Silent Hill HD Collection Miffs Series Art Director

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Silent Hill HD Collection Miffs Series Art Director

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The textures in the Silent Hill HD Collection aren't quite scary enough for the original games' art director.

Between passively evil small towns, Euclidean lunatics with gigantic swords, and tragic backstories coming back to haunt protagonists, there are some pretty scary things in the Silent Hill series. For Masahiro Ito, the art director of the first three Silent Hill games, the scariest thing about the recently released Silent Hill HD Collection on PS3 is a screenshot. When a fan on Twitter showed him a side-by-side comparison of the HD Collection games compared to their PS2 counterparts, the art director was not amused. According to Ito, the PS3 itself deserves some of the blame for its texture processing, but he remains incredulous that Konami would re-release an eleven-year-old game in such a condition.

The fan in question sent Ito a side-by-side screenshot comparison of two characters standing by a waterfront with fog obscuring the background. While in the original PS2 version, the fog rests atop the water and creates an eerie atmosphere, the HD Collection port presents a relatively clear view of the environment, only fading into the mist as the water meets the horizon. "I guess that it was a problem of PS3. PS3 has a weak point for using 'translucent texture,'" tweets Ito, where "translucent textures" refer to features like fog and mist. Aside from his analytical comments, Ito also tweeted his displeasure with the screenshots' quality: "It's poor ... It's really a released version? Really?"

While Ito has suggested a patch for the graphical issues, the PS3 does not process textures the same way that the PS2 does. In practice, this means that a patch would likely require more time and resources than Konami is willing to put in, as it would require a graphical overhaul. Based on the screenshots, the Silent Hill 2 portion of the HD Collection definitely has some visual issues, but do these take away from the game as a whole? If nothing else, it's probably much harder to be scared by the sights and sounds of Silent Hill when there's no dense layer of fog to hide them.

Source: Twitter via Destructoid

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They also cut the Pyramid head scene down, turns out it was a bug though.

Eh, don't care, my copys gone and my ps2 is in a box. Better to just play this. As long as they don't replace the guns with walkie talkies.

I heard they changed voice actors in silent hill 3? What about silent hill 2? I've never played any silent hill expect for Homecoming(which I thought was pretty good)

ForgottenPr0digy:
I heard they changed voice actors in silent hill 3? What about silent hill 2? I've never played any silent hill expect for Homecoming(which I thought was pretty good)

They changed SH2 also, but with that game you can change it to the original ones if you want, but not for SH3.

OT: Not really surprising since I heard that the fog was heavily used to cover the graphical limitations of the PS2, but it made the games really scary.

I have the originals still and my PS2 so I still don't have a reason to buy the collection.

Fiz_The_Toaster:
I have the originals still and my PS2 so I still don't have a reason to buy the collection.

Same.

I knew I was right not to bother buying this so-called "collection." 2 games out of a possible 7 in the franchise does not a collection make. Now that I have heard this news, not to mention the fact that the original voice actors were (mostly) replaced I think I'll definately stick with my original, functional and downright terrifying copies.

ForgottenPr0digy:
I heard they changed voice actors in silent hill 3? What about silent hill 2? I've never played any silent hill expect for Homecoming(which I thought was pretty good)

Goodness me... if you thought Homecoming was actually good, you'll be blown away by the original 3 games. Homecoming may have a higher texture resolution but the art direction is lacking. It may play slightly better in the combat department but it's still pretty dire, especially the dodge mechanic. It's certainly not as scary and the story isn't up to much either. Homecoming wasn't terrible in the strictest sense... but let's just say there are better Silent Hill games.

Proverbial Jon:

Fiz_The_Toaster:
I have the originals still and my PS2 so I still don't have a reason to buy the collection.

Same.

I knew I was right not to bother buying this so-called "collection." 2 games out of a possible 7 in the franchise does not a collection make. Now that I have heard this news, not to mention the fact that the original voice actors were (mostly) replaced I think I'll definately stick with my original, functional and downright terrifying copies.

"Collection" bothers me with this whole thing since it's not a collection, but a selection of the good ones. I really want to know why the original Silent Hill isn't in there since in SH3 there are heavy references to it, so that's also puzzling to me. Also, no offense to Mary Elizabeth McGlynn because I love her, but I don't like the choice of her voicing Maria because to me her voice just doesn't fit the character.

This whole thing just makes me very sad.

Ouch... if those screenshots are of the actual finished title, then I'm dissapointed by the new HD collection. Admittedly, those screens were of the PS3 version, we've yet to see how the 360 fares on the proper renderization of Silent Hill. And by proper I mean "It doesn't look like shit".

If I was one of the original art direction guys like Mr. Ito, I'd certainly be rightfully pissed too.

As far as I know, the PC port didn't have any of these issues.

What about the 360 version?

He's right to be miffed. Look at this shit:


I would like to thank Konami for giving me a reason to plug my PS2 back in. I'm definitely not buying this until those graphic and sound issues are fixed. And if Masahiro Ito is to be believed (and I think he is), they never will be.

oh wow

how did they mess up the water textures that bad

it's like we went back in time

Kakulukia:
He's right to be miffed. Look at this shit:


I would like to thank Konami for giving me a reason to plug my PS2 back in. I'm definitely not buying this until those graphic and sound issues are fixed. And if Masahiro Ito is to be believed (and I think he is), they never will be.

LOL you cannot be serious, is that actually how the PS3 version looks over the PS2 version? Aren't a series that supposed be re-released in HD, oh I don't know supposed TO BE IN HD. nevertheless I will be buying it because I never got around to playing it when I still had my PS2.

Kakulukia:
He's right to be miffed. Look at this shit:


I would like to thank Konami for giving me a reason to plug my PS2 back in. I'm definitely not buying this until those graphic and sound issues are fixed. And if Masahiro Ito is to be believed (and I think he is), they never will be.

No way...I refuse to think this is the case. How could it POSSIBLY look that bad

*Google for a few seconds...

My God...I...how.....what? Seriously Konami? This looks like someone painted a background on like those old PS1 games.

I think the worst part is that Jim Sterling is the only "official" critic who made these problems public. Gamespot's review barely mentions "performance dips" in SH3 only, IGN gave it 10/10 for presentation, etc. Only Jim had the professional decency to denounce this travesty.

SupahGamuh:
we've yet to see how the 360 fares on the proper renderization of Silent Hill. And by proper I mean "It doesn't look like shit".

Talvrae:
What about the 360 version?

Actually Jim reviewed it on a 360 and reports the same shit.
http://www.destructoid.com/review-silent-hill-hd-collection-224478.phtml

Fiz_The_Toaster:
I really want to know why the original Silent Hill isn't in there since in SH3 there are heavy references to it, so that's also puzzling to me.

Probably because they would have to more or less rebuild it from scratch to make it look good. The graphical gap between 1 and 2 is probably the largest in the series and it would take way more work then they had to put into the rest of the package to be successful. Besides, its already on the PS3 store and six bucks really isn't that bad.

The water thing certainly looks like a problem, I haven't gotten that far yet but I have noticed the transition to the fog is much sharper and not quite as good looking. That being said the rest of the production is excellent, with the only particular problem being some very slight framerate drag. I actually think the new voices are pretty good, though chances are I'll end up playing with the originals more often in the future.

I'm just glad its actually stable. My original copy I found a year or two back is for the Xbox and playing it on a 360 can lead to some annoying issues. Plus this will make it easier for people to play for the first time, hiccups and all its certainly worth that. Whenever the re-release/remake discussion comes up a lot of people seem to forget that not everyone had the chance to play these things when they were new (myself included).

Kakulukia:

SupahGamuh:
we've yet to see how the 360 fares on the proper renderization of Silent Hill. And by proper I mean "It doesn't look like shit".

Talvrae:
What about the 360 version?

Actually Jim reviewed it on a 360 and reports the same shit.
http://www.destructoid.com/review-silent-hill-hd-collection-224478.phtml

good to know

Kakulukia:
He's right to be miffed. Look at this shit:


I would like to thank Konami for giving me a reason to plug my PS2 back in. I'm definitely not buying this until those graphic and sound issues are fixed. And if Masahiro Ito is to be believed (and I think he is), they never will be.

Ouch... the water looks just as bad, if not worse than "Gundam Crossfire", which was, if not a release title, darn close to one. I mean god... the water just looks like an ugly... god I can't even really describe it.
And that fog...? It's about as subtle as going into Photoshop and selecting the "Cloud" option with black and white and slapping it over the foreground and character layer.

I mean it might help (or hurt) if the shots from both games were of the same area. See how the bit of light is shown coming through on the PS3 fog...

Just... ow... that literally hurts my eyes with how amateurish it's coming out to be.

Kakulukia:
He's right to be miffed. Look at this shit:


I would like to thank Konami for giving me a reason to plug my PS2 back in. I'm definitely not buying this until those graphic and sound issues are fixed. And if Masahiro Ito is to be believed (and I think he is), they never will be.

They should've gotten Bluepoint to work on the HD collection, because this is fucking sad.

At first I was all,

Then I saw this.

Kakulukia:

Now I'm all

Seriously, thats a disgrace.

I was actually looking forward to getting this.

Plans they seem to have a changed.

Marshall Honorof:
Accusation

Kakulukia:
Confirmation

Ohhh THANK YOU!!!! I almost bought it... almost. I was already a bit too upset it didn't have the original game, which is my favorite, and that was enough to already make me re-think this.

As much as I like psychological horrors, tangible horrors are more impressive to me. I liked the 'End of the world apocalypse' theme the first game had verses the salvation theme of the second game. The monsters in the first game where better to because they could just make any monstrosities they wanted, while they limited themselves in the second to special things relating to the main character. While that isn't too bad, as a huge fan of monster design that was very boring to me in comparison to what the first game offered.. ESPECIALLY with the final boss. I just laughed at the end of Silent Hill 2, and I know I shouldn't have. Silent hill 2 was still a spectacular game, I just think everything was better in the first (graphics excluded).

This makes me wonder if the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD collection is the same. I've wanted to buy it since it came out, just haven't had the money, but if the transfer to PS3 fucked the graphics, I might as well just try to find a old PS2 version. Anybody got the Ico/Shadow of the Collossus HD?

Screamarie:
This makes me wonder if the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD collection is the same. I've wanted to buy it since it came out, just haven't had the money, but if the transfer to PS3 fucked the graphics, I might as well just try to find a old PS2 version. Anybody got the Ico/Shadow of the Collossus HD?

They look pretty much the same, but SotC runs much smoother than on PS2. You should definitely get it if you're a fan.
Now that you saved 40$ by not buying Silent Hill... :P

Screamarie:
This makes me wonder if the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD collection is the same. I've wanted to buy it since it came out, just haven't had the money, but if the transfer to PS3 fucked the graphics, I might as well just try to find a old PS2 version. Anybody got the Ico/Shadow of the Collossus HD?

I do, and there's no need to fear. I have both the original Shadow of the Colossus and the HD collection. And I can tell you that the graphics and framerate have noticeably improved from the original.

Kakulukia:
He's right to be miffed. Look at this shit:


I would like to thank Konami for giving me a reason to plug my PS2 back in. I'm definitely not buying this until those graphic and sound issues are fixed. And if Masahiro Ito is to be believed (and I think he is), they never will be.

Geez. That looks bad. I don't know how you would mess that up.

Kakulukia:

Screamarie:
This makes me wonder if the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD collection is the same. I've wanted to buy it since it came out, just haven't had the money, but if the transfer to PS3 fucked the graphics, I might as well just try to find a old PS2 version. Anybody got the Ico/Shadow of the Collossus HD?

They look pretty much the same, but SotC runs much smoother than on PS2. You should definitely get it if you're a fan.
Now that you saved 40$ by not buying Silent Hill... :P

XD Actually I wouldn't have bought it anyways. Can't stand to play scary games, the interactivity freaks me the fuck out. So that's what youtube playthroughs are for!

But thanks for sharing your knowledge.

scorptatious:
[quote="Screamarie" post="7.356474.14139583"]This makes me wonder if the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD collection is the same. I've wanted to buy it since it came out, just haven't had the money, but if the transfer to PS3 fucked the graphics, I might as well just try to find a old PS2 version. Anybody got the Ico/Shadow of the Collossus HD?

I do, and there's no need to fear. I have both the original Shadow of the Colossus and the HD collection. And I can tell you that the graphics and framerate have noticeably improved from the original. [\quote]

Thank you for sharing! I actually have the original Shadow of the Colossus and I absolutely adore it, but I've always wanted to get a copy of Ico. Then I found out about the HD collection and thought "oooo I bet it looks awesome that way!" so glad to know I won't be wasting my money.

I think it's been mentioned before, but if you take the PC version of SH2 and put the graphic settings to maximum you essentially get a HD version of the game.

"I guess that it was a problem of PS3. PS3 has a weak point for using 'translucent texture,'" tweets Ito

But to be so weak that it's worse than the PS2? Really?
Yikes.
That's like saying that "the Nintendo Wii is great, but when it comes to rendering sprites the NES did it better".

So... for somebody who has always wanted to play Silent Hill 2 but never got the chance, is it worth the money I wonder.

When I noticed we only get two games in the "collection", I decided to wait until it's only around 9. After seeing the screen shots I'm not so sure I'll get it at all. Looks awful.

Kakulukia:
He's right to be miffed. Look at this shit:


I would like to thank Konami for giving me a reason to plug my PS2 back in. I'm definitely not buying this until those graphic and sound issues are fixed. And if Masahiro Ito is to be believed (and I think he is), they never will be.

How does it feel being the most quoted person in the entire thread? Really, I can't understand this. When I read the article I thought it was something minor about the fog not being quite the same and the water looking too bright and joyful. The water looks like a tragedy and not the kind of tragedy that adds to the mood. The kind of tragedy when they decide to make it in paint!
It looks really crappy. I don't know how it is possible to use better hardware and end up with worse results.

Yopaz:

Kakulukia:
He's right to be miffed. Look at this shit:


I would like to thank Konami for giving me a reason to plug my PS2 back in. I'm definitely not buying this until those graphic and sound issues are fixed. And if Masahiro Ito is to be believed (and I think he is), they never will be.

How does it feel being the most quoted person in the entire thread? Really, I can't understand this. When I read the article I thought it was something minor about the fog not being quite the same and the water looking too bright and joyful. The water looks like a tragedy and not the kind of tragedy that adds to the mood. The kind of tragedy when they decide to make it in paint!
It looks really crappy. I don't know how it is possible to use better hardware and end up with worse results.

To be fair, Konami had "Hijinx Studio" do the HD makeover. Also to be fair, Konami must have been high as hell, considering that Hijinx Studio's repertoire of amazing games consists mostly of crappy mobile and handheld games. I could see how the HD PS3 screenshot would be "high definition" in that regard.

Kakulukia:
He's right to be miffed. Look at this shit:


I would like to thank Konami for giving me a reason to plug my PS2 back in. I'm definitely not buying this until those graphic and sound issues are fixed. And if Masahiro Ito is to be believed (and I think he is), they never will be.

Why is that silly man in the PS3 screenshot rowing a boat through snowdrifts? Does he not know that boats are for water!

Yopaz:

Kakulukia:
Blah blah blah

How does it feel being the most quoted person in the entire thread?

Feels pretty good... After how many quotes do I get to be called an Internet phenomenon? :P

Oh man, this is depressing. On the plus side I got to read Jim Sterling's review in which he says that Silent Hill 3 is an "intense, stressful ghost train of mind screws". Yes. Yes that sums it up nicely. I'm glad I've finally found someone who put that into words.

I don't really know what to say except: this is real, it looks this bad, Konami knew but shipped it anyway. Silent Hill: Downpour, while not abominable, was still a big let-down, and now they're confusing a new generation of players with glitchy, well-lit re-ports of the old games. Few people understand the tightly weaved mythology of Silent Hill, and now they have to figure out three sets of VAs, glitchy textures, side-stories, not being able to find SH1, etc.

If, like me, you have the original SH 1-3 (plus 4), lend them to your friends before they get the HD Collection so they can see the true beauty of these games, unchanged.

Screamarie:
This makes me wonder if the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD collection is the same. I've wanted to buy it since it came out, just haven't had the money, but if the transfer to PS3 fucked the graphics, I might as well just try to find a old PS2 version. Anybody got the Ico/Shadow of the Collossus HD?

It is absolutely fantastic. It is the pinnacle of PS3 HD re-releases (for what that's worth). The best part is that the texture work and such were there anyway, but couldn't be seen on the PS2, so the HD clean-up artists really didn't change anything. Those games were the perfect candidate to be re-made in HD. It was a first-day buy and I definitely don't regret it...

In short, worry not. It's worth it!

These HD remakes are annoying. They aren't even going to bother releasing them properly? It makes me not to want to ever buy a Konami game again. It should not have been released in that condition. I chalk this up to no playtesting. People should be fired for making such poor decisions.

I played the game when it was first released and didn't find it to be all that frightening in its original itteration. However the story mixed well with the forbodding asnd mystical atmosphere. Which by the sounds of things this release undercuts.

Then again the terrible voice acting did largely the same thing so... Either way they (Konami) should have just re-employed Blue Point and done the thing right.

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