Notch Calls Origin "a Good Thing"

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Notch Calls Origin "a Good Thing"

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While the influential indie developer doesn't think EA's service is perfect, he's glad that platforms like Steam now have some competition.

One of the internet's most abundant and renewable resources is pure, unadulterated rage, and when it comes time to export, EA's digitial distribution service, Origin, seems to be on its short list of recipients. Markus "Notch" Persson, the infamous creator of indie whirlwind Minecraft, however, has a slightly different take, revealing to GameSpy that he's glad the service is available to gamers.

"I think it's a bit dangerous to only have one digital distribution platform like Steam," he said. "I love Valve, but out of principle, I find the idea of one platform a bit scary. So I like that there are others competing - for example, Desura and Impulse, who recently got bought by GameStop. It's a good thing that there are more."

But just because Notch is glad that EA has launched a competitor to the Steam juggernaut, that doesn't mean he's completely on board just yet.

"Origin does a couple things badly compared to Steam," Notch admitted, "which is impressive since they had eight years to study Steam."

During those eight years, Steam has established itself as the dominant force of similar distribution methods, boasting 35 million current active users, and an impressive peak of 5 million simultaneous users online. Compare that to EA's Origin service, which currently caters to only 9.3 million gamers, with only 1 million of those active per day.

Even though currently dwarfed by Steam, 9.3 million users is nothing to scoff at. Unless you're Notch, in which case the scoffing sounds a bit like this: "They should definitely have a chance to do their thing," he said, "but they might want to move away from titles that make people use it and show people why they should use it."

Still, one or two jabs aside, Notch still approves of the service, saying, "But I think, in principle, it's a good thing."

Source: GameSpy via Eurogamer

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EA + Origin...somehow = good thing?

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All things considered, I see what he's getting at. Competition does make for a better market; however, when I judge the worth of a person (or entity, in this case) by the sum of their dreams, beliefs and actions...yeah, I'm very skeptical of anything EA does or creates, no matter the intentions behind them. Not that being cynical of the whole corporate marketing thing helps any.

Cuz, you know, those seeds planted in my head long ago. Thanks Bill Hicks.

"Origin does a couple things badly compared to Steam," Notch admitted, "which is impressive since they had eight years to study Steam."

Origin: We should be an Android but we settled for a Zune.

Sorry Notch, gotta disagree with ya here. It's a piece of intrusive shit on a stick wanting to be steam without the ethic or goodwill to users. How much did they pay you? Better yet...who killed notch and replaced him with an Origin OS robot?

I don't get it. This guy makes one huge game, makes a lot of money, then throws the money around (albeit nicely to charities/other indies) and suddenly everyone hangs on his every word like he is some kinda new age messiah or gaming industry savant? I don't get it. What has he really done to deserve the attention he gets? Why should I care what his opinion is over someone else's? I'm not asking to be a dick, I really don't understand what is so special about him.

koroem:
I don't get it. This guy makes one huge game, makes a lot of money, then throws the money around (albeit nicely to charities/other indies) and suddenly everyone hangs on his every word like he is some kinda new age messiah or gaming industry savant? I don't get it. What has he really done to deserve the attention he gets? Why should I care what his opinion is over someone else's?

This, so much this. As Notch has already pointed out himself, he's made ONE game that he's not even sure he'll be able to top - why is now suddenly the freakin guru of computer game economics?

Notch shoving his own right foot down his throat. Again.

There is NO value in Crapigin. None. Maybe in 10 years there will be, but for the foreseeable future it'll remain an intrusive POS.

If you want to compete with Steam you have to offer something that it doesn't have and I'm not talking about titles. That's just being unfair to those who don't want to use that crap.

GOG has oldies, Desura and others have Indie games and other stuff. They each have their niche, but EA wants to flood the market with their shitty app that offer nothing of value. No service that isn't offered on Steam. So, why would I get it? To get "exclusive" titles? Nope. I don't want my games here and there tied to this or that other application. For me it's Steam or nothing.

Ok i'm sure he means the idea of Origin as competition for Steam is a good thing. Since apparently Origin is some sort of Anti-Christ of Digital Distribution.

Competition is always a good thing. Yes, even when Valve is involved. I've heard quite a few less than good things about Steam's (and Origin's!) customer service. Something about no refunds ever? I don't know. Pretty sure that's illegal in the UK at least.

I can see what he's getting at... simply that competition is a good thing, but Origin itself... not so much.

I think it's not necessary to repeat myself by scoffing at Origin, everything awful about Origin has already been said and with more hate.

Well more competition is good but there are plenty of other good distribution services like Green Man Gaming, Gamer's Gate, Impulse (if you don't hate gamestop).

Mike Kayatta:
"I think it's a bit dangerous to only have one digital distribution platform like Steam," he said. "I love Valve, but out of principle, I find the idea of one platform a bit scary. So I like that there are others competing - for example, Desura and Impulse, who recently got bought by GameStop. It's a good thing that there are more."

But just because Notch is glad that EA has launched a competitor to the Steam juggernaut, that doesn't mean he's completely on board just yet.

"Origin does a couple things badly compared to Steam," Notch admitted, "which is impressive since they had eight years to study Steam."

I don't see him calling it a "good thing" anywhere in the article, seems like more spin from the Escapist... he says that competition is a good thing, and I agree wholeheartedly. For instance GoG and Desura should definitely get more love.

Paraphrasing it he even says that "Origin is bad in comparison to Steam" actually, anything owned by a publisher with nothing else as a business practice than the greed for more money can't really be a "good thing".

Yeah, I'd rephrase that a bit. The idea of Origin as competition to Steam is good. Origin itself however, is simply not good compared to Steam. It's categorically worse. The only reason people are using it right now is EA's games that are exclusive to it, i.e. Mass Effect 3 at the moment.

The Wykydtron:
Ok i'm sure he means the idea of Origin as competition for Steam is a good thing. Since apparently Origin is some sort of Anti-Christ of Digital Distribution.

Competition is always a good thing. Yes, even when Valve is involved. I've heard quite a few less than good things about Steam's (and Origin's!) customer service. Something about no refunds ever? I don't know. Pretty sure that's illegal in the UK at least.

False. Steam has given out refunds, and quite easily in the past. A cursory 5 second google revealed:

http://www.lo-ping.org/2011/08/18/valve-to-offer-refund-for-every-sold-copy-of-from-dust/

I received a refund for my purchase of the Back to the Future game, because it did not work on my system. Many people have received refunds from Steam. You cannot and will not receive a refund for "Game sucks" or "Did not like game" or "Can't play game, too hard." This is not gamestop, they are not required to listen to bullshit excuses.

Prove it. Show me one proven case of Steam refusing to provide a refund to a customer for a legitimate reason.

VonKlaw:

koroem:
I don't get it. This guy makes one huge game, makes a lot of money, then throws the money around (albeit nicely to charities/other indies) and suddenly everyone hangs on his every word like he is some kinda new age messiah or gaming industry savant? I don't get it. What has he really done to deserve the attention he gets? Why should I care what his opinion is over someone else's?

This, so much this. As Notch has already pointed out himself, he's made ONE game that he's not even sure he'll be able to top - why is now suddenly the freakin guru of computer game economics?

It is quite funny to think that even the guy himself is saying they really should stop paying him so much respect n attention.

Yes, competition is a good thing. But is there really much competition happening right now?

Based on what Origin is currently doing, would Steam have to change at all to stay ahead?

Until Origin actually provides some benefits to using it other than being able to play EA games on the PC, I think I'll just keep not using it.

i see where he's going with that, but ....

EA needs to pull their heads out of their asses before I'd call Origin 'competition'. cause right now it just EA games right? and give how much people 'love' EA there no real intensive there, unless you HAVE TO HAVE ME3, or CoD (i think, or was it battlefield, they look the same to me)

Why is it that everything this guy says is worth a News? I mean, he isn't wrong, but this is obvious stuff, why is it all of a sudden News when Notch says it?

Also, I could be wrong, but doesn't Origin only sell titles that a EA Publisher in some way? If that's the case, they aren't really competition, more like a special little club just for EA.

Bradeck:

The Wykydtron:
Ok i'm sure he means the idea of Origin as competition for Steam is a good thing. Since apparently Origin is some sort of Anti-Christ of Digital Distribution.

Competition is always a good thing. Yes, even when Valve is involved. I've heard quite a few less than good things about Steam's (and Origin's!) customer service. Something about no refunds ever? I don't know. Pretty sure that's illegal in the UK at least.

False. Steam has given out refunds, and quite easily in the past. A cursory 5 second google revealed:

http://www.lo-ping.org/2011/08/18/valve-to-offer-refund-for-every-sold-copy-of-from-dust/

I received a refund for my purchase of the Back to the Future game, because it did not work on my system. Many people have received refunds from Steam. You cannot and will not receive a refund for "Game sucks" or "Did not like game" or "Can't play game, too hard." This is not gamestop, they are not required to listen to bullshit excuses.

Prove it. Show me one proven case of Steam refusing to provide a refund to a customer for a legitimate reason.

I 'unno sure I heard something like that once upon a time, damned if I can remember where from though. I suppose every business has their fair share of horror stories.

No need to go all defensive on me, I hardly even use Steam and you don't need to state the obvious. Of course Steam, or any other retailer for that matter shouldn't hand out refunds for such ludicrous reasons

I have no problem with competition for Steam. Neither does Gabe, as competition encourages innovation. However, Origin is a piss-poor example of something to encourage, and a person like Notch should know better than to blatantly support this crappy service. If Origin mimicked Steam with no visible difference, that would be no big deal. If Origin actually improved on Steam to the benefit of everyone, that would be awesome. Instead, Origin enforced its failings and instead is a service that supports EA much more than its customers. That is not a business model that should be supported or endorsed.

Bad Notch, no block for you.

The Wykydtron:

Bradeck:

The Wykydtron:
Ok i'm sure he means the idea of Origin as competition for Steam is a good thing. Since apparently Origin is some sort of Anti-Christ of Digital Distribution.

Competition is always a good thing. Yes, even when Valve is involved. I've heard quite a few less than good things about Steam's (and Origin's!) customer service. Something about no refunds ever? I don't know. Pretty sure that's illegal in the UK at least.

False. Steam has given out refunds, and quite easily in the past. A cursory 5 second google revealed:

http://www.lo-ping.org/2011/08/18/valve-to-offer-refund-for-every-sold-copy-of-from-dust/

I received a refund for my purchase of the Back to the Future game, because it did not work on my system. Many people have received refunds from Steam. You cannot and will not receive a refund for "Game sucks" or "Did not like game" or "Can't play game, too hard." This is not gamestop, they are not required to listen to bullshit excuses.

Prove it. Show me one proven case of Steam refusing to provide a refund to a customer for a legitimate reason.

I 'unno sure I heard something like that once upon a time, damned if I can remember where from though. I suppose every business has their fair share of horror stories.

No need to go all defensive on me, I hardly even use Steam and you don't need to state the obvious. Of course Steam, or any other retailer for that matter shouldn't hand out refunds for such ludicrous reasons

They will refund any game for any reason at least once, while explaining that this is a gesture of goodwill. Any further refunds must be for functionality reasons.

TheMadJack:
I don't want my games here and there tied to this or that other application. For me it's Steam or nothing.

Sooooo you don't want your games to be tied to an application, that's why you defend an application that ties your games to it?

Origin is stupid, but it's precisely as stupid as Steam. I'd rather not have either.

koroem:
I don't get it. This guy makes one huge game, makes a lot of money, then throws the money around (albeit nicely to charities/other indies) and suddenly everyone hangs on his every word like he is some kinda new age messiah or gaming industry savant? I don't get it. What has he really done to deserve the attention he gets? Why should I care what his opinion is over someone else's? I'm not asking to be a dick, I really don't understand what is so special about him.

This is the gaming industry. People have been dubbed messiahs for less.

Anyway, he's kinda right. Doesn't mean he deserves to be heard. It's sad seeing people already defending why Origin is a bad thing because it's not privacy friendly (like Steam) or because they only want money (like Steam).

Competition is a good thing, but Origin doesn't seem to be big on competition. EAs own titles are Origin exclusives and if successful could easily be used to lock-in consumers on that platform, in effect preventing competition.

I can imagine a scenario in the future where users are forced to choose between Steam and Origin and whoever wins that battle will be the platform that distributes games. Whenever there is a war about formats (Blueray vs DVD, VHS vs Betamax, Steam vs Origin) the user is almost always the losing part.

The title should say, "Notch Says Steam having Competition a Good Thing" The current title makes it sound like Notch is saying, "I love Origin."

There is a problem, though.

With more platforms arriving, there will be exclusive deals and we will have to have 5 different platforms installed.

On, the other hand, Steam with competition would probably mean more good deals from them. They would steamroll anyone.

shameduser:
The title should say, "Notch Says Steam having Competition a Good Thing" The current title makes it sound like Notch is saying, "I love Origin."

He wanted to get hits, remember that. A polemic title with an ordinary news piece.

It's kinda hilarious people care so much about Origin taking some random useless information and act like they are going to use it for the most vile deeds possible.

People who hate Origin, you're wasting your time, you're a random nobody that no one cares about. Certainly not EA. I'm a random nobody that won't get harmed by Origin as well.

Got close to 150 hours on BF3 and Origin has done nothing on me. It has done nothing on everyone who plays BF3. It will never do nothing on people who plays BF3. It won't do anything on people who uses Origin too.

I bet everyone generally just want to hate it because it's from EA. As it seems to popular again to hate EA and people love to do what everyone else does. If it didn't have that random information scan thing you guys would most likely hate it anyway.

I'm willing to bet that EA probably hasn't gotten around to use that information they gathered up because it might just be too much.

A little competition is a good idea. The problem are people behind the idea and the way that idea is executed. Steam awards their users regularly and they have amazing Steam sales. Origin is trying to force you to use their service without providing anything good in return. Even though some developers are forcing us to use Steam, I still want to use Steam because it's good. I actually prefer to have SOME of my games integrated into Steam because of some feature Steam has.

from the point of it being competition, its a good thing, really good thing, i wouldn't mind seeing more of the big boys try this.

but, to be a competition, you have to compete. When it is cheaper to get in my car, drive around a few Canberra suburbs, looking in every EB games, GAME and Dick Smith for it at a better price (and paying for parking at every point). That's not competing, that's punishing people for buying it directly from you. The thing about digital distribution is that there is no disc to buy and burn, no shipping cost, no retailer taking a huge cut and screwing you at every turn, no shelf space limit and no 2nd hand games to compete with.

oh, there's soooo much more wrong with origin, where it fails to compete with steam (and come on, its not rocket science, they could hire a couple of uni programming students and get a better digital distribution system).

so, the only good thing i can say is that their trying, er no, trying isn't the right word, their almost attempting to compete with steam.

On a fundamental level, he does have a point. Steam does need competition. However, Origin is not the way to go about it.
A point I would like to bring up would be that Steam is by no stretch of the imagination the sole supplier of digital download gaming. Just off the top of my head I can name: GamersGate, Direct2Drive, Impulse, Desura and Good Old Games. There is also the craptastic Games for Windows Live. And lets not forget OnLive.
The idea that Origin is necessary to provide competition with Steam is pure arse gravy. Even a cursory Google search on the names I have given will provide more than enough evidence that this is the case.
There are more options out there than Steam and Origin, you just have to look for them.

Zefar:
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Its the principle more than anything. I dont believe that they should have a right to that information, so Im not going to use their service since thats what they demand. ANd yes people would hate EA even if this didnt show up, for numerous reasons. Their terrible customer support, a lot of BF3 players hate the multiplayer/browser...thing, no cross platoform support for BF3 "Soldiers" or whatever they are. Its just numerous things layered on that people get sick of. ANd another big thing is their style of business. AS far as Im aware Valve is a private company and EA is a public. It means Valve can get away with faaaaar more fan service and less money orientated decisions since they arent waiting on the beck and call of shareholders.

Overall it really makes me sad about Origin since BF3 looks like an awesome game that I really want to play. The MP that is, the SP is meant to be terrible which also makes me sadface sicne this entire time I was rooting for them to have a better SP than COD.

OT: Normally I would be inclined to agree but in this case not so much. Normally having no competition would cause the sole market holder to be able to exploit that(many countries have laws disallowing monopolies) but we dont see that. Valve being private means that they dont have to go the full exploitive route and can just sit quietly and chug along doing their own thing without worry. If they were public then I suspect it would be more or a problem and competition would be appropriate.

Turning Notch's words around to attract more reader... really? He said "But I think, in principle, it's a good thing."

Cerberus is in principle a good thing. But the realization is awful. Same goes for Origin. He says that the idea of more competition is good.

Steam DOES have competition, $90 for Darkness 2 there vs $50 elsewhere.

1. They price discriminate based on region (BUT WE LOVE BLACKS), this is absolutely disgusting yet still legal under US law.
2. Unless there's a sale (and even then), all the games are more expensive than gamersgate, good old games, greenman etc.
3. I don't like to have intrusive DRM working (technically copy-protection is DRM too, but it's non-intrusive), and the idea that all my games could be lost at a whim digitally.
4. Valve are just as evil as other companies but many people are too dumb to realise this and I'm sick of explaining it.

We really need to get off of this. By "this", i mean every word Notch says. His word doesn't mean much compared to anyone else. As for Origin itself, i have my own opinion that matters to me. That's all i need.

And yes, the title was misleading. We already have people freaking out in the comments above, and eventually below mine.

The Wykydtron:

Bradeck:

The Wykydtron:
Ok i'm sure he means the idea of Origin as competition for Steam is a good thing. Since apparently Origin is some sort of Anti-Christ of Digital Distribution.

Competition is always a good thing. Yes, even when Valve is involved. I've heard quite a few less than good things about Steam's (and Origin's!) customer service. Something about no refunds ever? I don't know. Pretty sure that's illegal in the UK at least.

False. Steam has given out refunds, and quite easily in the past. A cursory 5 second google revealed:

http://www.lo-ping.org/2011/08/18/valve-to-offer-refund-for-every-sold-copy-of-from-dust/

I received a refund for my purchase of the Back to the Future game, because it did not work on my system. Many people have received refunds from Steam. You cannot and will not receive a refund for "Game sucks" or "Did not like game" or "Can't play game, too hard." This is not gamestop, they are not required to listen to bullshit excuses.

Prove it. Show me one proven case of Steam refusing to provide a refund to a customer for a legitimate reason.

I 'unno sure I heard something like that once upon a time, damned if I can remember where from though. I suppose every business has their fair share of horror stories.

No need to go all defensive on me, I hardly even use Steam and you don't need to state the obvious. Of course Steam, or any other retailer for that matter shouldn't hand out refunds for such ludicrous reasons

Ignorance is not an excuse for spreading misinformation. And I'm not being defensive. But I am sick and tired of uninformed people coming on these and other forums, and saying crap about how "Steam lies, and Steam is the same as Origin".

It sure as fucking hell isn't. Steam respects it's customers, and shows them respect through practically flawless customer support, constant rebates on games, continual support of older style code, (They personally updated the code for Quake 1 and 2 so it could work on modern PCs, not to mention their emulation of the Sega Classics line up).

Origin treats it's customers like mindless sheep. Maximum downloads per purchase, ridiculous pricing indexes, and my favorite, they reserve the right to ban you from your games, for infractions on their forums. Origin does not have good customer service.

Bradeck:

Origin treats it's customers like mindless sheep. Maximum downloads per purchase, ridiculous pricing indexes, and my favorite, they reserve the right to ban you from your games, for infractions on their forums. Origin does not have good customer service.

It lets me pay in my local currency, lowering the price of game, in comparison to Steam or any other Digital Distribution that assigns me to Euro zone by 20-30% on average. Until Steam let's me pay in my actual currency I see no reason to praise Steam.

Also Steam didn't offer refunds for Sword of the Stars 2, blocks game sales based on region despite those games being available on shelves in that region and, that's the kicker, requiring Steam to run.

Next thing is, if you say, buy a Steamworks game through Gamer's Gate, get the install files from there You still have to install it using Steam and if You get unlucky you might run into "Servers are derped currently, try again next year" issues that blocks You from even installing the game You paid for.

See, I can pull plenty of reasons why Steam needs to improve based on my personal experience. Truth is Digital Distribution, even after those 8 years, is still far away from state I'd call "good". All companies need to improve, and having competition is best way for companies to see reason for improvements.

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