Disabled Girl Dating Sim Katawa Shoujo Finally Available

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If done well, and comments from people who have played suggest it is, this game is awesome. If the writing is deep, covers real human emotion, and the dealing with difference plus the acceptance of others differences as well as your own, then we have a ground breaker here. Why is this wrong?

Think about it people. Your opinion might be that its not a great idea, and thats fine. But you know what? This is a genuinely interesting and deep character development that id personally want to read a book about. If it can be expressed through the medium of books, why not a game? I think dealing with sudden and brutal mortality while stuck in a school of people with a HOARD of personal demons (and for once a freaking good reason to have them) who are your only link to humanity and people in general, its discussing a deep and interesting point.

I think that because this is:

A real situation that could happen to someone
Thought provoking
Original
Not treated like a joke

It deserves to be displayed through any medium. Why are games excluded.

Ask yourself, if a book about this was released, a man with heart trauma moving to a school full of people with disabilities and struggling to accept, would you react the same way as you would toward this? Why not?

Like a lot of others have said already, I'd prefer it if disabled characters were presented alongside "normal" characters in typical games. Segregation isn't equality.

That said - like a lot of others have also said already, as long as this is properly done and the girls aren't defined by their disabilities, I really cannot see a problem with it. Indeed, it's great to see a step in this direction.

So I have nothing new to say, really.

Mimsofthedawg:

Robert Ewing:
Played it, loved it. Didn't expect to love it, I just thought it was going to be another desperate attempt to relieve some stigma between disabled people and non-disabled people, and to fill some sort of warped niché in the market. I haven't completed it yet, but there is an option to disable 'adult content' in the options menu... I'm braced for an incredibly awkward paraplegic sex scene. Or at least some ecchi moments.

But it is Japanese, so the story is excellent and very touching, if a little clichéd. I actually ended up literally caring for each of the girls, Hanoko to a greater extent. The game forces you to not date a girl just because that is the aim of the game, it forced me into wanting to date the girl. It was an extremely surreal experience. I haven't played many dating sims, but this one was a real thumbs up from me. I can sort of see why they are so popular in Japan, there are a lot of story elements, and a lot of emotional development. Something I don't think western audiences are keen on as a whole.

Art was superb, I have played other visual novels in the past, with varying levels of artwork, but this was a very good piece by contrast. Music is nice, if a bit basic, but why would it need to be extravagant I suppose? Not as many routes as I'd hoped there'd be, but I knew that when I saw the file size. And the story is rather un-fantastic, so players that don't really care much about the subject matter will probably find it a bit boring.

Other than that, very good Visual Novel.

So there IS adult content in the game?

Let me ask you this question: is it "tasteful" or is it just some good hentai?

Hmmm.... I see an interesting forum topic...

"Can sex in games be used for artistic expression rather than a pornographic ad technique?"

Hmmm... very interesting discussion...

Yes there is plenty of sex. None of it is really distasteful apart from one of the routes.

The rest of the sex scenes are actually very tasteful, dealt with in a very artful way. I actually found myself not wanting to have sex with any of them on a few routes. Which is odd. The sex scenes did seem somewhat out of place, but lets face it, this game was made by members of 4chan.

Naleh:
Like a lot of others have said already, I'd prefer it if disabled characters were presented alongside "normal" characters in typical games. Segregation isn't equality.

You're reading too much into it.

It's not that a group of indie developers, urged by the burning desire to make a socially relevant point about disabilites in gaming, decided to make a game about the issue, and THEN decided to make it a Visual Novel, about a disability-themed school's students. It was the other way around.

A bunch of Visual Novel fans with artistic talent saw a poster about a hypothetical disabled VN cast, and decided that yes, this would make an interesting setting for a product of their beloved genre. In the process of writing it, they also happened to present it in a tactful, respectable style.

Naleh:

The rest of the sex scenes are actually very tasteful, dealt with in a very artful way. I actually found myself not wanting to have sex with any of them on a few routes. Which is odd. The sex scenes did seem somewhat out of place, but lets face it, this game was made by members of 4chan.

The sex scenes always feel out of place in Visual Novels. This is because they are usually created with the possibility in mind to publish "clean" versions, or anime adaptations.

KS is just a bit too eager to insist on maintaining that specific tradition.

Very interesting concept. I would play it if it wasn't a hentai game. I know you can probably just not do those parts, but I still just don't want to play a game with hentai in it. But I don't discourage other people from playing it. Looks much better than those standard generic cliche commercials I see for the generic dating sim with big breasted stereo-typical personalities with no real depth. If I was into those kinds of games, I would most definitely play this.

Just when I thought I could comfortably say Japan has nothing new to give the world gaming community I must eat my words. For a couple of years now I've been criticizing Japans inability to cope with modern game design, the general lack of originality, their need to buy out Western gaming studious just to stay major players in the Western market, and their need to use plain crazy just to make a game appealing. However, a game from Japan that actually deals with difficult subject matter, like a handicapped protagonist, and handicapped love interests?

Kudos, Japan. I've got to give you a tip of the hat.

But, wait? It's porn? Well, crap... nice try, Japan.

Inkidu:
Just when I thought I could comfortably say Japan has nothing new to give the world gaming community I must eat my words. For a couple of years now I've been criticizing Japans inability to cope with modern game design, the general lack of originality, their need to buy out Western gaming studious just to stay major players in the Western market, and their need to use plain crazy just to make a game appealing. However, a game from Japan that actually deals with difficult subject matter, like a handicapped protagonist, and handicapped love interests?

Kudos, Japan. I've got to give you a tip of the hat.

But, wait? It's porn? Well, crap... nice try, Japan.

So I suppose actually reading the original article is out of the question?

The story of Katawa Shoujo is a long one, spanning over a decade. In December of the year 2000, the doujin Schuppen Harnische was released by the artist RAITA of circle Zettai Shoujo. One of the pages in the extras section of the doujin contained a sketch imagining a game about disabilities set in a Japanese high school. If not for later events, that may well have been the end of it. With the sticky in 4chan's anime board in January of 2007, though, interest was suddenly sparked in the idea within, and the idea of creating this game came about. After months of brainstorming, but little progress, a core development team by the name of Four Leaf Studios was formed in April of the same year. With this, Katawa Shoujo was set on the path to its final creation.

Four Leaf Studios is a volunteer group of twenty-one developers from around the world, having come together for the sole purpose of developing Katawa Shoujo. Hailing from many different countries, backgrounds, and professions, Four Leaf Studios became committed to working towards Katawa Shoujo as an entirely free game, with no money involved in the project.

I just finished one of the routes about 5 minutes ago, it really did take me by surprise (in a good way). This is the first dating sim/visual novel I've played so I was a bit clueless going into it but I did end up enjoying it, I ended up dating the girl with no legs below the knee. Her backstory was really well put together and made her, as a character more believable. All of the main characters are believable and are easy to empathise with, not just because of the disabilities, but because of the personalities they are given by the writers.

Well isn't this just peachy. No offense, but I cannot think of one normal person who would go out of their way to date someone who is physically disabled. A game that only offers me that choice? No thanks.

*Is not sure if they are exploiting a fetish*

If they are, that's creepy, and if they aren't, I wonder why they made the came in the first place.

One little thing I'd like to mention is that while the initial idea to make the game came from 4chan, that (and the origins of the group name) is about the only affiliation 4 Leaf Studios has with the site - from my understanding, most of the developers rarely, if ever frequent those boards.

TL;DR - 4LS =/= 4chan.

And as for people complaining about the game's mature content bringing the game down, this blog post was a response from one of the writers.
I'm pretty sure it's not going to change the minds of people already dead set on not playing, but hey, I tried. :P

One thing that does come to mind after playing this is that in terms of trying to write it off as porn/eroge, it....doesn't really work to me. Mostly because when I started it, I wasn't put in the shoes of a guy who's out to find a girlfriend or get laid. Sex hasn't even come up and I'm past Act 1. There's nothing you could really call fan-service or anything else so far from what I've seen.

If it really was all about the sex or if that was the elephant in the room or something, you'd be getting to it faster, I think. Or at least there would be breadcrumbs to tease you/urge you to keep playing. The game itself would have the feel of 'you know why you're here, so do we. Let's get down to it fast as possible!'. Or at least that's how I feel about it.

Personally, I've never felt that feeling from this game so far.

Also, I wonder of people who are biased against this game or write it off due to the presence of sex, if those are people who believe games are/can be art. If so, I would point out that art can and does explore and deal with sexuality in various ways including tasteful ones.
So if games are art, and art has the right to explore the topic of sexuality and relationships in a tasteful manner, and if this game genuinely has done those things....why is there an objection again?

Bah, lost track of what I meant to say but you get the idea.

The more I read about this game, the more I want to experience it. Might just be the hype though >_<

"At the moment it seems to have been crushed by a flood of traffic."

If you develop it they will come.

okay i just finished day 3 in the game and so far its not bad. there really isn't much in the way of choices yet. there just introducing the cast. what i'm liking so far is that the characters are actually characters. theirs a lot more to them then their specific disability. they have their own personalites and while their disabilites help them stand out as characters its not wholey who they are and i like that.

It keeps the game from feeling explotive. In fact the main character has this who hang up about not wanting to linger on a students disability for fear of being rude but at the same time pretending that it isn't there makes him feel like he's being insincere. Its a fairly realistic take on what it might be like to suddenly find your self dealing with disabled people on a day to day basis.

On the third act and so far the game hasn't been exploitative in the least and I'm frankly very touched by the game. The depiction of the disabled is sensitive without being patronizing. I still need to complete a route but so far I see nothing wrong with it.

I'm also saying this as someone who's worked MRDD. I feel my heart thoroughly warmed.

I've been playing it with the 18+ option turned off. I'm liking it so far. Better quality and writing than what I was expecting.

GreatTeacherCAW:
Well isn't this just peachy. No offense, but I cannot think of one normal person who would go out of their way to date someone who is physically disabled. A game that only offers me that choice? No thanks.

The main character is disabled and is going to a school that specializes in catering to the needs of disabled students.

DeltaEdge:
Very interesting concept. I would play it if it wasn't a hentai game. I know you can probably just not do those parts, but I still just don't want to play a game with hentai in it. But I don't discourage other people from playing it. Looks much better than those standard generic cliche commercials I see for the generic dating sim with big breasted stereo-typical personalities with no real depth. If I was into those kinds of games, I would most definitely play this.

You can turn off 18+ content in the options like I did. Without it it's a good visual novel about overcoming one's physical disabilities. It's mature, well written, and thought out I can't image what it would be like with the 18+ content. It would seem very out of place.

Kenjitsuka:
I don't see the short-armed girl in the screenshot.

But seriously... who the heck decided those five handicaps where okay to include in a DATING game?
I mean, being disabled is nothing to be ashamed off, I was born handicapped as well. But to debute handicaps in games by having you romance what passes for "super hot chicks" in Japan isn't an ideal introduction, I reckon....

The problem with so called "Positive discrimination" is that ALL discrimination is wrong, because it only widens the gap. When a person gets a benefit from being handicapped (which appearantly includes belonging to a huge group that isn't "native"), every OTHER person gets really pissed off. In the hypothetical game scenario here I would say the "hero" protagonist would go: "Hey, WTF can't I date quote-un-quote "NORMAL" women/girls?, just because I have some heart defect????".

Not that it makes a sliver of difference, since they all have abnormally large boobs and ditto faces... ?

There is NO discrimination here, this here is called a fetish. This is for people with a disability fetish, no more, no less.

Not that the cameo by Lelouch on that picture was replaced in the full game.
:|

Not that the cameo by Lelouch on that picture was replaced in the full game.
:|

antipunt:
The more I read about this game, the more I want to experience it. Might just be the hype though >_<

I know exactly what you mean (I think). It sounds great but theres just something that makes me unsure of myself getting the game/visual novel/dating sim. *sigh* :/

NoOne852:

antipunt:
The more I read about this game, the more I want to experience it. Might just be the hype though >_<

I know exactly what you mean (I think). It sounds great but theres just something that makes me unsure of myself getting the game. *sigh* :/

It's not like it costs any money, download and try it out. If you don't like it delete it. It's always fun to try something different as long as it's free (I'm cheap).

Paladin Anderson:

GreatTeacherCAW:
Well isn't this just peachy. No offense, but I cannot think of one normal person who would go out of their way to date someone who is physically disabled. A game that only offers me that choice? No thanks.

The main character is disabled and is going to a school that specializes in catering to the needs of disabled students.

How does that make it better? Are a bunch of disabled people going to play a dating sim that lets them date other disabled people like some Lifetime movie, or will they play a dating sim where they date perfectly healthy people? It honestly sounds like a fetish game.

TehCookie:

NoOne852:

antipunt:
The more I read about this game, the more I want to experience it. Might just be the hype though >_<

I know exactly what you mean (I think). It sounds great but theres just something that makes me unsure of myself getting the game. *sigh* :/

It's not like it costs any money, download and try it out. If you don't like it delete it. It's always fun to try something different as long as it's free (I'm cheap).

Eh, why not, you have a point. Free is free. If it actually cost something I wouldn't bother cause I am trying to save up and not having a source of income in college makes that an issue... Anyway, the moral of the story is, it will be downloaded shortly.

Also, got to love captcha wanting us to type math equations...

GreatTeacherCAW:
How does that make it better? Are a bunch of disabled people going to play a dating sim that lets them date other disabled people like some Lifetime movie, or will they play a dating sim where they date perfectly healthy people? It honestly sounds like a fetish game.

They're not 'disabled people', they're people who happen to have disabilities. What's wrong with people dating other people? Or are they some kind of strange freaks?

The only ones saying "it's some sick twisted fetish porn game" are the people who haven't even bothered to give it a try. Every single person who has played it has said that it's absolutely not the case.

There really seems to be two (maybe 3 if you count "undecided" as one) very distinct opinions in this thread: the "I've played it and this is good/great/surprising/excellent/better than expected," and the "I haven't played this but think it is weird/unnatural/fetish pandering/porn."

I'd have to say Katawa Shoujo is one of the better examples I can think of of testing people's open-mindedness. If your default opinion upon hearing of a game where you fall in love with disabled girls is "This sounds despicable, I can't believe people would stoop so low as this," doesn't that say a little something about your faith in humanity? Is it really so impossible to think that a game's developers could handle this subject well? Is it so hard to think that this could be extremely well-done, well-handled, and that you might even enjoy it?

There's a conversation fairly early on between the protagonist and the librarian about how difficult it is to act around the people he's meeting, in which (roughly paraphrased) he mentions the difficulty in dealing with the elephant in the room (i.e. everyone's varying disabilities). To which she replies, "I think it's only an elephant if you feel it is."

That's the general feel coming Katawa Shoujo. It's not about anything except the people themselves. They aren't their disabilities any more than any character can be summed up by their various personality traits. It's not "Emi, the girl with no legs," it's not even "Emi, the always-cheerful, stubborn track star with a secret love of pillowfights," it's just Emi. It's a testament to the character writing that they don't feel like characters, just...people.

And that's really what's at the heart of a "dating sim:" not a sad escape for lonely people, not extremely slow fap material, just an opportunity for you to meet different people from different walks of life that you never would have otherwise.

So come on, give it a shot. It's fun, enlightening, a touch inspiring, and if you don't break into a colossal shit-eating grin at some point in everyone's route I don't think you can call yourself human. The only thing you have to lose is an uninformed opinion.

First game that I've actually played through. These kind of games don't normally attract me, but hey, the story sounded interesting and innovative, if anything. So I gave it a shot.

And it's actually pretty good. The characters, though the sometimes fall into the anime cliche persona (Headstrong girl, shy girl, nerdy girl, happy-go-lucky girl,etc.), feel pretty real. You don't think of them as the girl who has no legs or the girl who can't speak or the one with the obvious scar on her face. You learn to appreciate the girls (Seriously, there's only two guys in the school, yourself included) for who they are. Sure, you got your drama and gossip and secrets and stuff. I mean, we know those are gonna be there. But the game makes them look realistic, you know? Not like you're watching an anime about the super secretive girl who won't share anything just for the sake of being hard on you/being a badass. Each story is unique and it makes sense.

Another thing I liked about it is that it wasn't super long, I finished all 4 acts in about 5 hours. It starts slow, though. And even though I wanted to go after a specific girl, I ended up being paired with the last thing I had in mind. I was actually fine with it once I found out more about that character. In my case...

One thing I didn't like, though. Throughout the entire gameplay, I only made like 10 choices. The rest was just clicking over and over again, almost like reading a novel. It didn't feel like I was making the decisions that much. But I don't know if that's the way it goes with these games.

...And I still feel like the lead guy has no business at that school. There's girl with no legs, scarred girl, blind girl, mute girl, hyperactive/dumb (?) girl, guy with cane, girl with no hand and...guy who suffered a heart attack once and suffers from a condition that doesn't really come into play except once or twice. :/

Screw the topic - what the fuck is THIS???

Earnest Cavalli:
Feel free to scrawl any kneejerk opinions in the comments section below,

You already seem to have one group presupposed, or - at the very least - are attempting to cash in on a sensationalism for replies exchange rate.

Korten12:
Anyone notice Lelouch from Code Geass in the middle of the screenshot..?

Wonder what he is suffering from. Also, you have quite the eyesight, Sir/Madam. Would never have noticed that high born Britannian brat there.

All Hail Orange-kun!

"congenital heart defect"

Get it?! Get it?! He has a broken heart!!

Seriously, for all the subtly Japanese culture has, it's largely absent from anime and manga. That's why I don't find these games all that interesting. The girls are physically disabled, and so they're going for a 'beautiful personality' style story, but because the company wants you to like them, they're given hugely cute character designs, so that the only 'ugly' part of the character is the disability. That's probably the complete opposite of the message they wanted to send.

Perhaps that's reading too much into it, but all too often when I play Japanese games, or watch anime (particularly with the main stream stuff) I can just hear the creators having that Welcome to the NHK conversation, where they pile on character points without really thinking about it might mean.

Buuut, that's a blanket generalisation and completely unfair to say about a game I only heard about ten minutes ago and probably won't play. These games tend to be predictable with their plots though... back when I was heavily into anime I could tell you the exact outcome of most shows, right down to the pacing and dialogue.

GreatTeacherCAW:

Paladin Anderson:

GreatTeacherCAW:
Well isn't this just peachy. No offense, but I cannot think of one normal person who would go out of their way to date someone who is physically disabled. A game that only offers me that choice? No thanks.

The main character is disabled and is going to a school that specializes in catering to the needs of disabled students.

How does that make it better? Are a bunch of disabled people going to play a dating sim that lets them date other disabled people like some Lifetime movie, or will they play a dating sim where they date perfectly healthy people? It honestly sounds like a fetish game.

If you have a fetish for that sort of thing or want a hentai game with a twist then play with the 18+ option on.

If you're just curios and want to see a decent graphic novel about people overcoming their disabilities, then turn the 18+ off. I downloaded it out of curiosity and was surprised at how good the writing and the characterizations are. I'm playing with 18+ turned off and honestly I think 18+ content would be very out of place in this game. Like a feel good family movie that suddenly turns into a porno.

Try it for yourself. But if you're sold on the opinion that it's stupid and everyone who touches it is sick then why are you even on this thread?

To mock a game you know next to nothing about is to copy Fox New's reaction to Mass Effect's "sex scene".

Paladin Anderson:

GreatTeacherCAW:

Paladin Anderson:

The main character is disabled and is going to a school that specializes in catering to the needs of disabled students.

How does that make it better? Are a bunch of disabled people going to play a dating sim that lets them date other disabled people like some Lifetime movie, or will they play a dating sim where they date perfectly healthy people? It honestly sounds like a fetish game.

If you have a fetish for that sort of thing or want a hentai game with a twist then play with the 18+ option on.

If you're just curios and want to see a decent graphic novel about people overcoming their disabilities, then turn the 18+ off. I downloaded it out of curiosity and was surprised at how good the writing and the characterizations are. I'm playing with 18+ turned off and honestly I think 18+ content would be very out of place in this game. Like a feel good family movie that suddenly turns into a porno.

Try it for yourself. But if you're sold on the opinion that it's stupid and everyone who touches it is sick then why are you even on this thread?

To mock a game you've never played is to copy Fox New's reaction to Mass Effect's "sex scene".

I mock dating sims in general, because I hate all 6 that I have played. Sure, I'll download it and come back here and tell you how much I hate it. Dating sims are the cheesy midlife crisis romance novels of the gaming world.

GreatTeacherCAW:

Paladin Anderson:

GreatTeacherCAW:

How does that make it better? Are a bunch of disabled people going to play a dating sim that lets them date other disabled people like some Lifetime movie, or will they play a dating sim where they date perfectly healthy people? It honestly sounds like a fetish game.

If you have a fetish for that sort of thing or want a hentai game with a twist then play with the 18+ option on.

If you're just curios and want to see a decent graphic novel about people overcoming their disabilities, then turn the 18+ off. I downloaded it out of curiosity and was surprised at how good the writing and the characterizations are. I'm playing with 18+ turned off and honestly I think 18+ content would be very out of place in this game. Like a feel good family movie that suddenly turns into a porno.

Try it for yourself. But if you're sold on the opinion that it's stupid and everyone who touches it is sick then why are you even on this thread?

To mock a game you've never played is to copy Fox New's reaction to Mass Effect's "sex scene".

I mock dating sims in general, because I hate all 6 that I have played. Sure, I'll download it and come back here and tell you how much I hate it. Dating sims are the cheesy midlife crisis romance novels of the gaming world.

Don't bother. As you can see, most of the people on this thread who tried the game with an open mind liked it and my statement that the 18+ content is out of place has been stated at least once before.

Sadly, your mind is made up and nothing and no one is going to change that. Trying the game would only be a waste of your time and your synopsis of it isn't something I would bother reading.

Paladin Anderson:

GreatTeacherCAW:

Paladin Anderson:

If you have a fetish for that sort of thing or want a hentai game with a twist then play with the 18+ option on.

If you're just curios and want to see a decent graphic novel about people overcoming their disabilities, then turn the 18+ off. I downloaded it out of curiosity and was surprised at how good the writing and the characterizations are. I'm playing with 18+ turned off and honestly I think 18+ content would be very out of place in this game. Like a feel good family movie that suddenly turns into a porno.

Try it for yourself. But if you're sold on the opinion that it's stupid and everyone who touches it is sick then why are you even on this thread?

To mock a game you've never played is to copy Fox New's reaction to Mass Effect's "sex scene".

I mock dating sims in general, because I hate all 6 that I have played. Sure, I'll download it and come back here and tell you how much I hate it. Dating sims are the cheesy midlife crisis romance novels of the gaming world.

Don't bother. As you can see, most of the people on this thread who tried the game with an open mind liked it and my statement that the 18+ content is out of place has been stated at least once before.

Sadly, your mind is made up and nothing and no one is going to change that. Trying the game would only be a waste of your time and your synopsis of it isn't something I would bother reading.

And to think I was actually going to play at least an hour of it and tell you my thoughts. But since you have already ignored me for seemingly no reason, I guess you'll never know them. Not like you would have accepted a negative opinion of the game anyway.

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