Colleges and Employers Now Requiring Applicants' Facebook Passwords

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CapitalistPig:

Tharwen:
Why do they care? That's the part I don't understand.

Well as your parents told you the birds and the bees ill tell you the reason an employer wants to know if there pictures of you doing a keg stand on the internet. Oh wait I just did. People post all sorts of racey crap on the internet whether its their pictures or affiliations and verbal posts. The real world doesn't want to associate with your personal life, and yet people mix the two everyday by posting their personal lives while saying they work for a specific company. Same for schools. It should be a retrospective moment to understand why things have come to this. the younger generations have no filter and "Surprise" its catching up with them.

There are so many other reasons for this though.

Are you telling me you've never talked to a highschool friend when you were 16 and she was 15 about "sexxy stuff"? Maybe you were sexually active in highschool and you and your girlfriend occasionally talked about sex, making a passing comment such as "I got the condoms!" or something to that effect? Maybe you simply DISCUSSED sex, but had no interest in actually having sex with him or her?

I also know several people who turned 18 went to college but their bf/gf's were 17 and still a senior in highschool. Such relationships are questionable. Admitting to having sex while you're underage is illegal in most US states and would be an automatic redflag.

I'm a HUGE advocate that US sexual laws need to be revamped but there are TONS of other things too.

Discussing that you had a cigar at your 18th bday? Not enough to make the employer reject you, but definitely enough to raise your health care premiums by several thousand dollars. Have you ever smoked pot and mentioned it? Good luck finding anything in terms of jobs. Are you an avid D&Der? Yea... society still looks down on us. Is it apparent that you play(ed) games for 20 hours or more per week, at least at some point in time? Probably look irresponsible. Are you a crazy, gun-toting republican and your employer is a progressive that thinks guns are evil? Probably gonna drop on his list. Are you homosexual? Many states still have laws allowing employers to discriminate against them - even if you aren't a rainbow wearing, lisp speaking, wears-designer-brands-all-the-time stereotypical homosexual and they'd be non-the-wiser EXCEPT for that facebook.

I can go on and on and on about this stuff. Bottom line, it needs to change. Now.

At any rate, I'm gonna be saying good bye to facebook real soon!

It seems to me that a requirement to friend someone or the company would require a Facebook account and in turn, the password to that account.

Sharing your password with anyone is against the Terms and Conditions that everyone agrees to when they create a Facebook account.

8. You will not share your password, (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account.

So not only are these companies breaking privacy legislation, but they are also breaking the incitement to breach of contract legislation.

I would tell them where to stick their job, in no uncertain terms.

Mimsofthedawg:
How about the fifth amendment right to not be FORCED to give someone something if it has convicting evidence?

Just to clarify, a job interview is generally not going to have someone arrested and put on trial.

Even less reason for me to use facebook, or actually nay, finally something to do with my facebook: handing it over to my employers and uni.

This way rather then it being my friends who hijack my facebook and post silly wallposts, it will be my boss and dean instead.

I'm happy about this, because a great deal of people will refuse to surrender that information (Or they give it up, then what their bosses find doesn't please them). More jobs for me! Woo!

I can understand why this is being done. There are a staggering number of people on Facebook who are willing to name their job title and the company they work for in very specific terms... While simultaneously posting about how wasted they got last night. It reflects very poorly on the company.

But I imagine people will sidestep this the same way they sidestep having family members added on Facebook; separate accounts. I personally know many people who maintain separate FB accounts, one for their social life and one for their family life.

If that doesn't turn out to be the case, maybe this will end up being the straw that broke the camel's back, prompting a mass exodus of Facebook for Google Plus or some other social network. It happened with MySpace, after all, and Friendster before that. No social network empire lasts forever.

Hookah:
Don't worry Americans, you can use your freedom to bear arms to prevent this, like your always banging on about.

HAH this post is full of win. :D

OT whilst this is wrong, its just another example of the many ways your legal system is so backward.

If an employer would ask for anything like that I would calmly pull out my phone and unlock it, hand it over to him, tell him to check through my emails, pull out my wallet, throw it on his desk, and while he's looking down at my wallet, pull my pants down and spread my butt cheeks right in front of him and tell him he's free to check up my ass-hole while he's at it. Then I'd pick everything back up, sit down, and very normally ask him if I've got the job.

The_root_of_all_evil:
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Dear US of A,

Get this. Soon.

Root.

PS. Otherwise, ditch Bookface or at least get another account.

Yaaaas, Britannia 1 US 0.

Still, this is utterly utterly disgusting. I don't see how ANYONE can advocate this. Its literally like saying to someone at an interview

"Okay, now repeat every lewd joke or comment you have made to a friend in private. Also, we won't be taking context into account, just the literal word. Thankyou"

I have absolutely ZERO sympathy over this.

Facebook, a site notorious for not only having no concept on what privacy is, is known for being one of the most notorious sites for killing the anonymity of the internet because of its users ignorance in supplying actual information to it.

Perpetuated by a generation of people who have no concept of how killing the anonymity of the internet is a bad thing.

And who have no problem volunteering personal data to anyone who wants to look at it, be it tracking cookies, snooping programs like steam and origin or simple marketing research. How many give your actual information like your address when your trying to buy batteries at radio shack? How about giving your phone number when starting up new internet service? How about giving your doctor your email address? People have been trained in voluntary compliance and they do not even comprehend how they are fucking every one by doing so.

If you set back and thought "hey why should I care" or "this doesnt effect me" or "I have nothing to hide" or did absolutely nothing to protect your identity online then you know what? Stow your criticisms on this because your what created this sort of precedent because this is the illustration of HOW your fucking everyone else over.

You made your bed, now snuggle up in it.

Over my dead body they'll get it. Firstly I don't even use that bullshit. I see it as a waste of time under the best circumstances. Secondly, my private life is just that: Private. What I do at three in the morning when I'm off the clock is none of their business, and as such, they will not know about it. All they need to know about is how I am when I'm on the clock.

Anyone asks for it from me? They'll be told I don't have any social networking accounts. If they insist I make one, I'll make one telling them they can shove the job so far up their ass it comes out their ears, and to expect a call from a lawyer regarding an invasion of privacy lawsuit. My info, my rules, end of discussion.

CapitalistPig:

Tharwen:
Why do they care? That's the part I don't understand.

Well as your parents told you the birds and the bees ill tell you the reason an employer wants to know if there pictures of you doing a keg stand on the internet. Oh wait I just did. People post all sorts of racey crap on the internet whether its their pictures or affiliations and verbal posts. The real world doesn't want to associate with your personal life, and yet people mix the two everyday by posting their personal lives while saying they work for a specific company. Same for schools. It should be a retrospective moment to understand why things have come to this. the younger generations have no filter and "Surprise" its catching up with them.

Doesn't matter. What you do off the clock when you're with friends is none of a potential employer's business.

endtherapture:

Saldy FB is a massive part of social life nowadays, keeping in the loop with people and stuff. I only use it to attend events and inbox people, cos it save A LOT of money on texting, but you know. It's useful, just posting stuff is idiotic.

Idunno, I've never once sat there and said to myself "God damn I wish I was giving my personal information to Mark Zuckerberg and opening myself up to the largest collection of fucking morons this side of 4-chan".

It's not difficult to mass email everyone you know when you need to let them all know about something. I see no use for Facebook, and I don't have one.

I might make one though, if only to spam every page with "If you're reading this, and you're considering me for a job, you can fuck right the hell off. I made this account solely to hand over to asshat bosses that think they have any business in my private life. I don't have a Facebook account, but this should quite nicely sum up my thoughts about you and any desire I used to have to work for your company. Fuck off. My privacy is worth more than your job."

TheNumber1Zero:

Irridium:
What if I don't have a Facebook account?

My question exactly, among others.

Wouldn't be too worried about it though, seeing as they get my SSN already.
If telling them my non-existent Facebook Account's Password was considered a bigger potential threat/worry/bother than handing the dude running the local game store my SSN, I'd be rather worried about my paranoia priorities.

The key difference is your social security number doesn't point to information employers have no business knowing. It's given to confirm you're who you're claiming you are, to facilitate looking up your criminal record, and to confirm that you legally can work for them. These things are pretty fucking important for a potential employer to know, as it will let them know if you're an illegal immigrant, identity theif, or you're likely to steal from the company.

It doesn't link to your personal, out-of-work communications between your parents, your friends and yourself, things that do not have any bearing on employment.

Dense_Electric:

Fr]anc[is:
Solution: don't use Facebook. Nobody gives a shit about what you just ate or the song lyrics you just posted anyway.

That is one of the most absurd, ignorant comments I've ever read. Some of us use Facebook for communicating, it's far more convenient to send a message to twenty people en-masse instead of trying to call every single one of them individually. Try it sometime before you bash it.

Every email client released in the past fifteen or twenty years has this function called "Carbon Copy". It's usually abbreviated to CC. Use this to send one email to twenty-something people in one go. Fill up the CC box? There's another function called Blind Carbon Copy, which you can use to spam it to even more people. They can even be used on the same email!

You don't need facebook for that. Email clients have been able to do that longer than most Escapists have existed, and indeed, have been able to do so since before Facebook ever existed.

Samurai Silhouette:

Fr]anc[is:
Solution: don't use Facebook. Nobody gives a shit about what you just ate or the song lyrics you just posted anyway.

Yeah, because this is the only viable application for facebook. Not everyone that uses facebook is that superficial or connect with such type of people exclusively. :\

Just the majority. For every one sensible user you have a hundred fucking morons that can barely get their shoes tied in the morning without setting their hair on fire.

Or posting to their wall it isn't safe to text and drive while driving.

Hookah:
Don't worry Americans, you can use your freedom to bear arms to prevent this, like your always banging on about.

Don't be a condescending twat.

Kopikatsu:
I'm happy about this, because a great deal of people will refuse to surrender that information (Or they give it up, then what their bosses find doesn't please them). More jobs for me! Woo!

He who gives up their liberty for safety deserves neither.

captainfluoxetine:

Yaaaas, Britannia 1 US 0.

Get off your high horse.

viranimus:
snooping programs like steam

Steam isn't a snooping program. Steam hardware surveys are entirely option, and half the time you have to ask Steam to do it in the first place.

don't be stupid.

How many give your actual information like your address when your trying to buy batteries at radio shack?

What kind of idiot spends $6 for four AAs when you can get a 24 pack of Duracells at Walmart for just $9?

How about giving your phone number when starting up new internet service?

Don't have a choice when the internet service comes on that very phone line. My DSL is connected through my home phone line, thus, handing over that number is vital to my internet actually connecting at all. Besides, how's ATT gonna call and tell me the internet's gonna be down for six hours because some dipshit slid off the rainy road and took out the only distribution box for DSL service in my area?

How about giving your doctor your email address?

1: Only if I want my doc to email me something. 2: Disposable email addresses.

If you set back and thought "hey why should I care" or "this doesnt effect me" or "I have nothing to hide" or did absolutely nothing to protect your identity online then you know what? Stow your criticisms on this because your what created this sort of precedent because this is the illustration of HOW your fucking everyone else over.

So those of us who aren't idiots have to put up with a gross privacy invasion as well? Do note how the vast majority of people who are against this are people who actually value their privacy.

bahumat42:

Hookah:
Don't worry Americans, you can use your freedom to bear arms to prevent this, like your always banging on about.

HAH this post is full of win. :D

Actually it's full of asshattery and condescending rudeness. The kind of people that genuinely would bring the second amendment to bear here are the people we don't want having weapons in the first place.

TestECull:

bahumat42:

Hookah:
Don't worry Americans, you can use your freedom to bear arms to prevent this, like your always banging on about.

HAH this post is full of win. :D

Actually it's full of asshattery and condescending rudeness. The kind of people that genuinely would bring the second amendment to bear here are the people we don't want having weapons in the first place.

Don't pick on me ^^
Its a fair comeback, your nation does not seem to be able to shut up about the damn thing :P

Wow, how Orwellian of them. I would be tempted to tell them in no uncertain terms to go f*ck themselves if they asked for my passwords. Of course I don't use Facebook, but I doubt this is just about Facebook.

bahumat42:

TestECull:

bahumat42:

HAH this post is full of win. :D

Actually it's full of asshattery and condescending rudeness. The kind of people that genuinely would bring the second amendment to bear here are the people we don't want having weapons in the first place.

Don't pick on me ^^
Its a fair comeback, your nation does not seem to be able to shut up about the damn thing :P

It's a load of asshattery and condescending rudeness. You guys won't shut the goddamn fuck up about it and leave us to our own devices. There's three thousand miles of Atlantic Ocean seperating our nations, leave us the fuck alone about what we like and don't like already. It's not like we're over there trying to get your governments to lift their bans.

TestECull:

viranimus:
snooping programs like steam

Steam isn't a snooping program. Steam hardware surveys are entirely option, and half the time you have to ask Steam to do it in the first place.

don't be stupid.

Dont be gullible. The program still does it, It only asks if you wish to share it with steam. But that was not actually what I was talking about. Steam records all sorts of data that it really has no reason to have and does so on the basis of "offering you a better service" like what games you buy, what games your playing, how long youve been playing, etc.

How many give your actual information like your address when your trying to buy batteries at radio shack?

What kind of idiot spends $6 for four AAs when you can get a 24 pack of Duracells at Walmart for just $9?

It was the first common item to come to my head that I know all radio shacks sell. It does not matter if its batteries, 3.5 stereo jacks, HDMI cables, Replacement cordless phone NICAD batteries, etc any purchase you make at radio shack they will ask you for personal info they have no valid reason to have.

As for wal-mart.. what kind of idiot buys anything at wal-mart knowing that they are a major reason why the countries economy is fucked right now and a major reason why we are addicted to cheap Chinese shit products.

But the real question is.. Why bring up the point of where you buy batteries? That had not a damned thing to do with the subject of people stupidly volunteering personal information.

How about giving your phone number when starting up new internet service?

Don't have a choice when the internet service comes on that very phone line. Besides, how's ATT gonna call and tell me the internet's gonna be down for six hours because some dipshit slid off the rainy road and took out the only distribution box for DSL service in my area?

Hrm... Ohkaaaay that was directed at common broadband internet connections like cable internet or modern DSL connections that require no phone installation. As for AT&T calling to tell you the internet is going to be down? FUCK AT&T. I dont WANT them calling me cause Im pretty sure that if the Internet goes down I will be able to figure out its offline. And you DO have a choice because if you are not compelled to provide that info, you do not have to get service with them. However again, the phone number is not relevant. It is an example of the type of information that they simply do not need to have.

How about giving your doctor your email address?1: Only if I want my doc to email me something. 2: Disposable email addresses.

Its still none of their business to have that information, if you go out of your way to provide it, Ok, but you should have NEVER been asked for it. As for the disposable point, the same could be said for this whole issue. You could simply give a bogus facebook account.

If you set back and thought "hey why should I care" or "this doesnt effect me" or "I have nothing to hide" or did absolutely nothing to protect your identity online then you know what? Stow your criticisms on this because your what created this sort of precedent because this is the illustration of HOW your fucking everyone else over.

So those of us who aren't idiots have to put up with a gross privacy invasion as well? Do note how the vast majority of people who are against this are people who actually value their privacy.

Well yes, because if you hadnt given radio shack, your doctor and AT&T your information in the first place thereby creating the precedent that any entity that asks for your information you will willingly give it to, they would have never got it in their head that they could get away with asking for it. If people actually valued their privacy like your suggesting it would have never happened in the first place and quite frankly if your on facebook you DONT value your privacy because its clearly in their terms and conditions how they will retain your data, not remove your data even if you close your account and use your data for their own ends and are required to post only legitimate information about yourself and are not allowed to have "false" accounts, or else you signed up for something not reading the terms and conditions of it thereby being able to know what your getting into.

However, on this you are right. People SHOULD be pissed about these organizations asking for this info and SHOULD be fighting against invasions of privacy. I did not suggest that people should not be fighting against it. The problem is that the fight should have occured long before this became an issue. Now, the simplest and best way to fix this is for everyone to abandon facebook and when you go to some other form of social networking, dont screw over both yourself and everyone around you by putting in real information at the demand of an online webform.

So again, No. I have no sympathy for people complaining about a problem they created.

I'm guessing at this moment someone owes George Orwell a lot of money.

viranimus:

Dont be gullible. The program still does it, It only asks if you wish to share it with steam. But that was not actually what I was talking about. Steam records all sorts of data that it really has no reason to have and does so on the basis of "offering you a better service" like what games you buy, what games your playing, how long youve been playing, etc.

I've done the research. Steam does nothing I don't want it to do. But hey, I guess you can't see it through your tin foil hat.

As for wal-mart.. what kind of idiot buys anything at wal-mart knowing that they are a major reason why the countries economy is fucked right now and a major reason why we are addicted to cheap Chinese shit products.

Lolwut? Walmart didn't have a goddamn thing to do with the economy crashing. Watch the news once in a while, even with Fox and MSNBC's blatant biases you'd be able to gather that it was a combination of subprime mortgages, instabilities in oil-rich nations, wild speculation on wall street and general financial douchebaggery by investment bankers that crashed the economy. Walmart is, if anything, helping to fix it, as they sell things and the economy usually recovers when people buy things.

But the real question is.. Why bring up the point of where you buy batteries?

I don't know, you tell me. You're the one that brought it up.

As for AT&T calling to tell you the internet is going to be down? FUCK AT&T. I dont WANT them calling me cause Im pretty sure that if the Internet goes down I will be able to figure out its offline.

You conveniently forgot the second half of my statement. All you'd know is it's down. You wouldn't know if it was the router, their service, an act of God, a car crash, flooded phone lines, nothing. Me? I'd know exactly why it was down and how long until they get it back up.

The funniest thing about it? You're spazzing out over absolutely nothing. All I have to do is tell them to bugger off with the calls and they delete my number. They actually respect their customer's wishes in that regard, they only call you if you want them to call you, and only on things you want them to call you about....and if the account's not paid up.

And you DO have a choice because if you are not compelled to provide that info, you do not have to get service with them.

You want to run a competitor's lines out here? I'm out on the edge of DSL service. I am, quite literally, the last person on the node. DSL service stops at my driveway. There is NOBODY ELSE! It's either ATT or Dialup......which uses the home phone line as well.

I don't have a choice. It's either they have a home phone line, which I may remind you is kept only because it's required for internet service and isn't used, or we don't have internet. It's quite literally as simple as that, and unless you want to shell out the money to run competitors out into Bumfuck, Egypt, shut the hell up about it.

However, on this you are right. People SHOULD be pissed about these organizations asking for this info and SHOULD be fighting against invasions of privacy. I did not suggest that people should not be fighting against it.

Then stop spazzing out and calling all of them tosspots already.

So again, No. I have no sympathy for people complaining about a problem they created.

You're sitting in it too. Stop spazzing out and get to fixing. It won't get dealt with if people like you can't calm the hell down for five seconds and realize that pointlessly attacking one group isn't going to accomplish a damn thing.

No different than watching C-span, I swear.

Fr]anc[is:
Solution: don't use Facebook. Nobody gives a shit about what you just ate or the song lyrics you just posted anyway.

I saw an interview with an employer who regularly uses Facebook to research potential employees and they asked her what she would think if the candidate didn't have an account. Her response was that would make her suspicious. I presume she would think the same about someone who used their privacy settings properly.

Only way to win is to never do anything stupid and embody the values of your future employer from cradle to grave.

I'm sure there's an Orwell quote I'm supposed to put here but I'm sure you can find one for yourself

The_root_of_all_evil:
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Dear US of A,

Get this. Soon.

Root.

PS. Otherwise, ditch Bookface or at least get another account.

"Now why would we need data protection when the government will protect us? I don't trust the internets" - what I imagine is a typical response from a net noob.

OP: This is fucking stupid. I would quit using facebook altogether and/or have multiple accounts (more so than I do now /cough) just to throw them off the trail. I wouldn't mind adding them to facebook, but unrestricted privacy? Fuck off.
I suppose next they will want unrestricted access to personal files?

HAHAHA anyone wanting my logins for whatever can start looking for someone else sure my FB is thin and does not contain much, my mail though depends on witch one you mean since I as so many others have more than one...
This is the same foe everyone doesn't matter whether it's government, workplace, company or random person. You want to know what I have on it? You have to do as everyone else and hack them or have constant surveillance on me etc... If they do that I can at least sue them for it...
So glad I'm not American so that "patriot act" and other surveillance crap can go F themselves.
Sure I know they can(and probably are) monitor me anyhow but at least it's still illegal and if I find out I can rage on about it... Not that it matter or I can do anything about it...

/of to plant some fun stuff on my FB so employers don't want me..

Sweet! So what if potential employers can't legally ask your race, age, gender, religion, marital status or sexual orientation? Well now they can just log onto your facebook and see what you do on your off hours, who you kiss in photos (anybody say sexual orientation?), who you've dated, who all your family members are, your stance on various random things, all sortsa fun stuff that would be a violation of your rights to disclose in an interview, at least as far as U.S. law on the subject has seemed to be concerned in the past.

This just goes to show how tighter business regulation is a good idea. We need laws that disallow institutions from doing stuff like this.

endtherapture:
This is completely wrong.

Luckily I never post on Facebook, only use it for inboxing and stuff, but god, I would not want my job looking at some of the stuff I say there.

It's pretty much like asking for your email address, or to go through your phone. It doesn't have a place.

Fr]anc[is:
Solution: don't use Facebook. Nobody gives a shit about what you just ate or the song lyrics you just posted anyway.

Saldy FB is a massive part of social life nowadays, keeping in the loop with people and stuff. I only use it to attend events and inbox people, cos it save A LOT of money on texting, but you know. It's useful, just posting stuff is idiotic.

No, you believe that it's a massive part of social life, a lot of people see no need for facebook and don't have any trouble by not having a facebook account.

and it doesn't save that much money on texts.. unless you're having a conversation with your friend through texts (which is stupid in my opinion) then you're not spending more than $2-3 a week at most.

what if you don,t have FB or turn in fake account data?

Employers can force you to give them your account password legally?

Honestly, it's just more proof that the laws we have are created and enforced by old people who think the internet is some kind of toy. That's the only explanation for some of the nonsensical shit that is legal or illegal online.

I don't have a FB account, but I still say fuck that. Any company that believes in invading the privacy of its employees is one I have no interest in working for.

The Artificially Prolonged:

The_root_of_all_evil:
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Dear US of A,

Get this. Soon.

Root.

PS. Otherwise, ditch Bookface or at least get another account.

I second this.

That is seriously messed up. If I went to an interview and my potential employers where demanding personal information like this I would not want to work for them and would say as much in the interview.

Makes me irritable about the fact I'd like to live in America.

I believe it was once said: "Anyone who would trade freedom for security deserves neither".

If any employer or group leader ordered me to hand over my Facebook password, or be forced to accept them as a friend on it, I'd tell them to eat it and no longer associate with them.

Slayer_2:

Bymidew:

Slayer_2:
Say you don't have an account? Make an alternate one? What if you really don't have one? So many ways this is BS.

Obviously, this is intended to weed out stupid people, not devious ones.

Apparently, only the most technologically illiterate people who willingly give out their information to any online account. Lie or make a fake account, that's the beauty of the internet.

Except if they're that interested in knowing, there's nothing stopping them from doing a Facebook search for your name (a very large number of Facebook users use real names for offline friends and family), or even to find/look up your friends and family to get more information about you.

Honestly, I think back to a commercial which used to air after 9/11. It would say "Terrorists tried to change our country" and then it'd show houses with a bunch of flags and go "they succeeded." That commercial was trying to make it sound like we all got more patriotic (which is funny, cause it didn't feel that way), but really it was absolutely true.. just nothing to do with people having flags. They DID succeed in fucking up the US so it no longer trusts even its own citizens.

Im loving all these posters whos jobs are so awesome that they would never take a job from a company that wants to see their facbook. Good luck getting on the career ladder.

I dont use facebook and I live in the UK so this doesnt really bother me.

Finally all the "Just lie people"...

The easiest way to get fired is to get caught lying on your interview/application. I hope your face is nowhere on your actual facebook account.

Actually. Handing over your Facebook password to an employer/college is in breach of terms and conditions you agreed to when signing up to use Facebook.

It is highly possible for Facebook to close your account for doing so. I don't see how this is legal.

Hookah:
Don't worry Americans, you can use your freedom to bear arms to prevent this, like your always banging on about.

I think you confused the Fifth and First Amendment with the Second.

While I like the second a lot. My country only gives me freedom of speech. But regulates it. They could give me the second to compensate for it.

So glad I'm not an American....

Irridium:
What if I don't have a facebook account?

that's what I am wondering, or does the employers head explode at the notion of not having a Facebook account.

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