Court Documents Reveal Anime Licensing Costs

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Alterego-X:
For example, there is Haruhi. Everyone is praising it as one of the better dubs, but I just can't get the fact that Wendee Lee sounds like a WOMAN, and not like an ANIME GIRL.

Not to mention Wendee Lee is almost 52 years old, while she needs to voice a 17 year old girl. I guess it comes easier for Japanese women to act like girls. I have 'seen' a Japanese voice actor (around 23 years old) voicing a 5 year old girl quite successfully.

I agree about what you are saying. Some things/shows just can not be dubbed without losing a lot in the process.

4RM3D:

Not to mention Wendee Lee is almost 52 years old, while she needs to voice a 17 year old girl. I guess it comes easier for Japanese women to act like girls.

It isn't about race, it's about the quality of the voice actor and what sort of range they have. Last time I checked this man isn't a rabbit, but lord knows he sounds like one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWjVZoSABoY&list=FLV_4_xllsnWIbXWJAmDgqQQ&feature=mh_lolz

I'm also kind of shocked about Air Gear. I tried to watch a few episodes of that anime, and dear lord that was bad.

That is a lot of money.

Funimation is awful. Their dubs are shit and they modifiy the original show. I don't want that at all. I just want the original DVDs/BLU Ray with good subtitles. Don't even bother dubbing it because that costs money.

IMO Fansubs are superior, and it's sad that they are.

edit: Also, I can't believe anyone would pay money for Air Gear. It was a show about fanservice. The plot just flopped around and went nowhere.

All the more reason it should be based off whatever profit(like 60% after a profit is made) is made rather than an arbatarty up front price that just stagnates distribution.

AC10:
edit: Also, I can't believe anyone would pay money for Air Gear. It was a show about fanservice. The plot just flopped around and went nowhere.

A lot of shows are (just) about fanservice; some better than Air Gear, some worse than Air Gear and still all of them got licensed. *cough* Ikkitousen *cough* Quality is not a factor. Quality is subjective.

Some people had rather seen the money used for Air Gear to be put to better use. But that [logic] can be applied to every anime.

Jove:
Hell how much did Trigun, cowboy bebop, or Big O cost to make? Those shows didn't have many episodes either so I'm curious about them the most. (plus I love those shows too :D)

I imagine that Trigun wasn't that costly seeing as how everyone in Japan hated it, lol. I loved that show though.

Uuum F*ck you the guyver remake was awesome?

Personal opinion here, but Welcome to the NHK is worth every cent of those $240,000. I hope it does well in sales.

DanDeFool:
Holy shit! $780,000 for Air Gear? What a rip-off!

My thoughts exactly, I actually baught the fisrt 6 volumes because Oh Greats got such nice... der... erm, ARTWORK, but F that story. Inline Skaters using DBZ moves against each other, mechs and the military in an online tournament to the death IN CYBER SPACE should not have been that lame.

4RM3D:

AC10:
edit: Also, I can't believe anyone would pay money for Air Gear. It was a show about fanservice. The plot just flopped around and went nowhere.

A lot of shows are (just) about fanservice; some better than Air Gear, some worse than Air Gear and still all of them got licensed. *cough* Ikkitousen *cough* Quality is not a factor. Quality is subjective.

Some people had rather seen the money used for Air Gear to be put to better use. But that can be applied to every anime.

Guuurgh, please don't talk about Ikkitousen... I watched the first series out of curiousity... STILL UNCLEAN, THE RAPE WON'T COME OFF!!!

I had no idea Tokyo Majin was worth so much.

4RM3D:

Grey Carter:
Those of you who wait (and wait) for licensed anime

...and wait and wait and wait...

Grey Carter:
Taking over after Manga Entertainment began to sink into obscurity, ADV dominated the western anime market for nearly a decade.

Manga Entertainment is still quite alive in the UK and it is a big player for Europe.

Grey Carter:

  • Guyver 746,665

... seems a touch excessive, as does the $725,665 paid for the 2005's forgettable Guyver remake.

Forgettable? The original Guyver was pretty well known, at least among the 'Akira generation'. It was unfortunate the original series was never finished. But it was good they remade the series.
[nitpick]Also, $746,665 <> $725,665[/nitpick]

Grey Carter:

but I guess those terrible dubs don't produce themselves.

There, I fixed it for you!

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I can't be bothered to fuck around with the quote system, so in order:

Manga Entertainment isn't the powerhouse it once was, and it largely plays second fiddle to FUNimation. I'm pretty sure got out of the DVD distributing business, but I could be wrong.

I love the original Guyver series, I have it on VHS. The 2005 remake was terrible.

Well spotted, will fix.

What is with that picture they used for this and most other anime related news that ends up on the front page? It has really nothing to do with the article, and where is it even from?

Jove:
I never heard of any of these. How about some worth while animes like death note, code goess, bleach, etc, how much did those animes cost to make?

you've never heard of Guyver? or AH! My Goddess? really?! ..... o.o .... i don't know what to say to this .... get out more i guess ....

Grey Carter:

4RM3D:

Grey Carter:
Those of you who wait (and wait) for licensed anime

...and wait and wait and wait...

Grey Carter:
Taking over after Manga Entertainment began to sink into obscurity, ADV dominated the western anime market for nearly a decade.

Manga Entertainment is still quite alive in the UK and it is a big player for Europe.

Grey Carter:

  • Guyver 746,665

... seems a touch excessive, as does the $725,665 paid for the 2005's forgettable Guyver remake.

Forgettable? The original Guyver was pretty well known, at least among the 'Akira generation'. It was unfortunate the original series was never finished. But it was good they remade the series.
[nitpick]Also, $746,665 <> $725,665[/nitpick]

Grey Carter:

but I guess those terrible dubs don't produce themselves.

There, I fixed it for you!

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I can't be bothered to fuck around with the quote system, so in order:

Manga Entertainment isn't the powerhouse it once was, and it largely plays second fiddle to FUNimation. I'm pretty sure got out of the DVD distributing business, but I could be wrong.

I love the original Guyver series, I have it on VHS. The 2005 remake was terrible.

Well spotted, will fix.

>.> i must be weird, cause i like the 05 retelling, the original was good, but it wasn't long enough and left things kinda hanging in a worse way then the 05 version did

AC10:
That is a lot of money.

Funimation is awful. Their dubs are shit and they modifiy the original show. I don't want that at all. I just want the original DVDs/BLU Ray with good subtitles. Don't even bother dubbing it because that costs money.

IMO Fansubs are superior, and it's sad that they are.

edit: Also, I can't believe anyone would pay money for Air Gear. It was a show about fanservice. The plot just flopped around and went nowhere.

Yes, don't do something so you can completely alienate part of your audience, how dare you cater to peoples' wants!

Also, I think you're thinking of 4kids, as Funimation has a lot of really good dubs (personal favorite One Piece [god I can't stand waiting for them to get to Water 7 :(]) and they don't really modify the show from the original (from what I've seen anyway).

And I want the dubs, I love dubs and would gladly pay for them. I don't think one is superior over the other (but I prefer dubs) and see nothing wrong with them.

awsome117:

AC10:
That is a lot of money.

Funimation is awful. Their dubs are shit and they modifiy the original show. I don't want that at all. I just want the original DVDs/BLU Ray with good subtitles. Don't even bother dubbing it because that costs money.

IMO Fansubs are superior, and it's sad that they are.

edit: Also, I can't believe anyone would pay money for Air Gear. It was a show about fanservice. The plot just flopped around and went nowhere.

Yes, don't do something so you can completely alienate part of your audience, how dare you cater to peoples' wants!

Also, I think you're thinking of 4kids, as Funimation has a lot of really good dubs (personal favorite One Piece [god I can't stand waiting for them to get to Water 7 :(]) and they don't really modify the show from the original (from what I've seen anyway).

And I want the dubs, I love dubs and would gladly pay for them. I don't think one is superior over the other (but I prefer dubs) and see nothing wrong with them.

I don't watch many things Funimation does, but I know for certain Dragonball and Dragonball Z were edited on the network i saw them on. That last part is important because it could have been a network edit as opposed to a Funimation edit.

DBZ Also has famously horrible English Voices. You can like dubs if you want, that's cool. No skin off my back. I've seen some good ones. IMO (and this relies a lot on my personal experience) I've just found so many of them to be garbage in comparison to their native Japanese counterparts I don't even bother anymore.

My issue with that is, not being a fan of dubs, Anime's take years to release here as opposed to months as all the voice work needs to be re-done. It also adds an additional cost on the price of anime because of the cost of voice work. And i've seen some insane prices.

We had an anime store locally here that went out of business years ago, but holy shit if it wasn't price gouging. I'm talking $90 for a movie (yes a 90 minute movie), before tax. If removing dubs would drop that price, I'd be down.

But that's just me.

Kitsuna10060:

Jove:
I never heard of any of these. How about some worth while animes like death note, code goess, bleach, etc, how much did those animes cost to make?

you've never heard of Guyver? or AH! My Goddess? really?! ..... o.o .... i don't know what to say to this .... get out more i guess ....

Get out more? But...I have the Jim Sterling syndrome! If I go outside...I will...i will...

I dare not say. :(

DTWolfwood:
So am i the only one that wants to watch Dragon Half thanks to his Article? XD

So thats not a lot of money to get them licenses, at the least individually. No wonder y the majority of them have terrible terrible dubs. If thats the kind of money they spend on them, english VA must work for peanuts >.<

That's just for the license wolf wood.

chaosyoshimage:
Not all dubs are bad, these days most of them are pretty good actually. I don't think I could watch Baccano! in Japanese to be honest...

Perhaps. But the ones that are bad....

Are REALLY bad.

Jove:

Kitsuna10060:

Jove:
I never heard of any of these. How about some worth while animes like death note, code goess, bleach, etc, how much did those animes cost to make?

you've never heard of Guyver? or AH! My Goddess? really?! ..... o.o .... i don't know what to say to this .... get out more i guess ....

Get out more? But...I have the Jim Sterling syndrome! If I go outside...I will...i will...

I dare not say. :(

i recommend looking up Guyver, ether the old series or the 05 version, both cover the same ground but the 05 version dose explain a lot of the back story MUCH better. (the old series is like 12 eps long, while the 05 remake is 24)

Ah! My Goddess >.> well, you'd need to pretty much be of the same 'open mindedness' that's the reason we have Bronys.

as for the rest of the list, i won't comment, i've heard of a few of them, but that's it

anthony87:

chaosyoshimage:
Not all dubs are bad, these days most of them are pretty good actually. I don't think I could watch Baccano! in Japanese to be honest...

Perhaps. But the ones that are bad....

Are REALLY bad.

>.> .....

i ....

don't think even GOOD VO work could make that not suck, battle tops? really ....

anthony87:

chaosyoshimage:
Not all dubs are bad, these days most of them are pretty good actually. I don't think I could watch Baccano! in Japanese to be honest...

Perhaps. But the ones that are bad....

Are REALLY bad.

The sad part is that Nelvanna's merchandise selling dubs are actually way better than 4kids...

Kitsuna10060:

anthony87:

chaosyoshimage:
Not all dubs are bad, these days most of them are pretty good actually. I don't think I could watch Baccano! in Japanese to be honest...

Perhaps. But the ones that are bad....

Are REALLY bad.

>.> .....

i ....

don't think even GOOD VO work could make that not suck, battle tops? really ....

Not familiar with Beyblade no? I think it's been around for over a decade now. Think of it along the same lines as Yugioh, only spinning tops instead of cards.

chaosyoshimage:
Not all dubs are bad, these days most of them are pretty good actually. I don't think I could watch Baccano! in Japanese to be honest...

Personally I'm the opposite. I used to NOT have a problem with dubs. The change for me came when I got the Rurouni Kenshin box set back in high school. I watched it in english all the way through then one night I decided I wanted to see what the original Japanese and found I liked it much better. It got to the point where I just can't stand english versions of japanese dialogue (in most cases...the Ghost in the Shell series and Cowboy Bebop have superb dubs that I actually prefer the english over the japanese) because it seems to me that the original japanese voice actors are closer to how the characters are supposed to be represented and, believe it or not, but I think you get a better sense of the emotion in the lines despite the fact that I have no idea what they're saying without subtitles.

The most recent title to hold my "current favorite anime" title is Hellsing Ultimate. Started watching that in Japanese, absolutely loved it. Tried watching it in english and it made my ears bleed. Apparently years of taking the Japanese preference for the above mentioned reasons has tainted me...where I used to have absolutely nothing wrong with english dubs and laughed at the thought of watching anime in japanese, now I scorn the idea of watching anime in english.

Not much of an anime afficionado so could someone tell me if the quality of the anime series is proportional to cost in that list?

anthony87:

Kitsuna10060:

anthony87:

Perhaps. But the ones that are bad....

Are REALLY bad.

>.> .....

i ....

don't think even GOOD VO work could make that not suck, battle tops? really ....

Not familiar with Beyblade no? I think it's been around for over a decade now. Think of it along the same lines as Yugioh, only spinning tops instead of cards.

yugiho had 'hologram' monsters to got with said cards though, so calling out attacks made sense (sorta ...) i mean, come on, imagine MTG, with holographic monsters you could field, that's awesome sounding, more so if the monsters are to scale :D (like they tended to be in Yogiho)

combat tops ... >.> ... I'm sorry but what are they on exactly? and why hasn't it been canceled yet?

RJ 17:

chaosyoshimage:
Not all dubs are bad, these days most of them are pretty good actually. I don't think I could watch Baccano! in Japanese to be honest...

Personally I'm the opposite. I used to NOT have a problem with dubs. The change for me came when I got the Rurouni Kenshin box set back in high school. I watched it in english all the way through then one night I decided I wanted to see what the original Japanese and found I liked it much better. It got to the point where I just can't stand english versions of japanese dialogue (in most cases...the Ghost in the Shell series and Cowboy Bebop have superb dubs that I actually prefer the english over the japanese) because it seems to me that the original japanese voice actors are closer to how the characters are supposed to be represented and, believe it or not, but I think you get a better sense of the emotion in the lines despite the fact that I have no idea what they're saying without subtitles.

I'm the same way with Fullmetal Alchemist, I used to love the dub, but then I watched the Japanese version of Brotherhood while it aired. Now, while I do enjoy some of the dub VA's, they aren't as good as the Japanese version, but some of them are really wrong. Envy for example...

Irridium:
"UFO Ultramaiden Valkyrie"

Is this anime good? The name is amazing and I hope the anime itself is just as amazing as the name.

I don't think anything can live up to a title like that. I'll let live as an awesome mystery in my head.

AC10:

I don't watch many things Funimation does, but I know for certain Dragonball and Dragonball Z were edited on the network i saw them on. That last part is important because it could have been a network edit as opposed to a Funimation edit.

Well they usually were aired on CN and Nick so massive edits had to be made since the viewing audience were of a really young age. However, when they aren't aired on those networks they are unedited (Yu yu hakusho and One piece only being some examples).

AC10:

DBZ Also has famously horrible English Voices.

To be fair, we can't judge all dubs on DBZ's standards.

AC10:

You can like dubs if you want, that's cool. No skin off my back. I've seen some good ones. IMO (and this relies a lot on my personal experience) I've just found so many of them to be garbage in comparison to their native Japanese counterparts I don't even bother anymore.

I understand that as it's the opposite for me (well not really, as I don't find the original garbage).

AC10:

My issue with that is, not being a fan of dubs, Anime's take years to release here as opposed to months as all the voice work needs to be re-done. It also adds an additional cost on the price of anime because of the cost of voice work. And i've seen some insane prices.

We had an anime store locally here that went out of business years ago, but holy shit if it wasn't price gouging. I'm talking $90 for a movie (yes a 90 minute movie), before tax. If removing dubs would drop that price, I'd be down.

But that's just me.

In reality it's the same for them when a movie/show is released here and they have to do the same.

Ghengis John:

Grey Carter:

chaosyoshimage:
Not all dubs are bad, these days most of them are pretty good actually. I don't think I could watch Baccano! in Japanese to be honest...

The Japanese dub is excellent, particularly Isaac and Miria.

But let's be honest, the English dub was spectacular. The accents were well done and Brain Massey stole the show as Ladd Russo. I generally prefer subs. Naturally there's always the argument about seeing the original presentation as intended. I'm not so hardcore however that I refuse to give another actor a chance or to give credit where it's due. You don't go to a performance of Macbeth and boo the cast for not being the original director's picks do you? Characters in anime are just roles and I have found sometimes another actor handles the character better than the original. There are times when I do think the localizers earn their share of the take and that this was certainly one of them.

It's fair to say that some dubs are terrible. Many of them are. However some people are going to take issue because you seem to be saying that all dubs are terrible. When the Japanese fandom themselves will famously pay exorbitant amounts to import the English dub of "The Big O" because they think the dubbed cast is better that argument somehow falls flat.

It might not look like it but I do prefer subs (even with the direction this post seems to be taking). Couldn't dream of watching Bleach in English and Excel Saga's dub was a form of audio torture. There are a lot of hurdles involved in creating a dub from time constraints to translation gap. That said, I try to avoid making blanket statements and judge on a case by case basis. I'm not going to act like Brina Palencia was "terrible" in spice and wolf, because she wasn't, nor that Crispin Freeman was "terrible" as Alucard in Hellsing because he wasn't (they got that entire cast back together) nor that Steven Blum, the Jim Cummings of our day, did a "terrible" job as Spike Speigel in Cowboy Bebop because he didn't. Let's be fair, shall we?

Then again I guess everything boils down to personal taste. Especially comedy.

This was just such a wonderfully thought out and reasonable argument for why to give dubs a chance, it warmed my heart a little. I personally prefer dubs due to my habit of sewing or crafting while I watch things which is nearly impossible with subtitles but I don't hate subs. Subs are wonderful. But over the years I've grown to loath them a little not for what they are but for the blind ignorance of those people that only like them and refuse to listen to dubs ever because they are all "terrible". Thank you for not only being so logical a fan of subs but for forming such a nice argument for why dubs can be good.

Can someone explain to me why anime is so expensive? I mean in theory shouldn't dubbing be pretty cheap because you don't have to make the show just, translate and voice act? (and making changes when necessary.)

And this is why anime is starting to die in the US: no one wants to spend fortune to bring it over.

lazinesslord:
Can someone explain to me why anime is so expensive? I mean in theory shouldn't dubbing be pretty cheap because you don't have to make the show just, translate and voice act? (and making changes when necessary.)

You really have to blame Japan. They think this crap is worth way, WAY more than it actually is. Because of that it takes eons for the stuff to actually get over cause who wants to drop 3/4 of a million dollars on Airgear. (Thus fansubbing was born).

And there's sooooo much of it that is just garbage copy/paste slice of life that only the weaboo of weaboos are interested in. Even if you like that stuff, the volume of it that's produced is insane. Those people would probably just have subs anyway cause they subscribe to the "everything done in japan is better" mentality.

Then you have tons of stuff that isn't selling cause A. It's garbage and 2. It costs a fortune. Half the time a season of any show will go about $50. And it's not like there's many official avenues for people to watch these shows without buying DVDs, so no one wants to make that kind of gamble. We have to do that enough with games these days.

On top of all that, you have the cost of dubbing which gets... mixed results if I'm being generous and is almost universally terrible if I choose to be realistic.

After looking at this list made me realize something:

King of Bandits Jing was a bargin.

(I was probably the only person in America who gave a damn about that series, but still...)

I wouldn't even pay those prices in yen for those anime. Seems like some japanese company made a killing off of selling these.

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