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Look, I like the Thomas Paine quote, so I'm not changing it. | |
I accidentally thought the moms BOUGHT the comics off the shelves. I sure have a twisted mind. | |
I agree with you on most respects, but they're control over what they're children see is limited to what is inside of their home. Because a parent going to a store, being offended by a comic that is completely kid friendly and just doesn't align with their beliefs, and then demanding the publisher take the comics back is absurd. What of the parents who do believe in the message the book is saying? What of the parents that do agree with the book's message and believe that their children SHOULD see this kind of thing? Are we simply going to let one group of parents dictate how a store runs, despite everyone else's acceptance of it as something a child can see without harm? By telling the store to stop selling these books, it's true that they're just raising their children the way they think is best for them, but they're also shoving their way of parenting down every other parent's throat and forcing it on them. If they're really extremely offended by this kind of thing, they can just I don't know... not buy the book for their child? | |
I know this is far from being the point, but I've always wondered: Who the hell is still reading Archie? They keep making these books, and I've even heard that they still sell like hotcakes. But I have no idea what audience is buying them. Kids? Seniors? I can't imagine very many teens/young adults are into Archie at any rate. | |
My apologies, I had one of those reply before you read entire thread moments. | |
Prejudiced and at the same incredibly patronising to children. They're not that stupid. | |
This. The market responds to consumer pressure, nothing else. All the forum bleating does nothing to One Million Moms. If you really want to stick it to them, then go out and buy the comic in droves. I will say, though, that the members of One Million Moms should probably learn how to give half-explanations. Imagine what they'd do if they were driving down the street and their kid asked "Why are there naked ladies with names written on their backs on that billboard?" (an actual billboard near my house). While it's obviously going to be a bit much to tell your kid that they're attempting to use nudity to generate business (imitation would cause a nightmare), you CAN say that "They're trying to make people mad." It's true, as the sign is quite controversial over here, but doesn't give them the parts of the picture you don't want to talk about until they're a few years older. | |
Yes, but the point is that Toys R Us is a major chain that will constantly be host to all sorts of kids of all sorts of ages and parental backgrounds. If you are a parent who wants to push that agenda on your kids, thats fine. Get it from one of the other thousands of retail methods be it brick and mortar or online. Remember this is not to have the publisher stop publishing it. Its to get it out of toys R us. The claim is not to stop the sale. Its to get it blocked from the hands of kids in a place kids WILL frequent. If a Parent wants to go through the ordeal of taking their 4 year old kid aside and reading them this issue of Archie, then explaining first sex, then homosexuality thats their prerogative. However dont expose EVERY kid to it based on proximity just to accommodate one group in the name of being politically correct, or functionally progressive. Heres a suggestion. This is a matter of sexuality vs retail. We already have a model of how sex and retail can coexist. Simply make sexual content physically and visually inaccessible to kids much like how porn magazines are usually handled. Wrap them in protective plastic to ensure they are not opened, Bar anything suggestive from view. Then make it so that parental consent is required to purchase. Over protective parents get to continue sheltering their kids while parents in the affirmative still have the freedom to expose their children to this as they see fit. Its as close to a perfect solution as you can get. | |
To respond to all your posts: My kids shouldn't be allowed to see free black people, I don't agree with them. My kids shouldn't be allowed to be taught or even have a knowledge that the world is round, I don't agree with it. My kids shouldn't be allowed to taught about women's rights, or view women being treated as equals, I disagree with that. My kids shouldn't be allowed to see any person/culture/literature/show/film/etc that isn't originally from this country, I don't believe in any culture that might be equal to my own. Now do you understand why their opinion is ridiculous? It's a fact of life, it will not be changed, so trying to get it removed or even shelter your child from it will result in them being as ignorant and hateful as their parents are. If it were something that was morally wrong then fine. If you think it is different from opposite sex marriage, then I hate to inform you that you have a problem, you should probably see a professional about it, since society is becoming less and less tolerant of such intolerant behavior (kinda funny that isn't it?) | |
People still read Archie comics? Damn, I'm surprised, glad to see them still doing well. I never understood this stuff from anti-gay groups. Why are they so against their children being exposed to homosexuality? It's not like being kept in this heterosexual bubble will stop whatever sexual desires exist within them. Also, it's pretty dumb to protest Toys R Us for this. Why would they protest the merchant, and not the creator of Archie comics? | |
Do me a favor and go see comment #162 | |
Actually, hetero comics do this all the time. Comics often get things like marriage on the front cover, or kisses, if it's between straight people. Hm, wait. There's an archie comic where exactly this happened. You're just bigoted, so you don't notice this as announcing heterosexuality, but in reality, it's exactly that. You people only freak out when gay people do it, when heterosexuals say the same thing, you don't even bat an eye. Definition of bigotry right there, this double standard of yours. After all, people don't actually do what you claim, they act the same as heterosexuals, but since it's too visible for you, you need to pretend that it's totally different.
Personally, it's more tiring to see close minded people whine about being called close minded. How are you narrow minded? Why, you gave me a perfect example.
Why, here. Homosexuality is not an issue of sex anymore than a straight marriage in a comic is. Unless you lobby to keep male/female kisses, hugs, and marriages (all of which are sexual by your definition) out of the same places, you're being narrow minded and ignorant. As simple as that. What you're doing is just the same old whining you people did 30 years ago about mixed marriage. Same tired, boring arguments, same close minded nonsense, same attemts of censorship with hand-wringing about protecting childrunnnn because you lot "morally" disagreed with how other people live their life and claimed that your priorities should have precedence. Horrible sex on comic covers: If you are being bigoted or close minded, then people will call you on it. If you do not want to be called bigoted, maybe stop spouting bigoted opinions. People will not be able to call you that, then :) | |
If I ever have a daughter, I would not want her exposed to that Bratz bullcrap. All about kids dressing up in makeup, jewelry, and doing fashion shows. I think its offensive and brain rotting. And I don't want my child to see that and think that its normal or cool. But ultimately, that's my opinion. I can't force Toys R Us to discontinue Bratz because I find them stupid and shallow. I can complain all that I want. I can tell Toys R Us that I'm done shopping at their store until they get rid of it. And I can put together a support group for it too. But, all the same, Toys R Us can just ignore it. I have no control over what Toys R Us does, and I can't "demand" for them to do anything. Same for this book. If I don't want my kid to read it, I don't have to buy it. If I don't want my kid to see it, I don't have to go to Toys R Us. And finally, its one freaking book. In a toy store. There's like a bajillion other things on the shelves. Unless your kid is an Archie nut, it should be a cakewalk to avoid the book entirely. And even if your kid is an Archie nut, just tell him that he can't get the book. Why? Because Mom/Dad said so. Yes, your kid will argue, and be pissed at you, but that's part of life. Don't tell some corporation that it needs to take better care of your own children. | |
So, why shouldn't your kid ask questions about this stuff? What do the the parents not want to do anything that could result in their kid not being 'normal'? It would be nice if one day society can reach the point when kids don't even question things like racism or homophobia because they see no reason not to accept people for who they are. Other thing, if you don't like a stores policies, just don't go there. Don't try and force your values onto a larger group just because you 'think' you represent them. | |
Yea but I'm lazy and I can't be bothered to go read every comment, and I saw one saying you were opposed but didn't want to derail (Might have got the wrong end of the stick on that one) So I'm assuming based on your view and things you said that you do not view same sex marriage as opposite sex marriage. I just wanted to know why not? | |
Argh! Homophobic groups! It's the year 2012! When you were young you lived through Milk's term in office! You lived through the Don't ask Don't tell fiasco! Your kids see homosexuality not as a bad thing, but as you tell them it's a bad thing they grow up believing it's a evil! So what if the head of an Internationale company is gay? So what if a long running comic want's to change it up once and a while? Openly gay relationships have been happening for decades. And you think attacking the comics for showing love is bad role modeling? Wtf! Look at yourself One Million Moms, if you want your kids to not see this then don't buy them the comic. If you want to censor what your kids see, fine, but just don't attack something head on because it disagrees with you. And I thought we were more civilized. | |
that is what happens when dumb people have too much free time on themselves.... | |
I think the Simpsons have the best answer in regard to these moms. Er.....how do I make the above link appear as a video clip? | |
type [ youtube= ] after that = you put the part of the youtube link that follows the ?v= (only what follows so not the ?v=) I know a better song but i can not link it due to the text. So i will just be singing Lilly Allen's Fuck you very much ;) /edit no spaces when you type it though | |
Well now I've gone and completely buggered it up! | |
[ youtube = AaFamedaS1g ] I meant it like that (without the spaces). Maybe my previous bit wasn't to clear but you do not have to add the ?v= found a fitting song for this topic though | |
A better question is what the hell is wrong with you? Your post is more judgemental and intolerant than anything quoted from this organization. This board is rife with individuals who are the first to jump on the parents when some video game child goes awry and acts like a crazy person. The first and most prevalent comment is "where were the parents? Why don't they do a better job?" And here you have a group of mothers, whose apparent concern is fundamentally not about homosexual relationships, but rather the time and manner in which their kids are educated about such relationships. Ie their concern is not about gays, it's about raising thier kids in the manner they see fit. And there's nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Why is a parent who doesn't want to expose their kids to sex and violence treated any differently than a parent who doesn't want to expose their kids to the concept of homosexuality? | |
is anyone else thinking the best plan would be to send gay people to hold hands and kiss just outside their houses until they give in? | |
That'd be Elliot's clone/sister, Ellen. "Forever" sounds about right if you've read the comic and can't tell. ;D | |
Oh cool, lazy, ignorant and small minded parents who would rather the "problem" disappear rather than teach their children that this is normal. Let's breed even more assholes into the world like them. | |
There is absoluetly nothing wrong with gay people getting married. It's sickening that this is still a hot topic in 2012. I thought we were supposed to be all peaceful and understanding by now... Oh well, I'll let Patton Oswalt give his 2 cents for me. (up until the 3min 40secs mark) | |
Why should there be any concern at all about exposing a child to the "concept of homosexuality"? You have to understand that to even frame the issue in that matter (this is something I don't want my child being exposed to just yet) is a sign of prejudice, when one would never consider the "concept of heterosexuality" in the same light. Now, I'm not going to jump up in anyone's face and scream at them that they're a bigot, because that's not my way, and I know how hard it can be to reverse the prejudices that you grew up with. But to deny that they are prejudices ensures that you'll never get rid of them, either. Breaking down those walls isn't an easy process for anyone to go through, but it's one that must be undertaken if people are going to make any progress towards equality. Parents can raise their kids however they want, but they should think long and hard about whether their attempts to "protect" a kid will end up hurting him in the long run. A mom's effort to prevent her child from being exposed to homosexuality isn't going to work out too well if that kid ends up being gay. He could end up hating himself, feeling ashamed of his own natural desires. That is a very difficult and painful position to put a kid in, and it could be avoided if the parents would only deal with the issue early, with acceptance and tolerance. | |
i was going to reply to Volf but i scrapped it for i would probably get banned for personal insults. On topic: if those moms think that gay marriage is a concept too hard for kids to understand than they deserve a good brain slap so they would start using their brains for once. | |
I am really losing faith in the sanity and intelligence of people here, as it has already been said but no one is paying attention. It isn't about whether the mum's in question should be able to control what their kids are exposed to, but in this day and age and also with this era's laws. It is ILLEGAL to discriminate against black people/midgets/dwarfs/spastics AND homosexuals in the way such as they are going on about now, showing a gay married (civilly partnered) couple is called keeping up with current affairs, if it was a black couple (oh wait there is a black man on the cover :O) you wouldn't think of causing such a shit storm. And why is that, because most of us have matured past that and it is now something normal to see. Hopefully this type of thing will be a thing of the past in 5/10/20 years (if not before) but at the moment we can't point out to you nutters, that this is the REAL problem. No I am not running round in a pink mankini, kissing all the men in the street nor do I snog all the women in the street, so grow up and realise that getting stroppy about two men kissing is just like seeing a black man and a white woman kissing 15/20 years ago, it's weird and you aren't used to it. But it is not something that will cause the world to end. Chill the hell out! EDIT: Corrected a sentence. | |
Those of us in the scientific community refer to this as a textbook example of a "sick burn". | |
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Creepy? -Chuckles- I am inclined to disagree.
I just like to see who I am arguing with and if you post stuff on the internet, you can't insinuate weirdness when someone reads it and takes you to task on evident hypocrisy, surely?
Otherwise this whole forum idea would be rather creepy?