Sony: Why we Nixed the UMD Transfer System

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Sony: Why we Nixed the UMD Transfer System

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Apparently there's insufficient demand for the UMD transfer service outside of Japan.

Earlier in the month, Sony announced that its UMD transfer service, which allows Vita owners to transfer UMD-based PSP games to their new handheld in exchange for a small fee, would be restricted to Japan. Angry hooting ensued.

Today, in an interview with Wired, Sony World Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida said that there simply isn't enough demand to make bringing the service to the west worthwhile.

"The system has been introduced in Japan, where there is a much larger demand for PSP games," he explained.

"When you look at the release schedule of new titles there are still lots of PSP games being released in Japan and being announced for release. Lots of people who are interested in trying Vita are also interested in playing PSP games that they might purchase before Vita comes out, and will not necessarily choose the digital version. So there is a lot more demand... to introduce a program like that."

While backwards compatability is important during a console launch, when the game lineup is at its weakest, it does become less important as the system matures. The (relatively) small subset of gamers for whom backwards compatibility is a sticking point doesn't justify the cost of the program. Acquiring the correct licensing for all the various western territories would cost Sony a small fortune.

Yoshida went on to argue that UMD games are cheaper in Europe and the US than they are in Japan, meaning western gamers are more likely to just rebuy the games rather than use the transfer service.

"When you compare that to the price of games here, PSP games in Japan are sold at a much higher price, so people see the value in spending the $5 to $10 to get the digital copy," he said. "But when the games are already sold at a lower price in the U.S. we see less value in introducing that kind of system."

When asked why the transfer system charges Japanese customers to download copies of games they already own, the answer was simple, money.

"There are many, many games that are sold at an affordable price," he said. "Because people in Japan are not getting the digital copy for free, because it costs us money to develop and maintain the system so we are asking people to pay somewhere between $5 and $10 to receive the digital copy in addition to what they have on the UMD."

Source: Wired

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Like I said before: If the Vita fails in America...

DVS BSTrD:
it won't be the Smart phone that killed it.
It will be Sony itself.

I guess that's one more reason why people wont ever buy one. I think they've given up on it and are trying to cut their losses by forcing people to buy the games again.

So what I'm getting here is that the UMD transfer exists for Sony's benefit, to milk more money out of users for games they already bought; and they don't think they'll make enough on it in the US or Europe to make it worth Sony's effort.

I actually don't mind the first part, but the second bit is really annoying. "Oh well, it's not worth OUR effort even if you were a loyal PSP customer."

This is why I'm glad that I don't buy things.

And this is why I buy used.

well doesn't the VITA have some psp games to download digitally?

They have over 200 games on that list? They are missing final fantasy VII:crisis core,MGS portal ops and peacewalker and kingdom hearts:birth by sleep maybe those games could have digitally version for American/European VITAs owners to buy

That's fine Sony, I just wont be buying a VITA. I don't like the prospect of being asked to pay again to play games I already own on a different console to begin with and PSPs are easy to come by even if mine happens to stop working.

So your argument is you don't want to support a feature for a console that's having trouble selling, because you can't make money off the system as well as you would in Japan, even if it ends up fucking over the sales of your console outside of Japan? Genius!

Well at least they were finally straight up about the whole deal. It is a business and it does eventually come down to money for them. Nothing wrong with that, but good luck getting many people outside of Japan to buy the Vita.

You know, I used to be really hyped for the Vita, that hype died down with stupid Sony decision after decision, now I just pity it

DVS BSTrD:
Like I said before: If the Vita fails in America...

DVS BSTrD:
it won't be the Smart phone that killed it.
It will be Sony itself.

off to a fine start aren't they, if i wanted one before (hint: didn't) this would defiantly killed any interest.

said it before, and I'll say it again.

I.WILL.NOT.BUY.A.GAME.I.ALREADY.OWN.AGAIN.JUST.BECAUSE.YOU.THINK.YOU.NEED.MORE.MONEY

and that's really all i have to say about that :)

Good thing I didn't own a PSP or I'd be pissed!

I bit and ordered a Vita today. A stupid choice, no doubt, but I couldn't resist. The dual analogs and shininess beckoned.

ForgottenPr0digy:
well doesn't the VITA have some psp games to download digitally?

They have over 200 games on that list? They are missing final fantasy VII:crisis core,MGS portal ops and peacewalker and kingdom hearts:birth by sleep maybe those games could have digitally version for American/European VITAs owners to buy

chances are, if you already have a PSP, you already bought those games, which you will have to re-buy if you want the Vita.

Sure, if you bought them digitally, there isn't much of a problem, but Sony is basically saying "if you bought it physically, screw you!"

one of the main reasons I think Nintendo should be the only one to do handheld games, since they let you play older games on newer systems.

So, a cheaper way to get PSP games onto the Vita is being denied. Okay sony, you have the right to do that, but you're giving me a dillema.

1. There's a game coming out later this year in japan for PSP that might never reach down here in Australia or even America, so I'll have to buy the japanese language version.
2. I want the vita, but to afford it I may have to trade in my PSP for it.
3. Japanese language games are not sold on the Playstation network. (Edit: in Australia)
4. If I trade in my PSP I won't be able to play the game I want.

And so, I might not be able to buy Vita until I have finished the game, which is probably not even coming out until much later this year, and not even in my own language.

Sony, why do you hate me?

Grey Carter:
Sony: Why we Nixed the UMD Transfer System

"When you compare that to the price of games here, PSP games in Japan are sold at a much higher price, so people see the value in spending the $5 to $10 to get the digital copy," he said. "But when the games are already sold at a lower price in the U.S. we see less value in introducing that kind of system."

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When you show a blatant lack of respect for your customers in the U.S., we see less value in continuing to support you financially. It seems like Mr. Yoshida just doesn't understand that we don't like the idea of re-buying games we already own, and that there's always the option of giving up on Sony. I don't believe that the PSP didn't thrive because it was lousy hardware (for the most part it's not), it was because Sony took every good long-term business decision for it and did the opposite. With that kind of past performance, the fact that they're not bending over backwards to show us "baby, come back to me! I can change!" is a rather telling sign in & of itself.

I'm just gonna pass on this system then ... So far I've barely seen a good selection of games for the regular PSP and this thing's not getting the best publicity on earth.

I find it hilariously amusing that everybody in this thread admits to one of the following.

1. Never having owned a PSP
2. Never owning a UMD or
3. Never wanting a PSV in the first place.

Why are you even here? If you fit into any of the three categories above, your opinion on the matter is moot. I'll be picking up my PSV tomorrow and I will enjoy the hell out of it. Just like I have enjoyed my PSP for all these years.

Oh and guess what? These several dozen UMDs I own? Know what I'm gonna do with them? I'll just play them on my PSP when I feel like playing them. Because you know why? I have a god damn brain and don't throw a bitch fit over backwards compatibility.

ZexionSephiroth:

3. Japanese language games are not sold on the Playstation network. (Edit: in Australia)

Problem is easily solved by signing up to the Japanese PSN. Or whatever they call it now. I've been a member for years and have been DLing my games digitally from there for a long time now. Just be warned that you can only attach a single PSN account to a single Vita at this point in time.
If you don't mind my asking, which game are you looking forward to? I just ordered Tales of Innocence and am eagerly awaiting it's arrival.

I'm just gonna say it again. Fuck sony, and all the bullshit they pull.
They are slowly removing any customer consideration they ever provided, and ultimately destroying my personal willingness to continue to purchase their products.

Between shoddy electronics, a clear willingness to fuck their consumer base in levels fast approaching EA-like proportion, and ruining any IP i have an interest in, I forsee my PS3 being the last sony system I purchase.

thankfully, i'm unaffected by this specific dickery, as I fortunate enough to realize nothing on the psp was worth playing anyway.

Sounds reasonable.

Not that it matters to the haters. Haters will hate regardless what Sony does, even if they give a good explanation why they do so.

Spend $50 Million Dollars to promote PSV.
Wont spend ~ $2 Million MAX to allow all global people to have UMD Access despite the obvious lack of knowledge that NO ONE want's to re-pay for a game they own, Which would increase PSV Sales.

Sony Logic right there. :\

I don't know if it's much of an indicator, but I left work (from Wal-Mart) at 11:00 PM, only an hour before the thing comes out (came out?) and nobody was waiting for it. Nobody asked for it. I've never seen this little enthusiasm for a new console. We'll probably sell more Wii's on the Vita's opening week than Vitas.

VanQQisH:
If you don't mind my asking, which game are you looking forward to? I just ordered Tales of Innocence and am eagerly awaiting it's arrival.

I'm Waiting for Digimon World Re:Digitized...

Sony's just trolling around, it would've been hilarious fitting if they said something along the lines of "problem?".

If I'd be a previous owner of a PSP, I'd definitively be pissed and just stick to my PSP and it's dozens upon dozens of UMDs.

Or, you know, if those neurons of yours are working correctly and you're seriously interested in a PSV, just stop whining, buy the damn thing and keep playing your precious PSP games in your PSP. Madness, I know.

I don't get why so many people are up in arms over this. If you own a PSP and UMDs and you're planning to get a Vita, you can still play those games on your PSP. I'm going to be getting a Vita at some point in the near future, and to be honest, I don't really care if it gets the UMD transfer or not because I can still play my PSP games on my PSP, even if I get a new system. Shocking. And FYI, the UMD transfer system, it's just a discount for people who own physical copies of their PSP games that want to buy a digital copy. You can still be able to download PSP games from the PSN directly on to your Vita memory card and play them on the Vita.

In short: Removing UMD Transfer System =/= removing backwards compatability altogether.

VanQQisH:
I find it hilariously amusing that everybody in this thread admits to one of the following.

I find it breathtaking that there's only 21 messages in the thread so far and apparently you still didn't even read them before posting this. Because it's blatantly not true for just my reply alone. And a quick scan shows other posts where this is obviously not true. You're trying too hard and seeing what you want to see.

VanQQisH:
Why are you even here?

Because reading news about Sony is like watching trainwrecks, entertaining in a morbid way. Kazuo Hirai's appointment as a CEO just ensures my unhealty amusement to keep happening for years.

What I read was "People are still buying PSP games in japan, we don't want to discourage them." Considering how long it's been since any of my friends were seen with or even mentioned a PSP, I don't think they're selling very many games to begin with, everyone who plans on buying a Vita probably knows well enough not to waste money on PSP games so it's probably been backburnered to the market of gamers who don't really care for the high end consoles and are just buying off PSPs and games because they're cheap as hell.

What I don't get is that they're discouraging people planning on buying the Vita from buying PSP games, but it's still up in the air as to how many units they'll sell to the west. If it doesn't sell they'll both be down PSP game sales and have a failed launch on their hands.

As an representative of the internet I am utterly outraged at their refusal to provide a service I wouldn't use, for a product I have no intention of buying.
Now to make derogatory comments about anyone with a differing opinion then my own, and somehow relate this back to nazis...

...YOU BUNCH OF NAZIS YOU!

The problem with the lack of demand in the west is the lack of actual releases. I've owned a PSP but if i wanted a collection of decent games for it I'd have to learn Japanese... and I suck at languages.

I believe that he is wrong and that there is in fact a market for UMD transfer here, especially since they didn't insist that all post psp go launched psp games were availble on the digital store as well as in physical form.

SupahGamuh:

Or, you know, if those neurons of yours are working correctly and you're seriously interested in a PSV, just stop whining, buy the damn thing and keep playing your precious PSP games in your PSP. Madness, I know.

Funny, this was my plan. I'm not sure what's so difficult to grasp about it, or why it needs people to grumble about Sony's decision. It's a crap decision, to be sure, and one that is annoying purely for the proof that Sony thinks so little of its customers, but it's not the end of the world. We're not required to pay for the same game again on a different system, because that implies you already own it on PSP, and therefore can play it on that fucking PSP.

Kitsuna10060:

DVS BSTrD:
Like I said before: If the Vita fails in America...

DVS BSTrD:
it won't be the Smart phone that killed it.
It will be Sony itself.

off to a fine start aren't they, if i wanted one before (hint: didn't) this would defiantly killed any interest.

said it before, and I'll say it again.

I.WILL.NOT.BUY.A.GAME.I.ALREADY.OWN.AGAIN.JUST.BECAUSE.YOU.THINK.YOU.NEED.MORE.MONEY

and that's really all i have to say about that :)

Dont you already have your psp?
why cant you keep it?

WHY CANT PEOPLE JUST KEEP THEIR PSP?!
You can fit it an a drawer!
people are whining like Autistic kids like always.

rolfwesselius:
WHY CANT PEOPLE JUST KEEP THEIR PSP?!
You can fit it an a drawer!
people are whining like Autistic kids like always.

Because the value in a system like this is it's portability. Leaving it in a drawer doesn't help when I won't be home when I want to play it, and carrying around two systems so that I can play my old games as well as my new is a very stupid idea.

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