Disabled Girl Dating Sim Katawa Shoujo Finally Available

 Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 . . . 17 NEXT
 

Fawxy:

One Hit Noob:

He is only able to date handicapped girls because he is in handicapped school. Filled with handicaps. I'm pointing out the obvious because you seem to not understand the obvious -.-

You having fun ignoring all the points I'm bringing up? Come on, I put like 2 minutes of work into them. The least you could do is READ them.

Yes, THIS SPECIFIC GAME exclusively features disabled individuals. I GET THAT.

The point I'm making is WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. I'll quote myself again, just to try and make it more apparent: "Yes, the player is at a handicapped school. Still doesn't explain why romancing disabled individuals is such a big deal, or why disabled people haven't been romanceable in prior "dating sims"."

You see the bolded parts? SEE THEM? Those are the points I'm making.

Also, this is a visual novel. Not a dating sim.

Look, if you have a problem with the way your disabled-Hentai is being classified, take issue with the OP. They labeled it as a dating sim first, I followed suit.

I read your posts. You don't have to cry. Second, take a chill pill. Third, "Why does it have to be that way?". Because the writers made it that way. Therefore, it exists. To have a "Visual Novel", not a dating sim/hentai, dealing with dating handicapped people can bring a lot more broad plot ideas instead of the average "Whoops! I tripped on your tits! Let's fuck!" cliché that's been going on for years.

LobsterFeng:

NeutralDrow:

LobsterFeng:

Thanks for the heads up, I was about to try it out of curiosity.

Just to confirm, you are being sarcastic, right?

I'm not actually. I'm not into porn of any kind.

There's a "Disable Adult Content" option. I asked if you were sarcastic because I wasn't sure if you'd seen where other people in the thread pointed it out.

Besides, it sounds like it has the usual porn-to-plot ratio you find in higher-quality, more reputable eroge (i.e. extremely little), so the option doesn't make one miss anything important.

I'm really enjoying the responses in this thread. Demonstrates the maturity of much of the community; glad I was wrong when I was expecting somewhat of a moral-high-horse opportunity (omg! The audacity of it all (even though I don't understand the game!).

Thank you for posting this. I'm going to try it. I usually stick to Otome games but this looks interesting.

I just finished playing this game out of curiosity and I have to say that the developers have told a great story with this game. The characters all are fully fleshed out way beyond the whole disability thing. I ended up with the runner girl during my first play through. At first I was thinking "Oh she runs because she lost her legs and wants to show the world that she can be like everyone else." you know the same story we see in movies all the time. As I got deeper into her story line it became more apparent that her reason goes much deeper. I won't even use a spoiler tag to say what happens because I strongly feel that people should at least give this game or visual novel (whatever you want to call it) a try. If the story does draw you in like a good book then the characters surely will.

If you date the disabled girls you are playing this game wrong anyways:

*some* responses to this thread make me sad.

I have Cerebral Palsy and this game looks fine to me. Fuck off/move on.

/thread

This is fun. I haven't had the chance to have such a stagnant conversation since I dated that girl who hated me in middle school.

One Hit Noob:
I read your posts. You don't have to cry.

Aw shucks, that takes a lot off my chest. Really, really good to know. Leaves me confused though, since you still ignored their contents.

Second, take a chill pill.

image

Third, "Why does it have to be that way?". Because the writers made it that way. Therefore, it exists.

....Nope, not giving up on you just yet. I'll keep trying, something tells me it's worth it. Okay, the writers made it that way. WHY did the writers make it that way. More specifically, why DIDN'T they make a story where the protagonist (disabled or not) has the chance to romance either normal or disabled individuals instead of just ONE group? Because:

To have a "Visual Novel", not a dating sim/hentai, dealing with dating handicapped people can bring a lot more broad plot ideas instead of the average "Whoops! I tripped on your tits!" cliché that's been going on for years.

Look! You answered it, even though you didn't mean to! Yes! Okay, it tells a good story. You know what would tell an even better story? A guy shunning the hot but manipulative/abusive girl in favor of the nice quiet girl in a wheelchair. BOOM.

Yes, as you said, "dealing with dating handicapped people can bring a lot more broad plot ideas". But, the writers written a hole into their story. The protagonist is disabled, and only has the option of dating disabled individuals. Does this not seem to you like it's facilitating the idea that only a disabled person can love another disabled person? Why not set it in a normal school that also has a branch that teaches the handicapped? That way, it could explore the interaction between disabled and non-disabled individuals thus producing more juicy "broad plot ideas". Hell, you can even throw in a cool moral story involving the whole "it's what's on the inside that counts" dynamic. SHAZAM! THAT's what I'm talkin' about. We did it after all.

dyre:
lolwut? A school for disabled people? Sounds like someone's sick fetish.

While I'm almost a tiny bit interested in what an anime-style game's take on disability is (probably something "kawaii"), I'm not interested in playing a dating sim, or dating visual novel, or whatever. If there were a game in which a disabled main character had to play the role of a typical world-saving hero while being hampered by some significant physical disability though, that might be cool...

It's actually really tastefully done, the adult scenes can be turned completely off, and the developers had Doctors, nurses, and counselors help provide information on the forums. The disabilities are exactly what they are, and they don't define the characters or their personalities based on their disabilities. It's less of a sick fetish game(But really, what defines that sort of thing?) and more of a well thought out, and charming story. Not to be offensive to anyone or anything, but it's kind of hard to have an actual physical disability like blindness, missing limbs, or deafness and see that character realistically save the world from Russians, or aliens, or demons, but having a puzzle game, RPG or an adventure game of a similar concept would be something I'd be all for. Oh, and not everything anime-styled is "MOE MOE ★ KYUN~"

Ariyura:
Thank you for posting this. I'm going to try it. I usually stick to Otome games but this looks interesting.

Oh hey, off-topic, but would you have any recommendations on that front? I haven't had much exposure to otome genre, and to be honest, the only game I can name off the top of my head is Yo-Jin-Bo...

piscian:
The responses to this thread make me sad.

To be honest, I was expecting much worse. I certainly wasn't expecting such a flatly obvious delineation of opinions...let alone everyone who actually played it having such overwhelmingly positive things to say about it, and at least a small portion of people intrigued enough to be neutral.

Probably already said:

So how is this any different than any other dating sim game? The girls in those games are already mentally disabled.

*rimshot*

Fawxy:
Look! You answered it, even though you didn't mean to! Yes! Okay, it tells a good story. You know what would tell an even better story? A guy shunning the hot but manipulative/abusive girl in favor of the nice quiet girl in a wheelchair. BOOM.

A combination of actually playing this game, plus remembering years of after-school specials with similar plots to your suggestion that came off as utterly contrived, leads me to disagree vehemently.

Of course, the headline and the article make the whole project sound exploitative and crass, yet I will always remember Rolf de Heer's bravery in depicting romance involving actors playing and truly afflicted with, cerebral palsy. That film was 'Bad Boy Bubby', an Aussie cult favourite. This game appears to be a lot lighter and not dark at all, yet, as much the scenes in BBB honestly made be uncomfortable at the time, it really threw me a perspective I'd never contemplated, and I'm glad it did. That film isn't for everybody, due to other aspects than what I'm talking about, but this game, or 'visual novel', which is a huge industry in Japan (though the game was made by a muticultural development team scattered all over the world), could have the same mind widening effect.

I've been waiting for KS for years. Waited until the midnight release, been reading it since. Brilliant Visual Novel, and this is coming from someone who has read a fair share of Visual Novels in the past.
Rin > Hanako > Lily > Emi > Misha > Shizune

Fawxy:
You know what would tell an even better story? A guy shunning the hot but manipulative/abusive girl in favor of the nice quiet girl in a wheelchair. BOOM. Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Those are the writers' ideas. So they get to craft the story into whatever they want. Make one yourself if you think your idea is "GENIOUS!!!"

Korten12:
Anyone notice Lelouch from Code Geass in the middle of the screenshot..?

haha! I didn't notice that at first. (though mostly cause the picture is so tiny)
The gender bent haruhi definitely jumped out at me pretty quickly though (even if at first i didn't know why).

My friend also said the girl at the back with black hair was from something too.

Is it being done on 'purpose' in good humour, or are they shamelessly ripping off characters from different anime's to fill out their game or something? (and isn't it illegal regardless?)

Some_weirdGuy:

Korten12:
Anyone notice Lelouch from Code Geass in the middle of the screenshot..?

Is it being done on 'purpose' in good humour, or are they shamelessly ripping off characters from different anime's to fill out their game or something? (and isn't it illegal regardless?)

It's done on purpose in good humour. Lelouch is actually removed from the full version of the game, but other characters are present. She isn't visible in that image, but Ritsu from K-On is also in the class.

Here's the full image
image

EDIT: Furthermore, here's an additional image for those who believe the VN is an immature way to fetishise cripples

image

One Hit Noob:

Fawxy:
You know what would tell an even better story? A guy shunning the hot but manipulative/abusive girl in favor of the nice quiet girl in a wheelchair. BOOM. Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Those are the writers' ideas. So they get to craft the story into whatever they want. Make one yourself if you think your idea is "GENIOUS!!!"

Oh, oh my. Didn't think it would go there.

The age-old "if you don't like it why don't you make something better" defense.

Nevermind hundreds of years of literary criticism and the positive impact it has had, we should all just let authors and artists alike spoon-feed us their works without a second thought as to what's going on. Mhmm. Well, it's been fun.

Fawxy:

One Hit Noob:

Fawxy:
You know what would tell an even better story? A guy shunning the hot but manipulative/abusive girl in favor of the nice quiet girl in a wheelchair. BOOM. Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Those are the writers' ideas. So they get to craft the story into whatever they want. Make one yourself if you think your idea is "GENIOUS!!!"

Oh, oh my. Didn't think it would go there.

The age-old "if you don't like it why don't you make something better" defense.

Nevermind hundreds of years of literary criticism and the positive impact it has had, we should all just let authors and artists alike spoon-feed us their works without a second thought as to what's going on. Mhmm. Well, it's been fun.

I'd recommend playing the damn thing before generating any kind of opinion or "criticism".

ZiggyE:

Some_weirdGuy:

Korten12:
Anyone notice Lelouch from Code Geass in the middle of the screenshot..?

Is it being done on 'purpose' in good humour, or are they shamelessly ripping off characters from different anime's to fill out their game or something? (and isn't it illegal regardless?)

It's done on purpose in good humour. Lelouch is actually removed from the full version of the game, but other characters are present. She isn't visible in that image, but Ritsu from K-On is also in the class.

Here's the full image
image

thanks from the image. Isn't that pink haired girl from something too?

((i know, i'll search it up!))

*the fruits of my search* (thanks to tv tropes):
((you're probably better to look at it on their site:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo?from=Main.KatawaShoujo
but anyway: ))

# Shout Out:

* The class overview CG is a good start. Contains at least Lelouch, Lezard, Ikuno, and gender-bent Haruhi. The official blog has confirmed another: Ritsu. She was intended to be an original character, but by sheer coincidence resembled Ritsu when K-ON finally aired. Rather than change the design, the developers performed a "retcameo".
* Tea house Shanghai was originally supposed to be a Higurashi reference, but the devs quickly backtracked and made it a Touhou one instead.
* After a conversation with Kenji, Hisao mentions a book he's reading a book about "an underground postal system that may or may not exist", a reference to The Crying Of Lot 49.
* Hanako is reading a book about "a boy and a tiger on a boat". This is Life of Pi. If you don't scare Hanako away in the library, she'll even namedrop it.
* If you join the student council, Misha will clap and repeat the world "Congratulations!".
* At least in the Japanese translation, a 'Light Music Club' is mentioned among the various clubs that Lily lists.
* If you help Lily's class with painting, in the background you can see part of the world map from the latter part of Code Geass R2
* This might be stretching it, but Rin does mention using golden butterflies to spy on people. Thank god there aren't any "ahaha.wav" soundclips in Katawa Shoujo.
* Even Hisao believes that Poor Predictable Rock is unbeatable.

Fawxy:
Are people under the impression that handicapped people are a different species than those who aren't?

While nobody would suggest that disabled people are a different species, to even begin to compare the difficulties faced by disabled people, both physically and socially, to an otherwise non-disabled person, is a huge mistake.
It's akin to pretending that men and women are the same.

That aside, the idea that people have to be in similar situations or share similar interests in order for a relationship to work, is a very western one. So in a rather ironic twist, it's possible that the only reason why dating disabled people isn't a choice, is that this Japanese styled game was created by non-Japanese people.

A more likely possibility is that the authors expected people to sympathize with a protagonist that has become an outcast, but gets over it by befriending other outcasts, but what would I know.

would it be wrong of me to sugest that there should be a one of mentaly disabled girls? no? just me?

I'm downloading this now to give it a try. I'm not a huge visual novel player, but they can be fun and well done. From everything I've heard about this, it's done in a very tasteful way, so I'll give it a shot.

I played the demo a few months back, and I was stunned when I realized how much effort must have gone into this game. The writing isn't just good, it's actually great. There's one moment in it where the protagonist feels his heart hurting and a terrible thought hits him: "Was I sent here to get better, or was I sent here to die?"

I'll have to download it soon. I'm curious to find out more about the characters.

downloading now to give it a shot. I was always very skeptical of visual novels, but eventually read something talking about the story focus in them. Been very impressed with a couple of them, and even the less serious ones can be interesting.

But, they are still generally from japan, so many wtf was that moments have been had :)

BishopofAges:

Fronzel:

No, that's the comic re-interpretation of the heart condition, used for humorous purposes. In the game itself, it's taken dead serious. He has a kind of arrhythmia which could kill him if his heart is put under too much strain from physical exception, a blow to the chest, or even emotional stress, although barring that, he is likely to live a long life. The main character facing his mortality is a big part of the game.

Bah! You caught me, my research period of the game only lasted about 20 minutes, still I realize the severity of heart problems, and that is why I am kind of worried that people who go for the 'super-athletic girl' will find themselves in a 'bad end.'

It actually, as far as my own playthrough of the demo went... ends up with you in the nerses office, but it leads to bonding between you and Emi, not just 'you died lawl'.

I'm not one for dating sims but if this game isn't exploiting the disabled (and I just made myself feel awful by imagining a dating game where you could take advantage of the mentally handicaped, which probably and if it does, regretfully, exists), then I have no problem with it.

Not that my opinion on what the company does with its propeties matters to them in the slightest!

I remember downloading a demo of this, when it started floating around. All I remember was that it was really well written- unless it somehow took a quality dive, I heartily recommend trying it out.

I never once felt it was making light of any of the physical conditions- everything just seemed, I dunno. Genuine.

It should be pointed out, 'Dating sim' is a highly inaccurate description of Katawa Shoujo, or indeed, many Visual Novels, and in general is a bit of a poor choice of words here, since it has a negative connotation to it.

In a dating sim, the main focus for the player is on wooing some fictional girl. In many visual novels, include this one, the main focus for the player is reading a story and making choices that affect the character development.

Katawa Shoujo is essentially a romance novel in which the reader makes some minor choices, which effect how the relationship develops. And simply put, I think anyone who has read it would agree 'Romance novel' is a far more accurate description than 'dating sim'.

I've downloaded it out of curiosity and it's not what I was expecting at all. All the characters are well described and its more about the protagonist coming to terms with his condition rather than trying to get his leg over.

Moral of the story: Try something out before judging it. Also, the headline on this story makes it seems really crass and stupid.

damn. it sounds like a decent game, but the website's still down. so I'll comment in the hopes that I won't lose the page and can find it later when its up again.

It's not bad, in fact aside from being a little verbose at times it seems very good..

Odd, I expected something poorly done, but it's not only well made but seems well intentioned.

EDIT: Anybody attacking this without playing it is really just making themselves look stupid, if you don't have the time, fine. But don't act as if you understand and have a basis to attack it if you know nothing by your own will.

Seldom i have as drastically mixed feelings as i have about this one.
I have a friend who is disabled by having mobility impairment and bodily disproportion by birth and as weird as it may sound to some people, it's really fun to talk with him about love and sex and why shouldn't it be, he's just as human as i am. Looking from another perspective this should be the premier thing to be mentioned, that we're both individual substitutes of humanity, instead of pointing out his disability.

And that's kind of the point i have mixed feelings about. I think it's positive to portrait disabled just as capable of romance as everyone else, as it should count for pretty much everyone and in some way it's even more realistic than the "large-breasted, blonde cliches". But on the other hand, why they appear to be strictly separated from the "non-disabled", putting them in a "special school", rather than giving them the choice if they want "special treatment" or "to be integrated" To turn it around, why can't the burn victim, or the "thalidomide girl" go for any subject outside their school?

Cliche:

Fawxy:
Are people under the impression that handicapped people are a different species than those who aren't?

While nobody would suggest that disabled people are a different species, to even begin to compare the difficulties faced by disabled people, both physically and socially, to an otherwise non-disabled person, is a huge mistake.
It's akin to pretending that men and women are the same.

That aside, the idea that people have to be in similar situations or share similar interests in order for a relationship to work, is a very western one. So in a rather ironic twist, it's possible that the only reason why dating disabled people isn't a choice, is that this Japanese styled game was created by non-Japanese people.

A more likely possibility is that the authors expected people to sympathize with a protagonist that has become an outcast, but gets over it by befriending other outcasts, but what would I know.

I just want to respond to that, exspecialy the sentence "It's akin to pretending that men and women are the same.", which i surely can not negate, why should i, but to turn it around, it is just as pretentious to say "we're men_women, we're more equal than the other sexes" and that pretty much counts for everything. All humans are somewhat different, by nature, by culture, by perspective and so on, the one thing we have in common is that we're living, human beings. My question behind this is, why always point out the "little differences" and not look at the "big resemblance", why is there something like "outcasting" after all? I don't even want to fight over individialism and collectivism or call it however you want to, i don't see the reason why we shouldn't have both (eat the cake and have it ;P ), define ourselfs as individuals, but also notice we're all alike at some point at the same time (but however, that's the general problem).

Well, as far as i'm concerned, it appears to be a first step towards handling the issue at all and i guess we have to start somewhere.
And this is actually my favorite sentence from the article:

Earnest Cavalli:
If nothing else, it should inspire discussion about the very real trials and tribulations the physically disabled face when it comes to romantic interaction.

I'm not into dating sim games (and cause it was pointed out, not that much into romantic novels either), but since it's free and appears to have a beautiful visual novel-style, maybe i'll give it a try.

Having downloaded and tried this after reading the article, I have to admit they did an excellent job making a very human protagonist who I've had no problems empathizing with after an hour of gameplay.

I wonder if some of the people who helped make this had disabilities? Maybe they thought it would be cool to see "someone like me" in a game genre they enjoyed playing?

Soak:
And that's kind of the point i have mixed feelings about. I think it's positive to portrait disabled just as capable of romance as everyone else, as it should count for pretty much everyone and in some way it's even more realistic than the "large-breasted, blonde cliches". But on the other hand, why they appear to be strictly separated from the "non-disabled", putting them in a "special school", rather than giving them the choice if they want "special treatment" or "to be integrated" To turn it around, why can't the burn victim, or the "thalidomide girl" go for any subject outside their school?

This is a point that's mentioned and explained quite well.

Each of them have their own reasons to go there - some out of necessity in case of emergency, such as Hisao due to his heart condition, and some out of convenience. Would you not agree that going to a school that has specific workbooks and classes catered to, for example, the blind would be a good reason for a blind person to go there? They could have just as well gone to another school, but the school in question offers services that more conveniently help them.

Hisao, the main character, actually struggles with this at the beginning, and feels he's being sent to a 'special school', but a big part of his character development early on is him realising that all the students there are just students, like any others and he shouldn't pity them, or feel like they pity him.

Drunkbot:
I wonder if some of the people who helped make this had disabilities? Maybe they thought it would be cool to see "someone like me" in a game genre they enjoyed playing?

I don't know if any of the dev team were disabled, but I do know that they did have medical consultants to ask questions to when writing.

 Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 . . . 17 NEXT

Reply to Thread

Log in or Register to Comment
Have an account? Login below:
With Facebook:Login With Facebook
or
Username:  
Password:  
  
Not registered? To sign up for an account with The Escapist:
Register With Facebook
Register With Facebook
or
Register for a free account here