BioWare Supports Beleaguered Writer

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KingHodor:
but maybe she did manage to overcome her Yaoi Fangirl Fantasies and write a decent homosexual character for Mass Effect 3. Well, I may never know, thanks to Origin and EA... the latter being, of course, the far biggest tumor in Biowares pancreas.

As has been mentioned in both the original article and several times in this thread she is in no way involved in Mass Effect 3.

Anders. That is all.

Joking aside though, she took the whole thing way too personally. I know they are personal attacks, but it's the internet, these people know nothing about her. Anybody on the internet can say whatever the hell they like and it's so anonymous and impersonal that it just shouldn't get to you. Fighting back the way she did was exactly what they wanted, it's like bullying.

Does anyone know if its possible to ignore Andy Chalk? The ignore button does nothing. His articles still pop up everywhere.

aftohsix:

KingHodor:
but maybe she did manage to overcome her Yaoi Fangirl Fantasies and write a decent homosexual character for Mass Effect 3. Well, I may never know, thanks to Origin and EA... the latter being, of course, the far biggest tumor in Biowares pancreas.

As has been mentioned in both the original article and several times in this thread she is in no way involved in Mass Effect 3.

She actually did a lot of writing to flesh out the background in the Mass Effect universe. She didnt write any of the characters but there are things in Mass Effect 2 that have a big, obvious Hamburger Helper stamp on them.

i'll be honest that fast forward button sounds fucking ace lol

I love certain games like the final fantasy series, i would love to go through them again for the story, but the gameplay is so loooooooooooong and dragged out its only fun the first few times..

Plus anyone who blames 1 person on the downfall of bioware is a absolute fucking tool

EA<< see that.. thats what you blame you tards.

Ray Muzyka:

"Jennifer is a valued, talented employee who has been with BioWare for many years and we hope will be with us for many more. It is awful that a few people have decided to make her a target for hate and threats, going so far as fabricating forum posts and attributing them to her, and singling her out for projects to which she has not contributed (i.e., Jennifer is not even a part of the Mass Effect writing team). All of us at BioWare support and will continue to support Jennifer fully, and are happy to see so many people out there are also supporting her during this difficult time."

There Smash. Where's your source? Calling her "Hamburger Hepler" shows which camp you belong to by the way.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

She actually did a lot of writing to flesh out the background in the Mass Effect universe.

That is simply untrue, you made that up.

Given that what most people complain about in Bioware games is the dumbing-down of gameplay, how is it the fault of a writer who only like to write, rather than game, that there's a problem with what Bioware is producing? That doesn't even make sense.

dogstile:
Wait, the mass effect thing wasn't her fault?

... Right, suppose if I was a more proactive person i'd go edit a few forum posts. Ah well, the more you know.

YES!
So it's not just me that feels a bit bad now!
Or... erm... Well, maybe being happy about it isn't right.

But then... She provoked the internet, on the internet. Root put it very nicely. she got bullied, 1000$ to anti-bullying charity thingy. Almost everybody wins!

Knight Templar:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

She actually did a lot of writing to flesh out the background in the Mass Effect universe.

That is simply untrue, you made that up.

I'll just highlight a different part of Ray's comment:

"Jennifer is a valued, talented employee who has been with BioWare for many years and we hope will be with us for many more. It is awful that a few people have decided to make her a target for hate and threats, going so far as fabricating forum posts and attributing them to her, and singling her out for projects to which she has not contributed (i.e., Jennifer is not even a part of the Mass Effect writing team). All of us at BioWare support and will continue to support Jennifer fully, and are happy to see so many people out there are also supporting her during this difficult time."

UnderGlass:

Soviet Heavy:
You seem to have missed the part where she fanned the flames by retorting to her detractors. Honestly, this is a situation where I just hate everyone involved. Responding to torrents of bile with the phrase "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either." is just asking for trouble.

Haha. That quote is made of pure awesome. I refuse to go and read this stuff having more stimulating things to do like scraping my callouses, so thanks for bringing that wee gem over here. Best laugh of the week.

haha even if i knew nothing more about her that makes her a hero to me shes awesome :D

aftohsix:
There Smash. Where's your source? Calling her "Hamburger Hepler" shows which camp you belong to by the way.

I cant remember, I read it somewhere on the Bioware forums, somebody who belonged to the staff there said it. I dunno, it doesnt really matter either way.

And yes, I belong to the camp that thinks Hamburger Helper is a bad writer with a fetish for Yaoi. The only sensible camp.

Knight Templar:

Flailing Escapist:
They call this bullying? *facepalm* Fucking really? I understand and support Bioware's decision even though I don't understand - can she not get a writing job somewhere else? I don't even. But insulting (over the internet even) someone is not bullying, dammit. Have you been bullied before? Cry me a river.

I have been the victim of bullying and I am also sure this harassment should count as bullying. This is the least of the hate I have seen directed her way.
Fake porn is the worst, would somebody creating fake porn of you, with a caption mocking your weight sent to your email or PM box be considered bullying?

Mocking you're weight, sure. Fake porn... Does it look real? If it's obviously fake I wouldn't give it two thoughts. Again I'm just pointing out that the name calling and the insults thrown her way are really just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to bullying.

"Hamburger Helper" because fat LOLOLOLOLOL.

I must be mistaken. You read it somewhere on the internet once. Is true.

The_root_of_all_evil:
You know what I wouldn't do?

Walk into the middle of the Harry Potter fandom and say "So, Harry Potter's gay then?"

Someone said something similar (except about Star Wars) in the original thread about all this hooplah, and it was ridiculous then. It's still ridiculous now.

Until this point, nobody can definitively say what Shepard is other than the guy/girl trying to stop Reapers. That's the only common thing between any one person's Shepard, since you know...you create your own. You choose if they get into a relationship. Hell, you chose whose loyalty you wanted in 2.

It's an inane detail that doesn't matter. The fact that people are throwing a huge shitfit over it blows my mind.

Then again these are the same people who threw a huge shitfit over the multiplayer, which is actually a lot of fun. So I guess I shouldn't expect much better.

"Boo hoo, they're adding more choice to my game, that doesn't affect me if I don't want it to! Waaaah!"

Twats calling other twats twats. What else is new?

Her comeback was an epic zing.

It's very hard to be under that kind of fire. As a former community manager for a MMORPG (not WoW or anything, but still a few thousands people's community) I can totally relate. Even if 1% complain, they do so a lot and it can give a feeling of helplessness and that nobody appreciates your work or just you. Before I was in that position I used to think that "who cares, do your job right and don't pay attention to them", but the fact is, you really can't. You have no other choice to take it personally and I wouldn't like to be in her shoes lately.

On the other hand, BioWare's writing HAS been going downhill since, well, always. They have this reputation of having good stories but they never did anything very good (for *stories* - their universes are pretty good and well thought out). Obsidian is better at writing stories. BioWare is always full of clichés and shortcuts. Didn't prevent me from playing DA:O almost 300 hours, ME:1 about 120 hours, and ME:2 more than 80 hours, mind you.

Instead of bashing one person these people should have just criticized BioWare as a whole, making a constructive argument - pointing out plot holes and such - like they did for that ME novel fiasco.

Okay, first of all Dragon Age 2 is, in my opinion, BioWare's worst game and it still has awesome writing with awesome characters. If she doesn't like playing games, I don't care, she's a writer and she's clearly still bringing her A game to the job.

Second - and I know she had nothing to do with Mass Effect, I'm just commenting on the other theme cropping up ocassionally in this thread - I'm sick of dumb macho space marines. I think a lot of people are. I am straight and male. I know what it's like to be straight and male. I play a straight female Shepard. If I played her male, I'd probably play him gay because BioWare are one of the only developers really giving me the option to tell stories differently. If there really is the ability to come out and deal with the consequences in ME3, that would be awesome. I'm not saying any of this would give me a real understanding of what it's like to be either female or gay, but it is an experience beyond my own and that's kinda what I play games for.

The internet wants her gone and oddly enough they are going about getting rid of her in the quickest way possible. When two people have strong opposing opinions, being reasonable and mature won't change either of their minds. I really don't care at the moment but I would say that it's odd that somebody that doesn't like video games works in the industry. Of course the forums of bio ware have also gone out of control too, with mods deleting even reasonable but still critical posts along with the mindless hatred. If there was a hierarchy in terms of the important aspects of gaming, game play would be greater than story otherwise your better off making an anime. I personally think that dragon age 2 was a horrible game and we would have been better off if it had never happened.

Ah, yes, I forgot to say this: I don't think that poor lady is a particularly (note the emphasis) good writer . She's no Terry Pratchet or R.R. Martin, but probably a much more decent one than most gaming writers.

Somebody has a similar position in the industry. I forgot her name, but she was Deus Ex 3's lead writer at Eidos Montreal. She only cares about the story, not the game, and I think that's what a decent writer should do - yes, even if writing for the game.

The story and the gameplay of a game are two different things. I'd go as far as saying they are somewhat disconnected. The story is an excuse to justify having people press buttons in a way that make sense; that is, play the game.

RedEyesBlackGamer:
As much as those people are fucking morons, he shouldn't have come out and said it. But yeah, it is cute that we want our community to be taken seriously when stuff like this is still happening.

I dont really see why she shouldnt have said it. Shes a writer. I know not all people like games, and I dont need them to. If she was in charge of gameplay on games and didnt like playing games, then we'd have a problem. But shes not. Tbh, I often feel like she does. If a game has a shit story, I often cba to play it. That said I can enjoy pure gameplay experiences too like binding of isaac or super meat boy.

People are just as the always are. Dumb. (for clarity, not referring to you, referring to the internet hate campaign).

Furism:
Ah, yes, I forgot to say this: I don't think that poor lady is a particularly (note the emphasis) good writer . She's no Terry Pratchet or R.R. Martin, but probably a much more decent one than most gaming writers.

Somebody has a similar position in the industry. I forgot her name, but she was Deus Ex 3's lead writer at Eidos Montreal. She only cares about the story, not the game, and I think that's what a decent writer should do - yes, even if writing for the game.

The story and the gameplay of a game are two different things. I'd go as far as saying they are somewhat disconnected. The story is an excuse to justify having people press buttons in a way that make sense; that is, play the game.

I'm finding it difficult to imagine a truly good game that has had a story slapped on when it's built around game play or visa versa, rather than built with one aim in mind.

And people on the internet continue to renforce the negative stereotypes out there by doing this crap. Anyone who attacked this lady is indeed an effin moron. Crap like this is why even with awesome things like the SOPA/PIPA protests the internet is still seen as a place for basement dwelling nerds and creepy people.

I like games but I like a good story too. I'd rather skip all the gameplay and just watch the story of Star Wars Old Republic. I used to play 5 MMO games at a time but one day I realized that grinding sucks. It sucks a lot. I hate it so much. Then I never played the games again except with friends. Even if she doesn't like playing the games she still appreciates the story telling medium games provide.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

aftohsix:
There Smash. Where's your source? Calling her "Hamburger Hepler" shows which camp you belong to by the way.

I cant remember, I read it somewhere on the Bioware forums, somebody who belonged to the staff there said it. I dunno, it doesnt really matter either way.

And yes, I belong to the camp that thinks Hamburger Helper is a bad writer with a fetish for Yaoi. The only sensible camp.

So the fact that a large part of your argument is completely false doesn't matter? /facepalm

Yup effin morons alright.

I.Muir:

I'm finding it difficult to imagine a truly good game that has had a story slapped on when it's built around game play or visa versa, rather than built with one aim in mind.

Well for example Fallout worked perfectly in 2D/Tactical and works perfectly in FPS. The stories differ, obviously, but they are interchangeable, as is the gameplay of these games. You could use Fallout New Vegas' story in 2D, and Fallout 2's story in FPS.

Do note I said "somewhat" disconnected, not completely, though :)

Bigeyez:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

aftohsix:
There Smash. Where's your source? Calling her "Hamburger Hepler" shows which camp you belong to by the way.

I cant remember, I read it somewhere on the Bioware forums, somebody who belonged to the staff there said it. I dunno, it doesnt really matter either way.

And yes, I belong to the camp that thinks Hamburger Helper is a bad writer with a fetish for Yaoi. The only sensible camp.

So the fact that a large part of your argument is completely false doesn't matter? /facepalm

Yup effin morons alright.

I dont know if it matters. What am I even arguing? Im not making any point really. So yeah, tell me what exactly my argument is and what I am rooting for and I can tell you if it matters.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

I dont know if it matters. What am I even arguing? Im not making any point really. So yeah, tell me what exactly my argument is and what I am rooting for and I can tell you if it matters.

Pretty sure that when you don't know what your argument is anymore it's a sign you should stop posting in a thread.

Good to hear that Bioware is standing up for Jennifer Hepler.

I sent her a message of support (via a second party, to avoid the huge piles of unwarranted hatred) that I hope helps her realize that she has supporters.

I mean, she's a fucking awesome writer. The Dwarven plot from DA:O - that's all I need to say on the matter.

Bigeyez:
And people on the internet continue to renforce the negative stereotypes out there by doing this crap. Anyone who attacked this lady is indeed an effin moron. Crap like this is why even with awesome things like the SOPA/PIPA protests the internet is still seen as a place for basement dwelling nerds and creepy people.

Basement dwelling neck beard virgin is the insult of choice against anybody who is a regular on anything but facebook on the internet. A pity the acts of a few people has tainted the reputation of anybody with a reasonable argument. However the people trying to implement schemes like SOPA are rich plotters or people that held that opinion or some other negative opinion of the internet before they began and won't give that opinion until they die. Seeing as how I've yet to see any evidence of people in the world being reasonable and winning I'm going to say that the Jimquisition was right about this one and there's a growing mountain of evidence of people that won by being stupid. If SOPA wins it will join that mountain of evidence. Stupidity is a funny thing, no matter the quality of education or the intellect everybody is just as capable of being as stupid as everyone else.

Brad Shepard:

Andronicus:
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I have my own opinion, so i must be a troll, classy.

I apologise for calling you a troll. However, my analysis still stands. You did not word your original statement clearly enough, and it appears misinformed and disrespectful, which I wanted to point out. You are most certainly entitled to your own opinion, but you should do your best to make it clear when explaining it, otherwise people are not going to take you seriously.

beniki:
But I thought that peoples beef with her was that she didn't like video games, and yet wrote stories for them.

Again, that's not relevant. It doesn't matter what the "beef" is. Disagreeing with her views on the function of gameplay is NOT a license to being a campaign of harassment and abuse. It's just that simple, yet it's a point that a lot of people seem to be missing.

Furism:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

I dont know if it matters. What am I even arguing? Im not making any point really. So yeah, tell me what exactly my argument is and what I am rooting for and I can tell you if it matters.

Pretty sure that when you don't know what your argument is anymore it's a sign you should stop posting in a thread.

So, every post made on this forum needs to have an obligatory point and end in a massive argument? I dunno man. I said HH did some writing for Mass Effect, still not sure if thats true or if I am remembering something wrong. Thats it. There is no argument. There is no point. Looking for one anyway is a sign that you need to learn how to interpret posts properly.

Andy Chalk:

beniki:
But I thought that peoples beef with her was that she didn't like video games, and yet wrote stories for them.

Again, that's not relevant. It doesn't matter what the "beef" is. Disagreeing with her views on the function of gameplay is NOT a license to being a campaign of harassment and abuse. It's just that simple, yet it's a point that a lot of people seem to be missing.

Andy, what exactly is your job here? I have been wondering this for a while now. Are you meant to report gaming related news in a matter of fact fashion or is this page just an excuse for you to spam a large audience with your own personal (and frankly irrelevant) views? Thats what the comment section is for, not the actual news article.

Im sorry, I just think its rather funny to see you talking about what is and isnt relevant.

(And if the news section of this site is indeed just a place where the people who write the articles do so ignoring a proper, matter of fact approach, then sorry, and continue on. If that is the case I will just stop visiting that section of the site altogether in the future.)

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
She actually did a lot of writing to flesh out the background in the Mass Effect universe. She didnt write any of the characters but there are things in Mass Effect 2 that have a big, obvious Hamburger Helper stamp on them.

So she's not credited in Mass Effect, Ray Muzyka says she didn't work in Mass Effect but you see some imaginary "stamp" and that makes you the speaker of truth?

You're going to have to do a little better than that.

And to answer your previous question, yes, there is a way to ignore my posts and I will enjoy imagining your struggles to figure it out.

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