Hallowed Lady: Just as a point, those buying the CE aren't getting it 'for free'. They have to buy the game at a higher price and get extra content in exchange for said higher price... So why is that so unfair?
I'm a little ticked off because the suppiles ran out, but I can just get it on Live if I want it so badly. I can understand getting ticked off at having to shell out money for things like multi-player or alike, but this DLC is optional. Also, no matter what route you take, you have to pay for it anyway.
I'd almost argue those who got the CE are getting it for free. We agreed to pay $10 for the crap in the package back in December or November or something, and Bioware was like, "Oh, here's some more stuff for you guys." I'm pretty sure the CE sold out months ago, before anyone knew there was free DLC attached to it. Gamers who buy the DLC separately get the same treatment as CE buyers except they're all out of N7 patches and whatnot. It seems pretty fair to me.
I'm asking why people are saying this is unfair, not saying it's unfair. To me people are getting mad over something that isn't needed and not priced that high. I've seen worse prices, anyone remember the horse armour from Oblivion?
Yes that's probably a more infamous example, but in the point is that if it's not needed for a good game experience then I see no issue. Sure it would be nice to see no first day or CE DLC instead just having the artbooks and alike, but I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon.
This thread has kind of a hostile setting, but I actually meant to agree with you.
The only thing CE users are getting extra are all of the shiny, pointless crap (we treasure), but we technically pay the same for the DLC. I dunno, I just don't feel like this is even worth arguing.
I don't get it. People are upset because the company is making extra stuff for a game and they have to pay extra for it. It's not like this stuff is locked on the disk or extremely important to the story. Why are people getting upset? If I go out and buy a bicycle, I know that getting spare wheels, better brakes, and a headlight system (not that I want that junk) is going to cost me some extra bucks. But they aren't essential. Why must people get upset about this?
Let's see... would you rather have all the games on earth come with the DLC already installed, but the pricetag adjusted to match the total price? The company is making an extra part of the game for those who want it and are willing to pay for it, and they are NOT giving it for free. In fact, seeing as it's BioWare doing this, I wouldnt take anything for free from them, even if they offered it.
It's extra stuff they are selling. Everyone who is getting mad at this, you're a) not helping the situation by acting like whiny twelve-year-olds, and b) by demanding that your wants be chatered to like spoiled brats, you are not helping the gaming industry. If any company loses its customer base, it'll just find a new one. So grow up and deal with this more maturely.
I'm going to assume that the people who brought thr CE mainly wanted those other things. However I do understand the point, maybe they have overstuffed the CE but it IS a CE and I'd guess it's for the sake of selling more copies.
Well it certainly worked, as the only way to get a copy of it now is digitally.
Also: and as someone who bought the CE, I can tell you I bought it, not just for the extra cosmetic stuff and the free DLC. I bought it because Bioware is my favorite developer, and Mass Effect is one of my favorite series. All that other stuff is just icing on an already delicious cake.
ilovemyLunchbox: I'd almost argue those who got the CE are getting it for free. We agreed to pay $10 for the crap in the package back in December or November or something, and Bioware was like, "Oh, here's some more stuff for you guys." I'm pretty sure the CE sold out months ago, before anyone knew there was free DLC attached to it. Gamers who buy the DLC separately get the same treatment as CE buyers except they're all out of N7 patches and whatnot. It seems pretty fair to me.
I'm asking why people are saying this is unfair, not saying it's unfair. To me people are getting mad over something that isn't needed and not priced that high. I've seen worse prices, anyone remember the horse armour from Oblivion?
Yes that's probably a more infamous example, but in the point is that if it's not needed for a good game experience then I see no issue. Sure it would be nice to see no first day or CE DLC instead just having the artbooks and alike, but I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon.
This thread has kind of a hostile setting, but I actually meant to agree with you.
The only thing CE users are getting extra are all of the shiny, pointless crap (we treasure), but we technically pay the same for the DLC. I dunno, I just don't feel like this is even worth arguing.
Point taken, I guess it's not for arugments sake, I just can't understand why people get worked up over this. Again if they were pulling this with the multiplayer I'd understand, it's a part of the game that many people are looking forward to. But something as minor as this...it goes right over my head.
Point taken, I guess it's not for arugments sake, I just can't understand why people get worked up over this. Again if they were pulling this with the multiplayer I'd understand, it's a part of the game that many people are looking forward to. But something as minor as this...it goes right over my head.
To be perfectly honest it would probably get a lot less attention if they made everyone pay for the multiplayer instead. Which is sad because the multiplayer is a lot of fun.
I'm going to assume that the people who brought thr CE mainly wanted those other things. However I do understand the point, maybe they have overstuffed the CE but it IS a CE and I'd guess it's for the sake of selling more copies.
Well it certainly worked, as the only way to get a copy of it now is digitally.
Also: and as someone who bought the CE, I can tell you I bought it, not just for the extra cosmetic stuff and the free DLC. I bought it because Bioware is my favorite developer, and Mass Effect is one of my favorite series. All that other stuff is just icing on an already delicious cake.
OT: Sorry for posting twice in a row.
True but that's part of my point, some buy it for both the goodies and the DLC. CE is meant to special in a way, limited or for those who really like the series and I can't really dislike Bioware for how it's set-up. I couldn't get it and will probably buy the DCL, since I've spent £7 on worse things.
Point taken, I guess it's not for arugments sake, I just can't understand why people get worked up over this. Again if they were pulling this with the multiplayer I'd understand, it's a part of the game that many people are looking forward to. But something as minor as this...it goes right over my head.
To be perfectly honest it would probably get a lot less attention if they made everyone pay for the multiplayer instead. Which is sad because the multiplayer is a lot of fun.
True, that would be much worse... I guess it's just that it's Bioware and EA doing it.
True but that's part of my point, some buy it for both the goodies and the DLC. CE is meant to special in a way, limited or for those who really like the series and I can't really dislike Bioware for how it's set-up. I couldn't get it and will probably buy the DCL, since I've spent £7 on worse things.
I know several people who are doing the exact same. So you're not alone in that :D.
I'm a big fan of having a big CE, it really rewards the long time fans of the series.
True but that's part of my point, some buy it for both the goodies and the DLC. CE is meant to special in a way, limited or for those who really like the series and I can't really dislike Bioware for how it's set-up. I couldn't get it and will probably buy the DCL, since I've spent £7 on worse things.
I know several people who are doing the exact same. So you're not alone in that :D.
I'm a big fan of having a big CE, it really rewards the long time fans of the series.
Yea, again I'd like to get CE...but I wasn't quick enough and have to go halves with a sibling who also wants it. That's what I get for sharing a console.
anthony87: Zeel actually wrote about us in his blog!
I'm so happy!
Makes you feel warm inside....... or maybe that my stomach exploding.
Jesus....after having an actual read though his latest blog post....I mean I figured he was just putting on an act or something but now I'm thinking that he's seriously disturbed.
anthony87: Zeel actually wrote about us in his blog!
I'm so happy!
Makes you feel warm inside....... or maybe that my stomach exploding.
Jesus....after having an actual read though his latest blog post....I mean I figured he was just putting on an act or something but now I'm thinking that he's seriously disturbed.
he's like I'd be if i wasn't on my a.d.d drugs speaking of which i should go take them
This thread has created some of the best Mass Effect related pics/captions I've seen. I love it! Anyway I suppose it's all been said, and Zeel is gone, which is sad because I wanted to ask his/her proof that the Prothean is not in the game without DLC. My favorite thing I've seen on here is "burden of proof is on the accuser" so Zeel's accusations are groundless without proof that the Prothean is not in the game at all without DLC. Anyway, this has certainly been entertaining.
Xangba: This thread has created some of the best Mass Effect related pics/captions I've seen. I love it! Anyway I suppose it's all been said, and Zeel is gone, which is sad because I wanted to ask his/her proof that the Prothean is not in the game without DLC. My favorite thing I've seen on here is "burden of proof is on the accuser" so Zeed's accusations are groundless without proof that the Prothean is not in the game at all without DLC. Anyway, this has certainly been entertaining.
If you had asked him that question the response would've been along the lines of:
"THE LEAKS! THE LEAKS IN NOVMEMBER MENTIONED A PROTHEAN AND BECAUSE THE DLC HAS A PROTHEAN THAT MEANS THEY REMOVED IT FROM THE GAME BECAUSE I SAID SO! YOU'RE STUPID! ADMIT IT! ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!!!!"
Or something like that. Seriously though, many people asked him for his proof and he just kept harping on about that damn plot leak.
erttheking: Zeel won't be back until the game comes out, but when he does I have a gut feeling he's going to be more brutal than ever. There's good news though, he's worked himself into a corner, if he buys the game and criticizes it, he compromised his ideals and gave money to EA, but if he doesn't buy it, he can't properly criticize it. He could pirate the game I suppose, but if he does he'll be perma banned from this site if he admits it. Yeah, this guy isn't exactly Patton.
At least the mods finally suspended him. I thought they were turning a bit blind for not seeing all the insults he has been throwing for the past couple of days.
Xangba: This thread has created some of the best Mass Effect related pics/captions I've seen. I love it! Anyway I suppose it's all been said, and Zeel is gone, which is sad because I wanted to ask his/her proof that the Prothean is not in the game without DLC. My favorite thing I've seen on here is "burden of proof is on the accuser" so Zeed's accusations are groundless without proof that the Prothean is not in the game at all without DLC. Anyway, this has certainly been entertaining.
If you had asked him that question the response would've been along the lines of:
"THE LEAKS! THE LEAKS IN NOVMEMBER MENTIONED A PROTHEAN AND BECAUSE THE DLC HAS A PROTHEAN THAT MEANS THEY REMOVED IT FROM THE GAME BECAUSE I SAID SO! YOU'RE STUPID! ADMIT IT! ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!ADMIT IT!!!!"
Or something like that. Seriously though, many people asked him for his proof and he just kept harping on about that damn plot leak.
He actually used the words admit it in one of his posts. He said, and I quote "admit it admit it admit it admit it."
animehermit: So it looks like Zeel only got a 14 day suspension. Only 14 days mods? Really?
Don't worry, he'll be back in time to tell us how bad ME3 is, and how stupid we all are.
He'll have one more dance before the permaban.
If it isn't a duet with EternalNothingness I am going to be so disappointed.
It will be a battle for the ages, so epic in it's scale, that this world and all other possible worlds will be torn asunder, the very fabric of time itself will collapse, and all shall reside in a dark oblivion.
Don't worry, he'll be back in time to tell us how bad ME3 is, and how stupid we all are.
He'll have one more dance before the permaban.
If it isn't a duet with EternalNothingness I am going to be so disappointed.
Let's make it go out with a bang and make it a 3 some combo with Danyal
I'm afraid I don't know him. The religion and politics threads I imagine to be this thread all the time, only with less ME subbed pictures that make me laugh. Probably a wrong opinion, but I stay the hell away from there.
Don't worry, he'll be back in time to tell us how bad ME3 is, and how stupid we all are.
He'll have one more dance before the permaban.
If it isn't a duet with EternalNothingness I am going to be so disappointed.
It will be a battle for the ages, so epic in it's scale, that this world and all other possible worlds will be torn asunder, the very fabric of time itself will collapse, and all shall reside in a dark oblivion.
I assume we shall be part of the battle, all badly dressed as batman, Gotham City Imposters style?
I guess you didn't see my previous post and don't know exactly where I stand on these whole thing. Don't blame you really - this thread is more than a thousand posts deep... But let me try to clarify a few things, with the risk of repeating myself:
Keep in mind, the reason this discussion started was someone saying that no story content was good, and backing that up. That means that, for the intents and purposes of my prior comment, it doesn't matter if it's Day 1 DLC or not.
Some people in the thread are saying that the DLC story is good, not me. The thread is about Bioware justifying the From Ashes DLC. I don't know if the content is good or bad as I haven't seen it.
It sure is. It is completely subjective and a matter of opinion. That's the reason some people are pissed about it and some don't. But when the content is about gameplay (good or bad), it does not take a master degree in psychology to foresee that some people will be upset about it.
This is bonus content for the people who paid extra for a special edition. The reason you can buy it is so you don't lose out if you didn't buy the special edition.
The reason you can buy it is for EA to make money. If they were worried that I didn't lose content, they would release it for free. I know "it costs money to develop", but Zaheed also cost money and the extended edition of The Witcher 2 also costs money, both were free.
If EA is trying to be nice they are very bad at it. The gameplay content shouldn't be part of the collector's edition. I said it before: CE is about collectibles (keychains, fluffy armor, etc), not gameplay. Putting gameplay in the CE is great to promote it and terrible to build good will with costumers.
I do not think I deserve the DLC content for free. It is their game and EA can do whatever they want with it. The sex analogy wasn't judgmental but YOU seem to think that anyone who goes for sex on the first day is a slut, I did not suggest such thing: there are people that go for it and there are people that do not - the point is that, whichever the case, it is still sex, meaning: EA is still after your money with DLC, in this case they tried to sell it to us earlier than they used to - some were ok with it, some don't. If enough people are OK with it they will probably try to push it a little harder in the future (you gotta love sex analogies).
There is such a thing as a social contract in every economic relationship. There are a lot of things that consumers expect both explicitly and implicitly every time we reach for our wallets. That's the reason why that same content offered in different circumstances wouldn't start such a ruckus.
How would you feel if this really was limited edition content? If the only way to get the content was to be one of the pre-orderers of the Collector's Edition? And since it's already sold out, tough luck if you want the bonus content. Seriously, how is that better? It's certainly less of a cash grab, so logically, it should be an improvement.
I never questioned the decision to make it available for the public since the CE is sold out. I questioned the decision to put it on the CE to begin with. Not because I think I'm entitled to anything, mind you, but because I think it is just cash grab and they could be smarter about this. Look at this thread and all the irrational arguments been thrown willy nilly, look at all the pre-orders cancelled talk (even if they are not real). EA was coming from a bad situation with the whole Dragon Age 2 thing, do you really thing the smarter thing to do is go to the easy cash strategy?
Well, maybe this will pay off in terms of money for them, but I really think that a more friendly approach would have been even better, both in short and long term.
In any case, I guess that every fan has the right to be angry about it, post in the forums to their hearts content and not buying the game or the DLC - change rarely comes from this, but when it does it is very nice. That said, the discussion with Zeel is a whole different, parallel story, that I'm not interested to be part of.
Richardplex: I assume we shall be part of the battle, all badly dressed as batman, Gotham City Imposters style?
Pfft, my outfit is the real deal, my mum made it especially for just such an occasion.
What was this occasion? "Just in case 2 infamous insane people join powers and try and destroy the world/internet/reason, I made you a batman costume so you can get sidetracked by riddler trophies"? I wish my mum was that cool. She just gave me a bunch a junk and told me I could be anything I wanted. So by day I wear a box and by night I wear a bin-bag. True story.
Richardplex: I assume we shall be part of the battle, all badly dressed as batman, Gotham City Imposters style?
Pfft, my outfit is the real deal, my mum made it especially for just such an occasion.
What was this occasion? "Just in case 2 infamous insane people join powers and try and destroy the world/internet/reason, I made you a batman costume so you can get sidetracked by riddler trophies"? I wish my mum was that cool. She just gave me a bunch a junk and told me I could be anything I wanted. So by day I wear a box and by night I wear a bin-bag. True story.
I know I'm going to sound very hipster on this...but I really enjoy not buying AAA titles anymore. They just nickel and dime us more, they become part of these heartless ginormous publishers like EA or Activision. Better to buy Indie and save yourself the heart ache of getting fucked on DLC.
Not all AAA is that bad. Take Skyrim for instance, it's been out a bit over 3 months and has had a free texture pack DLC and a free CK release, absolutely no paid DLC created before release, no in-game bonuses to collectors editions or preorders or anything. If you bought the game, you got the full game. No exceptions.
This thread has kind of a hostile setting, but I actually meant to agree with you.
The only thing CE users are getting extra are all of the shiny, pointless crap (we treasure), but we technically pay the same for the DLC. I dunno, I just don't feel like this is even worth arguing.