George Lucas Says Greedo Always Shot First

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George Lucas Says Greedo Always Shot First

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George Lucas says he didn't change a thing - Greedo, not Han Solo, always shot first, you just didn't notice.

It's no secret that Star Wars creator George Lucas has a powerful penchant for messing with his movies. One of the most obvious and egregious examples of his inability to leave things alone [and thereby make them worse] is the transformation of Han Solo, through one single, small action, from bad-ass space pirate to innocent practitioner of self-defense. And since that day, among a certain subset of sci-fi nerds who refuse to drink the Kool-Aid, the call has gone out: "Solo shot first!"

Except that according to Lucas, Solo didn't shoot first. Ever. Not even in the original 1977 release of the film. In fact, George claims that he didn't change anything at all, you just didn't see it right.

"The controversy over who shot first, Greedo or Han Solo, in Episode IV, what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer, but he actually isn't," he told the Hollywood Reporter.

"It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom," he said. "I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down."

George. George. I just rewatched that little bit of the cantina scene on YouTube and I can say with a good degree of confidence that the problem here is not one of perception. There is no confusion. Han Solo clearly, casually and without warning wasted some low-level scumbag enforcer who was giving him a hard time. You can't erase the Holiday Special from our memories, George, and you can't change the fact that Han Solo is a stone cold killer.

To paraphrase the man who played the man who pulled the trigger in Mos Eisley: "George, you can say this shit, but you sure as hell can't believe it."

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Just like I posted in the last news post about Star Wars, I think this is just as appropriate as it was back then:


George should just leave Star Wars alone, so those of us with love for the universe can still love the mangled pieces that are left unmolested.

As for the news itself, I have absolutely no idea what George is trying to accomplish with this. Is he trying to save face? Because that train has surely left several years ago and there's no chance in hell he'll ever catch it. Changing stuff is bad enough, but straight-out lying into our faces is just downright insulting. It's not like the changing part isn't insulting in the first place, but this is just taking it to another level. He's not going to win back any fans by this, quite the opposite, I think. Oh well, at least I still have my original copies, he'll never be able to take those away!

NOPE! Han shot first. End of story. Saying otherwise now won't get that idea to change, it's been meme'd to the end and back so too late.

Huh? I thoroughly remember Greedo shooting first. Let me find a clip...

Ah, here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Asjh-HjRE

Are we still paying attention to George Lucas?

This just in, George Lucas has NO RESPECT for the intelligence of his fans.

Guess what George: we just lost all respect for you, too. Go away now.

Yeah... I don't think so Lucas.

Though it actually kind of looks like Solo just exploded on Greedo. Heh.

He not only shot first there, he pulled and fired one what by all appearances was a totally unarmed man. Only saved through his powers with The Force that he didn't believe in very much.

88chaz88:
Huh? I thoroughly remember Greedo shooting first. Let me find a clip...

Ah, here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Asjh-HjRE

In the remastered versions Greedo shoots first... but in the original, Han shot first. Killing Greedo who hasnt done anything to anybody. Poor Greedo. Then George realised "Oh, the hero just murdered a guy for no reason. Should probably do something about that.", tampering with his own creation and such... however, his later tampering had less good intention behind it and thus lost all control of the Star Wars universe which now falls in the hands of the Star Wars fans who are creating some smashing games.

I'm really tired of the debate about this. Just enjoy whichever version of the film you prefer, people! Let George go off and do whatever he wants with his franchise.

Phew... for a while I thought George Lucas lost his touch after the first movies. Seems he never had it in the first place.

So George has actually resorted to lying? Wooooooow.

Kinguendo:

88chaz88:
Huh? I thoroughly remember Greedo shooting first. Let me find a clip...

Ah, here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Asjh-HjRE

In the remastered versions Greedo shoots first... but in the original, Han shot first. Killing Greedo who hasnt done anything to anybody. Poor Greedo. Then George realised "Oh, the hero just murdered a guy for no reason. Should probably do something about that.", tampering with his own creation and such... however, his later tampering had less good intention behind it and thus lost all control of the Star Wars universe which now falls in the hands of the Star Wars fans who are creating some smashing games.

It was a joke clip. You should probably have watched it before replying.

It's funny, I have the novelization of the movies. In that scene, no camera angles or special effects to worry about, somehow Greedo's shot was completely missed by the words, while the Cantina had a good laugh at the idiot that let his mark get his hands under the table.

Oh yes, the works of other authors holds no weight with Lucas, but I think even he would have to make an exception here. He wrote that book himself. So either he had a ghost writer (presumably fired before...um...well before I was born I guess) or he has some kind of long term memory issues.

Quite possibly both.

I'd bet on both.

It's funny, I have the novelization of the movies. In that scene, no camera angles or special effects to worry about, somehow Greedo's shot was completely missed by the words, while the Cantina had a good laugh at the idiot that let his mark get his hands under the table.

Oh yes, the works of other authors holds no weight with Lucas, but I think even he would have to make an exception here. He wrote that book himself. So either he had a ghost writer (presumably fired before...um...well before I was born I guess) or he has some kind of long term memory issues.

Quite possibly both.

I'd bet on both.

Frostbite3789:

Kinguendo:

88chaz88:
Huh? I thoroughly remember Greedo shooting first. Let me find a clip...

Ah, here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Asjh-HjRE

In the remastered versions Greedo shoots first... but in the original, Han shot first. Killing Greedo who hasnt done anything to anybody. Poor Greedo. Then George realised "Oh, the hero just murdered a guy for no reason. Should probably do something about that.", tampering with his own creation and such... however, his later tampering had less good intention behind it and thus lost all control of the Star Wars universe which now falls in the hands of the Star Wars fans who are creating some smashing games.

It was a joke clip. You should probably have watched it before replying.

... Why? I took him at his word.

Andy Chalk:
Except that according to Lucas, Solo didn't shoot first. Ever. Not even in the original 1977 release of the film.

Yup, because that's how physics works George.

Even though Lucas is right, he's wrong.

I fully believe that what he says is correct, that he originally filmed it with Greedo shooting first as we see in the special edition.

I also believe that one of the editors, likely Marcia Lucas looking at the other films she's edited, was smart enough to chop that bit out and so give us a Han Solo who isn't simply a caricature and has a bit of depth/edge to him.

So he's right. It was always his original intention, but it's wrong in that it's the movie we got, or that it was a worse one for not being clear about his intention.

Maybe instead of lying or being insane this is all a cheap marketing ploy to get his movies in the news again so people will be more aware of his movies being re-released in cinema.

Probably just a publicity stunt.

And he's a troll on some level:

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Not that we needed more verification that Lucas has gone senile and delusional, but there it is.

Kwil:
Even though Lucas is right, he's wrong.

I fully believe that what he says is correct, that he originally filmed it with Greedo shooting first as we see in the special edition.

I also believe that one of the editors, likely Marcia Lucas looking at the other films she's edited, was smart enough to chop that bit out and so give us a Han Solo who isn't simply a caricature and has a bit of depth/edge to him.

So he's right. It was always his original intention, but it's wrong in that it's the movie we got, or that it was a worse one for not being clear about his intention.

No he's not, the book makes it very clear what happened there.

Lucas:
The controversy over who shot first, Greedo or Han Solo, in Episode IV, what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer, but he actually isn't.

I can't agree with this statement, as far as I know (it's a while since I saw the movies) Greedo was pretty clearly going to try to kill Han, acting pre-emptively in self-defence may be morally dubious but I wouldn't go as far as to say that someone who did was a "cold-blooded killer". If I knew someone was out to kill me I wouldn't wait until they had shot to defend myself.

And apparently neither did you George.
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Shameful Lucas, shameful. You might as well be castrating Solo.

Are people still going on about this?

Christ, it's worse than the Firefly die-hards.

Move on.

Bullshit, George. Bullshit. What makes it even worse, is you KNOW Han shot first, you are just playing us, because you can. You have gone darkside, sir. Thats the only answer I can come up with, to explain your insane actions. :(

So either,

a) Han shot first because he's not a super nice guy

OR

b) Greedo is a terrible shot and Han can move faster than a laser blast from a near point blank.

Greedo's just too difficult for us. We're not treating him fairly because of that.

Amy shot first.

Or something like that.

Poor George. He has the same issue I have when I try to draw stuff. I say "that's good" for a little while, and then come back and figure I can sweeten this and that until I've irreprably mucked the whole thing up.

He seriously needs to let go of all his tweaks. Even if he meant to have Greedo shoot first, the scene didn't have it and no one cared if Han killed him. I don't know why he's so pained by the idea that Han wouldn't bat an eye at taking down a threat.

Doesn't matter who shot first. At the end of the day Han is just as good a character as the rest of the humans in the Star Wars movies. Terrible and completely unlikable.

Fucking hell George just take it like an adult. Everybody makes mistakes, even Jar Jar Binks level mistakes, but I've never seen anyone like George Lucas for ignoring the lessons from them. He got three chances to do a good prequel and blew all of them in exactly the same way despite having an ocean of criticism to learn from - not just from butthurt fans, who are easy to dismiss and justifiably so, but from the likes of Roger goddamned Ebert, real film critics who know how your movies could have been fixed.

Zhukov:
Are people still going on about this?

It's not "people", it's Lucas. He said this TODAY.

Uth laynuma. Chespo kutata kreesta krenko, nyakoska!

Richard Allen:

Kwil:
Even though Lucas is right, he's wrong.

I fully believe that what he says is correct, that he originally filmed it with Greedo shooting first as we see in the special edition.

I also believe that one of the editors, likely Marcia Lucas looking at the other films she's edited, was smart enough to chop that bit out and so give us a Han Solo who isn't simply a caricature and has a bit of depth/edge to him.

So he's right. It was always his original intention, but it's wrong in that it's the movie we got, or that it was a worse one for not being clear about his intention.

No he's not, the book makes it very clear what happened there.

What book? You mean the one written after the movie? By Alan Dean Foster? Based on the movie? Which speaks to what Lucas intended how, exactly?

I wonder if George Lucas is puzzled by how people no longer listen to him when it comes to Star Wars.

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