The Ultimate Star Trek Apartment Is Lost To Divorce

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Crono1973:

Mike Richards:

Crono1973:
Enterprise is best???
I am having a hard time reading that with a straight face, glad I wasn't drinking anything? As bad as Voyager was, it was better than Enterprise. The best Trek is DS9 but due to it's serialized nature, it's greatness wasn't seen until it hit DVD where people could watch the episodes back to back without commercials.

The most successful Trek was The Next Generation and the most hated was....you know the answer to that.

I'll be the first to admit the series just did not have good episode plots for the entire first two seasons. But season 3's Xindi arc brought the serialization back in a big way and continued it through season 4's smaller arcs, whereas DS9 took 4 seasons just to get to any of the good stuff it kept hinting at.

I appreciated it because in it's own odd way it felt much more believable then the other series. The tech was imperfect, the people simultaneously behaved both more like officers on this type of mission would and like normal people would, the ship and especially uniforms looked much more realistic, the early seasons do an alright job indicating that a lot of space is empty, and not everyone on the ship and off gets along in a big happy family of hugs and flowers. It felt closer to being a world then a hodgepodge of impractical ideologies.

Even then, there are a lot of other series that outclass everything the whole franchise has accomplished, so it's hardly like Enterprise is the best that could ever be done. It just comparatively edges the others out in the areas that matter to me.

DS9 had it's good episodes prior to season 4, mostly when they were teasing about the Dominion. When DS9 took off in season 4 though, it really took off. Enterprise may have been getting better but it just never hit the high that DS9 did.

Ya know, in my opinion.

You also have to take into account that DS9 never hit the lows that Enterprise did either. Early DS9 was boring at the worst, but early Enterprise was truly horrible. The first and second seasons were unbelievably bad. Enterprise did well in the third and fourth season, though it was never as entertaining as the best of TNG or DS9.

I was all set to feel bad for the guy; then I read this part:

his soon-to-be-ex-wife is the one who actually owns the apartment and has been paying the mortgage on it since they split almost 20 years ago.

So he built his opus magnum in what was basically somebody else's place. What did he expect to happen?

DrOswald:

Crono1973:

Mike Richards:

I'll be the first to admit the series just did not have good episode plots for the entire first two seasons. But season 3's Xindi arc brought the serialization back in a big way and continued it through season 4's smaller arcs, whereas DS9 took 4 seasons just to get to any of the good stuff it kept hinting at.

I appreciated it because in it's own odd way it felt much more believable then the other series. The tech was imperfect, the people simultaneously behaved both more like officers on this type of mission would and like normal people would, the ship and especially uniforms looked much more realistic, the early seasons do an alright job indicating that a lot of space is empty, and not everyone on the ship and off gets along in a big happy family of hugs and flowers. It felt closer to being a world then a hodgepodge of impractical ideologies.

Even then, there are a lot of other series that outclass everything the whole franchise has accomplished, so it's hardly like Enterprise is the best that could ever be done. It just comparatively edges the others out in the areas that matter to me.

DS9 had it's good episodes prior to season 4, mostly when they were teasing about the Dominion. When DS9 took off in season 4 though, it really took off. Enterprise may have been getting better but it just never hit the high that DS9 did.

Ya know, in my opinion.

You also have to take into account that DS9 never hit the lows that Enterprise did either. Early DS9 was boring at the worst, but early Enterprise was truly horrible. The first and second seasons were unbelievably bad. Enterprise did well in the third and fourth season, though it was never as entertaining as the best of TNG or DS9.

There's not much out there that is as entertaining as the best of TNG or DS9. The Inner Light is one of my all time favorite episodes of anything. DS9 had a first season episode called Duet that is also one of favorite episodes of anything. Voyager had that one special episode too, I believe it was called Living Witness and it was where the Doctor (at some point in the future) had to prove that the now defunct Voyager crew were not warlords.

Damn, I may have to sit down and watch that one tonight.

Crono1973:
Voyager had that one special episode too, I believe it was called Living Witness and it was where the Doctor (at some point in the future) had to prove that the now defunct Voyager crew were not warlords.

Damn, I may have to sit down and watch that one tonight.

Indeed a great episode. I still remember that eps. To bad the ending more or less retconnned that eps. I am probably one of the few people that enjoyed voyager a lot (it tried something different. The real problem i have is the absolute horrid ending they gave it (so many plotholes you could fly voyager through it).
Never could get into deep space 9 (gave up before it got really interesting.

Crono1973:
DS9 had it's good episodes prior to season 4, mostly when they were teasing about the Dominion. When DS9 took off in season 4 though, it really took off. Enterprise may have been getting better but it just never hit the high that DS9 did.

They always remained handicapped by having chosen such an overblown actor to play Sisko though. He never got rid of the ridiculous exageration when playing emotional angry moments.

I never got far in the Enterprise series. I just couldn't stand how overwhelmingly American everything was, the entire cast and the captain most of all. It was like they took everything that made the various Star Trek series great out, and replaced it with standard hollywood crap. And the cheaper budgets. I mean, Naussicans with leather jackets? One of the greatest parts of Star Trek was being able to watch it without seeing stuff that came straight out of a store, no badguys with motorcycle helmets to dehumanize them and so on. If they used any in the earlier series, I didn't notice it.

Blablahb:

Crono1973:
DS9 had it's good episodes prior to season 4, mostly when they were teasing about the Dominion. When DS9 took off in season 4 though, it really took off. Enterprise may have been getting better but it just never hit the high that DS9 did.

They always remained handicapped by having chosen such an overblown actor to play Sisko though. He never got rid of the ridiculous exageration when playing emotional angry moments.

I never got far in the Enterprise series. I just couldn't stand how overwhelmingly American everything was, the entire cast and the captain most of all. It was like they took everything that made the various Star Trek series great out, and replaced it with standard hollywood crap. And the cheaper budgets. I mean, Naussicans with leather jackets? One of the greatest parts of Star Trek was being able to watch it without seeing stuff that came straight out of a store, no badguys with motorcycle helmets to dehumanize them and so on. If they used any in the earlier series, I didn't notice it.

I actually like Avery Brooks acting style, though it was a rough through the first few seasons. I think he was still adjusting from theater acting to film\television acting. You see similar overblown performances from Patrick Stewart in his early film\television career. In my opinion, Avery Brooks did excellent about 4th season forward. In particular the episode "In the Pale Moonlight" and "For the Uniform" were especially well done.

As for Enterprise, why do you say it was too American? That doesn't make much sense to me. It was crap, especially for the first 2 seasons, and the crew was white trash, but I can't really say it was any more or less American than the rest of trek.

Blablahb:

Crono1973:
DS9 had it's good episodes prior to season 4, mostly when they were teasing about the Dominion. When DS9 took off in season 4 though, it really took off. Enterprise may have been getting better but it just never hit the high that DS9 did.

They always remained handicapped by having chosen such an overblown actor to play Sisko though. He never got rid of the ridiculous exageration when playing emotional angry moments.

I never got far in the Enterprise series. I just couldn't stand how overwhelmingly American everything was, the entire cast and the captain most of all. It was like they took everything that made the various Star Trek series great out, and replaced it with standard hollywood crap. And the cheaper budgets. I mean, Naussicans with leather jackets? One of the greatest parts of Star Trek was being able to watch it without seeing stuff that came straight out of a store, no badguys with motorcycle helmets to dehumanize them and so on. If they used any in the earlier series, I didn't notice it.

I liked Avery Brooks as Sisko. I loved his over the top speeches, Patrick Stewart had his share of over the top speeches too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmRhq7EYq2w

From about 3 minutes onward.

Yeah, the Captain and his dog was a little silly. Bringing the Ferengi in during the first season breaking canon established in TNG. In my mind, one of the main reasons Enterprise failed is because it looked back instead of forward. I know the JJ Abrams movies went back but that movie sold on action, not story.

Zachary Amaranth:

bdcjacko:

It is a pet peeve of mine when I hear or read someone saying marriage has tax breaks. Just saying.

Bookkeepers have no sense of humour.

No, that is an actuary you are thinking of. Accountants have a sense of humor. Did you hear about the constipated accountant? He worked it out with a pencil.

bdcjacko:

No, that is an actuary you are thinking of. Accountants have a sense of humor. Did you hear about the constipated accountant? He worked it out with a pencil.

Is that the sound of crickets chirping you hear? :p

Blablahb:
They always remained handicapped by having chosen such an overblown actor to play Sisko though. He never got rid of the ridiculous exageration when playing emotional angry moments.

I had trouble getting over the fact that he constantly sounded like Homer Simpson trying to disguise his voice.

this is a warning to all of you; do NOT get married. It has nothing to offer men a committed relationship already does.

People laugh at these warnings, but then they discover the horrors of being a man in divorce court

And marriage ruins something else. The sooner it's outlawed for everybody, the better. Marriage is imprisonment for the naive and idealistic.

General Vengeance:
I'd love to see what the bathroom looks like. You never get to see what the can looks like in any Star Trek series.

Your wish is my command!

Also it's been a while since I've had to really stretch my Trekie knowledge, but what class of starship is that in the diagram? It says USS Voyager, but that doesn't look like an Intrepid class. Too small, and the nacelles don't look right.

EDIT: On a half remembered hunch I googled Nova Class, and I was right. The name "USS Voyager" and the registration NCC-74656 (which is Voyager's registration)on the display threw me off. That's a pretty big nerd error for such a big project. You lose points man who turned his apartment into a Star Trek set.

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Tiger Sora:
Even the Jedi from Star Wars felt this one. I'm not a fan of Star Trek, but I can certainly appreciate the work this guy put into it. Real shame he's gona lose it, but I hope a Trek fan will buy it up.

It sounds like he's being forced to pull it all down before anyone is even allowed to look at it...
I don't get the impression his former wife even wants to consider trying to sell it as is.

Which is kind of silly, because I'm sure there's someone willing to pay well over the odds for a place like that...

RAKtheUndead:
And marriage ruins something else. The sooner it's outlawed for everybody, the better. Marriage is imprisonment for the naive and idealistic.

That's not the problem with marriage, the problem with marriage is the threat of divorce where the woman usually gets preferential treatment. It isn't marriage that is broken, it's the family courts.

I won't marry again under as long as the family courts are the way they are and I don't expect that they will change in my lifetime.

The Ultimate Star Trek Fan Who Didn't Pay His Mortgage For Almost 20 Years!!

No sympathy.

DrOswald:
As for Enterprise, why do you say it was too American? That doesn't make much sense to me. It was crap, especially for the first 2 seasons, and the crew was white trash, but I can't really say it was any more or less American than the rest of trek.

Basically the whole cast consisting of Americans, often with very present rural accents. Also the themes, the way of thinking, the activities like watching typical American television and such. The captain, Archer was it right?, was particularly unsufferable because he got so much attention. Earlier captains were cast to be various backgrounds of authority figures, good leaders struggling with dilemmas. Archer was just a ten-a-penny American hollywood action hero.

They also did that wrong in DS 9 at times. Like a whole episode being turned into a baseball sports movie (baseball not being big outside the US, let alone the future, let alone the future in outer space, among aliens) and a whole episode playing in a writing office dedicated to a huge predictable guilt trip about discrimination in the US in the 1930's.

But Enterprise really took that to extremes. It's really what made me stop watching that series.

Pandaman1911:

bibblles:

Viridian:
She waited until now?...

I sense a certain conniving bitch who needs to be ejected into space.

I kinda feel like we need to fire up the internet hate machine, track this bitch down and make sure the world knows this kind of bullshit is not acceptable. Seriously, this lady is a bitch.

A bitch who owns the place the guy was building his stuff in.

No. A bitch throwing away something that's probably worth more than the building itself. It is unacceptable, she should die.

And... cue star trek II's amazing grace rendition.

bibblles:

No. A bitch throwing away something that's probably worth more than the building itself. It is unacceptable, she should die.

The stuff in the building is his, he can auction/sell it off as he pleases. She owns the bricks and mortar so has every right to sell it. Thats no reason why she should die. Building this in a property you dont own is inherently risky... or stupid depending on your view.

tangoprime:
So I'm just going to make an educated guess, after checking out his website, and say he probably hasn't gotten laid in his own place since ~1994. Well... unless this kind of thing really does it for trek convention chicks. Speaking of which, where the hell is the bed, and/or any kind of personal entertainment besides 24/7 LARPing?

I'd wager that the view screen probably doubles as a television. I mean the guy has to watch trek right?

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