BioWare Uses Stock Photo for Tali in Mass Effect 3

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Aisaku:

Oro44:
Eh. Shepard is based off of Mark Vanderloo, Miranda is Yvonne Strahovsky, Liara is Jillian Murray, now Tali is....whoever the hell that is. No skin off my ass.

Liz Sroka.

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This is what I thought Tali should look like... http://fav.me/d2zcbd0 I guess it's not that bad, and in line with 'using real people to come up with character's faces'... Wonder who was the inspiration of Kasumi and Zaeed.

But the other, lazy, and blatant ripoffs... it's really really cheap of them. Is this the sign of Bioware not caring anymore? Or is it because they've been spread too thin due to SWTOR?

The thing is, those people they're based on are their voice actors, so it makes sense.

This was literally some graphic designer googling up a random image, spending 5 minutes in photoshop, and putting it into the game as the face of a character whose looks had been a mystery for 2 entire games.

Dammit, why did they even want to show a picture of Tali anyway? The most interesting part of her was the whole mystery thing. They'd have saved themselves a lot of fan bitching by just keeping it that way.

Aisaku:

Oro44:
Eh. Shepard is based off of Mark Vanderloo, Miranda is Yvonne Strahovsky, Liara is Jillian Murray, now Tali is....whoever the hell that is. No skin off my ass.

Liz Sroka.

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This is what I thought Tali should look like... http://fav.me/d2zcbd0 I guess it's not that bad, and in line with 'using real people to come up with character's faces'... Wonder who was the inspiration of Kasumi and Zaeed.

But the other, lazy, and blatant ripoffs... it's really really cheap of them. Is this the sign of Bioware not caring anymore? Or is it because they've been spread too thin due to SWTOR?

That's the voice actress but not the model they used. On that, I think I'm going to bow out of commenting on Bioware-EA threads. Too much negative energy.

Kind of a lazy cop out reveal tbh but im not that fussed really as a kind of expected them to come up with something dumb that was'nt in anyway based on the concept drawings they did years ago(or heck an actual image filtered through the concepts so we had something near enough) but that spoiler was completely uncalled for and should be removed from the picture.

I'm actually appalled, not just at this, but the whole horrible mess that is Mass Effect 3 so far. They had a million options and they (or their outsourced art department) came up with this?

Did they just... I don't know... bite off more than they could chew, or something? Isn't their number of artists above the usual percentage of the average AAA company? Wasn't there even one of them who could have been given the task of "design a Quarian face" (let alone all the other huge art and design problems inherent in the game)?

Bioware is a huge source of pride for Canadian gamers, but... I hope that can still be the case. I've been running into a lot of issues with them recently.

Daystar Clarion:

DVS BSTrD:
So they ruined Tali's revel?
Stop the presses.

Daystar Clarion:
A shit storm is a coming.

Okay people, come with me if you want to live, I have a bunker.

Honestly? This doesn't really bother me. It isn't going to lessen my experience of the game and I quite like the picture. What does it matter whether it's made from scratch or not?

Well, unless you're a Talimancer of course, but then you've got more things to worry about.

They couldn't even be bothered to give an alien character an original face?
Not even the face of her voice actor.
Not even the face of a model specifically hired for the character. No
They went to all the trouble of giving Ashley a make-over, and Tali gets dumped

It's just insulting.

I'm still finding it difficult to give a fuck, and I love Mass Effect, hell Tali is one of my favourite characters and I still don't really care, because compared to the clusterfuck of uncanny valley that is the Mass Effect characters, that picture looks great.

Some people don't like it, and that's fine, but with the way some people are carrying on, you'd think Bioware pissed on their grandmothers or something.

I'm sure it does (I made a point of not looking) but it's about the PRINCIPLE of it. And Bioware didn't piss on our grandmothers, they pissed on our Shepards. And I've been hearing bad things about the ending and the fates of certain characters.

Socken:

The thing is, those people they're based on are their voice actors, so it makes sense.

This was literally some graphic designer googling up a random image, spending 5 minutes in photoshop, and putting it into the game as the face of a character whose looks had been a mystery for 2 entire games.

And I agree it's lazy as hell, but still this isn't the biggest transgression on this front so far... ripping off random internet images for final product scenes? Ripping the damn Walking Dead for their marketing materials? It's disrespectful... of their audience, and of their own reputation.

Some acknowledgement, an olive branch must be extended. Otherwise the crapstorm will continue. At least tease some of the planned DLC... that would drain the wound, and give the naysayers something to speculate about.

I'm not upset that they used a stock photo. I am upset however, that it is a terrible photo, that she has hair when quarians aren't suppose to, and she is outside. Wouldn't she be in a ship? And her posing all sexy like that just seems out of character....

Also why is it so grainy? It's the future, I'm sure every damn camera is better than HD.

Everything about this reveal was handled badly.

First, they took the easy way out by making her predictably good-looking.
Then, they took the lazy way out by spending less than a half hour tweaking a stock photo.
Then, they phoned it all in by turning one of the most anticipated reveals into a three second scene using said barely-altered stock photo.

It's disappointing, yeah. I was all game for a massive UN-reveal that ends with just another tease, or a horrifying snake-tentacle monster-face, which would have been even more awesome (and a gloriously hilarious F-U to all the unhealthily-obsessed Tali-mancers).

Instead, the entire character will now be remembered as a dispassionate phone-in and not much else.

There's nothing about this that wasn't a massive fumble on their part.

Lesson they should have learned from LOST: When struggling with revealing a big mystery, sometimes it's best to leave it unanswered at all.

You know, at first, I was just a little bit upset at hearing that they used a stock image for the base of Tali's face, pardon the rhyme, but now, I just don't care, and for several reasons.

Firstly, it doesn't change Tali as a character. It does not affect her personality, the character growth shes gone through, and the only thing it does change is the image for whats under the mask.

Secondly, despite the method in which they came up with the final image of Tali's face, really, it doesn't look that bad. Shes kind of cute. And if all Quarian's look like that, there's potential for some really sexy Quarian babes underneath those suits, and for Kal'Reegar to pretty much just be an alternate, alien version of Jayne. Which, really, would make sense if you think about it.

And lastly, it doesn't make the game less fun, or draw me in any less. I'm still having a blast fucking up Cerberus, I'm still wanting to know how its all going to end, and I still had my Man-Shep make sweet love to her again, since hey, Tali is sweet. The shotgun helps too.

For all of those upset because of how they made that picture, yes, it does seem a little cheap, but really, the end result isn't bad. For those upset because she doesn't look like Dr. Zoidberg, well, I'm not really sorry you didn't get to have a laugh at the expense of those who decided to romance her, at least not because of that. Besides, you know that a fair amount of us would probably have romanced her again, anyway, even if she did look like Zoidberg. Or a Zerg, for that matter. I know I would've.

Hahaha. I love watching all this ME3 hate.

She was going to look either stupid, or exactly like a human anyways. You all asked for this. I'm not sure how relevant it is that this was a stock photo or not, if it was a GOOD stock photo edit you all wouldn't care. I think everyone is just angry that she doesn't look like the same Tali that they imagined boning under that space suit. Because, how could she? she wasn't Photoshopped by you...

I would continue banging my head on a desk, but by this point if I continue, I may not be able to type coherently.

Seriously? Is this the level of pettiness we've sunk to in this ridiculous crusade against the evil sins of BioWare and the "WORST GAME EVAH," Mass Effect 3? Honestly? This was just a bit of a lackluster face reveal. Nothing more, nothing less. Tali is still one of my favorite characters in the series, and this does not change her personality, character development, or just general likeability one damn bit. No matter what face was revealed, SOMEONE would have gotten upset. And apparently usage of photos = poor writing now? That's cool, guys. That makes perfect sense.

For the record, I've been playing Mass Effect 3 for the past two days, and I'm loving every second of it. Sue me, but it's true. I'm going to go back to enjoying my game now instead of bitching about any tiny shred of information that comes out of BioWare.

Greg Tito:

Statements like the above make it hard to understand exactly why people are upset. According to some, BioWare is lazy for using an image service instead of crafting the image from scratch, while others seem to use this as evidence for something else they didn't care for, like the writing. Could have BioWare have used a custom image? Yes. Does using a stock image diminish your experience of the game? No.

Wait, isn't this the same guy that praised Dragon Age II for it's "innovate gameplay and masterful storytelling"? Not a direct quote obviously, but the review was practically gushing. And we're supposed to trust this guy's opinion because...?

Does using a stock image diminish your experience of the game? No.

You couldn't be more ignorant if you tried. The fact that you said this makes me question whether or not you're an actual fan of the Mass Effect series at all or you're just a paid shill all dolled up on corporate endorsements from big daddy EA. The fact that a company actually spent money sending copies of their game into ****ing space only to cheap out on the graphics and art depart is spectacularly lazy design, intensified even moreso by the fact that this is supposedly a modern AAA developer.

Question why did they bother any thing they where going to do was going to get do was going to get a broadside side full of hate anyway thinking about it that probably why they did such a lazy piece of work

icnfde:

Greg Tito:

Statements like the above make it hard to understand exactly why people are upset. According to some, BioWare is lazy for using an image service instead of crafting the image from scratch, while others seem to use this as evidence for something else they didn't care for, like the writing. Could have BioWare have used a custom image? Yes. Does using a stock image diminish your experience of the game? No.

Wait, isn't this the same guy that praised Dragon Age II for it's "innovate gameplay and masterful storytelling"? Not a direct quote obviously, but the review was practically gushing. And we're supposed to trust this guy's opinion because...?

Does using a stock image diminish your experience of the game? No.

You couldn't be more ignorant if you tried. The fact that you said this makes me question whether or not you're an actual fan of the Mass Effect series at all or you're just a paid shill all dolled up on corporate endorsements from big daddy EA. The fact that a company actually spent money sending copies of their game into ****ing space only to cheap out on the graphics and art depart is spectacularly lazy design, intensified even moreso by the fact that this is supposedly a modern AAA developer.

If I had a quid for every time somebody hinted that part of the escapist crew are being payed for their reviews, I'd be a very rich man.

Say what you want about his argument, but please, stay fucking classy.

Daystar Clarion:

icnfde:

Greg Tito:

Statements like the above make it hard to understand exactly why people are upset. According to some, BioWare is lazy for using an image service instead of crafting the image from scratch, while others seem to use this as evidence for something else they didn't care for, like the writing. Could have BioWare have used a custom image? Yes. Does using a stock image diminish your experience of the game? No.

Wait, isn't this the same guy that praised Dragon Age II for it's "innovate gameplay and masterful storytelling"? Not a direct quote obviously, but the review was practically gushing. And we're supposed to trust this guy's opinion because...?

Does using a stock image diminish your experience of the game? No.

You couldn't be more ignorant if you tried. The fact that you said this makes me question whether or not you're an actual fan of the Mass Effect series at all or you're just a paid shill all dolled up on corporate endorsements from big daddy EA. The fact that a company actually spent money sending copies of their game into ****ing space only to cheap out on the graphics and art depart is spectacularly lazy design, intensified even moreso by the fact that this is supposedly a modern AAA developer.

If I had a quid for every time somebody hinted that part of the escapist crew are being payed for their reviews, I'd be a very rich man.

Say what you want about his argument, but please, stay fucking classy.

You obviously haven't seen his DA:II review then.

I never said paid reviews either, it's a known fact that a lot of these publications get deals on the side for giving positive endorsements, and spinning negativity around onto the consumers whenever something like this occurs. It's happened somewhat recently too when Activision threatened to pull advertising from a review site that criticized MW:3 only to have their PR agency pull an about-face and claim it was all a misunderstanding after a public backlash.

This is just lazy. Tali is a character that a lot of people know and love, so when you just copy some stock photo like this to represent what she looks like, fans do have the right to be angry. Now, if this were to be the case if the game's story was actually written well, I don't think people would be AS angry. But, considering everything that BioWare has done with ME3 that has angered fans as of late, this just fuels the fan rage (and rightfully so). Fans should really be vocal about things like this to show that doing stuff like this is unacceptable. We need to show BioWare that they really have done something wrong and not just write it off as a "who cares?" or "oh well!". I'm sorry, but I am incredibly disappointed with BioWare lately.

icnfde:

Daystar Clarion:

icnfde:

Wait, isn't this the same guy that praised Dragon Age II for it's "innovate gameplay and masterful storytelling"? Not a direct quote obviously, but the review was practically gushing. And we're supposed to trust this guy's opinion because...?

You couldn't be more ignorant if you tried. The fact that you said this makes me question whether or not you're an actual fan of the Mass Effect series at all or you're just a paid shill all dolled up on corporate endorsements from big daddy EA. The fact that a company actually spent money sending copies of their game into ****ing space only to cheap out on the graphics and art depart is spectacularly lazy design, intensified even moreso by the fact that this is supposedly a modern AAA developer.

If I had a quid for every time somebody hinted that part of the escapist crew are being payed for their reviews, I'd be a very rich man.

Say what you want about his argument, but please, stay fucking classy.

You obviously haven't seen his DA:II review then.

I never said paid reviews either, it's a known fact that a lot of these publications get deals on the side for giving positive endorsements, and spinning negativity around onto the consumers whenever something like this occurs. It's happened somewhat recently too when Activision threatened to pull advertising from a review site that criticized MW:3 only to have their PR agency pull an about-face and claim it was all a misunderstanding after a public backlash.

I did, and I also don't think DA2 was as bad as everyone made out.

Greg loved the game, it was in his top 5 of the year, reviews aren't objective, obviously he didn't think the faults of the game had a huge impact on his opinion.

Now, either provide evidence that isn't speculative, or stop hinting at what I know you're hinting.

Greg Tito:
Perhaps characters who are masked should stay that way. I'm looking at you, Samus Aran.

She was already "unmasked" with great detail in the 8 and 16 bit era.

OT: Now I'm even more afraid of playing ME3... but I just can't resist, I must see how Tali looks like >.<'

I really, honestly cannot understand what there is to get mad about here? Not trying to be an ass, I just really don't get the reaction. Could someone who is insulted by this please explain it to me?

Wow, and I thought the Asari were bad. Bioware must really work hard to be able to take all the myriad creative possibilites that an entire imagined galaxy provide and then only produce attractive human woman for the alien females. I don't suppose they manage to make up for it in other parts of the game do they?

almostgold:
I really, honestly cannot understand what there is to get mad about here? Not trying to be an ass, I just really don't get the reaction. Could someone who is insulted by this please explain it to me?

You have a table reserved at your favorite restaurant, it makes all sorts of delicious meals that you love. You've been waiting all week to go because the workweek was awful and your coworkers can't stop bitching about EA. You finally arrive, sit down and order something delicious. Your cook then completely forgets about your order, and 45 minutes later throws a TV dinner in the microwave, and that is what is served to you. That's why people are upset.

Fr]anc[is:

almostgold:
I really, honestly cannot understand what there is to get mad about here? Not trying to be an ass, I just really don't get the reaction. Could someone who is insulted by this please explain it to me?

You have a table reserved at your favorite restaurant, it makes all sorts of delicious meals that you love. You've been waiting all week to go because the workweek was awful and your coworkers can't stop bitching about EA. You finally arrive, sit down and order something delicious. Your cook then completely forgets about your order, and 45 minutes later throws a TV dinner in the microwave, and that is what is served to you. That's why people are upset.

Bold part made me laugh.

Let's imagine that stock photo didn't exist though, but Tali's in-game photo was still the same. Nothing has changed. The experience of playing the game is in no way different, but presumably fans wouldn't get mad.

Or is it just that most people simply don't like the way she looks, and the 'stock photo' aspect has little to do with it?

Talimanchers were going to be pissed either way... Stock photo or not! :P

almostgold:
Bold part made me laugh.

Let's imagine that stock photo didn't exist though, but Tali's in-game photo was still the same. Nothing has changed. The experience of playing the game is in no way different, but presumably fans wouldn't get mad.

Or is it just that most people simply don't like the way she looks, and the 'stock photo' aspect has little to do with it?

Oh I'm sure some would still be upset that she is just a reskined human, and that I can sort of understand. All of the ME races except Asari were pretty unique and not just humans with one different thing. Personally I'm kinda numb to it along with the rest of the hate. After digesting this information I remembered I actually kinda liked this pic:

It's upsetting because it's a reminder that the game is not a labor of love, it's made to fulfill a contractual obligation, not to make art.

"But games have to make money so people can get paid!" Sure, and Michaelangelo had to eat too, but he still made great art.

The worst problem about it is, why would Tali EVER risk taking off her mask IN AN ATMOSPHERE? She could get seriously sick from the inside of a very clean, top of the line space ship, why would she expose herself to all the bateria that floats in the air of any given planet?

Aisaku:

Oro44:
Eh. Shepard is based off of Mark Vanderloo, Miranda is Yvonne Strahovsky, Liara is Jillian Murray, now Tali is....whoever the hell that is. No skin off my ass.

Liz Sroka.

[picsnip]

This is what I thought Tali should look like... http://fav.me/d2zcbd0 I guess it's not that bad, and in line with 'using real people to come up with character's faces'... Wonder who was the inspiration of Kasumi and Zaeed.

There is a difference between 'we used this real person as a basis for creating this virtual character' and 'we used a photo we picked up from the internet for something that was quite important'. I guess they had money to throw at gaming site hosts for them to show up in the game but not to ask a model and a photographer to do actual work for them.

I'm not angry, Bioware, just disappointed.

I wanted to add that even though I think it's bad it's not as big of a deal as the fanboys will make of it, but I think nothing could be as big of a deal as the fanboys make of it and not destroy all of mankind.

Lazy? Yes. A big deal? No. Shut up, players. Good God, is that a pathetic thing to whine about.

JCBFGD:
Lazy? Yes. A big deal? No. Shut up, players. Good God, is that a pathetic thing to whine about.

How is this a pathetic thing to whine about? It's a character that a lot of people care about. When the reveal of Tali is this lazily handled, of course people are going to complain.

almostgold:

Fr]anc[is:

almostgold:
I really, honestly cannot understand what there is to get mad about here? Not trying to be an ass, I just really don't get the reaction. Could someone who is insulted by this please explain it to me?

You have a table reserved at your favorite restaurant, it makes all sorts of delicious meals that you love. You've been waiting all week to go because the workweek was awful and your coworkers can't stop bitching about EA. You finally arrive, sit down and order something delicious. Your cook then completely forgets about your order, and 45 minutes later throws a TV dinner in the microwave, and that is what is served to you. That's why people are upset.

Bold part made me laugh.

Let's imagine that stock photo didn't exist though, but Tali's in-game photo was still the same. Nothing has changed. The experience of playing the game is in no way different, but presumably fans wouldn't get mad.

You're talking about a fan base that gets angry at one day DLC. Because they have to pay to have the 'full' version of a game. One article (article! not a post, not a comment, an actual page on the internet, linked to a unique URL and everything) said that a version of ME3 without the DLC was 'obsolete'. Someone even mentioned that EA should have waited a month before releasing the DLC, as if themselves waiting a fucking month before buying the DLC was completely out of the question.

Also, I think Francis' metaphor would be more fit like this: The food arrives. It is an excellent dish, but the corners of the bread are burnt and bitter. This makes the bread taste noticeably worse. The rest of the meal is OK, but the chef was supposed to be a top chef and you paid a lot of money for this meal. You storm out of the restaurant in anger. Some people complain that the rest of the meal was probably great but you point out that burning bread is an error that no self-respecting chef should ever make and they begrudgingly agree. The restaurant refuses to return your money because they claim the food is a service and not a product and therefore is not refundable. Checking the bill, you find out they charged for the breadsticks.

The next year, I go to a different restaurant with a far worse chef and ask for the same dish. It inexplicably tastes exactly the same as the dish Francis ordered. I wonder way Francis paid so much more if he could just wait a while. I already know that the bread is burnt, but I have to eat it anyway because if I don't the dessert will taste worse. Later that year I manage to exchange that meal that I've already eaten for a different meal. The restaurant hates that I did that and changes that guy for the breadsticks again, even though I didn't eat all of mine.

icnfde:

Does using a stock image diminish your experience of the game? No.

You couldn't be more ignorant if you tried. The fact that you said this makes me question whether or not you're an actual fan of the Mass Effect series at all or you're just a paid shill all dolled up on corporate endorsements from big daddy EA. The fact that a company actually spent money sending copies of their game into ****ing space only to cheap out on the graphics and art depart is spectacularly lazy design, intensified even moreso by the fact that this is supposedly a modern AAA developer.

Greg meant to say that it does not diminish one's experience of the game. One's experience of the game is based only on how the game performs by itself, regardless of outside events. You could argue that if Bioware is going the cheap route on this it might mean they didn't put as much effort as would be advisable on the rest of the game and thus this is an indicator that its quality might be lower than the company would be able to perform, and I would agree; but instead you chose to attack Greg directly and ignore his word choice, as is common for an Activision paid drone. That's right, drone, I have discovered your presence on a forum, thus now you must kill yourself to preserve your family's honour and give me all of the dirty money Activision has given you, as is drone custom. I'll PM you my Paypal name shortly.

JCBFGD:
Lazy? Yes. A big deal? No. Shut up, players. Good God, is that a pathetic thing to whine about.

Yeah, god forbid people are anticipating the unveiling of an important plot character in the final installment of an RPG series. What a bunch of entitled basement dwellers!

http://kotaku.com/5817782/mass-effect-3s-makers-arent-ready-for-talis-closeup

Hey look, Kotaku did an article on it, I guess everyone should care now?

In retrospect, those quotes from Casey Hudson are hilarious. What kind of debate where they having when they decided to just can it and rip a picture off of Google images?

I've only played ME1, and really don't care what Tali looks like or anything, but If anyone is lazy it's Greg Tito for not taking the 20 seconds in MSpaint to edit out the major plot spoiler above the photo.

From a GameFAQs post, just had to repost it here because I thought this was hilarious:

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Who would keep a family photo with such a massive amount of lens flare anyway?

...Or was it quarian tradition to take up half of your family members face with lens flare while they are posing for a close-up shot like that?

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