Gabe Newell Acknowledges Frustrations With Half-Life 3

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Gabe could have at least said that Valve wants to perfect the Source engine or advance it graphically (as with the HL1-HL2 transition) before starting anything like HL3.

By the time they could be done, the new Xbox and Playstation will be out.

Andy Chalk:
Think about that for a second. There are high school students today who weren't born when Half-Life hit the shelves.

Yeah... but any highschoolers who weren't born when the game came out skipped grades and shouldn't, by age bracket, be in highschool yet.

Alright, even though I would do quite a few things I wouldn't be proud of later in order to play Episode 3/HL3, and even though every fiber of my being is screaming at me not to type this, I'm on Gabe's side.

Step back for a second. Remember Modern Warfare? It came out of (arguably) nowhere and impressed us all. Now do you remember MW2 and MW3? I was a little depressed with MW2 and cripplingly disappointed with MW3. Why? The problem with releasing such a big, over-hyped game on a set schedule is that you yourself do not dictate when it's done. When you have no real control over the release date of your own game, you have a deadline. When you have a deadline, things get rushed. When things get rushed, things don't turn out well. There were things about the latter two games (which I won't mention here lest I pull the thread off-topic) that I certainly didn't like, and I known other gamers here share my peeves.

However, with HL2E1 & E2, aside from the brevity, there was nothing that turned me off of those games.

In short: Development cycles at the developer's pace yield better games. And frankly, if I'm going to play the last game in a series that has captivated me since I first picked it up, I want to be d*mn sure that my $60 is going towards something that completely satisfies me and completely wraps up the story (every loose end). Because if it doesn't, there will be ten times as many threads about how "Valve didn't satisfy their customers" and "Valve skimped out on finishing up the story" and (God forbid) "Valve rushed development and we got a half-baked conclusion".

[kicks soapbox over to the next person]

P.S. I love the beard. You look more grizzled, more aged, more world-weary. You physically look like you've heard "Where's Episode 3??" a million times.

Valve obviously value quality over quantity and they will not release Half Life 3 until the game is as ready as it can be. Good for them.

Just imagined what would happen if for example Activision owned the rights to the title. This is probably what we would get in about the same time we have had to wait for Half Life 3:

Half Life 2
Half Life 2 + DLC map release
Half Life Modern Something 1 (Half Life 2 with new weapon skins)
Half Life Modern Something 2
Half Life Now_we're_changing_the_title_again_so_that_people_wont_notice_the_lack_of_new_content
Half Life 2012
Half Life 3

I'd be happy and not surprised if they stated they'd never make HL3, just so they wouldn't disappoint the fans in any way. An unfinished work also has its charm.

TheNaut131:
big snip

And you have a point too. While I'd rather see the next chapter sooner rather than later, I don't really care when it hits. (as long as it's not too long from now)

You really should read that PA interview. Newell sometimes waffles on some of the questions asked, but he brings up some rather surprising and rather exciting topics. Like I said, their experimentation with biometric inputs and wearable computers. He also brings up some very good points about free-to-play and pricing models going forward into the fully digital age.

It's almost like...while the rest of the industry is starting to find uses for waggle-controllers and the Kinect, Valve's over there play-testing tech right out of an Asimov or Philip K Dick story.

I love you Valve but..

"We try to go as fast as we can and we try to pick the things that we think are going to be most valuable to our customers and if there's some magic way we can get more work done in a day then we'd love to hear about it

This is a bit of a d**k quote.

If this was a year or so after the release of Ep2 I wouldn't fault you for saying this.

It has been nearly ten years since the release of the last game and five since the release of the last episode.

This is no longer an excuse. It has become readily apparent that resources have been put into other games.

Andy Chalk:
@Andy

Stop trolling the audience and using sensationalism for views (i.e.: the title).

It's tacky.

Still? I mean, really? I'd love for people to move on. I can appreciate that so many PC gamers love the Half-Life series, but constant whining for a third one will more than likely result in an over-hyped game that doesn't come close to the nostalgic inner-creation the fans have been sitting on for the past how many years. It could be another DNF all over again.

"yes we know you want it"

oh, well glad that's gotten through! :}

Given the longevity of the Source Engine, I think it's safe to say that Valve has been working on a new engine for Half Life 3 for years now. They probably want to create something that will last another 10 years.

To assume that Half Life 3 is not somehow in the works would be foolish. There may not be a playable Half Life 3 yet, but I'm sure Valve hasn't been spending these 8 years not throwing around ideas, or working on a new engine to launch the game.

Be patient...... Half Life 2 was lame compared to the original anyway.. **runs away**

I would bet that it's Steam related upkeep that keeps them on the slowest developing schedule in the industry. However that income does give them the freedom to continue being incredibly user friendly with stuff like all the free TF2 updates (probably supported with the Mann Co. store now but that didn't exist for quite a while.)

I think I see the problem, Valve spread themselves WAYYYYYY too thin.

What a tosser, one of his excuses for not doing the game is because of all the beloved franchises? And then he lists a game that was done AFTER half life 2? (L4D) Get lost. No one's buying your bullshit.

You're not a victim of time, you're a failure of committments.

Just saying, but the Freshman class of this year (In America, at least) was born in 1996-7.

guys stop trying to rush them! its been only 5 years with out pretty much ANY announcement about continuing a well love franchise that ended on a FUCKING CLIFF HANGER. they just need more time, it worked out well for duke nukem didnt it /sarcasm

"We try to go as fast as we can and we try to pick the things that we think are going to be most valuable to our customers"

This is something that I have a problem with. It's less aimed at Valve and more at the industry in general. When the company chooses what they think is valuable without consulting the consumers you get really bad decisions. Perhaps they're not so bad for the company itself, but it sure does get the consumer's dander up.

Forced co-op, sequels nobody asked for, new series instead of finishing a storyline in another series, and so forth. Mega Man Legends has never been finished despite so many asking for it. Mother 3 in Japan only despite tens of thousands of people writing letters and calling up and emailing Nintendo. How about remaking or re-releasing SquareEnix games over and over instead of making something new? Or redesigning a female character to be nothing more than eye-candy to pull in more male gamers? Or retconning the hell out of an established storyline during many years of milking a title or franchise until the original no longer exists?

I'm sorry, it's just.. the industry has really been upsetting me the last 10 years or so, and I'm getting a bit tired of excuses. If a company doesn't like what its fans are saying, maybe they should stop trying to pull in new ones, cause the same thing'll keep happening.

This really been off topic, and I apologize for this.

DVS BSTrD:
"Tell Me Mr Newel if you can,
You have destroyed so much (time)
What is it exactly that you have created?
Can you name even one thing?
...
I thought not."

Honestly no one is asking for a sequel anymore.... we're asking for an entire new game. So much time has past it's just ridiculous.

Look..... the (everyone play half life on saturday) didn't work out, (I helped), so let's hit them where it hurts. Their wallets!

NO ONE BUYS A STEAM GAME UNTIL HALF LIFE 3 IS RELEASED! NOTHING! MAKE THEM LOSE BUSINESS TILL THEY DELIVER WHAT THEY PROMISED!

I might be reading into it too much by Gabe's words sound like they're truly just not working on HL3. They're working on whatever is next in their list of things to do which isn't Half life 3.
Valve isn't going to work on HL3 till they've exhausted everything else they think of. I truly think that for HL3 we actually need to do something about it. It's like a lazy kid who's sitting on his ass all day (absolutely no reference to Gabe there), he won't do anything till you make him.

Falsename:

Valve isn't going to work on HL3 till they've exhausted everything else they think of. I truly think that for HL3 we actually need to do something about it. It's like a lazy kid who's sitting on his ass all day (absolutely no reference to Gabe there), he won't do anything till you make him.

What you need to do is go and play another game and stop caring about Valve and HL3 or HL2E3 or whatever. Seriously. If Valve doesn't care about their core franchise, why should anyone else?

Akalabeth:

Falsename:

Valve isn't going to work on HL3 till they've exhausted everything else they think of. I truly think that for HL3 we actually need to do something about it. It's like a lazy kid who's sitting on his ass all day (absolutely no reference to Gabe there), he won't do anything till you make him.

What you need to do is go and play another game and stop caring about Valve and HL3 or HL2E3 or whatever. Seriously. If Valve doesn't care about their core franchise, why should anyone else?

Half life is a franchise a fair few people care about... just because Valve doesn't seem to care doesn't mean we automatically don't aswell.

And of course I play other games, I think everyone does. I don't care much about half life 2 (or 3) anymore, it's an old game. Still! The point stands.

Falsename:

Akalabeth:

Falsename:

Valve isn't going to work on HL3 till they've exhausted everything else they think of. I truly think that for HL3 we actually need to do something about it. It's like a lazy kid who's sitting on his ass all day (absolutely no reference to Gabe there), he won't do anything till you make him.

What you need to do is go and play another game and stop caring about Valve and HL3 or HL2E3 or whatever. Seriously. If Valve doesn't care about their core franchise, why should anyone else?

Half life is a franchise a fair few people care about... just because Valve doesn't seem to care doesn't mean we automatically don't aswell.

And of course I play other games, I think everyone does. I don't care much about half life 2 (or 3) anymore, it's an old game. Still! The point stands.

Yes but my point is that, your post of sorts is "we need to make valve care about this game again", correct me if I'm wrong. And my thoughts are why? Why do they deserve it? Sure, maybe you like a game so go and play the game that you like.

To me it's like a business, of sorts. We're the ones with the cash, we're the ones who ultimately pay these guys and feed their kids. Valve blew it, they failed to deliver on their own product. They shouldn't be coddled, they should be condemned. If you're in a business relationship with another party, and that party gives you 2/3rds of a product and decides to dick off and never deliver the third, then guess what, don't do business with them. Go and conduct your business elsewhere. And, do it not for the sake of the original product, but just for the sake of doing business with someone who can deliver and carry through on their promises on-time.

If Valve was an employee at a company, they'd be fricken fired. Ass kicked to the curb. Hell with 'em.

I remember reading an article a few years back, not long after Portal 1 had just come out, saying that Half-Life 3 would come out, and they didn't have any other projects planned. Half a decade later, I'm seeing many games from Valve. Maybe if the Half-Life games from 2 onwards had given any real story as to what the fuck was going on, most people wouldn't have much of a problem. But since the ending of 1, the games have become like Lost.

TomLikesGuitar:
Okay... so we have 2 choices here.

Either Valve releases Half Life 3 soon, and everyone complains that it's not awesome

or

Valve waits another 3 or 4 years and gives us an amazing sequel.

So pull your panties out of your asscrack and play something else you babies. Valve doesn't owe you jack shit, and gives us far more than any other company as far as service.

What can I play that is near the quality of a new half life game MW3? nope....portal 2? finished....team fortress 2? too many hats....I guess I will pack away my pc and xbox in a curboard for the next few years.

IckleMissMayhem:

Mygaffer:

IckleMissMayhem:
Half of me thinks they won't/don't want to do any more HL, but are afraid of the inevitable rabid fanboy backlash to make such a statement, hence the endless non-commital responses on the subject.

We are pretty much guaranteed to see more Half Life, publishers NEVER let hugely popular franchises die except in extreme circumstances, case in point the Watchmen prequels.

Its just a matter of when and I think its far enough into the future that it will still piss off core fans.

I don't think any game is "guaranteed" until it hits the shelves, but then I've a reputation for being ever so slightly cynical about some things, especially when it comes for games that haven't even been announced. Especially potential sequels or remakes that the deelopers seem really unhappy giving solid information about.

Basically, I'm not holding my breath.

I will bet you $100 we'll see Half-Life 3 by 2015, at least.

Mygaffer:

IckleMissMayhem:

Mygaffer:

We are pretty much guaranteed to see more Half Life, publishers NEVER let hugely popular franchises die except in extreme circumstances, case in point the Watchmen prequels.

Its just a matter of when and I think its far enough into the future that it will still piss off core fans.

I don't think any game is "guaranteed" until it hits the shelves, but then I've a reputation for being ever so slightly cynical about some things, especially when it comes for games that haven't even been announced. Especially potential sequels or remakes that the deelopers seem really unhappy giving solid information about.

Basically, I'm not holding my breath.

I will bet you $100 we'll see Half-Life 3 by 2015, at least.

You're on, Mr/Mrs Internet-person-I-probably-won't-ever-meet-or-be-tracked-down-by... Unless you work for valve, in which case, bet's off. I ain't losing imaginary funny money, thank you very much...

James Ennever:

TomLikesGuitar:
Okay... so we have 2 choices here.

Either Valve releases Half Life 3 soon, and everyone complains that it's not awesome

or

Valve waits another 3 or 4 years and gives us an amazing sequel.

So pull your panties out of your asscrack and play something else you babies. Valve doesn't owe you jack shit, and gives us far more than any other company as far as service.

What can I play that is near the quality of a new half life game MW3? nope....portal 2? finished....team fortress 2? too many hats....I guess I will pack away my pc and xbox in a curboard for the next few years.

Arkham Asylum/City, L.A. Noire, Sonic Generations, MW3/BF3/GoW3, Eve Online, Minecraft, Skyrim, Starcraft 2, Ass Creed, Random Sports Game, Red Dead Redemption, Old Bethesda games, Mass Effects, Rock Bands/ Guitar Hero's...

If none of those games interest you or you played them all then you're a fanboy/cynical fuck who needs to spend some time outside anyway...

You know, I'm beginning to think that they're deliberately avoiding Half-Life 3 because they're having too much fun with Team Fortress 2 and the like.

Let's think about this: the Half-Life series is pretty depressing and there's not a lot of levity or humour in it. It's kind of bleak. Now, Team Fortress 2 is bright and colourful and it has plenty of dark humour to go around. Sure, Half-Life is fun to play, much like Team Fortress 2, but Team Fortress 2 is fun to make. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like making those comics.

TomLikesGuitar:

James Ennever:

TomLikesGuitar:
Okay... so we have 2 choices here.

Either Valve releases Half Life 3 soon, and everyone complains that it's not awesome

or

Valve waits another 3 or 4 years and gives us an amazing sequel.

So pull your panties out of your asscrack and play something else you babies. Valve doesn't owe you jack shit, and gives us far more than any other company as far as service.

What can I play that is near the quality of a new half life game MW3? nope....portal 2? finished....team fortress 2? too many hats....I guess I will pack away my pc and xbox in a curboard for the next few years.

Arkham Asylum/City, L.A. Noire, Sonic Generations, MW3/BF3/GoW3, Eve Online, Minecraft, Skyrim, Starcraft 2, Ass Creed, Random Sports Game, Red Dead Redemption, Old Bethesda games, Mass Effects, Rock Bands/ Guitar Hero's...

If none of those games interest you or you played them all then you're a fanboy/cynical fuck who needs to spend some time outside anyway...

MW3? I could just watch transformers and get the same intellectual stimulation, EA sports (insert name here), are you retarded?.....

Skyrim and Minecraft are only worth getting once all the dlc and bugs are out...
Rock Bands/ Guitar Hero's... Do you piss mountain dew? Just asking
L.A. Noire, I will not get this until the developers are reinstated under a fair contract
Sonic Generations.............sonic, nuff said
Well I guess Batman AC is a possibility but online pass for cat woman?

Red Dead Redemption, Old Bethesda games, OK granted I LOVED these games but again beaten
Bioshock infinite looks promising though, and I buy every humble indie bundle. So I am not too cynical if I give untested developers a chance.

Hmmm, well I've suspected this for a while to be honest. I've never been a Half-Life fan but it's popular enough where it's impossible for me not to know something about it.

The problem with Half-Life is that it's gotten to the point where they really need to wrap up the story and have left people hanging. The thing is that throwing wierd stuff out there is easier than tying it all up in a satisfying manner. A lof of the stuff with G-man, not to mention the entire invasion scenario, makes tying it all up a bit of a chore, and I'd imagine part of the problem for Valve is that they have written themselves into a corner. I don't think getting a new writer would really help the situation much as they would face all the same problems as well as the issue of detachment from not having been part of the initial story.

What's more with the passage of time and other projects, it wouldn't surprise me that Valve kind of lost a lot of it's fire for the series without really planning to. They don't really have the energy that they had when they did the earlier installments.

Up until this point I think the issue was that people assumed it was in development (if it wasn't outright stated to be at some point) but probably never was more than an idea in the "we need to tie this up eventually" sense. Also as time goes on, it does become less and less likely they will be able to recapture the original magic.

I know it won't reassure people, but I kind of think people need to just give up on Half-Life. I'd hate to do it in the same place, but like a lot of video game series with promise, ranging from "Alternate Reality" to "Simon The Sorceror" it's probably going to be left hanging.

This is incidently also why I prefer games to be self-contained and not designed as part of series/franchises from the beginning. I don't mind sequels as long as they are self contained, which includes tying up their own loose ends so the story could potentially stop after each installment.

For the record I'd actually like to see Valve move away from shooters, ever since I heard about their cancelled Faerie RPG, I've wondered what they could do with a deeply statistical RPG experience. Of course to be honest I'd probably be disappointed as their depth usually comes in terms of physics, pacing, and visuals, more than mechanics or number crunching.

Draconalis:

Andy Chalk:
Think about that for a second. There are high school students today who weren't born when Half-Life hit the shelves.

Yeah... but any highschoolers who weren't born when the game came out skipped grades and shouldn't, by age bracket, be in highschool yet.

Oh, contrair, man with (possibly) no hair! It all depends on what school system you follow. For instance, in NSW, high school does in fact start at 13.

Personally, I at least take solace in the fact that they are at least thinking about it. We will get HL3. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday...

(I should really stop with the Simpsons references...)

Porygon-2000:

Oh, contrair, man with (possibly) no hair! It all depends on what school system you follow. For instance, in NSW, high school does in fact start at 13.

Assume NSW has the same rules about what the cut off date is for admittance, they would have had to be born before august 98 to be 13 and in highschool, and thus they still would have been born when the game came out.

The claim has to wait a year before it's true.

Draconalis:

Porygon-2000:

Oh, contrair, man with (possibly) no hair! It all depends on what school system you follow. For instance, in NSW, high school does in fact start at 13.

Assume NSW has the same rules about what the cut off date is for admittance, they would have had to be born before august 98 to be 13 and in highschool, and thus they still would have been born when the game came out.

The claim has to wait a year before it's true.

They don't. In Australia, the school year starts in January. Ergo, there are 14-year-olds in high school, right now (well, not right now, it's Saturday). My brother is one of them.

Boom. Australian-Logic-Shot.

James Ennever:
MW3? I could just watch transformers and get the same intellectual stimulation

Ah, I guess you don't like shooters. Clearly you are an intellectual. I presume that you will show this level of brilliance and lack of brutality in the mature way you present your arguments henceforth, and that you will indeed refrain from insul...

EA sports (insert name here), are you retarded?.....

I stand corrected. Well, it appears you don't like sports games either. And apparently those of us who do are retarded. You're not shaping up to be a closed minded gamer at all.

Skyrim and Minecraft are only worth getting once all the dlc and bugs are out...

You would like Minecraft you intellectual hipster, you.

Rock Bands/ Guitar Hero's... Do you piss mountain dew? Just asking

You really need to get laid ;). It'll take a lot of this unwarranted edge off.

But seriously, I love your arguments. It's just straight up "I DON'T LIKE IT CUZ ITS BAD AND IM TOO IGNORANT TO EVEN TRY TO ACCEPT NEW THINGS!"

Good stuff... good stuff.

L.A. Noire, I will not get this until the developers are reinstated under a fair contract

I respect this. If you weren't being a dick for no reason I'd say I respect you.

Sonic Generations.............sonic, nuff said

As someone who has been playing games since the beginnings of Sonic, I have to say that if you like old school Sonic, you should try Generations. If you don't like old school Sonic, then you suck.

Well I guess Batman AC is a possibility but online pass for cat woman?

The game is still good without her.

Red Dead Redemption, Old Bethesda games, OK granted I LOVED these games but again beaten
Bioshock infinite looks promising though, and I buy every humble indie bundle. So I am not too cynical if I give untested developers a chance.

I still think you are too cynical. Cynics are those people who don't give something a fair chance because of their preconceptions and insane expectations. The most cynical person in the world could buy every indie game ever, and he would just come to the conclusion that they all suck.

Let's be honest, the humble indie bundle isn't always the cream of the crop as far as games go... However, I feel like you are the type of gamer that would pass up something mainstream because it makes you feel superior. (Don't worry, a good 90% of the Escapist are gaming hipsters.) I can tell it makes you feel superior because of the ridiculously unnecessarily abrasive terminology you use the second those games come up.

tl;dr - You should play Bastion if you haven't yet. I feel like it's so non-mainstream that you might actually give it a chance.

TomLikesGuitar:

James Ennever:
MW3? I could just watch transformers and get the same intellectual stimulation

Ah, I guess you don't like shooters. Clearly you are an intellectual. I presume that you will show this level of brilliance and lack of brutality in the mature way you present your arguments henceforth, and that you will indeed refrain from insul...

EA sports (insert name here), are you retarded?.....

I stand corrected. Well, it appears you don't like sports games either. And apparently those of us who do are retarded. You're not shaping up to be a closed minded gamer at all.

Skyrim and Minecraft are only worth getting once all the dlc and bugs are out...

You would like Minecraft you intellectual hipster, you.

Rock Bands/ Guitar Hero's... Do you piss mountain dew? Just asking

You really need to get laid ;). It'll take a lot of this unwarranted edge off.

But seriously, I love your arguments. It's just straight up "I DON'T LIKE IT CUZ ITS BAD AND IM TOO IGNORANT TO EVEN TRY TO ACCEPT NEW THINGS!"

Good stuff... good stuff.

L.A. Noire, I will not get this until the developers are reinstated under a fair contract

I respect this. If you weren't being a dick for no reason I'd say I respect you.

Sonic Generations.............sonic, nuff said

As someone who has been playing games since the beginnings of Sonic, I have to say that if you like old school Sonic, you should try Generations. If you don't like old school Sonic, then you suck.

Well I guess Batman AC is a possibility but online pass for cat woman?

The game is still good without her.

Red Dead Redemption, Old Bethesda games, OK granted I LOVED these games but again beaten
Bioshock infinite looks promising though, and I buy every humble indie bundle. So I am not too cynical if I give untested developers a chance.

I still think you are too cynical. Cynics are those people who don't give something a fair chance because of their preconceptions and insane expectations. The most cynical person in the world could buy every indie game ever, and he would just come to the conclusion that they all suck.

Let's be honest, the humble indie bundle isn't always the cream of the crop as far as games go... However, I feel like you are the type of gamer that would pass up something mainstream because it makes you feel superior. (Don't worry, a good 90% of the Escapist are gaming hipsters.) I can tell it makes you feel superior because of the ridiculously unnecessarily abrasive terminology you use the second those games come up.

tl;dr - You should play Bastion if you haven't yet. I feel like it's so non-mainstream that you might actually give it a chance.

I like halo for the story and art, I know that makes me a hypocrite but.... I keep off the multiplayer and only in firefight...... plus bioshock and deus ex....

Plus considering that in COD you do not have to aim to get kill and all your kills are arabs, I feel better about my halo fetish. In short I like GOOD shooters that have some originality, and do not make me feel bad at shooting the father of three.
I liked bastion.. And I will admit liked guitar hero number 3, all the rest are to cash grabby though, And all the good songs are dlc.
No catwoman? No me simple plus it is just rude to hold a component of the game printed on the disk hostage. What if you live in an area where xbox live is to laggy like in the southern most pint of Australia? Then you are screwed.

TomLikesGuitar, I feel someone may have hit a nerve with how adamantly you pick apart James' message(s).

I myself see nothing remotely interesting about the Battlefield or Call of Duty/Modern Warefare games. It's less to do with being intellectual and more to do with my not liking twitch-shooters, lackluster single-player campaigns, and games that focus on multiplayer above single-player.. especially when the SP feels more like an afterthought. Gears of War, while interesting, is so hard to make out any of the action cause of the colour-schemes of rust, dirt, grey, and blood.

IE, just cause I don't like your game doesn't mean you need to list a buncha reasons why I'm wrong. Especially if I prefer singleplayer to multiplayer.

Anyways, I do actually have lots of games to play while I wait, which is one of the reasons I rarely say anything about HL3. Ironically, most of them are games older than the Xbox, or even HL2. I really need to go through my backlog..

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