Microsoft Blocks Late-Night Gaming for South Korean Kids

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Microsoft Blocks Late-Night Gaming for South Korean Kids

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South Korean kids under 16 will no longer be able to access Xbox Live between the hours of midnight and 6 am.

Online gaming is a pretty big thing in South Korea, so I'm told, to the point that the South Korean government saw fit to enact a "Shutdown Law" in November 2011, banning teenagers under 16 years of age from playing online games between 12 am and 6 am. The law was originally aimed at MMOs but grew to encompass other online gaming in its final form.

Sony announced shortly before the law took effect that it would prevent under-16 gamers from connecting to the PlayStation Network and now Microsoft, which was given a two-month "grace period" to figure out how to implement a similar system of its own, says it will now begin blocking underage gamers as well. It's bad news for the kids but good news for everyone else, as Microsoft was initially thinking about shutting the service down entirely during the six-hour blackout rather than having to deal with the complexities and hassle of coming up with a functioning age filter.

Good on Microsoft for figuring out the complicated process of checking birth dates in user accounts, but there's still the question of how the new rules will handle people who just lie about their ages when they sign up for an online gaming service. Just like conventional age gates, the system works perfectly as long as everyone involved is completely honest. But if some 15-year-old kid decides he really wants to play online at 1 am and he's not too attached to his gamer ID to let it go? I can't see this law will do much to stop him.

You know what would stop him? Parents who tell their kids to turn it off and go to bed, and then make sure it happens. Crazy idea, I know, but maybe someone should give it a try.

Source: Kotaku

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Andy Chalk:
You know what would stop him? Parents who tell their kids to turn it off and go to bed, and then make sure it happens. Crazy idea, I know, but maybe someone should give it a try.

Yeah because if there is one thing teenagers are known for, it's NOT finding way to subvert their parent's authority. Especially the ones who lie about their ages in an online gaming service.

DVS BSTrD:

Andy Chalk:
You know what would stop him? Parents who tell their kids to turn it off and go to bed, and then make sure it happens. Crazy idea, I know, but maybe someone should give it a try.

Yeah because if there is one thing teenagers are known for, it's NOT finding way to subvert their parent's authority. Especially the ones who lie about their ages in an online gaming service.

That doesn't excuse parents from setting boundaries just because their children can be devious. They'll just have to try harder, that's what they're there for. The government shouldn't be doing their job.

Cowabungaa:

DVS BSTrD:

Andy Chalk:
You know what would stop him? Parents who tell their kids to turn it off and go to bed, and then make sure it happens. Crazy idea, I know, but maybe someone should give it a try.

Yeah because if there is one thing teenagers are known for, it's NOT finding way to subvert their parent's authority. Especially the ones who lie about their ages in an online gaming service.

That doesn't excuse parents from setting boundaries just because their children can be devious. They'll just have to try harder, that's what they're there for. The government shouldn't be doing their job.

Oh indeed, I'm just saying it's not unreasonable to have something to fallback on. The Korean youth (or any youth for that matter) aren't exactly known for their restraint when it comes to gaming. I wouldn't be in favor of restricting internet access as a rule, but the kids should sleep SOMETIME!

DVS BSTrD:

Andy Chalk:
You know what would stop him? Parents who tell their kids to turn it off and go to bed, and then make sure it happens. Crazy idea, I know, but maybe someone should give it a try.

Yeah because if there is one thing teenagers are known for, it's NOT finding way to subvert their parent's authority. Especially the ones who lie about their ages in an online gaming service.

How dare you question specious reasoning?

Parents getting involved with their kids? In this day and age? What kind of backwater journalist are you. Ya hippie.

When I was 15 not only did I not have any internet at all but I had an 11pm curfew.

kids are spoiled these days.

As much as we say that parents SHOULD be putting boundaries on their kids, it's pretty clear that they aren't/are unable to enforce it. That's why this happens. It's not so much "government taking care of your kids for you whether you want it or not" as much as "government covering for inept parents".

Ya, I mean it's not like these so called parents might have jobs or something and need a good nights sleep to perform well at work. They should be waking up at a random time every hour to check to make sure these kids aren't playing video games!

There are always ways around a system. If they want to play games at 3am and are smart about it, they'll find a way. Unless the parents were to keep the console under lock and key or something. Which actually sounds like something my parents might have done if it came to it.

Andy Chalk:
It's bad news for the kids but good news for everyone else, as Microsoft was initially thinking about shutting the service down entirely during the six-hour blackout rather than having to deal with the complexities and hassle of coming up with a functioning age filter.

Actually I think it would have been better to shut it down during those hours. Then older gamers would know what the younger owns were going through and might be a bit more vociferous in their objections to this law.

So, yeah thanks Microsoft for putting together technology to oppress a minority.

I don't want to hear any further stories about how far ahead S Korea are when it comes to technology, etc anymore. With this law they just took a step 100 year backwards and no amount of super new mobile devices etc will change that.

The thought of if I had had to grow up with that kind of law. I just don't want to think about it.

ph0b0s123:

Andy Chalk:
It's bad news for the kids but good news for everyone else, as Microsoft was initially thinking about shutting the service down entirely during the six-hour blackout rather than having to deal with the complexities and hassle of coming up with a functioning age filter.

Actually I think it would have been better to shut it down during those hours. Then older gamers would know what the younger owns were going through and might be a bit more vociferous in their objections to this law.

So, yeah thanks Microsoft for putting together technology to oppress a minority.

I don't want to hear any further stories about how far ahead S Korea are when it comes to technology, etc anymore. With this law they just took a step 100 year backwards and no amount of super new mobile devices etc will change that.

The thought of if I had had to grow up with that kind of law. I just don't want to think about it.

Yeah, 15 year olds can't do a lot of things:
-can't drive
-can't smoke
-can't vote
-cannot freely travel
-cannot go beyond 1st base
-Can't procure alcoholic beverages (though in US, even 20 years olds cannot do that).
-Can't see R-rated movies in theatres

And come on, this is ONLY AFTER MIDNIGHT and only in compliance with South Korean laws! Why is it so important that 14 and 15 year olds keep playing multiplayer games through to 1am and 2am? I understand the precedent is severe and this may just be the thin end of the wedge but online networks DO have a problem with minors and this is a step in the right direction.

I welcome any period where all the whiny foul mouthed zero-accountability little brats on Xbox Live are gone. You only have to hear a fraction of the vile trash talk and the cracking pitch of their voice that it is largely young teenage boys who are responsible. As an adult I am fed up that my pastime is not only filled with kids (for games that are rated 17/18+) but that they act so terribly, clearly with no discipline either from their parents nor self-discipline that (usually) comes with adulthood.

What is the point in winning a game if either way I have to deal with disgusting insults and griefers?

Now this may be a slippery slope towards excessive action but we are not there yet.

I am quite interested to see how many young Koreans will set their alarm for 5:30am to early rise to a new online gaming session?

Wow, good on Microsoft indeed, Andy. At least the fun won't be ruined for everyone in South Korea now. Just the kids. :P

Yeesh, tough break South Korea. But yeah, this should be the job of the fucking parents, not the government.

Treblaine:

ph0b0s123:

Andy Chalk:
It's bad news for the kids but good news for everyone else, as Microsoft was initially thinking about shutting the service down entirely during the six-hour blackout rather than having to deal with the complexities and hassle of coming up with a functioning age filter.

Actually I think it would have been better to shut it down during those hours. Then older gamers would know what the younger owns were going through and might be a bit more vociferous in their objections to this law.

So, yeah thanks Microsoft for putting together technology to oppress a minority.

I don't want to hear any further stories about how far ahead S Korea are when it comes to technology, etc anymore. With this law they just took a step 100 year backwards and no amount of super new mobile devices etc will change that.

The thought of if I had had to grow up with that kind of law. I just don't want to think about it.

Yeah, 15 year olds can't do a lot of things:
-can't drive
-can't smoke
-can't vote
-cannot freely travel
-cannot go beyond 1st base
-Can't procure alcoholic beverages (though in US, even 20 years olds cannot do that).
-Can't see R-rated movies in theatres

And come on, this is ONLY AFTER MIDNIGHT and only in compliance with South Korean laws! Why is it so important that 14 and 15 year olds keep playing multiplayer games through to 1am and 2am? I understand the precedent is severe and this may just be the thin end of the wedge but online networks DO have a problem with minors and this is a step in the right direction.

I welcome any period where all the whiny foul mouthed zero-accountability little brats on Xbox Live are gone. You only have to hear a fraction of the vile trash talk and the cracking pitch of their voice that it is largely young teenage boys who are responsible. As an adult I am fed up that my pastime is not only filled with kids (for games that are rated 17/18+) but that they act so terribly, clearly with no discipline either from their parents nor self-discipline that (usually) comes with adulthood.

What is the point in winning a game if either way I have to deal with disgusting insults and griefers?

Now this may be a slippery slope towards excessive action but we are not there yet.

I am quite interested to see how many young Koreans will set their alarm for 5:30am to early rise to a new online gaming session?

The problem with the things they can't do that you quote is that they have never in living memory been allowed to do this. This is something they (and I when younger) have been able to do up until now that is being taken away. Also isn't xbox live more than just on-line games, doesn't it not being available also affect some off-line activities.

As far as them being gobsh1tes when on-line, that is a completely separate issue that should result in bans all the time, not just at certain times of day by a 'nanny state'. If Microsoft can work-out there is a person under 16 so their live connection should be turned off at certain times, why can't they also work out that that under 16 should not be playing an over 18 game.

If it's a parental setting you can turn on and off, fair enough. If not, who's business is it when someone's playing Video Games anyway? Kid gets back from a flight at 12 oclock, absolutely wide awake, and they can't pass the time playing Video Games?

RoseArch:
Parents getting involved with their kids? In this day and age? What kind of backwater journalist are you. Ya hippie.

wouldn't he be a nazi? I mean Hippies are the reason kids today do not have any boundaries.

I've got a simple solution keep the damn modem in the head of household bedroom and just unplug the bitch when you go to sleep. If your kids steal it while you're sleeping well your the adult, lay down the law. Jeez kids today, you'd think they make the money in the house and parents just throw up their hands without trying. Use a little creative juices to solve your problems here.

I'm really not impressed with this law but then again since I'm living in a country with a bill of rights I would be at wits end.

I grew up in the north where it was very cold in the winter. Needless to say I had a thick skin for it. My parents used to argue with me about wearing more clothes as I was rather hot blooded. I don't know why I wouldn't (too long ago) but I wouldn't. So through the powers that parents wield they convinced me to be more prepared for the outdoors. They probably just told me I was being stupid (because I was.) I don't really see how parents are so powerless to their own children.

This anecdote is similar in that it is a very real problem that has a simple solution that MUST be implemented by parents, not the state. The differences are purely semantics and any grievances belong to the worlds smallest violin

I'm all for this. Kids shouldnt be playing video games at 2am. Heres hoping the west follows their example.

Sometimes kids need protecting from themselves.

ph0b0s123:

The problem with the things they can't do that you quote is that they have never in living memory been allowed to do this. This is something they (and I when younger) have been able to do up until now that is being taken away.

Technology moves on. Things change (online gaming as a popular past time is still rather new) then new legislation is not unreasonable. At one point there were no laws regarding children and alcohol or cars or sex, someone had to live through those changes.

Treblaine:
When I was 15 not only did I not have any internet at all but I had an 11pm curfew.

kids are spoiled these days.

My parents were pretty lenient, but if I said I was going to be home by 11, I was home at 10:59! There's dual responsibility these days and kids just have way too much of a sense of entitlement. Stupid little kids >:

RoseArch:
Parents getting involved with their kids? In this day and age? What kind of backwater journalist are you. Ya hippie.

I know, the nerve o' this guy. They parents already busted their humps making the kids, now they gotta raise 'em too?
I don't know what kind of world we're living in anymore.

ph0b0s123:

Treblaine:

ph0b0s123:

Actually I think it would have been better to shut it down during those hours. Then older gamers would know what the younger owns were going through and might be a bit more vociferous in their objections to this law.

So, yeah thanks Microsoft for putting together technology to oppress a minority.

I don't want to hear any further stories about how far ahead S Korea are when it comes to technology, etc anymore. With this law they just took a step 100 year backwards and no amount of super new mobile devices etc will change that.

The thought of if I had had to grow up with that kind of law. I just don't want to think about it.

Yeah, 15 year olds can't do a lot of things:
-can't drive
-can't smoke
-can't vote
-cannot freely travel
-cannot go beyond 1st base
-Can't procure alcoholic beverages (though in US, even 20 years olds cannot do that).
-Can't see R-rated movies in theatres

And come on, this is ONLY AFTER MIDNIGHT and only in compliance with South Korean laws! Why is it so important that 14 and 15 year olds keep playing multiplayer games through to 1am and 2am? I understand the precedent is severe and this may just be the thin end of the wedge but online networks DO have a problem with minors and this is a step in the right direction.

I welcome any period where all the whiny foul mouthed zero-accountability little brats on Xbox Live are gone. You only have to hear a fraction of the vile trash talk and the cracking pitch of their voice that it is largely young teenage boys who are responsible. As an adult I am fed up that my pastime is not only filled with kids (for games that are rated 17/18+) but that they act so terribly, clearly with no discipline either from their parents nor self-discipline that (usually) comes with adulthood.

What is the point in winning a game if either way I have to deal with disgusting insults and griefers?

Now this may be a slippery slope towards excessive action but we are not there yet.

I am quite interested to see how many young Koreans will set their alarm for 5:30am to early rise to a new online gaming session?

The problem with the things they can't do that you quote is that they have never in living memory been allowed to do this. This is something they (and I when younger) have been able to do up until now that is being taken away. Also isn't xbox live more than just on-line games, doesn't it not being available also affect some off-line activities.

As far as them being gobsh1tes when on-line, that is a completely separate issue that should result in bans all the time, not just at certain times of day by a 'nanny state'. If Microsoft can work-out there is a person under 16 so their live connection should be turned off at certain times, why can't they also work out that that under 16 should not be playing an over 18 game.

Hey, World War 2 was in living memory.

Hell, in Living Memory not only did Xbox Live not exist, not only did any online gaming not exist but the internet itself did not exist!

I'm sorry but when I was 15 I was not allowed to stay up past midnight playing online computer games nor ANY games!

doesn't it not being available also affect some off-line activities.

The it's not clear if it completely prevents you logging in or if it works like temporarily downgrading you from Gold to Silver membership. CERTAINLY you can still play singleplayer games. I have literally just finished playing a 1v9 black ops match against AI Bot opponents without any internet connection at all, playing against THAT many bots without backup is quite an interesting challenge. I've put a lot of hours into red dead redemption as well.

It doesn't affect offline activities at all. Of course. Even if it did, simple work around is to disconnect from internet and change the system clock.

If Microsoft can work-out there is a person under 16 so their live connection should be turned off at certain times, why can't they also work out that that under 16 should not be playing an over 18 game.

Good point.

Possibly because in the US the games ratings have always been presented as "parental advice" and not laws. In the UK, PEGI that replaces BBFC ratings have also been downgraded from mandate to advice.

My proposed solution is long standing: Give us user policed servers, like on PC. You need a "sheriff in town" (admin) to police places like game servers, just like these forums need mods. Matchmaking on Xbox there is no accountability, or it is separated too much over time. Worst is how big developers for Xbox like Cliff Blezinsky have gone on the record encouraging trash talking... and he has not publicly retracted such statements.

Treblaine:
When I was 15 not only did I not have any internet at all but I had an 11pm curfew.

kids are spoiled these days.

When I was 15, my curfew was at 9pm

Kid are spoiled because they get anything they want just by asking. When I was 13, I was working for my money to buy anything I wanted.

With that money I paid for my school, supplies, clothes, bed, with anything else that I needed.

Kids today with some almost 18 don't know the value of money

Treblaine:
-snip-

Just because that been available for only a short amount of time, at least 10 years, does not mean it should not be questioned when it is taken away. People should question any liberty that is removed.

Your parents were more strict than mine, as at weekends I was allowed to play past midnight on weekends, when I turned 14. But since I grew up in mainland Europe and was going to pub's at that age past mid-night, it makes sense.

On-line is, unfortunately, so integral to most games today, it's removal does have a big impact. I think we should be more empathetic to the younger members of our community and be more outraged on their behalf, rather than throwing them under the bus just because some of us have had negative experiences with them.

Sounds fair. They have to get to school in the morning anyways.

However, I think this should be turned off on the weekend and when there are holidays.

Solid Reece:

Treblaine:
When I was 15 not only did I not have any internet at all but I had an 11pm curfew.

kids are spoiled these days.

When I was 15, my curfew was at 9pm

Kid are spoiled because they get anything they want just by asking. When I was 13, I was working for my money to buy anything I wanted.

With that money I paid for my school, supplies, clothes, bed, with anything else that I needed.

Kids today with some almost 18 don't know the value of money

*Adopts Mock Yorkshire accent*

Oh you had it lucky. When I was a lad I had to get up before I went to sleep, sweep the roads clean on my way to work and that was before I went to school, 7 days a week. And even then it took 36 hours to download one JPEG of Mariah Carey

"And you try to tell the young people of today that... and will they believe you!"

Okay, must have missed the stories about South Korea putting this law into effect (I'm sure that made some noise but I've been busy).

I don't see why there is a story here. South Korea creates a law, Microsoft and Sony follow that law. If you want to question the law, that's a good issue of discussion but just "they followed regulation" seems to be a bit bereft of content.

ph0b0s123:

Treblaine:
-snip-

Just because that been available for only a short amount of time, at least 10 years, does not mean it should not be questioned when it is taken away. People should question any liberty that is removed.

Your parents were more strict than mine, as at weekends I was allowed to play past midnight on weekends, when I turned 14. But since I grew up in mainland Europe and was going to pub's at that age past mid-night, it makes sense.

On-line is, unfortunately, so integral to most games today, it's removal does have a big impact. I think we should be more empathetic to the younger members of our community and be more outraged on their behalf, rather than throwing them under the bus just because some of us have had negative experiences with them.

That was just to address your "within living memory" argument.

"People should question any liberty that is removed."

Might be relevant if it affected people who have reached Ago of Majority. Buuut it's well established that 15 years old you are forbidden from so many things. Almost all the philosophy of personal liberty has been based around that people below the age of majority have totally different rights and responsibilities.

Also, this is not a ban on Xbox Live. This is a curfew. It's only 6 hours out of the day, at a time of the day when any 13-15 year old should be most likely asleep or is winding down to go to bed. Here is the thing. And yes, that is 13-15. You MUST be 13 or older to have an Xbox Live account, same with Steam. This has something to do with anti-paedophile laws or something. And this curfew - which is just for South Korea - is following the law of the land in a rather broad interpretation (it targeted PC based MMOs, but who knows if you that could cover Black Ops as well).

And from what I have seen on the internet... I am GLAD that circumstance meant I wasn't exposed to it till I was much older. This is for their own good. I REALLY think this measure should be followed. if you are 15 and it is midnight, maybe it's time to switch off. Kids need their sleep more than they realise, they have to do more than flip burgers the next day, they have to LEARN. My younger cousins (11 and 13 years old) are asking me about what games console they should get and I'm telling them a Wii, Gamecube, PS2, anything without major online. I told my Uncle plainly that they should NOT be allowed to play any online games, not yet. I'm also telling my uncle they don't need personal computers either nor private unfiltered internet access, definitely not.

i would upgrade my xbox account for a network where this would be in perma effect

Treblaine:

Solid Reece:

Treblaine:
When I was 15 not only did I not have any internet at all but I had an 11pm curfew.

kids are spoiled these days.

When I was 15, my curfew was at 9pm

Kid are spoiled because they get anything they want just by asking. When I was 13, I was working for my money to buy anything I wanted.

With that money I paid for my school, supplies, clothes, bed, with anything else that I needed.

Kids today with some almost 18 don't know the value of money

*Adopts Mock Yorkshire accent*

Oh you had it lucky. When I was a lad I had to get up before I went to sleep, sweep the roads clean on my way to work and that was before I went to school, 7 days a week. And even then it took 36 hours to download one JPEG of Mariah Carey

"And you try to tell the young people of today that... and will they believe you!"

I want to go to school for 7 days a week!

I wonder if Korea is aware of the fact that you're supposed to try to use widespread propaganda and PSAs to spread the message of proper sleeping and entertainment in moderation before deciding to flat-out regulate the shit out of everything.

They're jumping several steps here, and I doubt anyone will be pleased with the end result.

Andy Chalk:
You know what would stop him? Parents who tell their kids to turn it off and go to bed, and then make sure it happens. Crazy idea, I know, but maybe someone should give it a try.

I lived in Korea to tell you this: I've seen teenagers often go to internet cafe first thing in the morning instead of going to school. Maybe the parents should hold their hand and make sure they go to school? Besides, internet cafes are open 24 hours and easily accessible within 5 - 10 minutes of walk from home. What isn't to say that kids wont sneak out to game in middle of night? Government bans are way easier (and dare I say, better).

rofltehcat:
Sounds fair. They have to get to school in the morning anyways.

However, I think this should be turned off on the weekend and when there are holidays.

Korean kids have school on Saturdays. and there aren't many holidays where they take days off from school.

I feel bad for Microsoft, Sony, and other companies that had to bend over for this law.

These companies had to spend copious amounts of dollars, effort, and man-hours to conform to this law. They had to burden their network infrastructure and their customers across the world. Microsoft ran risk of having to shut down their network for ALL of their customers because of the Korean law.

And for what? Because the Korean government believed entertainment companies should be held liable for the irresponsibility of their customers?

This would be like if the US barred all restaurants from selling more than 30% of the daily calories in food to individual customers. The burden on the restaurant industry would be devastating, and it ultimately wouldn't stop people from overeating.

Andy Chalk:

You know what would stop him? Parents who tell their kids to turn it off and go to bed, and then make sure it happens. Crazy idea, I know, but maybe someone should give it a try.

Parents being expected to actually act like parents? Nah, why do your job as someone who decided to shoot out yet another kid into this planet when you can get your government to do it for you. I guess being a lazy, neglectful, waste of human life and STILL crapping out a dozen kids is a global problem.

mysecondlife:
Government bans are way easier (and dare I say, better).

So you support governments telling people how to run their lives? Hey Stalin, how's life?

It starts with kids under 16, but where does it go? Maybe it works and kids' grades do start going up. What's to stop them from seeing that gaming after midnight affects adult work productivity and making it a ban for the entire population? Then they start moving up the blackout time, so on and so forth till gaming is banned completely because it's viewed as a destructive force to the population and now they have solid evidence to back up that claim.

They payed for Xbox so they should get full service or it's discrimination based on age. It's a shame already that they ask for age when you get an account.

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