Gamers Demand Dark Souls PC Port

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Gamers Demand Dark Souls PC Port

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A petition requesting a PC port of From Software's, profoundly-unforgiving Dark Souls has picked up 30,000 signatures in one day.

The petition was sparked by a thread on the Namco Bandai forums, following an article on Rock, Paper Shotgun. The petition picked up 7000 signatures in its first seven hours, and has now reached a total of 33,513 at the time of writing.

The petition correctly points out that Dark Souls is a perfect fit for the PC. It would be fair to say Dark Souls draws some influence from the savagely-difficult roguelikes of yesteryear.

"A port of this game has a high chance of being extremely successful for From Software and Namco Bandai," reads the petition. "Given the sales of games such as The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim and The Witcher, there is a large market for games like this. PC gamers love unforgiving, hardcore games."

Dark Souls, which is a multiplatform title, has thoroughly thrashed its PS3 exclusive predecessor Demons Souls, having sold more copies in its first month of sales than the latter did during its entire lifetime. So there is money to be made in going multiplatform.

The petition also mentions that the more powerful hardware generally found in gaming PC's would alleviate some of the game's notorious performance issues, Blighttown being the most obvious example, and that Steam would be a perfect venue for the game's unique online modes. I imagine the game's thoroughly integrated online features, which are really quite essential to the experience, would be a potent defense against the inevitable piracy issue.

From Software did dabble in PC ports recently with the abysmal, Ninja Gaiden knock-off, Ninja Blade. It was a fairly terrible port, to be sure, but it was also a fairly terrible game to begin with. Dark Souls on the other hand, is legitimately brilliant, even if it beats me like a drunken stepdad.

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I'd like to see it. If anything, it could set a positive precedent for other developers to follow.

As I have stated before, if it has Mods, I won't buy it. If it doesn't, I will buy it again to play it on my laptop.

I used to think online petitions like this were meaningless... then Project Rainfall happened...

Given that the games online capabilities automatically make it required for it to be online, I don't think there would be much of a problem DRM wise as long as they don't do it Ubisoft style, so I don't see how this could go wrong!
Other than it being a crappy port, which is possible

I agree. Steam would be an excellent match with its online element. I'm still struggling to go through Demon's Souls (or however you write that) but I'm looking forward to playing Dark Souls once I'm done dying in the first one.

I do however disagree that Ninja Blade was bad. It wasn't as polished as Ninja Gaiden but there were some very subtle nuances that made it better than people think.

Korten12:
As I have stated before, if it has Mods, I won't buy it. If it doesn't, I will buy it again to play it on my laptop.

wat. If it has mods you won't buy it and if it doesn't you'll buy it again...?

Kopikatsu:

Korten12:
As I have stated before, if it has Mods, I won't buy it. If it doesn't, I will buy it again to play it on my laptop.

wat. If it has mods you won't buy it and if it doesn't you'll buy it again...?

Without going into it again, I will say this. Dark Souls doesn't support it self to mods. It is tightly crafted, the way the online works, to the world. Everything should be kept the way it was original created.

Anyways, I think I lean more towards Epicnamebro's line of thought. They should give the next iteration of the Souls series a port, or better yet, make it side-by-side with the console version.

Korten12:

Kopikatsu:

Korten12:
As I have stated before, if it has Mods, I won't buy it. If it doesn't, I will buy it again to play it on my laptop.

wat. If it has mods you won't buy it and if it doesn't you'll buy it again...?

Without going into it again, I will say this. Dark Souls doesn't support it self to mods. It is tightly crafted, the way the online works, to the world. Everything should be kept the way it was original created.

I don't see how being able to support mods would make the game any worse. I can see your train of thought but mods are completely optional. You can still play the game vanilla. No one's going to force you to download this mod or that.

X4NDR:

Korten12:

Kopikatsu:

wat. If it has mods you won't buy it and if it doesn't you'll buy it again...?

Without going into it again, I will say this. Dark Souls doesn't support it self to mods. It is tightly crafted, the way the online works, to the world. Everything should be kept the way it was original created.

I don't see how being able to support mods would make the game any worse. I can see your train of thought but mods are completely optional. You can still play the game vanilla. No one's going to force you to download this mod or that.

Because of how the game works. The online doesn't support it. What people fail to understand is that this will BE A PORT. They will not overhaul the whole multiplayer system so then a couple of people could mod.

Y'know, as much as I adore this game (self-admitted fanboy, even), I don't think it would fit as well as people think, if only for the fact that it's so well made. It's perfectly fitted to the controller, from the control scheme to gameplay elements to UIs to everything. And sure, you can plug a gamepad into your PC, but that doesn't mean they can just release it without keyboard and mouse support. And if it releases with keyboard and mouse support, there will be people who play it with keyboard and mouse, and whose opinions of it will be permanently soured by that first experience. Either that, or they completely retool the game to fit the keyboard and mouse control scheme, at which point it's basically a different game with the same plot.

Even though I'd buy it and play it all over again if it did get the port >.>

X4NDR:
I don't see how being able to support mods would make the game any worse. I can see your train of thought but mods are completely optional. You can still play the game vanilla. No one's going to force you to download this mod or that.

The problem is the way in which the PvP/Co-Op system works. If you allowed mod support, you'd splinter that entire mechanic irrevocably, because there is zero separation between offline and online play. People can invade you at any time when you're human, and you can summon anyone that has a sign down. But if you introduce mods, you either make it so that people with different mod setups from other people can't play together, in which case you'll get tons of people that can't play with ANYONE, or you make mods useable no matter who you're matched with, which would lead to cheating like hell.

I'd be down with this. After all, my brother took the PS3 and all my games for it to Alberta, so I'd like something like this to happen.

I have to disagree about Ninja Blade. At least, it being a terrible game (I have no experience with the PC Port). Was it a bit of a rip-off? Oh definitely. Was it as grueling and cruel as Ninja Gaiden? Nope.

But it certainly wasn't terrible. It had its mediocre moments sure but the game was still enjoyable for its wackiness and the gameplay was decent as well. It'll likely be better than Ninja Gaiden 3 at least, because it chooses to indulge in insanity and over-the-top final attacks instead of trying to push in a bunch of humanity bullshit and shitty 1-liner ninja jokes coming from Ryu Hayabusa.

Also, I'd support Dark Souls, but not from Bandai Namco. They haven't impressed me like Atlus has with Demon's Souls, and so far I doubt they'd be able to even handle the PC version of the game. You'd end up having to rely on player-made patches to get the game working.
Though, if it was on the PC, we could finally figure out what the frack the stupid Pendant does for real.

As much as I appreciate the sentiment in the petition, I'm dubious about the multiplayer component.

Though it's often true that "PCs have better hardware," it's also just as often not true.
Laptop doesn't have decent video? Trying to play games on a pentium 4? PC has a million bits of performance crippling bloatware because you didn't look after it?

And so ... anyone who has PC gamed online with any frequency will attest to how someone else with below-spec hardware can cause performance issues with everyone's experience.
While in say, street fighter 4, I'm happy enough to take a loss and then avoid that particular opponent as best I can, it's not a viable thing to do with Dark Souls.

(Also, Skyrim is not hardcore)

What a splendit coincidence... Total Halibut just posted a video about the very same petition that got about 385.000 views in two days, and suddenly the petition starts to spike.

link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUXw86Vn8ko&feature=plcp&context=C37cd4ffUDOEgsToPDskLzYp_oIxKYDQArfkvs3l0T

I have a feeling I know why it suddenly got 30.000 votes...

Absolutionis:
I used to think online petitions like this were meaningless... then Project Rainfall happened...

Well, they already have a PC-friendly X360 version out and they aim for a niche market anyway, so a stacked petition might weigh more. The game's unique online mechanic might also actually convince people not to pirate it. We'll see.

cursedseishi:
I have to disagree about Ninja Blade. At least, it being a terrible game (I have no experience with the PC Port). Was it a bit of a rip-off? Oh definitely. Was it as grueling and cruel as Ninja Gaiden? Nope.

But it certainly wasn't terrible. It had its mediocre moments sure but the game was still enjoyable for its wackiness and the gameplay was decent as well. It'll likely be better than Ninja Gaiden 3 at least, because it chooses to indulge in insanity and over-the-top final attacks instead of trying to push in a bunch of humanity bullshit and shitty 1-liner ninja jokes coming from Ryu Hayabusa.

Also, I'd support Dark Souls, but not from Bandai Namco. They haven't impressed me like Atlus has with Demon's Souls, and so far I doubt they'd be able to even handle the PC version of the game. You'd end up having to rely on player-made patches to get the game working.
Though, if it was on the PC, we could finally figure out what the frack the stupid Pendant does for real.

We already do know. It makes it so when you talk to Quelaan you actually can understand her rather then just "..."

If it does get ported to PC operating systems, I hope they port it to all of them, and not just Windows. Yeah, Windows may be widespread, but they're missing out on sales by not catering to the MacOS and Linux userbase. Just look at the Humble Bundle stats. A sizeable chunk of their sales come from Linux users, and the Linux users also tend to pay the most.

Korten12:

X4NDR:

Korten12:

Without going into it again, I will say this. Dark Souls doesn't support it self to mods. It is tightly crafted, the way the online works, to the world. Everything should be kept the way it was original created.

I don't see how being able to support mods would make the game any worse. I can see your train of thought but mods are completely optional. You can still play the game vanilla. No one's going to force you to download this mod or that.

Because of how the game works. The online doesn't support it. What people fail to understand is that this will BE A PORT. They will not overhaul the whole multiplayer system so then a couple of people could mod.

No offense, but what you are saying is completely irrelevant to the game. It can't conceivably support mods, but no one has even said anything about modding it or having it support mods. I for one would buy this a second time, no questions asked, if it were to show up on Steam. Mods shouldn't even begin to make or break the idea of a purchase for anyone. They are completely optional, and while the online mechanic has it's positives, there was plenty of times it was more annoying than fun. But, as with the console counterpart, it's optional.

People, people, chill. If you want an action-adventure hack&slash RPG-ish medieval game that's hard as hell and will murder you multiple times, regardless of how hard you try to anticipate where the next giant spinning blades or orc with giant sword will pop up from, we've already got this:
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Baresark:

Korten12:

X4NDR:

I don't see how being able to support mods would make the game any worse. I can see your train of thought but mods are completely optional. You can still play the game vanilla. No one's going to force you to download this mod or that.

Because of how the game works. The online doesn't support it. What people fail to understand is that this will BE A PORT. They will not overhaul the whole multiplayer system so then a couple of people could mod.

No offense, but what you are saying is completely irrelevant to the game. It can't conceivably support mods, but no one has even said anything about modding it or having it support mods. I for one would buy this a second time, no questions asked, if it were to show up on Steam. Mods shouldn't even begin to make or break the idea of a purchase for anyone. They are completely optional, and while the online mechanic has it's positives, there was plenty of times it was more annoying than fun. But, as with the console counterpart, it's optional.

It was talked about in the other thread. I sort of brought it into here. :P

Korten12:

Because of how the game works. The online doesn't support it. What people fail to understand is that this will BE A PORT. They will not overhaul the whole multiplayer system so then a couple of people could mod.

I don't understand why modding is even a question. There are very few engines that support modding and allows script access willingly (Unreal Engine, Source, Gamebryo, etc). I've never seen a PhyreEngine game shipped with mod tools. So why all the concern here?

"PC gamers love unforgiving, hardcore games" - like Skyrim? Somehow, I think the two are incomparable in terms of difficulty, since in Dark Souls you cant break the game by crouching down...

On topic, I have no issues with the current version of Dark Souls other than the extremely long wait you can experience when trying to invade or aid other people. It seems like a PC port, with all the better-access-to-the-internet-ability, may alleviate this somewhat.

hmm, seem to recall something from total biscuit recently, coincidence, i think not.

Raiyan 1.0:

Korten12:

Because of how the game works. The online doesn't support it. What people fail to understand is that this will BE A PORT. They will not overhaul the whole multiplayer system so then a couple of people could mod.

I don't understand why modding is even a question. There are very few engines that support modding and allows script access willingly (Unreal Engine, Source, Gamebryo, etc). I've never seen a PhyreEngine game shipped with mod tools. So why all the concern here?

Oh, well I didn't know that.

Pfftt...Dark Souls is kindergarten stuff next to Dwarf Fortress or Eve. ;)

Raiyan 1.0:
I've never seen a PhyreEngine game shipped with mod tools. So why all the concern here?

Because PC gamers are willful and disobedient and often mod games even without official mod tools being available.

Of course any game with a significant online component can be a massive pain in the arse to mod and, depending on the coding, even make it impossible to use mods on official servers.

This is probably going to get a lot of signitures behind it. You know why? Totalbiscuit supports it.

Keep on truckin' PC bros. You deserve the opportunity to enjoy such a fantastic FROM title.

Maybe they can port the entire Armored Core series next, and then you'll REALLY be having a blast.

The_root_of_all_evil:
Pfftt...Dark Souls is kindergarten stuff next to Dwarf Fortress or Eve. ;)

I consider myself a hardcore stradegygamer.. But even with guides Dwarven Fortress was still a big ??? to me. Im a big pictures guy, and the first might and magics are amongst some of my favorite games so you cant really say graphics matter that much to me but... I just want pictures of trees to symbolize trees q_q

Good luck pc owners! It's a fantastic game! But warning you now it's incredibly addictive!

Korten12:
As I have stated before, if it has Mods, I won't buy it. If it doesn't, I will buy it again to play it on my laptop.

Okay first of all, mods, by their very nature, are not compatible with online play, because a mod essentially alters the version of your game. Just like the way you can't play MP if you don't have the right patch update, having certain mods installed that no one else has leaves you without MP features (or breaks the feature entirely).

Not saying people can't use mods in MP. Aesthetic mods like skin packs, decal packs, texture packs and other purely visual mods do not interfere with a game in the slightest (bar potential performance issues on the user who installs the mod).

For more comprehensive mods, like unofficial balance changes, new items/weapons with unique stats and new locations/enemies etc. it requires other people to have the same mod installed for a game to operate on MP, if at all... as I said earlier, mods can break online features.

Ultimately, however, Console ports to PC rarely if ever ship with mod tools anyway and even after that, never truly support Mods for online play, leaving it to the communities themselves to work around that obstacle (thus keeping it within that community) . For the average, un-modified joe the presence of mods changes nothing. Unless people use trainers/hacks which are a form of mod. These however, exist with or without dev support and are highly frowned upon (and breaks the ToS/CoC of most companies).

Simply put, there is no reason for the presence of mod support to affect your decision in buying the game. If you don't use them, it does not affect you at all.

The more Sunbros the better.

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Praise the Sun!

The_root_of_all_evil:
Pfftt...Dark Souls is kindergarten stuff next to Dwarf Fortress or Eve. ;)

I can defeat all the demons in Demon's Souls but I can't for the life of me get a farm going. God damn dwarfs.

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