LulzSec Leader Outed As FBI Rat

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Good. Hope the punishment hurts.

It's like the people that think Anonymous is a big organisation, I highly doubt they're anywhere near as big as people think. It's even worse that Anon demand transparency despite being a faceless group of people who refuse to take responsability for their actions.

Anyway this is good to hear, this guy was an idiot for doing the hacking in the first place, especially as he had 2 kids, but at least he helped catch the others and will most likely be excused for that.

Pluvia:
Good. Hope the punishment hurts.

It's like the people that think Anonymous is a big organisation, I highly doubt they're anywhere near as big as people think. It's even worse that Anon demand transparency despite being a faceless group of people who refuse to take responsability for their actions.

Anyway this is good to hear, this guy was an idiot for doing the hacking in the first place, especially as he had 2 kids, but at least he helped catch the others and will most likely be excused for that.

I think you're mistaking LuLzSec for Anonymous.

Second, Anon is pretty damn transparent. Yes, the people within it are Anonymous, but that structure actually ensures that they maintain some amount of transparency, which is more than I can say for the US Govt or any Govt for that matter.

Silvianoshei:

Lono Shrugged:

This makes no sense to me.

Do you get how crime and punishment works?

Guess some people missed my point. I understand the whole, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" thing. I just think that it's distasteful to come out in public with the details of how you turned an informant. Public humiliation is not synonymous with justice.

I'm not saying that they can't turn people into informants by threatening to lock them up for their crimes. I'm saying it's not such a great thing to talk about how they broke someone using their family publicly.

Bottom line: if someone is willing to help you catch the bad guys in penance for their crimes, what exactly is the point of publicizing how you persuaded them, besides humiliating them?

Because we don't use stockades any more. ANY person who commits a crime is on public record committing that crime. They sometimes list minor crimes in the newspaper.

I'm not saying I totally agree but this is no surprise, especially if you are any way familiar with the F.B.I and how they operate. It's not about fair it's about nailing criminals and I can respect that. Especially if your hands are not clean anyway.

To me the whole kids thing is him just justifying burning his buddies to himself. It rings a little more noble than "I don't want to be shanked in the showers" I have no sympathy for this guy. I feel sorry for his kids but mostly because their Dad is a fucking asshole

No, I changed the subject to Anon, I know who Lulzsec are.

It's not transparent otherwise we would know who they are. If you demand transparency you must also be transparent yourself. I want to see the faces of the people who demand this, yet they hide behind a mask so they can hide from the consequences of their illegal actions.

Remaining anonymous is fine. Remaining anonymous whilst demanding others don't is retarded.

So the old adage 'no honour among thieves', seems to be the same for hackers....

As to how one of these idiots managed to procreate is beyond me.

Lono Shrugged:

Because we don't use stockades any more. ANY person who commits a crime is on public record committing that crime. They sometimes list minor crimes in the newspaper.

I'm not saying I totally agree but this is no surprise, especially if you are any way familiar with the F.B.I and how they operate. It's not about fair it's about nailing criminals and I can respect that. Especially if your hands are not clean anyway.

To me the whole kids thing is him just justifying burning his buddies to himself. It rings a little more noble than "I don't want to be shanked in the showers" I have no sympathy for this guy. I feel sorry for his kids but mostly because their Dad is a fucking asshole

The only problem I have with this is the fact that they brought his family into this publicly. He wasn't the one to mention that they used his family as leverage. They didn't have to mention that he had two kids; forcing them into the public sphere isn't necessary. As I said, I don't give a damn about the dude, he deserves what he got. But if someone is willing to be an informant for you, as a legal measure of penance, you could at least spare their families from public humiliation. It's not about fairness or justice; I just don't think that's tasteful.

Seriously, cutting the head off LulzSec? Does the FBI really have any idea how groups like this are really "organized"? They don't have heads, they just have some guy who happens to be in front at the time.

Silvianoshei:

Andy Chalk:

Monsegur, described by FoxNews.com as an "unemployed, 28-year-old father of two," apparently flipped on the group in order to avoid being separated from his children. "It was because of his kids. He didn't want to go away to prison and leave them," a law enforcement official said. "That's how we got him."

This is the only thing I don't like. Threatening to leave his children without a father or as orphans is a pretty terrible thing to do.

Also want to point out that his name is freaking awesome.

I'm pretty sure it may have had something to do with the constant ass raping too, but Fox News left that bit out.

Christ, between this and the announce trailer for MoH:W just earlier, I'm having a very happy day today.

Too bad it has to be ruined by school. Back to biology and depression now.

I understand his reasons. It was a rational choice. And they all deserve some jail time for being so fuckin' stupid. But I still don't approve of his actions. Betrayal is something I am familiar with unfortunately, and it's the worst feeling in the world when you're betrayed by someone you trusted. It makes you cynical beyond repair.

What he did was pretty fuckin' stupid in the first place, and now he's gonna be the one to get away with it. Not cool.

Yes yes EAT EACH OTHER!! >:D

Micalas:

The_root_of_all_evil:

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I always found this picture rather curious. I don't know how it's possible to so horribly screw up the spelling of the word "Nothing."

Oh that made me lol XD

OT, I find it half amusing, half concerning that even long after lulsec has become completely irrelevant they're still being hunted. I know, crime and all that, but it's just weird - I'm not sure I can equate ddos attacks against forums and front-end websites with real crime, though there was all that hacking m'larky - but if phishing people's passwords and account details is such a crime, where's the man hunt for those Nigerians - or is it only when you're white, middle class and politically active that the FBI will knock on your door?

Snitches gonna get shanked.

Pluvia:
No, I changed the subject to Anon, I know who Lulzsec are.

It's not transparent otherwise we would know who they are. If you demand transparency you must also be transparent yourself. I want to see the faces of the people who demand this, yet they hide behind a mask so they can hide from the consequences of their illegal actions.

Remaining anonymous is fine. Remaining anonymous whilst demanding others don't is retarded.

The only reason we demand transparency from our governments is because their actions affect our lives. Anonymous? Not so much. Anon aren't the only ones demanding transparency from our governments, pretty much everyone wants it. Total transparency in Anonymous would be absolutely stupid. The organization wouldn't function at all, so why even bring that up? And yes, what they are doing is Illegal, but as many people have said before.

"When tyranny becomes law, revolution becomes duty."

The founding fathers understood that for the US' political system to work for the people, revolutions would be needed on a regular basis. This is achieved either through massive social reform or violent reform.

I won't deny that Anonymous does some really dumb shit, but they also contribute a lot to citizens of the world. I don't see them as some super awesome force of benevolence, but I do see them as something that is positive when looking at the big picture. Governments SHOULD be afraid of their people, not the other way around.

I'm suprised they gave themselves usernames...

And that they were legible...

And contained no numbers...

And were clever...

Or amusing...

Lulzsec was a wierd one; they essentially emerged out of the genuine 'hacktervist' anon scene and really shit in the pool, lashing out and boasting like egotisitic spoiled children. They gave both the internet and some of the geniunely good work of some infomation-exposing organisations a bad name.

Lulzsec operated without regard for... anyone at one point even trying to take down the escapist (if i remember) becuase WE the users were calling out their bullshit. Their main mission was glorifying themsevles; their mission was to just be a needless pain.

I say let them rot in prison; they broke infomation laws without even the slightest reason or defence.

Zer_:

The only reason we demand transparency from our governments is because their actions affect our lives. Anonymous? Not so much. Anon aren't the only ones demanding transparency from our governments, pretty much everyone wants it. Total transparency in Anonymous would be absolutely stupid. The organization wouldn't function at all, so why even bring that up? And yes, what they are doing is Illegal, but as many people have said before.

"When tyranny becomes law, revolution becomes duty."

The founding fathers understood that for the US' political system to work for the people, revolutions would be needed on a regular basis. This is achieved either through massive social reform or violent reform.

I won't deny that Anonymous does some really dumb shit, but they also contribute a lot to citizens of the world. I don't see them as some super awesome force of benevolence, but I do see them as something that is positive when looking at the big picture. Governments SHOULD be afraid of their people, not the other way around.

I'd be much more scared of a faceless organisation that tries to hide from the consequences of their actions, and deliberately attack people who disagree with them, despite those people doing nothing illegal except having a different point of view, and who try to control with fear, than the government.

The government can spy on me if it wants, but all it'll find is I go to work, I play computer games, I drink at the weekend and I do everyday normal day-to-day things. I'm not scared of the government because I'm not stupid enough to believe the government would be interested in me, but I do get worried when a fringe group of anonymous tries to get my credit card information and attacks the Escapist because a majority of people there disagree with them.

"It was because of his kids. He didn't want to go away to prison and leave them,"

I understand this motivation, however i can't comprehend why "father of two" participated in illegal activities in the first place.

"It was because of his kids. He didn't want to go away to prison and leave them," a law enforcement official said. "That's how we got him."

That's terrible... I don't like Lulzsec, they're assholes, but exploiting a father's relationship with his children to make him betray his own organization... only a truly moraly bankrupt person unable to feel empathy can do that...<.<

Well shit, Mass Effect 3 and then this, it's a great day today.

From here it is a Domino effect. They are all going to rat out other people for shorter sentences. Wonder if it has to do with the 25 more arrested last week.

I am more concerned about the fbi charging and i hope not arresting two people that arent even US citizens.Does there own government even deal with criminals anymore or is easier not to worry and let the americans sort them out.

As i understand they were breaking the law but cant we use our own justice system on arresting and dealing with criminals anymore.

Hooray! More power to the FBI. Use every method available to burn these damn rats out of their filth-encrusted slime-filled holes. Use their kids, use their wives, husbands, college tuition, job, whatever it takes.

M. Bison was right. This IS delicious!

Don't worry, I'm sure the FBI are just doing it for the Lulz.

This kind of thing shouldn't surprise anyone, seems like any movie about hackers has some elite guy getting caught and then helping the authorities.

FamoFunk:
What a little bitch, ratting out your own people to keep yourself safe.

And playing the, "My poor Children" excuse; should of thought of that before doing it for teh lulz.

He was an informant before Lulzsec got started, I believe.

And if you seriously think he's a traitor, then you clearly don't understand how anonymity on the internet works.

Sacman:

"It was because of his kids. He didn't want to go away to prison and leave them," a law enforcement official said. "That's how we got him."

That's terrible... I don't like Lulzsec, they're assholes, but exploiting a father's relationship with his children to make him betray his own organization... only a truly moraly bankrupt person unable to feel empathy can do that...<.<

That or someone who realises that people are responsible for their actions and you shouldn't feel pity for people who deliberately commit illegal activities and bring everything that happens to them upon themselves. Even worse is you have to remind them that they actually have 2 people in their lives who are supposed to be incredibly important to them, so doing things that could sabotage their relationship is insanely selfish and stupid.

Seriously, if you can't do the time don't do the crime. Also, don't expect pity.

Well the pointless internet anarchy was fun while it lasted, also "We're chopping off the head of LulzSec" is a fantastic line. That the FBI are made to seriously say a sentence like that is a great laugh. Am I supporting Lulzsec you ask? No, but you cant deny it was interesting.

Sacman:

"It was because of his kids. He didn't want to go away to prison and leave them," a law enforcement official said. "That's how we got him."

That's terrible... I don't like Lulzsec, they're assholes, but exploiting a father's relationship with his children to make him betray his own organization... only a truly moraly bankrupt person unable to feel empathy can do that...<.<

That's not how crime and punishment works.

His options were "Go to jail, or become our informant." At no point did they say "We'll separate you from your children", that was just implied with the whole "go to jail" concept. What the FBI are (probably) saying is that his kids were the deciding factor when he made the decision to become an informant. Had he have not had kids, he probably would have gone to jail.

If anything, be happy they gave him an option instead of just throwing him in prison like they do to most criminals, children or not.

This is it for Lulzsec, but Annonymous - whose name is mentioned for some reason - has nothing to do with Lulzsec and has done "worse" (or better, depending on your perspective) and Anon is the real hydra.

Rorigon:
You're telling me the leader of LulzSec wasn't a badass hacker righteously standing up to the Man, but a slightly nerdy dad who crumbled at the first whiff of jail time?

What a shock.

There's a reason Anonymous is, well, anonymous. They'd all rat each other out in a heartbeat if they got arrested. Lulzsec kinda forgot that.

The sad thing is, this is so friggin' true it's not even funny. Hell, when Anonymous is in full-on troll mode, they won't hesitate to troll one another. It's a wonder Anonymous gets anything done.

Now if only we could have not given a fuck when LulzSec brought down site and still kept on slagging them and posting news about them. All we did was make them feel a little bad.

Andy Chalk:

Silvianoshei:
This is the only thing I don't like. Threatening to leave his children without a father or as orphans is a pretty terrible thing to do.

If you can't do the time, etc.

I know, right? If you have a single vulnerability in a website, Lulzsec went after you. Now this is the same thing, but in real life.

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MY GOD!!!

I completely forgot about these guys...

Cipher1:
The internet might forgot about you but the FBI sure as hell don't.

Isnt that the truth... Also your avatar somehow seems appropriate...

Sacman:

"It was because of his kids. He didn't want to go away to prison and leave them," a law enforcement official said. "That's how we got him."

That's terrible... I don't like Lulzsec, they're assholes, but exploiting a father's relationship with his children to make him betray his own organization... only a truly moraly bankrupt person unable to feel empathy can do that...<.<

Really? He broke the law. He can either go to jail or help nail more criminals (they do that with pretty much every criminal who has information on more criminals). He happened to have 2 kids and made jail even a less pleasant idea. Of course I bet even without kids he would have cracked.

So you think they should just have sent him to jail and let the others run free? That sounds way more morally bankrupt. You don't feel so bad (of course you do still send a kids dad to jail) and in the mean time more innocent people are victimized by criminals that are running free.

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