10-Year-Old Accidentally Discovers New Explosive Molecule

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Matthew94:

samsonguy920:
Regardless if it was on accident or not, who is to say Clara doesn't revisit her discovery after she gets a PhD in Chemistry and discovers something even more awesome out of it?
Dismissing it all because she's 10 is a little pedantic and being closed minded. Her mind already had the motivation to actually follow through and ask her teacher if it was a legit molecule. She also had the good fortune to actually have a teacher who gives a care about his students and what he is teaching.
Far as I am concerned, the first compound made from that molecule should be named after both of them.

If they haven't found a use for it in about the 18 years (from now) it will take for her to get a PhD then I doubt it will be a very useful molecule.

I am unsure what your personal vendetta is on this matter, but I will point out that there is the possibility that many discoveries and uses can be made around a molecule or compound. I'm not saying it will take until then to discover them, I am saying that there is the possibility that she could find one more.

That is pretty cool =) I hope its useful for something, even if its small.

For those that now clearly hate this little girl (for, I dunno, accomplishing more than you will in life?) would you all say any of this to her face? Would you tell her how she didn't, in fact, discover anything and should get 0 credit for it?

Matthew94:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Matthew94:

Randomly

Instead of getting hit on the head with an apple, tasting your finger, letting orange go mouldy, serving someone wafer-thin potatoes or any of the other random ways Science is progressed?

Or would you class Gravity, Saccharin, Penicillin, or Crisps as not very exciting?

And those people all wrote papers/investigated uses of their discoveries.

Fleming didn't go, "I found an odd mould pattern, would you solve why this has happened please?" to another person, no, he took it upon himself to research it and helped save many people as a result.

He had the intelligence to actually use his discovery unlike this person.

...he wasn't a ten year old girl.

I repeat, ten year old fucking girl, not a grown up scientist. I assume then that at ten years old, if you'd discovered this molecule you would have synthesised it yourself because you're smart, "unlike this person"?

Oh sure... I blow stuff up in science and I get in trouble for it. She creates an entire new way to blow shit up and she gets a book about it. Life isn't fair. D:

Well when I came back on the escapist little did I think that I would have 19 messages of flaming hot anger.

Well, instead of replying individually to you all this should suffice.

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To those who question why I "care so much" (which I don't), I ask why did you care enough to jump to her defence when someone posted an opinion that you didn't agree with. It's not like I'm hurting her feeling or anything unless she regularly browses the escapist which is pretty unlikely.

Ghengis John:
Guys, guys, come on now. I think we can all agree, there's something seriously wrong with Matthew if he would bash a 10 year old girl.

I've read most of the comments since I've come back on the thread and most are either:

You jelly of her? or You're a big meanie!

or something along those lines but this one is worth replying to.

What makes children immune to criticism and also what makes the act of said criticism indicative of a mental disorder?

Matthew94:
...What makes children immune to criticism...

Nothing makes children immune to criticism.

The thing is, the child in this story did absolutely nothing that warrants criticism.

Seriously, what is there to criticize in this little girl? Would you go sit her in the corner and admonish her for having an age appropriate interest in chemistry and asking an instructor if the molecule she made up might actually exist?

The story headline is "10 Year Old Accidentally Discovers New Explosive Molecule".

The story itself explains nothing more or less than exactly that.

It's not giving the kid any undue credit, claiming them to be a genius or anything of the sort.

Meanwhile, you've gone a great deal out of your way to express your displeasure over this story and displeasure that others are considering this in an amusing or positive light.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but compared to the completely benign nature of the story, your initial response came off as irrationally volatile.

SuperTrainStationH:

Matthew94:
...What makes children immune to criticism...

Nothing makes children immune to criticism.

The thing is, the child in this story did absolutely nothing that warrants criticism.

Seriously, what is there to criticize in this little girl? Would you go sit her in the corner and admonish her for having an age appropriate interest in chemistry and asking an instructor if the molecule she made up might actually exist?

The story headline is "10 Year Old Accidentally Discovers New Explosive Molecule".

The story itself explains nothing more or less than exactly that.

It's not giving the kid any undue credit, claiming them to be a genius or anything of the sort.

Meanwhile, you've gone a great deal out of your way to express your displeasure over this story and displeasure that others are considering this in an amusing or positive light.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but compared to the completely benign nature of the story, your initial response came off as irrationally volatile.

"making the rest of us feel rather dumb in the process."

Not that I really mind that part but like many others, it refutes what you said about

"It's not giving the kid any undue credit, claiming them to be a genius or anything of the sort."

Many people including yourself seem to think I started off "Hostile".

Here is my first post

So did the child just put together a model for the craic or did she intentionally put it together with full knowledge of what she is doing.

If it's the former then I really don't care. If it's the latter then "Good for you".

People took real offense to this and I had to elaborate further perpetuating the myth that I'm somehow enraged by this.

Somehow not showing universal praise to her means I'm some sort of soulless husk, who smells and has no friends according to the users on this site. I don't believe I ever insulted her but the "high and mighty" users of this site took great pleasure in attacking me and in insulting me.

The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Matthew94:
So did the child just put together a model for the craic or did she intentionally put it together with full knowledge of what she is doing.

If it's the former then I really don't care. If it's the latter then "Good for you".

EDIT I was right

"But that's what happened when Clara Lazen, 10, randomly arranged a unique combination of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon atoms."

http://now.humboldt.edu/news/not-your-average-fifth-grade-assignment/

Randomly

It was pure chance and she isn't going to be the one researching its uses so well done little girl, you discovered something by accident and will have no involvement in making it useful.

You do realize many of the world changing scientific discoveries were accidental. Right?
You don't have to be a dick about it. At least the 5th graders are more interested in science now. Who knows maybe one of those kids will grow up and perfect fusion reactors, thus making space travel that much more feasible.

dubious_wolf:

Matthew94:
So did the child just put together a model for the craic or did she intentionally put it together with full knowledge of what she is doing.

If it's the former then I really don't care. If it's the latter then "Good for you".

EDIT I was right

"But that's what happened when Clara Lazen, 10, randomly arranged a unique combination of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon atoms."

http://now.humboldt.edu/news/not-your-average-fifth-grade-assignment/

Randomly

It was pure chance and she isn't going to be the one researching its uses so well done little girl, you discovered something by accident and will have no involvement in making it useful.

You do realize many of the world changing scientific discoveries were accidental. Right?
You don't have to be a dick about it. At least the 5th graders are more interested in science now. Who knows maybe one of those kids will grow up and perfect fusion reactors, thus making space travel that much more feasible.

Who knows maybe they will become a serial killer?

On the topic of accidental discoveries there is a clear difference between this and the likes of Fleming, I've posted a few times already about it.

dubious_wolf:

yeah saw that...
Dude the girl is ten. Professor Robert Zoellner and peers will be doing the heavy lifting on the R&D. It's still an accidental discovery.

It's a heart warming story about the youth of our country getting interested in science in a time when the United State's position in the world as a leader of scientific innovation is slipping. You are a troll.

Once again, she said "Is this real?" and that's heart warming. Really?.

Ah, calling me a troll when my opinion clashes with yours, stay classy. Notice how I haven't thrown insults but many of the users here including yourself have and you claim I'm the bad guy here?

Does it bother you that much that I'm not impressed by an accident that you have to insult a person stating an opinion?

People keep bringing up the fact she is a child, that's great but it doesn't give her a free pass in my eyes. If she is so interested in science as people here say then there plenty of chances for her to do impressive work in the future and if she does do something impressive then I'll have no issue praising her for it then but what she did here isn't very amazing in my eyes and thus I won't praise her.

Findlebob:
She may just be set for life depending on how usefull this new molecule is.

Exactly where are her thousands and thousands of dollars?!

Matthew94:

dubious_wolf:

yeah saw that...
Dude the girl is ten. Professor Robert Zoellner and peers will be doing the heavy lifting on the R&D. It's still an accidental discovery.

It's a heart warming story about the youth of our country getting interested in science in a time when the United State's position in the world as a leader of scientific innovation is slipping. You are a troll.

Once again, she said "Is this real?" and that's heart warming. Really?.

Ah, calling me a troll when my opinion clashes with yours, stay classy. Notice how I haven't thrown insults but many of the users here including yourself have and you claim I'm the bad guy here?

Does it bother you that much that I'm not impressed by an accident that you have to insult a person stating an opinion?

People keep bringing up the fact she is a child, that's great but it doesn't give her a free pass in my eyes. If she is so interested in science as people here say then there plenty of chances for her to do impressive work in the future and if she does do something impressive then I'll have no issue praising her for it then but what she did here isn't very amazing in my eyes and thus I won't praise her.

Your antipathy is bested only by your callousness. I'm impressed, truly.

I'm also impressed you've bothered to defend your position for the last 10 hours. Good going guy. After all most people would get tired and move on. But not you, you charismatic stallion.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go enjoy my HD Escapist videos. Because I have the social tact required to hold a job and contribute to The Escapist.

dubious_wolf:
I'm also impressed you've bothered to defend your position for the last 10 hours. Good going guy.

No, I was at my PC between 6:20PM until just after midnight replying as they came in whilst reading a book, notice how I haven't replied to much past mid page 3 and only started replying a few hours ago.

Boom goes the tetranitratoxycarbon.

It's estimated that there are 10^60 thermodynamically stable compounds. It's hardly a feat to find one.

Active Schizophrenic:

UnderGlass:

Matthew94:
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So this is where the Grinch comes after stealing Christmas from some Albanian orphans

That made my day. Never laughed harder on this board. thank you sir, I applaud you.

A pleasure to be of sevice :)

Matthew94:
Once again, she said "Is this real?" and that's heart warming. Really?.

Ah, calling me a troll when my opinion clashes with yours, stay classy. Notice how I haven't thrown insults but many of the users here including yourself have and you claim I'm the bad guy here?

Does it bother you that much that I'm not impressed by an accident that you have to insult a person stating an opinion?

People keep bringing up the fact she is a child, that's great but it doesn't give her a free pass in my eyes. If she is so interested in science as people here say then there plenty of chances for her to do impressive work in the future and if she does do something impressive then I'll have no issue praising her for it then but what she did here isn't very amazing in my eyes and thus I won't praise her.

Mm, was going to just post about the article that I read but I shall reply to you first since I have been following up on this conversation throughout the 5 pages.

This is an observation so it's not what I think of you- yet will state that I think the reason why so many people are getting offended by your posts is because of your way of writing. To them, this was a really cute story since a little girl got really into science and stumbled across a new molecule which is pretty hard to do despite how smart scientists are (and they're very smart, I envy them I admit.) Still, your opinion comes off as bashing in some way since you're saying the girl discovered it accidentally and it's no big deal so no one should care at all.

But I don't feel you meant that. All you were saying is that other people have done great things and to focus on just this girl who was playing around deserves no credit because the molecule she discovered may not even be important at all. As for me, I praise the girl.. just because it's exciting to know someone pulled it off at a young age. Even if she doesn't get credit or remembered for years on out... she will remember this and tell her friends/family/loved ones that she discovered something that big which scientists could use to help them and advance in technology. That is an accomplishment no matter what people make of it to be praised or shrugged off.

Not against you by any means, just stating out why you're being attacked by so many people for. Remember that people have emotions and if you brush them the wrong way, they shall get on you especially since they feel there's no need for you to get on this little girl like that. But, just an observation from me so yeah.

By the way, your sarcasm is another thing... I don't have an issue with it but doesn't help you dealing with Escapists who've quoted you. The 'stay classy' part is one of them. You don't even need to take my advise but just wanted to point that out... I care to much okay?

OT: Awesome! I'd throw her a party not because I think she deserves praise for finding out the new molecule but for helping us move onward with our technology or discoveries. I mean, if she was my daughter I think this would of earned her a free pass from taking the Finals in school haha. Or actually just throw her a party, that sounds best. The teacher she has is the main guest since he picked up on her accidental discovery so yeah all around party!! W00T W00T!!

Matthew94:
"But that's what happened when Clara Lazen, 10, randomly arranged a unique combination of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon atoms."

http://now.humboldt.edu/news/not-your-average-fifth-grade-assignment/

Waaghpowa:
Ok guys seriously. It's cool that a little kid discovered this, but it's unremarkable because it was totally random. The fact that she discovered it is not indicative of her intelligence because it was at random.

Your point is based on the assumption that a faculty press communications writer understands the technical meaning of the word "random" and is using it as such.

It's much more likely that the kid put together the model with a basic understanding of the valencies of the atoms she was working with. The only random aspect of it was that the molecule she built happened to be previously unknown to science. And I don't think you can fault her for that.

It's a very cool achievement for a ten year old, as demonstrated by the fact that no scientist had ever thought to arrange those atoms in that way.

Goes to show that there are still some new discovery left in this world that is not discovering a new animal species (it's still awesome but there had been more than one discovery now).
While that is awesome but I would think we may fear it in the future (the horror). Good thing this was discovered in theory unlike the discovery of gunpowder.

oktalist:
It's much more likely that the kid put together the model with a basic understanding of the valencies of the atoms she was working with. The only random aspect of it was that the molecule she built happened to be previously unknown to science. And I don't think you can fault her for that.

Unless it's proven that she was some sort of super genius, my assumption is that she simply won the lottery. An ordinary 10 year old miraculously discovers a new molecule? Sure it's an impressive accomplishment, but I'm not going to sit here and praise her superior intelligence that has yet to be determined. Unless proven otherwise, she lucked out.

It's possible that no scientist thought of such a thing simply because some people are trained to have a certain thought process. It's possible they didn't consider it because there was no logical reason to consider it. Then a little girl comes along, puts something together at random, and now they notice "hey, this is interesting!". Neither is indicative of intelligence or lack there of.

Edit: said atom when I meant molecule

Wow... talk about lucky.

Maybe I gotta try the "do something random" thing and see if I accidentally discover something new... just saying.

Matthew94:
So did the child just put together a model for the craic or did she intentionally put it together with full knowledge of what she is doing.

If it's the former then I really don't care. If it's the latter then "Good for you".

EDIT I was right

"But that's what happened when Clara Lazen, 10, randomly arranged a unique combination of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon atoms."

http://now.humboldt.edu/news/not-your-average-fifth-grade-assignment/

Randomly

It was pure chance and she isn't going to be the one researching its uses so well done little girl, you discovered something by accident and will have no involvement in making it useful.

Many things are discovered accidentally. Microwaves, Penicillin. Columbus fucked up finding India too, doesn't mean the achievement shouldn't be praised.

Quick! What's that's child's political affiliation and was she raised Catholic?! This is an election year!

*Laughs* Seriously though, children are proving more and more intelligent every generation. They have to... it's the only way all our mistakes will get fixed.

Damn, why are you guys still pissing on Mattew94? All he did was tell the people who seemed to think that this child is albert einstein reborn that she put together coloured balls on a stick and the teacher thought it might be a feasible compound. She did no chemistry or science, she made a sculpture and the teacher thought it might work. Not to say that she shouldn't have any mention ever, but she has shown no scientific ability by doing this.

Just goes to prove that nonsense to you may be pretty damn sweet to someone else.

Matthew94:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Matthew94:

He had the intelligence to actually use his discovery unlike this person.

She's 10.

Beethoven may have been publishing his sonatas around that age, but he wasn't taking them to the publishers himself.

And he understood that music theory, she just put molecules together randomly.

If you had 1000 monkeys on 1000 typewriters writing forever you eventually get the best novel of all time.

Does that make the monkey a literary genius or is just the result of probability taking it's course? No it is the latter and thus the monkey shouldn't be praised and neither should she.

Don't ever compare her to Beethoven.

Oh please, don't use the "monkeys type Shakespeare plays" spiel. That is just overused. For shame.

Meh, if the story with the headline "10-Year Old Accidentally Discovers New Explosive Molecule" doesn't end in said 10-Year Old's face being blackened, her hair singed and her eyebrows burnt right off, it ain't worth it.

Good for her and the teacher though.

Matthew94:
What makes children immune to criticism and also what makes the act of said criticism indicative of a mental disorder?

Much as I would love to reply completely honestly it seems I've been put on probation... resetting my offense clock which hadn't ticked in about 8 months. So let's not go for broke shall we? Not worth it. I could appeal but the moderators are all chummy so it's unlikely it would prove fruitful. I would hasten to add however, that the comment was a humorous attempt to end the bickering in the thread, which someone has misinterpreted. I actually felt all the attacks had run their course.

I shall answer your question however with questions of my own. So you admit you are criticizing the child. What action do you have to criticize the child for? Who said anything about a mental disorder?

Matthew94:
Who knows maybe they will become a serial killer?

Does that look like the argument a logical man would make? Don't be silly.

Waaghpowa:
Unless it's proven that she was some sort of super genius

Nobody said she was a super genius.

I'm gonna stick with "unless it's proven that she won the lottery, my assumption is that she simply used her moderately high intelligence to think of something quite cool", as that is the much more likely explanation.

An ordinary 10 year old miraculously discovers a new molecule?

Edit: said atom when I meant molecule

Nice edit. If anyone discovered a new atom, child or adult, that would be big news.

whiteshark12:
Damn, why are you guys still pissing on Mattew94? All he did was tell the people who seemed to think that this child is albert einstein reborn...

Nobody thinks that! What is with all the straw man arguments these days?

oktalist:

Waaghpowa:
Unless it's proven that she was some sort of super genius

Nobody said she was a super genius.

I'm gonna stick with "unless it's proven that she won the lottery, my assumption is that she simply used her moderately high intelligence to think of something quite cool", as that is the much more likely explanation.

This would be significantly more impressive if she WAS a genius is my point. The fact that it was simply by chance makes it less impressive and you can believe that she has an above average understanding, but the article makes no reference to her intelligence. So at this point, unless you can prove that she's smarter than average and consciously knew what she was building, the odds are that it was from random chance.

I'm basing my assumptions on what information is available, whereas you are basing yours on your opinion. Or feelings, consider how strongly people are reacting to this because a child is involved.

I'm treating this as I would any random occurring instance. "Good for you!" *Pat on the back*

wait. so it can store energy, AND explode?

so it's pretty much any power source from science fiction.

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