BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC

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so Zeel

I can go on naming things in the leak that have in no way been confirmed.

Aso a large number of things you said were confirmed BEFORE the leak came out. good job there.

SajuukKhar:
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Holy shit! Please use a spoiler box. I know it's not confirmed, but even if there's a chance it may happen... You don't want to go talking about that stuff!

The Pinray:

Holy shit! Please use a spoiler box. I know it's not confirmed, but even if there's a chance it may happen... You don't want to go talking about that stuff!

Spoiler tag added.

though we HAVE spoiled a lot already.

SajuukKhar:
so Zeel

I can go on naming things in the leak that have in no way been confirmed.

Aso a large number of things you said were confirmed BEFORE the leak came out. good job there.

First woman. Spoiler tags. This isn't your personal journal where you can just go off on your tangent.

We just don't have any other information on the things you mentioned. Everything we've seen so far HAS confirmed the leaks. I don't see how you can deny that.

Everything we have seen so far is extremly basic and not plot critical.

Also I would like to point out artbooks FREQUENTLY contain drawing of ideas in alpha and beta versions of games that NEVER make it into the final cut

Just because

artbooks are a source for nothing.

As for the Prothean base on mars we have known that SINCE GAME 1.

SajuukKhar:
Everything we have seen so far is extremly basic and not plot critical.

Also I would like to point out artbooks FREQUENTLY continan drawing of ideas in alpha and beta versions of games that NEVER make it into the ifnal cut

Just because

artbooks are a source for nothing.

This is getting too spoilery. We are discussing the day one DLC not plot points of me3.

SajuukKhar:

The Pinray:

Holy shit! Please use a spoiler box. I know it's not confirmed, but even if there's a chance it may happen... You don't want to go talking about that stuff!

Spoiler tag added.

though we HAVE spoiled a lot already.

Thank you. :) And yeah, you're right. Still, better safe than sorry.

Also, I commend you for keeping your sanity throughout all this tango with His Highness.

If you don't want to go into spoilers then don't bring up how the leak has "confirmed" so much "plot critical" information then go on to list things like

The illusive man thing
The vega thing
The edi thing
the Specter thing

Seriously, hypocrisy much?

Also what makes it worse is that you say we are not arguing the plot points of ME3 but YOUR WHOLE REASON for being pissed is that the Prothean is supposedly PLOT CRITICAL to ME3, which would make it A PLOT POINT OF MASS EFFECT 3.

consistency you have NONE.

TopazFusion:

The Pinray:
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He spoilered his post, but your quote is still staring everyone in the face.
Spoiler it or snip it.

My bad, didn't even notice. Thanks for pointing that out, good sir.

It's been... dealt with.

SajuukKhar:
If you don't want to go into spoilers then don't bring up how the leak has "confirmed" so much "plot critical" information then go on to list things like

The illusive man thing
The vega thing
The edi thing
the Specter thing

Seriously, hypocrisy much?

Also what makes it worse is that you say we are not arguing the plot points of ME3 but YOUR WHOLE REASON for being pissed is that the Prothean is supposedly PLOT CRITICAL to ME3, which would make it A PLOT POINT OF MASS EFFECT 3.

consistency you have NONE.

what I said is far too broad to be considered a spoiler. the "vega thing" really, only someone who read the spoilers know what I'm talking about. It was you who brought up the legitmacy of the leaks.

Do I have to remind you that those leaks were during "content lockdown" mode, so nothing major could be changed at that point?

The Pinray:

TopazFusion:
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My bad, didn't even notice. Thanks for pointing that out, good sir.

It's been... dealt with.

Too bad it was too late; I read the first one, and suddenly: "Aaah, my eyes! They burn with storied knowledge! It cannot be true!"

salinv:

The Pinray:

TopazFusion:
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My bad, didn't even notice. Thanks for pointing that out, good sir.

It's been... dealt with.

Too bad it was too late; I read the first one, and suddenly: "Aaah, my eyes! They burn with storied knowledge! It cannot be true!"

I'm sorry. :'(

But remember, it's subject to change. Won't know until the game comes out... If that's any consolation.

do you remember that the leak was FROM A OLD VERSION OF THE STORY meaning it was made BEFORE content lockdown?

Ohh wait I forgot you "dismiss" that because Bioware always lies about everything, at least according to YOU and YOU CANT BE WRONG. /sarcasm

SajuukKhar:
do you remember that the leak was FROM A OLD VERSION OF THE STORY meaning it was made BEFORE content lockdown?

Ohh wait I forgot you "dismiss" that because Bioware always lies about everything, at least according to YOU and YOU CANT BE WRONG. /sarcasm

leaks were november, not "before content lockdown" nice try though.

The leaks were confirmed to be from a OLDER version of the script meaning the leaked script was from a version BEFORE November and thus BEFORE content lockdown.

nice try though.

SajuukKhar:
The leaks were confirmed to be from a OLDER version of the script meaning the leaked script was from a version BEFORE November and thus BEFORE content lockdown.

nice try though.

What do you mean "confirmed" as in they told you that right? The leaks were hacked from the LEAKED BETA sometime in Novemeber. Thus the leaks were as current as the game was at that time.

How many more lies are you going to swallow from Casey Hudson?

The Pinray:

salinv:
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I'm sorry. :'(

But remember, it's subject to change. Won't know until the game comes out... If that's any consolation.

True, though as Zeel seems a bit zealous to point out, the leak (if it was true) happened late enough to worry as to its permanent value in the story. Regardless, there was no context; it might just happen that it is the only valid outcome at the time, and would just be weird to come out otherwise. At least (I hope) Bioware will make it classy and enjoyable in the end. Enjoy the story for not only the destination, but also the journey, non?

Just have to wait for the end.

Zeel,

I will believe the so called "lies", which you have yet to prove are lies in any way, from Casey as long as you keep making up baseless conspiracy theories and acting like they are fact beyond YOU think they are.

SajuukKhar:
Zeel,

I will believe the so called "lies", which you have yet to prove are lies in any way, from Casey as long as you keep making up baseless conspiracy theories and acting like they are fact beyond YOU think they are.

It's not a "conspiracy theory". The leak was just too late in development to get major changes. Why do you keep denying this?

Dear lord am I glad I found out this thread was still going on.

So in case anyone wants to know if I having anything new to sa- what? You don't? oh... well did everyone eat all the popcorn?

salinv:

The Pinray:

salinv:
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I'm sorry. :'(

But remember, it's subject to change. Won't know until the game comes out... If that's any consolation.

True, though as Zeel seems a bit zealous to point out, the leak (if it was true) happened late enough to worry as to its permanent value in the story. Regardless, there was no context; it might just happen that it is the only valid outcome at the time, and would just be weird to come out otherwise. At least (I hope) Bioware will make it classy and enjoyable in the end. Enjoy the story for not only the destination, but also the journey, non?

Just have to wait for the end.

Yes, I'm very "Zealous" when it comes to the truth. I'm not just going to let her piddle in disillusion.

Because you have literally zero proof that it was from too late in the Dev cycle, beyond your word that Casey lies, which you have yet to prove.

You claim that the leak is from content lockdown stage, yet have not proved it.
You claim that Casey is a liar, yet have not proved it.
You claim that The Prothean is a plot critical character because a unproven script says so.

The only thing you argument stands on is a "BECAUSE I SAID SO" claim.

Your argument is more squishy then jello.

SajuukKhar:
Because you have literally zero proof that it was from too late in the Dev cycle beyond your word that Casey lies which you have yet to prove.

You claim that the leak is from content lockdown stage, yet have not proved it.
You claim that Casey is a liar, yet have not proved it.
You claim that The Prothean is a plot critical character because a unproven script says so.

The only thing you argument stands in is "BECAUSE I SAID SO".

Are you serious?
The leaks happened in November.

Content lockdown mode starts arounds September. If Casey claims there have been major changes HE IS lying to you.

The leaked script came out in November, and we have literally ZERO information of WHEN said script was made except that it was from a older built of the game.

PROVE that it was made AFTER content lockdown, because you have yet to do so, and beyond your "I SAID IT THUS IT MUST BE TRUE BECAUSE I AM INFALLIBLE" claim there is ZERO evidence pointing to it being post content lockdown, while there IS some proof that it isn't.

Again, Just because you say it is doesn't make it so.

Egotism =/= fact.

Zeel:

salinv:
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Yes, I'm very "Zealous" when it comes to the truth. I'm not just going to let her piddle in disillusion.

I am honestly highly inclined to disagree with your truth. However, as the last almost twelve hundred posts and now 35 pages have indicated, no progress has been made in this discussion. So, if you don't mind, I'm going to save myself and stop trying to join this discussion, and instead turn around on this bridge I am crossing so that I may find safety on the shores of sanity. See this torch in my hand? This bridge is going to burn, and when I'm on the other side, I shall turn around and watch the bridge burn and crumble, with the embers of the island that is this discussion flying through the air and laying the background. It shall be a glorious sight.

Sadly, all the popcorn has already been eaten. Maybe I can make due with these pistachios I brought with me.

Zeel:

salinv:

The Pinray:

I'm sorry. :'(

But remember, it's subject to change. Won't know until the game comes out... If that's any consolation.

True, though as Zeel seems a bit zealous to point out, the leak (if it was true) happened late enough to worry as to its permanent value in the story. Regardless, there was no context; it might just happen that it is the only valid outcome at the time, and would just be weird to come out otherwise. At least (I hope) Bioware will make it classy and enjoyable in the end. Enjoy the story for not only the destination, but also the journey, non?

Just have to wait for the end.

Yes, I'm very "Zealous" when it comes to the truth. I'm not just going to let her piddle in disillusion.

You are zealous when it comes to the truth as told to you by the voices in your head it seems.

Sorry double post:

SajuukKhar:
The fact you result to calling me Sarah when you don't know my gender or name only shows how little of a argument you have.

Secondly no you didn't refute ANYTHING I said because
"BIOWARE ARE LIARS BECAUSE I SAID SO"
Is not refutation.

If he had half a brain (highly doubtful after reading his posts) he would have called you Karen, not Sarah. *Homeworld joke +1*

Also he likely does expect all jobs to be like his own where people sit around drooling on themselves during their breaks instead of using their brains. Hell I would be willing to bet that he has to have a waterproof keyboard for this very reason.

Are people really so ignorant as to believe that this wasn't scripted EXACTLY this way?

I mean haha, like DLC isn't planned? Or that perhaps the pricing scheme isn't decided MONTHS before the release? Come on. Connect the damn dots. This isn't some indie dev, working out of his house. This is a corporation. A company that employs a ton of people. How can people defend this cash grab as if there's anyway to justify it?

I swear the next DLC step is for companies to start charging us for patches and bug fixes. Though at this point I can't blame them. Half the damn community of dedicated gamers would just support them shouting the rest of the community are entitled.

Since when is it wrong for the CONSUMER to expect more for less?

Sovereignty:
Are people really so ignorant as to believe that this wasn't scripted EXACTLY this way?

I mean haha, like DLC isn't planned? Or that perhaps the pricing scheme isn't decided MONTHS before the release? Come on. Connect the damn dots. This isn't some indie dev, working out of his house. This is a corporation. A company that employs a ton of people. How can people defend this cash grab as if there's anyway to justify it?

I swear the next DLC step is for companies to start charging us for patches and bug fixes. Though at this point I can't blame them. Half the damn community of dedicated gamers would just support them shouting the rest of the community are entitled.

Since when is it wrong for the CONSUMER to expect more for less?

I'm with you on this one.
People aren't looking at this as consumers, they're looking at it as fanboys/girls. How dare they attack DEAR LEADER BIOWARE! They might....HURT SOMEONE'S FEELINGS!!! *GASP*

Alot of it seems to be post purchase rationalization (or in this case, Pre Purchase...scary).

And a few....well....

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EA has people to spread the "good word".

I'm starting to wonder where Zeel's carer is.

Doc Theta Sigma:
I'm starting to wonder where Zeel's carer is.

Probably works for activision.

Who'll back me up on the idea that this argument will still be going even after release day? and that Zeel will still be wrong, and just refuse to either A) admit it or B) stop arguing his "point", even after everyone knows what exactly is in the DLC or the Game. It'll go a little something like this:

"All of the people here talking about the DLC actually work for EA/Bioware. It's all a massive conspiracy!"

David Savage:
Who'll back me up on the idea that this argument will still be going even after release day? and that Zeel will still be wrong, and just refuse to either A) admit it or B) stop arguing his "point", even after everyone knows what exactly is in the DLC or the Game. It'll go a little something like this:

"All of the people here talking about the DLC actually work for EA/Bioware. It's all a massive conspiracy!"

Seconded
Third
Fourthed

So...a company is trying to make more money.

Well, I say, that is a novel idea.

But without sarcasm, it is quite obvious that EA and other companies are merely seeing how much customers are willing to pay for their product. Pretty standard practice in the market and people should not get so mad about it.

It'll regulate itself. That's how the market works. Once EA actually reaches a point where the money they ask for is too much, people will no longer buy the games and they will not make a profit and they will revert to a point where they did.

It's just...normal. All you have to do is ask yourself if the entertainment you get from a game is worth the price you pay. So far, the majority seems to think it is.

We'll see how long that lasts.

Zeel:

Razada:

Zeel:
I see the frequent posters in this thread showed their colors. Keep spamming useless, unfunny pictures. I know that the discussion made your brain hurt. the possibility that Bioware might not be the bunnies and rainbows type of company but more of the Darth Vader-give-me-your-soul type of company.

I also cant believe SajuukKhar(Sarah from now on) still has the nerve to argue in this thread. You know I refuted everything you said right? Why do you persist in bringing them up when I'm not looking?

Wei so srs?

Also.

Day one DLC is a bit shitty but not worth thirty pages and more than 1,000 posts. Its 10 dollars. 10 fucking dollars.

Yeah, its shitty.

BUT ITS 10 FUCKING DOLLARS. If you cannot afford 10 dollars, well, how did you afford the 60 for the game.

And if its the principal of the thing?

That is just fucked up. All of you.

30 pages of rage.

During the last 24 hours, more than 400 women and children have been raped in teh Democratic Republic of Congo. When I say children I mean children as young as 8 months old.

Whilst I was typing this post, about a dozen children starved to death.
About 8 died of Diahorrea caused by cholera.

The 10 dollars you are all bitching and moaning about

Could provide water for a family for a week.

So please.

You bunch of entitled wankers.

Why is it that EA pulling a dickmove makes people rage out for more than 1,000 POSTS yet the fact that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE DYING BECAUSE NOBODY GIVES A CRAP doesn't bother a single one of you?

Get your priorities strait guys. All of you.

This.
Doesnt.
Fucking.
Matter.

It was just a matter of time before someone pulled the whole Africa starving routine. I think its almost as bad Godwin's Law.

But wait- 10 dollars you say? Well damn. Why didn't you say so? I mean here I thought this was less about money and more about holding EA games accountable for scumy dick moves. but you know what, that 10 dollar theory seems more likely.

Scummy dick move = Letting thousands of people die out of sheer greed.

What EA is doing = Good business practice.

If it bothers you so much, become a pirate.

It does not matter. At all. Oh, sure, big hit for the people who really love the lore... possibly. But in the end its 10 dollars. Hell, they are holding the -entire- game for ransom at 60 dollars on day one, is that an issue? If it is really about this being a scummy dick move then wait 10 months and buy the INEVITABLE GOTY edition that will contain all the DLC.

If you can afford to buy a game on day of release you can afford an extra 10 dollars. What EA is doing is simple business practice, people will pay extra for a product that they have producced so they are charging extra. If the money mattters, wait for a GOTY edition. If it is just about the principal of the thing, get better principals because this does not fucking matter on any level.

I know you are gamers so talk about gamer issues. But this?

This?

95% of what is being said is wild speculation, the other 5% is blatant horseshit. You do not KNOW how important the Prothean is going to be (Although... I find it unlikely that he would be that important. Highly unlikely) you do not KNOW how big this DLC is going to be and how much lore there is going to be within it that cannot be got from other sources. You simply do not know.

But you are willing to jump to wild conclusions, which is fine by me. I just do not think it matters on any level. Its a dick move, yes, but in the grand scheme of things, even from a gaming perspective, it really does not matter. At all. EA can charge however much they like for their products. If you do not like that, become a pirate. It follows that EA can prepare day one DLC and make people pay for it. Day One DLC has already been accepted so get used to it.

The issue here seems to be "This DLC might (key word) be incredibly important ergo it should be free!". To this I state "The game IS going to be incredibly important ergo it should be free!".

So...

The money is not the issue.
Day one DLC has never caused this much rage before, even stuff that has had to have been paid for.
This is a fucking stupid thread.
And this is about your principals.

In closing I will say this.

If this matters that much to you, your principals are fucked up. Yes, I am judging you, I am judging you to be morally bankrupt. Good day to you, good day to you all.

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