Disabled Girl Dating Sim Katawa Shoujo Finally Available

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Weentastic:
I guess I've already accepted that there is apparently a coveted "disabled" demo that need their own dating sim, but how come the most glaring prejudice in these games is being glossed over in favor of others. All these girls are "anime" beautiful. They all have disproportionately large breasts in unreasonably small bras with token differences like "brunette" or "wears glasses". Why is there no dating sim for ugly people or people who are at least average?

While I do agree slightly on the sentiment of the characters being somewhat "beautiful" (I actually wished Hanako's burns were better - aka more horrifically drawn - so as to drive the point of the story home more effectively), the designs hardly have "disproportionately large breasts". Two of the characters, Misha and Rin, are notably quite chubby in overall appearance, where you'd expect your average anime girl to be stickly thin, and all of the girls have rather average body proportions. At least for me, the creators have succeeded in keeping the character design reminescent of Japanese anime, while at the same time skirting around the oft-ired aspects of them.

mega48man:

Vault101:

my probelm is that you can end up in one path without specifically wanting it (I played out emi's path while wanting to get with Hanako)

if you want to go with Hanako then DONT put in extra effort when you go running for the first time with emi...I think thsi will lead you to lilly...go to the libary when it becomes an option and you should be good (and be nice to lily)

i had a feeling i'd need to be in Lilly's good graces in order to be around hanako. haven't met an emi yet, but i'll keep that in mind.

this apparent common acknowledgement of the misleading effects certain choices have is either an error on fourleaf studios part or this is supposed to me the games way of saying "women are difficult", which is another error. on top of that, fuck shizune.

EDIT:nevermind! she ran into me a loooong time ago, i'm just meeting her on the track field. time to nut up, or shut up.

I guess the Idea is almost everything you do has some kind of effect..but you really have no Idea what it is or where it will take you

Im only going from the turning point where I rmember how I feel into emis plot...you may already be down another path completley

Vault101:

my probelm is that you can end up in one path without specifically wanting it (I played out emi's path while wanting to get with Hanako)

if you want to go with Hanako then DONT put in extra effort when you go running for the first time with emi...I think thsi will lead you to lilly...go to the libary when it becomes an option and you should be good (and be nice to lily)

From my experience, all the paths are actually quite logical in their outcome, but if one is playing through it the first time, then obviously we wouldn't have any knowledge of the outcome. For example, in the case of Shizune vs Lilly, of course siding with one girl will cause her to think 'less' of you, and it reflects on Hisao himself that the "personality" you choose for him is what lead him to that choice. Even your choice of Hisao's introduction to the class affects his overall disposition in a subtle way, whether he'll be somewhat confident, or reserved.

On Emi's path, it's actually quite "logical" for Hisao to take it easy considering his heart condition, and you'd only really choose the "run harder" option if you're aiming for Emi's route.

It basically works that all the choices you make in act are are shaping Hisao into the kind of person that will like a particular girl in question, which means the more interested or favorable he is to a girl or spend more time with them, then obviously that's who they'll want to stick with.

That said, yes there are choices that seem to be put there just for the hell of it, like one choice regarding Kenji in Lilly's path, where choosing either leads to the same thing and doesn't affect the story as a whole.

AC10:

mega48man:

Vault101:

my probelm is that you can end up in one path without specifically wanting it (I played out emi's path while wanting to get with Hanako)

if you want to go with Hanako then DONT put in extra effort when you go running for the first time with emi...I think thsi will lead you to lilly...go to the libary when it becomes an option and you should be good (and be nice to lily)

i had a feeling i'd need to be in Lilly's good graces in order to be around hanako. haven't met an emi yet, but i'll keep that in mind.

this apparent common acknowledgement of the misleading effects certain choices have is either an error on fourleaf studios part or this is supposed to me the games way of saying "women are difficult", which is another error. on top of that, fuck shizune.

I just want to say I'm really glad you gave it a solid chance. Even if it's not exactly what you expected, you're giving it an honest chance and that's more than a lot of people have done.

I really respect that.

let's get one thing straight....skyrim currently isn't an option given that it's 12:30, the xbox is in my brother's room, they're asleep, and i don't want to pay full price again through steam to have the convience of playing on my laptop...that and i was kind interesting in this game, didn't have much else to do anyway and this seems like a pretty nice way to pass time. i just hope this thing speeds up after act 1, i mean god dammit this character development phase is just dragging itself out and it forces itself in some parts and doesn't follow through in other, but i keep going! why!?

Osaka117:
Man I really wanna play this game, but there's something wrong with my computer and it won't let me install games or any kind of software.

This might sound incredibly silly, but are you running programs as admin? Most install files require you to do that to work.

mega48man:

let's get one thing straight....skyrim currently isn't an option given that it's 12:30, the xbox is in my brother's room, they're asleep, and i don't want to pay full price again through steam to have the convience of playing on my laptop...that and i was kind interesting in this game, didn't have much else to do anyway and this seems like a pretty nice way to pass time. i just hope this thing speeds up after act 1, i mean god dammit this character development phase is just dragging itself out and it forces itself in some parts and doesn't follow through in other, but i keep going! why!?

Well, "playing" VN's is pretty much reading a book: you flip a lot of pages and read, only you click here instead of physically flip it. How fast you go through Act 1 (and all subsequent acts) depends on how fast you read. I finished my first playthrough of Act 1 in around 2 hours, while others have supposedly finished in either half the time or twice as long. Besides, the character development phase is essential to the integrity of the story as a whole.

mega48man:

Vault101:

my probelm is that you can end up in one path without specifically wanting it (I played out emi's path while wanting to get with Hanako)

if you want to go with Hanako then DONT put in extra effort when you go running for the first time with emi...I think thsi will lead you to lilly...go to the libary when it becomes an option and you should be good (and be nice to lily)

i had a feeling i'd need to be in Lilly's good graces in order to be around hanako. haven't met an emi yet, but i'll keep that in mind.

this apparent common acknowledgement of the misleading effects certain choices have is either an error on fourleaf studios part or this is supposed to me the games way of saying "women are difficult", which is another error. on top of that, fuck shizune.

EDIT:nevermind! she ran into me a loooong time ago, i'm just meeting her on the track field. time to nut up, or shut up.

I'm glad to see that if anything, this game has convinced a few people to try something they otherwise never would have. Do tell us what you think when you've finished. I'm also glad to see all the love for Hanako as she's my favorite girl in the game.

mega48man:

AC10:

mega48man:

i had a feeling i'd need to be in Lilly's good graces in order to be around hanako. haven't met an emi yet, but i'll keep that in mind.

this apparent common acknowledgement of the misleading effects certain choices have is either an error on fourleaf studios part or this is supposed to me the games way of saying "women are difficult", which is another error. on top of that, fuck shizune.

I just want to say I'm really glad you gave it a solid chance. Even if it's not exactly what you expected, you're giving it an honest chance and that's more than a lot of people have done.

I really respect that.

let's get one thing straight....skyrim currently isn't an option given that it's 12:30, the xbox is in my brother's room, they're asleep, and i don't want to pay full price again through steam to have the convience of playing on my laptop...that and i was kind interesting in this game, didn't have much else to do anyway and this seems like a pretty nice way to pass time. i just hope this thing speeds up after act 1, i mean god dammit this character development phase is just dragging itself out and it forces itself in some parts and doesn't follow through in other, but i keep going! why!?

If I'd hazard a guess, it's for the same reasons I stay up until dawn reading a good book (which I only do on the weekends now!).

You want to find out what happens next.

OH GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

i'm 3 and a half hours in and i'm at the stupid shower room scene with kenji where he asks for money. this would been a PERFECT time to prompt a desicion; give kenji money or don't. kenji is a completely pointless character, fails at being comedic relief assuming that's his purpose being in this game, he brings nothing to the plot, is uninteresting if not ANNOYING, and worst of all, I don't have the option to beat him to death. it's the jar jar binks effect: there's an annoying character that the director thought would be a nice idea, but the director has also fucked up on several other occasion and this being his biggest.

i can only tell myself 'patience'

I'm actually of the opinion that Kenji is there only to provide you with the Act 1 Bad Ending if you fail to "open" a path for the other girls

That said, past Act 2 for any route Kenji becomes less prevalent and at rare times even considerate.

mega48man:
OH GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

i'm 3 and a half hours in and i'm at the stupid shower room scene with kenji where he asks for money. this would been a PERFECT time to prompt a desicion; give kenji money or don't. kenji is a completely pointless character, fails at being comedic relief assuming that's his purpose being in this game, he brings nothing to the plot, is uninteresting if not ANNOYING, and worst of all, I don't have the option to beat him to death. it's the jar jar binks effect: there's an annoying character that the director thought would be a nice idea, but the director has also fucked up on several other occasion and this being his biggest.

i can only tell myself 'patience'

Kenji is comic relief in an otherwise serious story, dude. He's one of the more endearing characters in the game. But really, like I said earlier to someone else:

VanQQisH:

Boman:
Snip.

This isn't a video game and shouldn't be thought of nor judged like one. It is a Visual Novel. A different genre entirely and one that is severely under-appreciated due to it's more 'adult' audience.

Did I just quote myself? Kinda weird, this hasn't happened before.

That aside, having too many choices in the game could have ended up in a major clusterf-ck and would have significantly drawn out the development time. Considering it was developed by a group of amateurs for almost moot and presented to the public for free, it has more than enough choice.

AC10:

mega48man:

Vault101:

my probelm is that you can end up in one path without specifically wanting it (I played out emi's path while wanting to get with Hanako)

if you want to go with Hanako then DONT put in extra effort when you go running for the first time with emi...I think thsi will lead you to lilly...go to the libary when it becomes an option and you should be good (and be nice to lily)

i had a feeling i'd need to be in Lilly's good graces in order to be around hanako. haven't met an emi yet, but i'll keep that in mind.

this apparent common acknowledgement of the misleading effects certain choices have is either an error on fourleaf studios part or this is supposed to me the games way of saying "women are difficult", which is another error. on top of that, fuck shizune.

I just want to say I'm really glad you gave it a solid chance. Even if it's not exactly what you expected, you're giving it an honest chance and that's more than a lot of people have done.

I really respect that.

To avoid getting Emi, say maybe when you're told to exercise. Because far as I can tell you get insta-locked into her no matter what if you dont

mega48man:
OH GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

i'm 3 and a half hours in and i'm at the stupid shower room scene with kenji where he asks for money. this would been a PERFECT time to prompt a desicion; give kenji money or don't. kenji is a completely pointless character, fails at being comedic relief assuming that's his purpose being in this game, he brings nothing to the plot, is uninteresting if not ANNOYING, and worst of all, I don't have the option to beat him to death. it's the jar jar binks effect: there's an annoying character that the director thought would be a nice idea, but the director has also fucked up on several other occasion and this being his biggest.

i can only tell myself 'patience'

How can you not like Kenji?


Or are you one of those mind reading feminist spies?

Burnseasons:

To avoid getting Emi, say maybe when you're told to exercise. Because far as I can tell you get insta-locked into her no matter what if you dont

Actually no, if you made the right decisions beforehand and take it easy on the track you can open Rin's path. Maybe it's even required.

Weirdly enough, I really wanna play this one just to see what it's like. Hope they can put out the server fires soon...

Baron von Blitztank:
Weirdly enough, I really wanna play this one just to see what it's like. Hope they can put out the server fires soon...

They have torrent links on their blog.

http://katawashoujo.blogspot.com/2012/01/katawa-shoujo-released.html

Not adding much to the convo here, but the game is great. I think it added experiences to my life and im happy i got to play it. Some of the stories were so heart touching i cried irl. No joking around or trolling i was that touched. Any game that can make me do that.. is an A++ in my book.

IMO play though it once and see who you get, stick with it, dont spam save files just sit back and injoy the game. I got Lily on my first time though and i think i like her the most. ANYWAYS once your done with that heres a cheat sheet to get into the other girls / boy story. Injoy.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9426/48314606.png

Baron von Blitztank:
Weirdly enough, I really wanna play this one just to see what it's like. Hope they can put out the server fires soon...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=lujaf6ht

Edit:

Pickapok:

They have torrent links on their blog.

http://katawashoujo.blogspot.com/2012/01/katawa-shoujo-released.html

It feels so good to spread around these kind of links on The Escapist, for once.

Interesting idea. Whether or not its seen as crass or legitimate will no doubt be determined by the degree of sensitivity with which the developers handle the issue of disability.

ive never played a sim any deeper than harvest moon/rune factory, so at free.99 this game sounds very compelling to try out.

excessum ado:
Interesting idea. Whether or not its seen as crass or legitimate will no doubt be determined by the degree of sensitivity with which the developers handle the issue of disability.

It's as tasteful as it could possibly get.
Which is even more amazing considering it's developed by people from 4chan.

Alterego-X:

And really, the way the story came to be, only supports this. It was started out pretty much as: "LOL, this would really make an unique VN setting. So, how do we start making it?" - And nothing more. Just as it wasn't a bunch of fetishists deciding to write a porn, it was neither condescending ableist activists deciding to send a message, just some guys wanting to tell a non-cliche romance story.

And it has a really story sure sure.. it is that type of game.. But these girls at least have back story that makes you think like "Mmm okay I can play another hour to see what she is hiding"

I am a sucker for a good story and these girls have a good backstory. I did end up running out of the first playthrough. With Emi, you know running girl, she has yes an interresting backstory to say the least.

Uliana:
I'm actually of the opinion that Kenji is there only to provide you with the Act 1 Bad Ending if you fail to "open" a path for the other girls

That said, past Act 2 for any route Kenji becomes less prevalent and at rare times even considerate.

Yeah, that was a downer. I was aiming for the Rin route (out of curiosity more than anything else. I'll play again later, this time aiming for Emi, who I think makes more sense for HIsao, given his character). Unfortunately, one wrong choice led me to that bad ending. I had to search online for a graph that showed me where I'd gone wrong. All I can say is the developers did good making that 'skip' option.

Duruznik:

Uliana:
I'm actually of the opinion that Kenji is there only to provide you with the Act 1 Bad Ending if you fail to "open" a path for the other girls

That said, past Act 2 for any route Kenji becomes less prevalent and at rare times even considerate.

Yeah, that was a downer. I was aiming for the Rin route (out of curiosity more than anything else. I'll play again later, this time aiming for Emi, who I think makes more sense for HIsao, given his character). Unfortunately, one wrong choice led me to that bad ending. I had to search online for a graph that showed me where I'd gone wrong. All I can say is the developers did good making that 'skip' option.

The skip read text option is pretty much standard fare among Visual Novels. When you have multiple routes to each that are as long as a single, typical western game, it's kind of necessary.
You have no idea how difficult it is to get the true ending in Steins;Gate, which basically requires you to not use the skip button. And a lot of other annoying shit. Totally worth it though.

I kind of want to play this, but after I couldn't help but laugh at some of the terrible jokes someone I knew made about it, I'm not sure I would be able to do it justice.

Just finished going trough Rin's route - now that's some story, I'm at a loss for words at how astonishingly well this was written.

EDIT:

I wonder though.. Does this kind of novel appeal to women as well? I'm thinking about forwarding it to a friend of mine but I'm not quite sure she could be engaged by it as much as I was. That damn thing too nearly 6 hours to read!

Colinmac93:
People were actually waiting for something like this? Dating sims always came across as creepy and stupid to me, but this one is just taking the piss.

Edit: Actually, I wanna know why all of the physically disabled people are all in the one class. I bet there's some strange reason for that in the game.

I've never really played one but this strikes me as basically a graphic novel with multiple endings. I dunno, maybe try it before just to understand what it is. I'm kinda curious, but also a little apprehensive. I know the kin of things japan is capable of...

Kevin Cleijne:
Just finished going trough Rin's route - now that's some story, I'm at a loss for words at how astonishingly well this was written.

EDIT:

I wonder though.. Does this kind of novel appeal to women as well? I'm thinking about forwarding it to a friend of mine but I'm not quite sure she could be engaged by it as much as I was. That damn thing too nearly 6 hours to read!

Considering a woman was the one that got me into it, I would think there is some appeal.

Also: I love this game. Recently completed Hanako's good ending and wanted to cry near the end it was so touching. I can't bring myself to do the bad ending because of it.

stefman:

I've never really played one but this strikes me as basically a graphic novel with multiple endings. I dunno, maybe try it before just to understand what it is. I'm kinda curious, but also a little apprehensive. I know the kin of things japan is capable of...

Considering it's not made in Japan, I don't think you have much to worry about. And yes, graphic novel with multiple endings is one of the better ways to describe it.

Lunar Shadow:

Kevin Cleijne:
Just finished going trough Rin's route - now that's some story, I'm at a loss for words at how astonishingly well this was written.

EDIT:

I wonder though.. Does this kind of novel appeal to women as well? I'm thinking about forwarding it to a friend of mine but I'm not quite sure she could be engaged by it as much as I was. That damn thing too nearly 6 hours to read!

Considering a woman was the one that got me into it, I would think there is some appeal.

Also: I love this game. Recently completed Hanako's good ending and wanted to cry near the end it was so touching. I can't bring myself to do the bad ending because of it.

Alright I'll see if I can warm her up for it ^^

I can really recommend Rin's storyline - Its immensely deep, even managed to lay awake at night thinking it over, good 4 hour steady read before hesitatingly went off to bed

Kevin Cleijne:

I can really recommend Rin's storyline - Its immensely deep, even managed to lay awake at night thinking it over, good 4 hour steady read before hesitatingly went off to bed

Seconded. I finished it moments ago.

I originally went into Rin's storyline out of curiosity, and was actually planning to skim through it and then move on to one of the others that I felt were more in-character for the main hero. Man, was I in for a suprise. Holy. Hell. I mean, wow. Talk about a mind screw. Brilliantly done, beautifully written, and perfectly put-together.

oy vey.

now, THIS is a tough one. first i thought "wtf?!".
then i thought "hell, why not, if i can let sims burn in their kitchen or trap them in their swimming pool, this surely ain't wrong either"
then i thought "ooh, now that's a good idea for a game - if it's ok to romance blue aliens or Miss Spandex slash Leather-and-Lace-after-personal-quest 2010 in a scifi setting, then this must be most right. why exclude characters who had some pretty tough luck (besides their parents being killed by orks or having to save the world from a hugely gigantic enormous seemingly unstoppable but no our hero will do it exclamation mark threat), so they were born or got handicapped somehow, from games?"
by not shunning yet another part of any big-ish society/large number of people (besides including women who do not have EE-cups. sometimes. if you have a really open minded developer. no, none comes to mind. EDIT: what about Bastila, KoTOR I? if memory serves she looked pretty normal, frame/figure wise, rite? pretty face, of course, but no unhealthy large udders on their chest) and focusing on 100%, grade A, money back guaranteed, absolutely totally and completely normal teenage interaction (haven't played it, but that's what i hope. something like: your average boy-meets-girl, boy-likes-girl, boy-changes-the-underlying-social-order story. cookie for reference.) instead of listening to very funny jokes like "*women being raped by alien*: you're fucked."
it can only broaden the horizon of people, right?
i mean, at worst the game is uninteresting for you because normal interaction with (physically) handicapped people is, well, normal to you.
but at best it could show someone "oh right, THEY! are normal people with normal human interaction, surprisingly including liking the other gender (no space zombie demons with tentacles which the protagobitch enjoys (if she's lucky and the "artist" does not get wet dreams of tentacle-rape-hentai) having wrapped all around her), too" - yes, sometimes i am both naive and hopelessly romantic-optimistic, sue me; then again... someone had the idea for such a game, just because it would be a nice change of stance there (or so i hope. if the main idea behind this was some fetish... well, uh... the end justifies the means? something like that?). and some twentyone people from around the world realised it.

positive discrimination? maybe. for a cynical bastard (which i am when i am nit the naive-optimistic type. yes i've seen a shrink. nope, it didn't work. but hell.) this cetainly is the case. but friendship is magic, even among people who play videogames, and even among fictional characters. if they're not busy shooting mobster #3741 in this level, that is.

EDIT 2: "The full version of Katawa Shoujo contains adult material.
Please confirm that you are over 18 years old and that you will not make the material downloaded available to persons below that age." i clicked the link in the OP out of curiosity. adult content is beyond romancing, right? so, someone played this? is this just a fetish hentai-game?? oh wait, wasn't there something about 4chan? nevermind then :p
...
......
*knock knock* who's there? - the cynical bastard, you had your fifteen minutes, SHOO!
;)

TL;DR: ok, then don't, i am happy with writing this stuff down to see what i actually think about it :)

stefman:

Colinmac93:
People were actually waiting for something like this? Dating sims always came across as creepy and stupid to me, but this one is just taking the piss.

Edit: Actually, I wanna know why all of the physically disabled people are all in the one class. I bet there's some strange reason for that in the game.

I've never really played one but this strikes me as basically a graphic novel with multiple endings. I dunno, maybe try it before just to understand what it is. I'm kinda curious, but also a little apprehensive. I know the kin of things japan is capable of...

Well, I for one, urge you to 'play' it. It's not Japanese in origin, the developers being brought together by 4chan (an English language imageboard). It is basically 5 stories (one corresponding to each girl) each with multiple endings depending on how you approach certain key situations.

Doesn't sound that amazing, I'll agree, but It has some of the best writing I've seen in quite a while, when I finished it I found myself subconsciously grinning because I was happy for the characters. It is the first story I've read in a long time to develop personalities so excellently

Rocklobster99:

I am disappointed in a good portion of you. If the article had been about a media watchdog organisation jumping on the latest GTA, you all would be condemning them for forming opinions based on hearsay and promotional images, yet here all I see is a clear divide between the people who have played KS, and have nothing but praise for it, and people who clearly have never heard of the game until now and are writing it off as just another sick fetish game from those "filthy japs".

Most of you would be better served researching something before getting on your moral high horse about it.

Thank you. Thank you so much for putting into words (+picture) what I could not.

Double standards just annoy me.

hmm i dont think the point is weather the disabled ppl can love or not. We all know they are ppl like us.
The problem is, games are a fantasy and made to live the fantasy. I myself dont have the fantasy of having a relationship with someone in those circumstances and it doesnt mean i dont respect them.

Its a new idea but, my curiosity doesnt go as far as trying it out regardless of how tasteful it is i think my fantasies belong somewhere else like in Tamriel or in ME space.

-Cut, edited above post-

In any path to progress, there will be some funky bumps along the way. Many of these bumps will be positive, if a little weird and unorthodox and maybe not done as well/fairly/non-discriminatorily/whatever as people want. Whatever this game is, I'm guessing it is actually a good advance, even if it misses the mark. I don't know; I haven't played it; this is my theory from this thread and the article.

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