Final Fantasy XIII-2 Debuts to Lackluster Sales

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Final Fantasy XIII-2 Debuts to Lackluster Sales

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In its first week of sales, Final Fantasy XIII-2 sold only 1/3 as well as its predecessor.

Most game developers would jump on top of their servers and dance for joy if their game sold 500,000 copies within its first week. Square Enix is not one of those developers. Final Fantasy XIII-2, the follow-up to 2010's often-maligned Final Fantasy XIII, cleared the half-million sales mark in only four days. While these sales figures are not bad on their own, it's a decline of roughly 66% from Final Fantasy XIII's 1.5 million units sold within the same time frame.

There are a few possible reasons why Final Fantasy XIII-2's sales have not lived up to its predecessor's. Despite generally positive reviews, Final Fantasy XIII did not sit well with many fans due to its extremely linear level design, baffling story, and glacial pacing. Those who did not enjoy the game are unlikely to invest in its sequel. Furthermore, the disastrous launch and slow recovery of Final Fantasy XIV left the brand in a "greatly damaged" state, which could make new fans hesitant to buy anything bearing the words Final Fantasy.

While the behemoth-sized series does not appear to be in any real danger, these sales figures could spell a different fate for the Final Fantasy XIII sub-franchise. 500,000 units may well cover the cost of production, and XIII-2 will definitely sell more copies over the next few weeks, as well as in January and February, when the game hits Western shores. If Square Enix was expecting the sequel to perform on par with the original, however, it may be shy about pumping additional money into continuing the story of Cocoon and Gran Pulse.

Since the game has only been out for a few days, it's far too early to draw any meaningful conclusions from the data. If the sales figures are a sign of things to come, however, Square Enix may want to reevaluate that proposed yearly release schedule. It may not be as profitable as it looks.

Source: Gamasutra

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Oh what a shame. Who could have guessed that releasing a Sub-par MMO, completely changing most of the stuff loved by the fan base, and making a sequel with a cast that's almost completely different to their original selves could impact sales. I mean, its not likely anyone could possibly get annoyed at a previously open and exploration capable series have an extended twenty hour tutorial before half the features could be unlocked.

That being said, while I like some of the ideas and things used, I disagree with them being tacked on to the Crystals Franchise. Seems like too much of a game departure from the original 13, which might have been a good thing if it wasn't for all the changes. Throw in the mid battle quick time events, and a plot that seems rather derivative, and they should have simply made this Final Fantasy 15, instead of changing what little lore the original 13 had. Especially since they are trying to shoe horn a connection to the other Crystal games, which were supposed to be linked by nothing but themes.

Maybe Squenix will get the hint that their larger audience doesn't want 90% of their game consisting of running down a corridor just to activate the next 80 minute cut scene.
Or maybe the people who defined the JRPG could remember that there are more than two buttons on my controller.

After totally knifing their fanbase in the back then kicking them in the gutter to bleed after final fantasy 14, WHAT DO THEY EXPECT!?!

Well, those who got FFXIII-2 the day of its release are probably FF's loyal fans. For example, I am one of those people who will not only get the game the same day it comes out, but I already reserved the special edition. I haven't finished FFXIII, though, and I am hating its glacial pacing. But there's something something that makes me wanna keep playing. And I have hopes that Square-Enix learned from its mistake and will fix this. I don't know. I can only hope.

No, I haven't seen any Japanese walkthroughs or anything. I only trust my own review of the game. So we'll see in about a month.

Huh.
I didn't even hear about it coming out. All the Final Fantasy advertisements I've seen have been for Type 0.

On the other hand, there's no way I would have bought the game after playing XIII. I didn't even mind the pacing or the linearity, I just felt insulted that they would have so many cutscenes without hiring someone who actually knows how to direct (it seems like a lot of people making game cutscenes are people who wanted to make movie. There's generally a good reason they couldn't make it in the film industry.). Seriously, SquareEnix produces some of the worst choreography and editing for action scenes I've ever seen. On top of that, isn't this sequel supposed to be centered around one of the most annoying and bland characters from the first one?

For some reason, I read this headline, smiled, and sighed with relief.

I think I'm a bad person. All I could think was YEAH FUCK YOU FINAL FANTASY XIII. God I hated FFXIII. I'm so happy to see it failing. I have never been this vindictive with any game series, ever. Even if Call of Duty - a series I despise - announced it sold badly, I'd feel slightly let down, and sorry for the devs.

This news? This news cheered me up...

Is it bad that i want this game to do poorly? If only because i want them to take a long hard look at were the series is heading and actually make something good?

I mean I'm a huge fan of their old games, chrono trigger, ff6, ff7, ff9, even chrono cross, All great games. Their new games just keep getting worse with confusing stories and plot lines, Terrible scripts, annoying characters and overlong tutorials. Its getting so bad ever hard core fans i knew are having a harder and harder time defending them.

It is time for them to step back find what has been working and what hasn't and try to expand from their, and maby they will make something good again.

Yeah, I prolly won't care about this. FFXIII was such a horrible game, can't see how this could be better. I wonder is SquareEnix is going to figure at some point again why earlier final fantasies are actually liked.

digital warrior:
Is it bad that i want this game to do poorly? If only because i want them to take a long hard look at were the series is heading and actually make something good?

I mean I'm a huge fan of their old games, chrono trigger, ff6, ff7, ff9, even chrono cross, All great games. Their new games just keep getting worse with confusing stories and plot lines, Terrible scripts, annoying characters and overlong tutorials. Its getting so bad ever hard core fans i knew are having a harder and harder time defending them.

It is time for them to step back find what has been working and what hasn't and try to expand from their, and maby they will make something good again.

roughly this.

still, i really hope this doesn't detract them from continuing ff 13 versus, from what i have seen on THAT game i REALLY REALLY liked it and was super interested in it.

if they took final fantasy back to it's roots, but just with updated graphics and more vibrant worlds, i would toss them trunk loads of cash

While thats a huge decline Im kinda surprised it sold that much its first week. While it duxs to see how bad a favored game company has declined, Im kinda glad it happened. SE got way too comfy with its name.

well that sucks I liked final fantasy XIII but I do hope they change the upgrade system for weapons and give bounty hunter log in final fantasy XIII-2. If they fix those two things I'll be really happy.

Always funny how gamers take stuff like a bad game in the series so damn personally. Like to play this game because it sounds like they fixed the problems. Big let down with Final Fantasy 13, but I don't want them to stop making it. Every company makes god awful choices and they are not immune to it. Really funny how gamers think that every game that comes out has to be tailored for them or it sucks. Thats a high horse I would gladly kick you down from if I could.

Andy of Comix Inc:
For some reason, I read this headline, smiled, and sighed with relief.

I think I'm a bad person. All I could think was YEAH FUCK YOU FINAL FANTASY XIII. God I hated FFXIII. I'm so happy to see it failing. I have never been this vindictive with any game series, ever. Even if Call of Duty - a series I despise - announced it sold badly, I'd feel slightly let down, and sorry for the devs.

This news? This news cheered me up...

You aren't the only one, my friend. I was burned so badly by FFXIII. Only by getting it out of my house could I let the healing begin. Without hyperbole, it was a game that felt painful to play. And it's one of a few games I haven't finished, and likely never will.

OT: Not shocked by this news, mind you.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Final Fantasy XIII-2 also get released right up against Tales of Xillia or whatever? Or at least close to its release date? I know that game has its own strong fanbase (and one that has probably intersected a little into the FF territory) so that couldn't of helped.
Plus, releasing later in the holiday season means less interest in buying the game off the bat I'd think. People have already spent cash on plenty of things, so a release so close means less overall interest to buy it I would assume.

It sucks a little to me, I'll say that much. I played Final Fantasy XIII, I enjoyed the game to be sure, but I'm not ignorant of its issues. It did feel rather constraining and linear for far too long before it opens up to some real side missions. I loved the combat in the game, but the way the roles were set up it practically forced you to only use certain characters if you needed say, for instance, a Saboteur or Medic, which again fits into the "linearity" issue.

But 13-2 seemed to be trying to fix things that were broken. Removing the corridor effect, turning the 3rd party slot into a whole gang of monsters that can be collected, buffed and customized to an extent while filling any roles you might need with just a switch of your paradigm. I've also never understood why people hated the combat in the first game. Its not like other games HAVEN'T done the same thing, and people even bitch when ally AI is stupid as sin, yet people also hate having their companions controlled by competent AI as well it seems.

Andy of Comix Inc:
For some reason, I read this headline, smiled, and sighed with relief.

I think I'm a bad person. All I could think was YEAH FUCK YOU FINAL FANTASY XIII. God I hated FFXIII. I'm so happy to see it failing. I have never been this vindictive with any game series, ever. Even if Call of Duty - a series I despise - announced it sold badly, I'd feel slightly let down, and sorry for the devs.

This news? This news cheered me up...

I feel the same way. : )

Long-time fan of the series. HATED FFXIII. Smile when I see that FFXIII-2 didn't sell well (by Final Fantasy standards).

Maybe this will actually take Squeenix down a peg and make them get a reality check on what they've done with the franchise in the past ten years, rather than insisting that we are the ones who "don't understand."

"After release, director Motomu Toriyama felt that the lower-than-expected review scores for a main Final Fantasy series game came from reviewers who approached the game from a Western point of view." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_fantasy_xiii)

No Toriyama, when I wrote my review I only compared the game to previous entries in the series and other games in the niche JRPG genre. That isn't even a truly fair way to review a game but that's what I went with because that's how I and most fans are going to approach it. Even without a "western point of view" (whatever that is), I still thought it sucked. Maybe you should be open to the possibility that you dropped the freakin' ball!

Hell hath no fury like a Final Fantasy fan scorned, eh?

CM156:

Andy of Comix Inc:
For some reason, I read this headline, smiled, and sighed with relief.

I think I'm a bad person. All I could think was YEAH FUCK YOU FINAL FANTASY XIII. God I hated FFXIII. I'm so happy to see it failing. I have never been this vindictive with any game series, ever. Even if Call of Duty - a series I despise - announced it sold badly, I'd feel slightly let down, and sorry for the devs.

This news? This news cheered me up...

You aren't the only one, my friend. I was burned so badly by FFXIII. Only by getting it out of my house could I let the healing begin. Without hyperbole, it was a game that felt painful to play. And it's one of a few games I haven't finished, and likely never will.

OT: Not shocked by this news, mind you.

We should make a recovery/support group.

Not a shred of sympathy or defense for Squeenix on this thread so far.

There's got to be a hint of a message in that.

I'm not surprised. FFXIII sold on the basis of it being a Final Fantasy game. The cast of characters was annoyingly mediocre and uninteresting. The battle system, while better than a tradition JRPG, involved very little player interaction. And the days where you look forward to a "cool" cutscene are behind us. I know I won't be playing this one. I'm not surprised considering this is the same people who made FFX and FFX-2, both mediocre at best games. I have defended them in the past, but not on the basis of this game.

A shame. I was a fan of XIII and plan on picking this up.

Andy of Comix Inc:
For some reason, I read this headline, smiled, and sighed with relief.

I think I'm a bad person. All I could think was YEAH FUCK YOU FINAL FANTASY XIII. God I hated FFXIII. I'm so happy to see it failing. I have never been this vindictive with any game series, ever. Even if Call of Duty - a series I despise - announced it sold badly, I'd feel slightly let down, and sorry for the devs.

This news? This news cheered me up...

Wait. You despise COD yet would be sad if it was announced to not have sold as well? I think you need to rethink that sentence.

Anyway, I was one of the few to have liked FFXIII's story. Of course, it was the first time I played a FF. The one thing I hated was the amount of enemies you had to travel through and almost no freeroaming even in Pulse.

Guess this means it's time to start working on that FF7 remake and hopefully restore faith in your fanbase.

Hm...that's too bad. While Final Fantasy XIII wasn't nearly as good as the older games (7, 8, 9, 10), I did think it was a step back in that direction after what XII was doing. I did not like that one at all.
I'm glad they made a sequel to XIII because that ending was utterly terrible from a story stand point. Looking forward to seeing if XIII-2 will wrap things up better. Already have this game pre-ordered.
Totally agree with having a yearly release of the Final Fantasy series as a bad idea. Very, very bad idea. The only way I can see that even remotely working is if they use already established worlds and characters. So basically, making sequels to previous games.

Wait... this is out?

...

Well, anyway, the low sales are interesting.

I guess a large number of the many people who bought XIII weren't exactly impressed. Personally, I'm just going to watch the cutscenes on Youtube, just like I did with XIII once I got sick a corridor full of repetitive combat.

... Well I'll be buying it. I really enjoyed Final Fantasy XIII.

I can't say I'm surprised it hasn't sold as well as its predecessor. I didn't like FF XIII one bit, but to me it was just another bad game. Many people pointed to it as an example of the Japanese gaming industry's stagnation or refusal to adapt, some saw it as an example of the gaming industry's insistence on placing spectacle and cinematics over interactivity. Perhaps it was both of those things and more, but to me, it was always just a bad game, a poorly designed game, but nothing worth dragging through the mud the way some people have.

But what I do hate, what I really abhor, is FF XIII-2. I don't even need to play it to hate it, because of what it stands for - Square Enix's tremendous arrogance.

They decided, before FF XIII was even released, that it was going to be a franchise. Not even just that it was going to have a sequel, it was going to be a franchise. Before any fans had seen it, before they knew whether anyone liked it or not, they'd decided it was going to be a franchise. Before FF XIII was even released, they were working on its sequel and co-titles. Even after it was released, divisive even among ardent fans, maligned by others.

But no, it was still going to have a sequel, to be a franchise. Because they know what's best for us.

It's just disgusting, frankly. They threw the Final Fantasy VII franchise at us, but as widely disliked as that game is now, it was once considered one of the best. It had an enormous and devoted following, and had a huge impact on gaming. So a franchise at least made sense - they were giving a very large number of people what they wanted.

But in this case, SE were deciding what we wanted before hearing anything about it. And then when they did hear about it, they ignored their fans, and carried on anyway - only a token promise of "more freedom this time" to indicate that they listened at all.

digital warrior:

I mean I'm a huge fan of their old games, chrono trigger, ff6, ff7, ff9, even chrono cross, All great games.

I like your game selection... but I think I'd add ff5 to the list.

I'm particularly happy that 8 is not mentioned.

Shark Wrangler:
Always funny how gamers take stuff like a bad game in the series so damn personally. Like to play this game because it sounds like they fixed the problems. Big let down with Final Fantasy 13, but I don't want them to stop making it. Every company makes god awful choices and they are not immune to it. Really funny how gamers think that every game that comes out has to be tailored for them or it sucks. Thats a high horse I would gladly kick you down from if I could.

It's not a matter of taking a bad game personally. The player base was burned once, and now they are more cautious when approaching the fire again.

If they really did fix all the problems that FF13 had, then the half a million unit's sold will tell others the game doesn't suck, word of mouth will cause sales to rise again.

I say kudos to those that aren't willing to blindly purchase the game.

Edit:

I was going to merge my two posts... but I forgot I can't delete my own posts...

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Andy of Comix Inc:
For some reason, I read this headline, smiled, and sighed with relief.

I think I'm a bad person. All I could think was YEAH FUCK YOU FINAL FANTASY XIII. God I hated FFXIII. I'm so happy to see it failing. I have never been this vindictive with any game series, ever. Even if Call of Duty - a series I despise - announced it sold badly, I'd feel slightly let down, and sorry for the devs.

This news? This news cheered me up...

...Are you serious?

Because they made a mistake, they deserve to fail forever? I think you're right about yourself.

I mean, really, this is type of thing I'd expect to read on Youtube.

Hatchet90:
... Well I'll be buying it. I really enjoyed Final Fantasy XIII.

Well then enjoy it when it gets to where ever you are. Most people here don't like it, me being one of then but I only played around 30 minutes before I decided not to waste my time with a game I didn't enjoy, but if you like it then go ahead and get it. From what I've seen and heard it looks like more of the same so you should like it.

I lost all faith in the Final Fantasy franchise after the garbage that was FFXII and FFXIII. The only two Final Fantasy games I never finished.

Final Fantasy XIII-2 could be God's gift to Earth, but I'm not playing it until I manage to sit down, somehow keep down my bile, and get though the first XIII.

That's not going to happen.

Wait, Final Fantasy XIII-2 is a thing?

Please tell me I'm not just entirely oblivious, but they actually didn't advertise it much. (Which may contribute to the lack of sales, actually...)

It probably could've used more advertising, I consider myself a fan of the series and had no problem with XIII, however I didn't even know it came out. O.o

Arkley:
They decided, before FF XIII was even released, that it was going to be a franchise. Not even just that it was going to have a sequel, it was going to be a franchise. Before any fans had seen it, before they knew whether anyone liked it or not, they'd decided it was going to be a franchise. Before FF XIII was even released, they were working on its sequel and co-titles. Even after it was released, divisive even among ardent fans, maligned by others.

But no, it was still going to have a sequel, to be a franchise. Because they know what's best for us.

It's just disgusting, frankly. They threw the Final Fantasy VII franchise at us, but as widely disliked as that game is now, it was once considered one of the best. It had an enormous and devoted following, and had a huge impact on gaming. So a franchise at least made sense - they were giving a very large number of people what they wanted.

But in this case, SE were deciding what we wanted before hearing anything about it. And then when they did hear about it, they ignored their fans, and carried on anyway - only a token promise of "more freedom this time" to indicate that they listened at all.

Huh, isn't that exactly the same thing as what Mass Effect did? It was planned as a franchise before Bioware knew what was "best for us." (As if they have to answer to our every whim like a slave.) If the first Mass Effect wasn't as good or as popular as Bioware hoped and they announced they were making the next one, would people be reacting as vehemently as you? Planning to be a franchise isn't inherently a bad thing. If a studio plans to make a single game a part of a larger series, it can be much easier to create a larger overarcing narrative and expand on its source material in new and interesting ways, which is good for the fans. Just putting that out there.

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