should be in trouble, it should be the people who made the game, not the people who exploit the developers glitch.
Not true, if one person can download a "hack" then anyone can. It's just exploiting glitches is easier because it doesn't require any outside intervention. The part about the people making the game being in trouble is just juvinile. I'm sure it'll get resolved with (almost all) of the other bugs and issues in the game at the moment. It just sounds like you're trying to justify your own cheating at the moment.
As for glitching; People do take part in it so it turns out that some people do enjoy it. Similar to the fact that I don't like gum chewers but gum chewers enjoy chewing gum. I don't think I have the right to tell them to stop. "Life experience may change when dealing with other people."
Really not a valid excuse. the "gum chewers" in this case are actually putting others at an unfair disadvantage in more ways than 1. In a competitive environment, this is unacceptable.
If exploiting glitches is their idea of fun, there's plenty of offline games or games with shitty security they can play. But BF3 is not one of them.
Fly a kite in any public park but mine?
Even if the park has rules against flying kites, some people just have to fly kites. Should they go somewhere else or perhaps do it out of sight? Probably. But flying a kite where no one else can see it gets really boring.
However I can understand how this entire thing would piss off the launch day stat jockeys. Of course from my perspective those people should be off in their own heavily moderated league servers or whatever they do.
Did EA do the right thing? Yeah I guess so. Is it disrespectful to a long standing Battlefield tradition? Yes. Hell if they keep it up, jet hogs that rack up hundreds of jet kills a game could be considered stat paders.
If we're in a kite-flying competition and you're beefing up your kite by adding things that are against the rules. Yes, it's fair that you be penalised for that.
Is it really cheating to exploit a glitch that the game developers made? I get being ticked off by hackers, but exploiting a glitch is different.
Didnt you know your not allowed to do anything that the developers do not approve of. It does not matter if it is in the game or even if it is a glitch or not. If the developers dont like it its not a ban worthy crime. I have actually seen stat resets and bans for things that are no where near this bad in CoD before though so this does not surprise me.
They own the servers so... yeah.
Anyways, good to see them banning exploiters. I would have liked to see them release an emergency hot-fix at the same time but I have no idea how complex the code is so it might take them some time.
I hate people exploiting the game and ruining other peoples fun but I don't think they should be banned or it. It's not their fault that the makers left glitches that could be exploited. Booting yes. Ban them. Don't ban those using a glitch that should have been located before the game was released.
As for glitching; People do take part in it so it turns out that some people do enjoy it. Similar to the fact that I don't like gum chewers but gum chewers enjoy chewing gum. I don't think I have the right to tell them to stop. "Life experience may change when dealing with other people."
Really not a valid excuse. the "gum chewers" in this case are actually putting others at an unfair disadvantage in more ways than 1. In a competitive environment, this is unacceptable.
If exploiting glitches is their idea of fun, there's plenty of offline games or games with shitty security they can play. But BF3 is not one of them.
Fly a kite in any public park but mine?
Even if the park has rules against flying kites, some people just have to fly kites. Should they go somewhere else or perhaps do it out of sight? Probably. But flying a kite where no one else can see it gets really boring.
However I can understand how this entire thing would piss off the launch day stat jockeys. Of course from my perspective those people should be off in their own heavily moderated league servers or whatever they do.
Did EA do the right thing? Yeah I guess so. Is it disrespectful to a long standing Battlefield tradition? Yes. Hell if they keep it up, jet hogs that rack up hundreds of jet kills a game could be considered stat paders.
It's not about "zomg he has moar points than I do!" It's that with those points, come unlocks for equipment/weapons. Stuff that he shouldn't have access to yet, but he does. On top of that, his team is now down at least 2 players (it takes 2 to do this glitch. generally have to have a friend inside the vehicle to get xp for repairing.) Thus ruining the experience for the other people on his team who are now outnumbered (and usually beaten) because they were too busy fucking around.
As for the guy in a jet getting hundreds of kills... those are all kills he earned. Every bit of xp he gets he deserves. It's not stat padding if you grind through it like everyone else.
So yes, in the interest of preserving game balance (and thus, longevity for the game itself), EA brought down the banhammer and brought it down hard. And the cheaters learned a valuable lesson at the price of 60$.
Anyways, good to see them banning exploiters. I would have liked to see them release an emergency hot-fix at the same time but I have no idea how complex the code is so it might take them some time.
Could you perhaps explain to me why it is a good idea to ban somebody for leveling up faster? Its not like people using this glitch are actually hurting anybody they are just gaining levels. They arnt cheating to do it or anything either.
Volf99: The thing about the glitch, as apposed to hacking is that everybody is able to do it, not only certain people. I guess my whole point is that if anybody should be in trouble, it should be the people who made the game, not the people who exploit the developers glitch.
Not true, if one person can download a "hack" then anyone can. It's just exploiting glitches is easier because it doesn't require any outside intervention. The part about the people making the game being in trouble is just juvinile. I'm sure it'll get resolved with (almost all) of the other bugs and issues in the game at the moment. It just sounds like you're trying to justify your own cheating at the moment.
seeing as how I'm an idiot when it comes to downloading things (getting mods for Minecraft is a nightmare for me, I always screw it up >_< ) I would say that mods are not available for everybody because that requires knowing how to get them, which as I stated I have no idea. I'm just saying that if people want to play the blame game when it comes to exploiting glitches, then lets place it on the people who made the glitches in the first place.
Also, I've never played any games of the Battlefield series. I usually stick to western RPG's and single player FPS shooters. So I'm not trying to justify any actions that you assume I've taken, just fyi.
I see people have the complete lack of understanding of how rules/laws/etc work, if it's impossible theres generally no rule against it.....
Just becasue you can do something, doesnt mean you should.
If someone steps out of their supercar to post a letter, leaves the keys in, and the engine running does that make it legal to take the car? Of course not, even in a controlled enviroment theres laways the chance of chinks in the armour, thias doesnt make it right to exploit them.
Exploit banning is fairly standard procedure in online exploiting, though genrally only MP portions (and to all intents and purposes thats not much less than a full game ban in BF3). The full severity of the ban varies, but this is by no means an unusual affair.
Thats just dumb... If someone is able to exploit the game by doing this then its EA's own damn fault. Theres no need to go banning anyone, especially without giving them a warning first. At the very least give them a warning...
When I saw the title I assumed it was for people who modded the game. Even RoosterTeeth made a video showing people how to do this.
Dango: It's the developer's fault for letting such an obvious exploit into the game, no one deserves to be banned for it.
Seconded! I don't own BF3, but by the sounds of everything hear, It sounds like people pay $60 to borrow their game, not own it.
As for the bannings, People who use hack should be banned, no question. But to ban a player who just spent $60 on your game for something your company didn't account for, it just a good way to lose dedicated fans and give a bad rep for your company.
Really not a valid excuse. the "gum chewers" in this case are actually putting others at an unfair disadvantage in more ways than 1. In a competitive environment, this is unacceptable.
If exploiting glitches is their idea of fun, there's plenty of offline games or games with shitty security they can play. But BF3 is not one of them.
Fly a kite in any public park but mine?
Even if the park has rules against flying kites, some people just have to fly kites. Should they go somewhere else or perhaps do it out of sight? Probably. But flying a kite where no one else can see it gets really boring.
However I can understand how this entire thing would piss off the launch day stat jockeys. Of course from my perspective those people should be off in their own heavily moderated league servers or whatever they do.
Did EA do the right thing? Yeah I guess so. Is it disrespectful to a long standing Battlefield tradition? Yes. Hell if they keep it up, jet hogs that rack up hundreds of jet kills a game could be considered stat paders.
It's not about "zomg he has moar points than I do!" It's that with those points, come unlocks for equipment/weapons. Stuff that he shouldn't have access to yet, but he does. On top of that, his team is now down at least 2 players (it takes 2 to do this glitch. generally have to have a friend inside the vehicle to get xp for repairing.) Thus ruining the experience for the other people on his team by beating outnumbered (and usually beaten) because they were too busy fucking around.
As for the guy in a jet getting hundreds of kills... those are all kills he earned. Every bit of xp he gets he deserves. It's not stat padding if you grind through it like everyone else.
So yes, in the interest of preserving game balance (and thus, longevity for the game itself), EA brought down the banhammer and brought it down hard. And the cheaters learned a valuable lesson at the price of 60$.
So the guy that TKs repetitively to get that jet/heli/tank is just grinding out like the rest of us? Its exploiting a feature of the game for your benefit over someone else. How about when a large number of your team ques up for aircraft or spawns sniper and doesn't know know to snipe and take objectives? They have taken themselves out of the game putting the team to a disadvantage. Face it two more d-bags are not going to make the game winning difference. If someone lets things like this affect them in online play then they probably shouldn't be playing online.
In my opinion this is technically should also be part of DICE's fault too, having designed such an obvious bug. Perma banning may be a bit too harsh but then restarting their stats seem to be a better option.
...having heard how people really want to unlock their equipments so badly though, it seems like they just want to be able to play with all the toys available from the get go, so to the developers out there: Maybe Leveling up is not important at all in FPS multiplayers, people just want to be able to use all their guns (except if they just want to raise rank for show).
On the other hand theres barely any oceania BF3 servers available anyway.
...The dragon must have ate them all up. *dons armor and sets off to the nearest dragon mound*
Dango: It's the developer's fault for letting such an obvious exploit into the game, no one deserves to be banned for it.
I agree, stats reset is the fair punishment. Especially since THIS SAME EXACT BUG WAS IN BAD COMPANY! C'mon DICE, wtf?
I know people who got stats reset for doing it then, and I told them they were lucky that Evil Asshole corp didn't get their entire Live account perma-banned.
Lt. Vinciti: Because your game is broken at release and you dont have time to fix it...its faster just to ban those people...and call it a day...
Seems off to me...
ALSO IF YOU HADNT TURNED EVERY GOD DAMN FPS GAME INTO A GOD DAMN ROLE PLAYING GAME PEOPLE WOULDNT WANT TO CHEAT OR BOOST
I love you soooo much. I see all these ignoramuses posting about how boosters are gaining an unfair advantage, when it's just people that rank up in general that are getting unfair and unneeded advantages over noobs. I was okay with it in BF2 and CoD4 where you just unlock variety, but now in BF3 and MW3 the unlocks give player superiority. It's the veteran's experience that should make them supeior to new players, not arbitrary stat boosts (CoD Pro Perks) and extra weapons (BF3 vehicle unlocks).
Also, I like how EA thinks they can get away with not fixing their old games (BF:BC2) before releasing new ones (BF3).Sure, you might get my money now, but someday another developer is going to make a game similar to Battlefield except they'll actually fix things post-launch, and guess who's gonna get my money then?
Petromir: I see people have the complete lack of understanding of how rules/laws/etc work, if it's impossible theres generally no rule against it.....
Just becasue you can do something, doesnt mean you should.
If someone steps out of their supercar to post a letter, leaves the keys in, and the engine running does that make it legal to take the car? Of course not, even in a controlled enviroment theres laways the chance of chinks in the armour, thias doesnt make it right to exploit them.
Exploit banning is fairly standard procedure in online exploiting, though genrally only MP portions (and to all intents and purposes thats not much less than a full game ban in BF3). The full severity of the ban varies, but this is by no means an unusual affair.
Actually, many exploits are incorporated into accepted play, blurring the line between acceptable and unacceptable exploits. In a lot of cases they can add an extra layer of depth.
In Street Fighter for example, 'kara-throws' are a glitch where by performing an attack that moves you forward immediately followed by a throw allows you to extend your throw range massively. This has been accepted by the developers and has actually been designed to be incorporated in games after it's discovery because it adds an extra layers to the depth of the game.
In Call of Duty, 'quick-scoping' is a glitch abusing the autoaim system.
In Battlefield 2, dolphin diving was a glitch that allowed you to fire accurately while being hard to hit.
If a developer doesn't want a glitch in their game, patch it out. Don't leave it up to players to decide whether or not a glitch is acceptable or not.
Valve does it right, it's always hilarious to exploit the latest glitch in TF2 because you know Valve will patch it by tomorrow anyway. Here's a great example:
This isn't right. You can't ban people for playing within the programming of your game. It's not the player's fault you didn't have any oversight regarding the jeep thing. You can't ban someone for doing what the game allows them to do! If you don't want them doing it, fix the damn game. But don't take it out on the players.
So the guy that TKs repetitively to get that jet/heli/tank is just grinding out like the rest of us? Its exploiting a feature of the game for your benefit over someone else. How about when a large number of your team ques up for aircraft or spawns sniper and doesn't know know to snipe and take objectives? They have taken themselves out of the game putting the team to a disadvantage. Face it two more d-bags are not going to make the game winning difference. If someone lets things like this affect them in online play then they probably shouldn't be playing online.
Funny, I haven't been TK'ed yet in an attempt to get a vehicle. Probably because alot of the important ones (like aircraft/tanks) give you the option to spawn directly into them. That and there's no friendly fire in Conquest/Rush.
As for your sniper arguement, you can't take someone's playstyle and say it's no different than a faulty game mechanic that is intentionally exploited to disrupt game balance along with the flow of gameplay. If a sniper chooses to sit in 1 spot and shoot at whatever happens to come into his field of view, yes that's a disadvantage for the team because he's being a worthless prick. It's also a disadvantage for him, he's not getting jack shit in points. It evens out. The entire point of XP (aside from being 1 giant time sink) is to encourage you to play the game well. This glitch rewards you XP for not playing the game at all. That doesn't seem just a little skewed to you?
It's a slap in the face to anyone who ranks up legitimately and earns their upgrades.
As for "it's only 2 people, they don't make a difference", I call shenanigans. 2 people can win the game for you, even when the rest of the team is a bunch of troglodytes. I've done it, others have done it, so yes it does matter.
This has been a glitch inherent in their recent games. In other words "How do you miss something so obvious that you've had difficulty with in the past?" ...
Wow they actually did something about the cheaters, some of them were so very very blatant about it. Given how poorly they moderate their own forums I didnt hold out much hope for them monitoring the game either.
Grey Carter: The patch will also, and I feel this is significant, reduce the brightness of the tactical flashlight to "really goddamn bright" compared to its current setting of "tiny handheld sun."
Lol :)
*Edit* Ok so the story sounded great about them banning cheaters, yet I go check battlelog and the guy with the highest K/D ratio of 30:1 is still there and exploiting. If you have BF3 take a look at this report http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/5463420/1/367112736/ He has 181 kills to 1 death, next best guy is 34:17. Maybe DICE are just banning people on the console version of the game?
On one hand, I'm glad they ban cheaters. But can we really trust them to get only guilty people? Probably not.
On the other hand, you offend in their forums and you get your account banned....
It feels like signing into an EA account in the not to distant future may become a bannable offense. Just another reason to never purchase another game from them.
Is it really cheating to exploit a glitch that the game developers made? I get being ticked off by hackers, but exploiting a glitch is different.
Didnt you know your not allowed to do anything that the developers do not approve of. It does not matter if it is in the game or even if it is a glitch or not. If the developers dont like it its not a ban worthy crime. I have actually seen stat resets and bans for things that are no where near this bad in CoD before though so this does not surprise me.
wow....that's really messed up. Talk about abuse of power.
ok heres my thought: exploiting a game in single player, 100% ok. exploiting it in multiplayer however...thats no good.
There's an entire platoon of cheaters, one guy had almost 1 billion points about 3weeks ago. There are also a lot of people already at 20 or higher than the max level from that exploit.