TV News Report Warns of "Cyber-Bullying" on Xbox Live

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I'll grant people the fact that the original video doesn't mention any specific game by name, and it's a big slip by Greg to add it in his article, but the video clearly talks about x-rated content and has a close up of a box with a big ol' M on it. It may not be call of duty, but the fact remains that if your kids managed to get their hands on a game that is either M or contains X-rated content, or both, the parents are to blame for not monitoring their child's activities. The advices given are sound but the first and formost advice is what everyone is raging about here: DON'T BUY YOUR KIDS M RATED GAMES. It's sad it's the only one NOT mentioned in the video.

AC10:

Vault101:
I feel kind of left out....

...I never get abused over mic....:( mabye that because Im on PSN and no one uses a mic (or Im not playing the right games)

Do you re-animate your avatar yourself? Seems like it's different all the time :P

yeah...

this one I did from scratch

Zachary Amaranth:

Thyunda:

I was always allowed to play games above my age rating, and I came out just fine. The problem here isn't that the kids are playing violent games when they're too young, it's that they're not being taught to handle it properly. I'm nineteen now and I STILL have reservations about swearing around family, and y'know, stabbing people is just out of order.

Also. Captcha - 'ear candy'.

I sense an ironic connection.

I was a teen before the ESRB was an industry-wide thing with big symbols on everything. I was playing stuff like Doom and Mortal Kombat and the like before they decided it was detrimental. I was graduating the year od Columbine, when shit allegedly got "real."

I don't know, I knew things weren't real on TV by the time I was five, well before my first game console. This always seemed obvious to me, but then, my parents paid attention.

It's kinda bizarre, isn't it? Haven't to acknowledge that some people aren't as mentally resilient as you or I, and that something as basic as Grand Theft Auto, the original games before shit got 3D, were actually capable of making people violent.

Apparently.

Thyunda:

It's kinda bizarre, isn't it? Haven't to acknowledge that some people aren't as mentally resilient as you or I, and that something as basic as Grand Theft Auto, the original games before shit got 3D, were actually capable of making people violent.

Apparently.

I'm not sure they're made violent. Maybe they're set off, but it seems like people already have some penchant. I mean, most video game studies at best show that aggressive people like violent video games. There is a link between violence and aggression and video games, but not link that sets them up as the cause.

I'm more the opposite. It's bizarre to me that I even need to quantify that I'm not going to shoot up a building any time soon. Most gamers are relatively normal. Especially if you include casual gamers. Because we run a spectrum and are human, there will inevitably be some crazies among us. but Charlie Manson thought he was getting secret messages to kill from the Beatles. Nobody ever assumes the Beatles are going to turn you into a serial killer. Well, not anymore. Kinda like that whole rock and roll scare. "If we let our kids listen to negro music, they will become overridden by animal lust and start fornicating!"

Pretty sure puberty had more to do with me having sex than Elvis or Lennon.

People have imitated TV, comics, music, literature. It will happen time and again, and with pretty much every medium. If some opera fan watched Der Ring Des Nibelung, would we crusade to shut down operas en masse? I'd hope not.

And you consider half the video game related shootings they use as examples aren't relly video game related....It's so messed up.

I think kids just need to learn right from wrong. That will help the 99% that can be helped. There are, inevitably, time bombs among us. As with everybody.

Now, I know it's partially unfair to blame parents. Parents have to work much longer these days on average to pull in the same cash. Kids are marketed to, and it's hard to monitor them when the model of one-parent-working is slowly going extinct. But it should be easier to instill right and wrong than to constantly monitor them.

And in other news, the sky is blue. The sun rises in the east. Fire is hot.

OH MY GOD THIS IS NEW INFORMATION.

Comando96:

As soon as she left... or rather after an Admin for the server went on a kicking spree and perma IP banned that kid, the first question asked was "did anyone record that shit?"

I don't think anyone did because most people said no, or I wish I did/could.

Aww, damn. Well, I imagine it would have been gutibustingly wonderful.

Comando96 post=:

rent if I had to choose. The news reporters report whats happening.
Just because they are reporting on stupid parents who haven't thought things through doesn't mean that they should be given a slap. They should be slapped if they don't ask the question "why are you letting your kid play on a game that says 15+/18+ on it?"

Did anyone actually ask that in the article? I skimmed it so I'm not sure if the journalist included it or not or if the piece was supposed to be as shocking as it seemed to be. I really wish someone had asked that of the parent. What about the person that asked a story be made on this? Is it possible this is an article from 2005 and no one published it until slow news week?

KiKiweaky:

Therumancer:
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I can see what your saying to be fair, the kids shouldnt be there in the first place, playing call of duty etc... but you and I both know that there are thousands of them online regardless of a games rating. I generally play on the pc so I hear alot less of them but my brief stint on xbox live I'd say I heard more kids talking than I did adults.

This bullying thing that you seem to agree with as a form of 'self policing' is a bit much though, the guys firing the insults arent doing it just because its a kid they're talking too I doubt many douchebags online give a toss what age the person they are insulting is. If the person being bullied deserves it or brought it on themselves all well and good fire away but if its just someone playing the game who's a bit younger than most, whats the problem?

The problem being that they don't belong there, saying that "well the kids are going to be playing anyway" and dismissing it, is EXACTLY the reason why we had that whole stupid fiasco with the goverment wanting to criminally enforce game ratings.

Now, you ARE correct that a lot of people are just doing it in general, but half the point is that an adult can just shrug that off, and a kid can't, which is the entire bloody point. If you wind out chasing the kid off, sure he might go and cry for a bit and not play the game anymore, but that's no worse than scaring one and running one out of a bar when they don't belong there. In the end it's the parents fault, who should have been paying attention to what their kid was doing to begin with, and probably winds up doing less damage than letting the kid do whatever they want.

Now granted, there are exceptions to everything. My attitude on how behavior should be in a very low rated, kiddie game, is entirely differant. Some dude goes into say "Hello Kitty Online" and starts swearing and talking all kinds of smack about differant groups of people (intentional or not) then he's the problem, especially seeing as he probably shouldn't be in a game intended for little kids to begin with, if he's there you expect him to be on his best behavior like in an elementary school or whatever.... but that's not really what this is about, nor is it the example given. As soon as the issue of pre-teens playing "Call Of Duty" came up any validity to any point the article was trying to make was wrong and it became 100% about the parents and what the kid was doing in that enviroment to begin with.

It's like sneaking your eight year old into a sex club, and then complaining because there are a couple of lesbians going at it on stage in front of him.

Johny64:
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There is no excuse to be rude, profane and downright mean to another person, in real-life or online.

I disagree 100%, but to put this into the context of the discussion there is a time and place for you to do that. By being "M" rated or even "T" rated these games are quite clearly marking themselves as being that time and place, and letting everyone know it.

It's like a horror movie, you bring your kid into some horrendous blood and guts movie and watch it with him, don't be surprised if he has nightmares for months afterwards. That's not the fault of the movie, it's your fault as a parent for bringing him there to see material that was clearly unacceptable.

A lot of people will argue that there is no reason for horror movies to exist either, but I disagree with that too.

The point is that these games are clearly marked, and even include disclaimers in most cases that the experience online can change what's listed on the pakcage. If you as a parent let your kid onto open CoD servers, you have no more right to complain than if you sneak your kid into a horror movie or adult sex club.

Decrying the negative aspects of humanity and it's needs in that direction, and the darker aspects of entertainment is all well and good, but it's out there and part of who we are. Exposing kids to that early on is NOT a good idea, they will grow into that aspect of humanity as time goes on. It's the job of the parent to actually be a parent and shield the kids from that until it's appropriate, trying to blame the video gaming community for something that is their own fault is outrageous.

... and as I said, I think a lot of this comes down to self policing. Bullying a kid out of a game where he doesn't belong is similar to scaring a kid that wanders into a bar and chasing him out. The damage is a lot less than letting him hack out where he's not supposed to be, and if anyone is the blame it's the bloody parent.

We as gamers have to take a degree of responsibility and this is a way of doing it. We got into that entire attempt to criminally enforce game ratings because nobody was doing anything about kids. Bullying a kid out of a game where he doesn't belong might not be nice, but it does show a bit of defensible community responsibility. If you don't like it, step in as a parent and ensure your kids aren't in that position to begin with.

Why are you letting people who aren't even in highschool play a mature rated game? Were you about to take them to Texas Chainsaw Massacre too?

Protip, parents: The game is rated M. For mature. 17+.
And online interactions are not rated by the ESRB.

I agree with most people here that this is ridiculous. One, this isn't news. Two, most games that involve any real player interaction online are rated M anyway.

However, why did ABC feel the need to include the fact that the average gamer is 33 years old? Yes, older players may be more likely to cuss when they are losing which I can understand a parent not wanting their child to hear. However, it's always people under the age of 18 in my experience who start trash talking in the first place.

You know, I was just gonna put a "You don't say?!" image here, but upon reflection, no, this is one of the few times the news has actually run a video game piece that doesn't either A. Blame the games industry for all the world's problems (In fact they do the opposite, and applaud Microsoft's efforts to control their userbase), or B. Tried to justify the censorship of teh media in order to 'protect the children'.

Yes this story is years late to the party, but honestly the reporters are -actually- saying that it's a parent's responsibility to protect their kids from this, not the government's, not the games industry, and not God's, but THE PARENTS'

So skip the sarcasm, thumbs up from me!

Sheila Broflovski put it best "Horrific, Deplorable violence is okay, as long as people don't say any naughty words!"

Granted she was talking about the MPAA but it can still be applied here.

This has probably been said several billion times, but why has an 8 year old been allowed to play Call of Duty in the first place. It's rated M for Mature, swearing wouldn't be the only concern. Are parents really that lazy to not make an informed decision on what their children can and cannot play? I mean, it's on the box for fucks sake.

SonOfVoorhees:
Look at Escapist, their rules keep comments insult free and those that bad mouth others are banned temporary and if they continue are banned permanently. Live and PSN need the same rules, gaming is meant to be fun and not make some kids face racial or sexual insults that have no relevance for the game they are playing. The internet just gives people free rein to act like arseholes as there is zero consequences to them from the person they are insulting. In real life these people are pathetic losers who would insult no one.

There has been a lot of issues in schools when kids are bullied and not much is done about it, i dont see why we shouldnt have this dealt with Live or PSN. I cant walk into a bar and call a random person a cunt without consequence, so why should it be ok to do so on an M rated online game?

I think the reason escapist keeps comments insult free is more of a community solution than rule patrol solution. sure the banning and punishing has filtered out the bad people over the years. but if we had the userbase of, say, eggsbox COD players we would not avoid it save for pressing ignore on half the forum. Gaming is meant to be fun, and for some people fun means insulting the opponent. We dont think its fun, while they may not think something else is fun that we consider fun. Both opinions are equally worth, and the reason we are the rulemakers is simply because we are a majority. Internet gives them free reign to be what they trully are without being punished for being what they really are. In real life they may not insult anyone because they are afraid of what that would bring, because sadly in our society the only right opinion is the one that punches all the people with opposite ones. On the internet however there is no such ability and therefore people are free to be what they want to be, and its no secret that majority of people are complete assholes.

"My kids hear bad language when they mutilate those men with a chainsaw?! Im baffled and infuriated by the trickery of gaming companies!"

Ok, a bit more serious: A good chunk of the parents in the world should never have had children, and a good reason for that is because they give a shit about their kids untill a news report on the holy box of lore tells them they should. Then they do what the square of prophecy said, and think everything is a-okey. Thats why news like this, things most of us find common knowledge, actually gets fired up now and then.

This is all well and good, but I couldn't help but notice the parts "8-12 years old" and "Call of Duty" being used in conjunction. Really, what are kids doing playing M-rated games in the first place? Mind, I can see where these people are coming from, but while all the trash talk and what not could use a bit of cleaning up, allowing your kids to be exposed to it by giving them access to games intending for people 17 or older seems to be a misdemeanor in and of itself.

Zachary Amaranth:

Thyunda:

It's kinda bizarre, isn't it? Haven't to acknowledge that some people aren't as mentally resilient as you or I, and that something as basic as Grand Theft Auto, the original games before shit got 3D, were actually capable of making people violent.

Apparently.

I'm not sure they're made violent. Maybe they're set off, but it seems like people already have some penchant. I mean, most video game studies at best show that aggressive people like violent video games. There is a link between violence and aggression and video games, but not link that sets them up as the cause.

I'm more the opposite. It's bizarre to me that I even need to quantify that I'm not going to shoot up a building any time soon. Most gamers are relatively normal. Especially if you include casual gamers. Because we run a spectrum and are human, there will inevitably be some crazies among us. but Charlie Manson thought he was getting secret messages to kill from the Beatles. Nobody ever assumes the Beatles are going to turn you into a serial killer. Well, not anymore. Kinda like that whole rock and roll scare. "If we let our kids listen to negro music, they will become overridden by animal lust and start fornicating!"

Pretty sure puberty had more to do with me having sex than Elvis or Lennon.

People have imitated TV, comics, music, literature. It will happen time and again, and with pretty much every medium. If some opera fan watched Der Ring Des Nibelung, would we crusade to shut down operas en masse? I'd hope not.

And you consider half the video game related shootings they use as examples aren't relly video game related....It's so messed up.

I think kids just need to learn right from wrong. That will help the 99% that can be helped. There are, inevitably, time bombs among us. As with everybody.

Now, I know it's partially unfair to blame parents. Parents have to work much longer these days on average to pull in the same cash. Kids are marketed to, and it's hard to monitor them when the model of one-parent-working is slowly going extinct. But it should be easier to instill right and wrong than to constantly monitor them.

That's another concept that bemuses me. This apparent immunity offspring possess regarding their actions. Never once does anybody say "The kid shouldn't be swearing over Live." It's always kinda victim-blaming - Why are your kids even playing that game? They're too young?

Well, I'm sorry, but the rating is for violence, not for language. They could be playing Viva Pinata online and they'd still get this kind of abuse - if that game had a competitive online multiplayer.
Now that I think about it, that's kinda horrifying.

Course, when us gamers appear to be the only people who are aware that games AREN'T the cause, it doesn't work...and since gamer is such a vague term it encompasses anybody who so much as possesses a Nintendo Wii, there is nobody that can actually defend it. It's like trying to say heroin is a miracle cure for cancer when you have a needle sticking out of your arm - even if it WAS true, nobody would believe you because you clearly have a personal stake in it.

But of course, the non-gamers, those who shun the abhorrent machine devils, they are the Enlightened Ones who have escaped the brainwashing and know the dangers of videogames, and the perfect world that was lost to the virtual violent hypnosis. Ah, the 40s. Such a peaceful time...no violence at all. The last bastion of serenity in a world quickly lost to degenerate gaming.

Thyunda:

That's another concept that bemuses me. This apparent immunity offspring possess regarding their actions. Never once does anybody say "The kid shouldn't be swearing over Live." It's always kinda victim-blaming - Why are your kids even playing that game? They're too young?

Good point, really. Though, to some extent we have this view of kids in all fields. Kids can't generally enter into contracts until the age of majority, can't drink, drive (until sixteen), have sex without it being considered rape due to lack of consent, etc. It's not surprising we offer it up to parenting. Parents are guardians of their kids in both a de facto and a very deliberate sense.

Well, I'm sorry, but the rating is for violence, not for language. They could be playing Viva Pinata online and they'd still get this kind of abuse - if that game had a competitive online multiplayer.
Now that I think about it, that's kinda horrifying.

Yeah, kinda. I mean, all it takes is one jerk.

Though as a sidenote, pretty much everyone in my school was exposed to swearing by age eight. Schoolyard, the bus driver, our own parents...My father let me listen to rap when I was ten because he figured everything I heard there was no worse than what I'd already heard "on the street." And it's true. Hell, even "nigger" was old hat to me. Incidentally, I'm still uncomfortable using the word.

The reason I bring that up is I'm always curious as to how much parents can even stop their kids from this content. I mean, my parents could stop me from listening to rap at home, but as my dad pointed out, I'd heard it all before. And it's not like it impacted my language much; one summer at my grandparents, they were shocked to hear me use the word "damn" once, even though I was like fifteen at the time and not a serial cusser. I mean, it may impact other kids' language. Who am I to say, really? None of us can speak for everyone, but the point is, a lot of kids already know this language before playing online. I'm not even entirely sure how much protection they need. In this day and age, it seems impossible not to be exposed to profanity, unless you're Amish or raised in a monastery. Like, if you want to protect your kids, it seems like you'd need a plastic bubble and home schooling, because swearing is pretty common these days.

Course, when us gamers appear to be the only people who are aware that games AREN'T the cause, it doesn't work...and since gamer is such a vague term it encompasses anybody who so much as possesses a Nintendo Wii, there is nobody that can actually defend it. It's like trying to say heroin is a miracle cure for cancer when you have a needle sticking out of your arm - even if it WAS true, nobody would believe you because you clearly have a personal stake in it.

There's also the element that we take information in rather casually these days. Rather than process what studies say, people run with the sound bite.

Using your drug reference, a lot of people can't even tell you what the negative effects of pot are. I don't smoke it, I don't condone it, but the fact is, people are all "POT IS BAD!" And can't even tell you why. Well, I can: They saw it on TV. Or some other media, possibly even on the interwebs, but we've got to the point of not challenging ideas at all. Look at the number of people who thought Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9-11 when the US went into Iraq.

On the flip side, the gaming community has had trouble being objective about this, too. This site has seen a ton of people outright deny any link between violence and video games, even though the link isn't causal. There's a lot of defensive hostility in the community. I can't entirely say it's without merit, though, since I've grown up with the pitchforks and torches.

But of course, the non-gamers, those who shun the abhorrent machine devils, they are the Enlightened Ones who have escaped the brainwashing and know the dangers of videogames, and the perfect world that was lost to the virtual violent hypnosis. Ah, the 40s. Such a peaceful time...no violence at all. The last bastion of serenity in a world quickly lost to degenerate gaming.

XD. I like that.

Earlier today, I made another post talking about the 50s, and how they were so much better. You know, as long as you were a straight, white, Christian male of middle class or better. Who hadn't been accused of communism, of course.

Pretty close to the 40s, as well.

weirdguy:
Next up on the news, beehives: do you REALLY know what happens when your kids play near one?

Heeheeheehee. :) Ok, that made me laugh more than pretty much any other comment I've seen for a month or so. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

I think the main point this article is missing is that "8-, 9-, 10-, 11-year-old kids" SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING M RATED GAMES ANYWAY. It's the parent's fault if their kid hears something bad on a game like that. I don't see parents handing their kids hard liquor and then getting offended the kid got drunk. Ya idiot...

I don't know about "dirty words" but cyber-bullying is definitely something to watch out for.

Parents are the worst, "Blame everyone else, but dont you dare blame me!"... If I hear one more person say "As a mother..." as though that makes the bullshit that follows anymore meaningful, I am going to throw myself off of a very tall building with the specific intent of landing on that person.

EDIT: I should prefice that "Parents" with... what? 75% of parents?

Zach Smith:
I think the main point this article is missing is that "8-, 9-, 10-, 11-year-old kids" SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING M RATED GAMES ANYWAY. It's the parent's fault if their kid hears something bad on a game like that. I don't see parents handing their kids hard liquor and then getting offended the kid got drunk. Ya idiot...

Actually, most parents who hand their kids M Rated games are fully aware of the the language. I just bought Bulletstorm on Steam a few days ago, didn't think twice about letting my kid play it. If he says the dirty words, I'll deal with it but as long as he doesn't, it's all good. The fact is that parents are supposed to accept the bad language at school because "the teachers can only do so much" but at home we are supposed to shield our children from it. What good does it do to shield them from it at home then send them to school? Further, weren't we all exposed to cursing in movies and at school when we were kids too? Is cursing really the end of the world?

I wish people would quit assuming that every parent is complaining just because some local news station ran a sensationalist story. Most parents aren't complaining about cursing and as far as XBOX Live goes, parents should be more concerned about what their kids say instead of what other people on XBOX Live are saying. That would solve a big part of the problem.

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