Internet Trolls Face Jail in Arizona

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jurnag12:
I have only one thing to say about being offended:

Damn Ninja'd!

I have to say though, i may be for comedic purposes, but this here is probably the most sensible thing anyone has ever said on this entire subject. Sure, it's not nice when someone's being a dick to you, but how on Earth are you supposed to attach any kind of legal significance to such a subjective emotion?

Steve Hughes is a legend.

At first I thought "Good. Guys are dicks and need to be knocked down a peg"

Andy Chalk:

"It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend, to use a telephone any electronic or digital device and use any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any lewd or lascivious act, or threaten to inflict physical harm to the person or property of any person."

Then I read that. And I just want to point out "Intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend..."

Annoy or offend. So Poking on facebook is technically a crime in Arizona. And EVERYONE can claim the "They offended me" defense and have someone thrown in jail. This isn't about trolls this is like Arizona saying "No Fun...Knock it off."

poiumty:

Andy Chalk:

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

Sure glad I'm not living in Arizona.

I think it's the "harass, threaten and terrify" part that is illegal. With that I agree.

But unless it's annoyance like calling someone 20 times a day forcing him to turn off mobile or abusing the door bell like a moron, it won't be punished.

NezumiiroKitsune:
Being offended should not give you any ability to take up legal recourse. If I've heard of anything that more of a waste of the court time, I can't remember it. Oh wait, it came one sentence later when they suggested that swearing or being lascivious on the booping internet was a criminal offence.

Clearly the state of Arizona are two days behind, so bravo, very wry.

If they are being serious, that's adorable. I do hope they thoroughly enjoy trying to enforce this.

Did any of you actually read the entire post? It's also to prevent some retarded 25-year old from threatening a 7-year old to come down to hit house while his parents are gone to kill his pet and rape his sister.

If you don't think this should be punishable, I don't know what is.

I would like to see how this is enforced
But this looks more like it's against individuals who harass the same person all of the time, a bully for instance
All in all it sounds pretty ridiculous to me

Anyone else temped to find sites for Arizonians and trolling the shit outta it?

poiumty:

Andy Chalk:

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

Sure glad I'm not living in Arizona.

A Red state that is making a law against offending or harassing people? Why do I get the feeling that this law won't be evenly applied. Bash on gays all day long? No problem. Say that Christianity isn't 100% correct? Off to jail with you.

Random Fella:
I would like to see how this is enforced
But this looks more like it's against individuals who harass the same person all of the time, a bully for instance
All in all it sounds pretty ridiculous to me

Where do you see that in the language of the bill? Nowhere. In fact, with the language of the bill, the very act of me questioning your interpretation of the bill could be a crime if you consider it harassment.

The irony is this law is likely to lead to legal trolling.

Any Arizona resident could willingly connect to 4chan knowing full well the nature of the content then promptly call the cops saying they have been harassed. This is like ordering porn in the mail and then calling the cops objecting that someone sent you lewd pictures in the mail... even though you ordered them.

This law doesn't distinguish between trolls defacing a memorial page on Facebook and people willingly entering troll-central or a porn website where everyone enters knowing what they are in for.

Or at least, that's the way the OP has presented this.

Sylveria:

Random Fella:
I would like to see how this is enforced
But this looks more like it's against individuals who harass the same person all of the time, a bully for instance
All in all it sounds pretty ridiculous to me

Where do you see that in the language of the bill? Nowhere. In fact, with the language of the bill, the very act of me questioning your interpretation of the bill could be a crime if you consider it harassment.

Indeed, but I'm saying that's how it will probably be enforced
There's no way they're going to fine someone for making one rude comment
and if they did then it would be very pedantic
I'm just saying it will probably be used more to prevent bullying, mostly cyber by the looks of it.

So if I tell the Arizona politicians behind this law to go fuck themselves I can be put on trial in Arizona even though I live in North Carolina? Seems like they're really overstepping their boundries here.

So republican anti-nanny-staters who cringe at laws like this in the EU, are making a nanny-state law in their own state

There is nothing reasonable about this. This is more a case of people learning to grow thicker skin and learn to ignore foul-mouthed people online. If you can't take the heat, get out of the room. You would do it in person. No game or social site is that important to require you to actually stay and take any sort of verbal abuse.
This idea is a really bad one, as it sets a precedent that people should just report anyone who offends them in any sort of way. It does nothing to help the person handle the real world where you aren't going to get everyone to like you, and there will be those who will call you offensive names just for any reason. Are we to start reporting those people as well? Last time I checked, we still have freedom of speech, and I do believe this law as it is worded crosses that line clearly.
Let it pass. It will get destroyed in the Supreme Court before you can say Frack You.

aegix drakan:
This bill is insanely stupi-*is arrested*

How fast do you think that fundamentalists will abuse this? Safe money is on "immediately", I would imagine. *sigh*

EDIT: My solution to the whole problem is to have a VERY visible "block" button on EVERY social media site and email service, and make it VERY clear and obvious how to block off anyone who you don't wanna talk to. Because I dunno if kids will think about doing that, or know how to do it. If blocking and stuff is made way more obvious, then it'll make cyber bullying much harder to do.

Exactly. Why should it be so difficult to just mute someone online? We can do it over the phone or TV, so why not online, anymore? Are we really sinking so low in our need to be online that we have to be liked by Everyone? In this quest do we have to get people fined if they don't like you? No. This is just one more reason why sites like Facebook are really a bad idea and should be encouraged to ration yourself on at the least. When someone's life you never met in person is more important than those you are around and have grown up with, then it is time to cut the cord.

Kwil:
Uh folks.. this law was always here, as Andy himself points out, all they changed was the word "phone" to "electronic device".

So tell me.. was there a huge rash of arrests of people swearing on the phone in Arizona before now? When someone from AZ pissed you off over the phone, did they find themselves in front of a judge? No? Well maybe we can ease up on the false butt-hurt here and realize that hey.. maybe the folks who enforce the laws aren't the complete morons Andy seems to be suggesting they are, and maybe this will just be used to go after the real a-holes.

Then again, maybe that idea is what's got you guys and Andy feeling threatened.

Call me crazy, but I prefer limits on government other than the honor system.

...that said, this is unconstitutional. Which means it's essentially symbolic. Still messed up.

poiumty:

Andy Chalk:

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

It's not what the law says, though. So no, Andy's not kidding you. He's just...what's that word? Literate.

poiumty:

Andy Chalk:

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

Sure glad I'm not living in Arizona.

Try reading. It helps you make informed statements

On topic, this just gives more proof that Arizona is all but lost and we should just erase it and start again

Have fun enforcing this, Arizona.

Kahunaburger:

Call me crazy, but I prefer limits on government other than the honor system.

It's not really the honour system. It's pragmatism in the case of hysteria.

All the more reason not to live in Arizona. Also, I don't see this bill working, playing Counter-Strike and threatening to kill someone during a game would make it near impossible to prove that the comment meant physical harm or the act of killing the player in the game.

I see lots of loop holes, which means more work for the government which means the bill wont pass or be enforced.

Troll now Arizona! Troll while you can! Troll so hard that they will rue the day they even considered putting you in jail!

Moo!

Andy Chalk:

"It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend, to use a telephone any electronic or digital device and use any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any lewd or lascivious act, or threaten to inflict physical harm to the person or property of any person."

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

I did read the rest of the article, but at first glance I was horrified. I was ok up until annoy. Annoy is terrible but you've got that covered. Offend? Well shit, i've probably done that with the phrase oh shit.

Obscene, lewd or profane language? Well fuck me sideways and call me a whore, i've just broken all three of those in an environment where people are ok with me to do it. Seems the government is out of touch there.

Hell, I don't need to go into the rest. But that did only require the once over for me to be all "fuck that".

Andy Chalk:
The trouble is that if it doesn't fail, we have a problem, and given the tendency these days to interpret laws to fit particular contingencies - declaring that waterboarding isn't torture, for instance - I don't like the idea of leaving it to chance or to the discretion of our law enforcement agencies. These are the people who made a disabled four-year-old child remove his leg braces for an airport search, let us recall. With that sort of person "watching out for us," I'm not inclined to take anything for granted.

No, these aren't the same people that did that. The CIA (our local waterboarding advocate) operates with very little transparency and oversight... and we could go volumes on the pros and cons of that, but that's a whole other thing. And the FAA is not a law enforcement agency. (It's a policy enforcement agency, if anything)

I agree this law has the potential to cause problems, in the short term. But the very broad comparison to these federal misbehaviors (which, quite tellingly, most people agree are misbehaviors) is a bit disproportionate.

Sure, someone's going to try to bring someone to court because the first party's kid called the second party's kid a dickbite over Live. And sure, it might make it to court. Civil court, most likely, but let's say somehow it makes it to criminal court... what then? How far do you think a case like that's going to get?

I don't have blind or complete faith in our system, but I also don't think it's good practice to start shooting at every shadow. Better to save our ammo for the real fights.

(To be clearer: I don't like the law as worded. I'd prefer it be revised, rather than passing. However, I don't think that a law like this passing is automatically some awful thing -- it would just require a few "aftermarket" adjustments in the form of judicial precedent. Wasteful, to be sure, but not the end of any portion of the world.)

Zachary Amaranth:

poiumty:

Andy Chalk:

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

It's not what the law says, though. So no, Andy's not kidding you. He's just...what's that word? Literate.

Hey I can do that too. You know, I could throw a disguised insult at you, but I'm... what's that word? Ah yes, not-a-fucking-douchebag.

As far as the law is concerned, well:

"It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend, to use a telephone any electronic or digital device and use any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any lewd or lascivious act, or threaten to inflict physical harm to the person or property of any person."

In case you can't follow the bold, what it says is it's illegal to offend by using profane or obscene language. In other words you can go to jail if you tell people to fuck off. Over the internet.

Reasonable. You know what, I take back my earlier statement. Arizona, fuck yeah.

This is ridiculous. It's like they want to outlaw shenanigans! Why would they want that? Don't they realize without such fun as a surprise Goatsee, Rickroll, or lemon party, the internet just wouldn't be the same? Do they really want to live in a world where shenanigans don't exist?

*facepalm* Dammit Arizona...This shit again?

Versuvius:
Oooh i hope Anon defaces government websites front pages with offensive and annoying images. Like ED's Offended page? Bring on the tubgirl!

Yup. Anon will undoubtedly be stirring up a massive amount of sh*t. This is explicitly and without question a move to censor the internet. Haven't been following Anon recently and I've heard it's gone through some political nonsense, but some hackers somewhere will do it (and they might technically be considered Anon simply because they're anonymous, although they might not gather at Anon's hubs).

poiumty:

Andy Chalk:

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

Sure glad I'm not living in Arizona.

For reference, here is the quote from the OP, as I'm gonna refer to it a couple times.

"It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend, to use a telephone any electronic or digital device and use any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any lewd or lascivious act, or threaten to inflict physical harm to the person or property of any person."

As someone who's big on individual liberties, I honed in on the "offend", "annoy", and "use any obscene, lewd or profane language". However, someone who doesn't have a strong opinion/isn't informed on such issues probably wouldn't notice those things right away.

aegix drakan:
This bill is insanely stupi-*is arrested*

How fast do you think that fundamentalists will abuse this? Safe money is on "immediately", I would imagine. *sigh*

EDIT: My solution to the whole problem is to have a VERY visible "block" button on EVERY social media site and email service, and make it VERY clear and obvious how to block off anyone who you don't wanna talk to. Because I dunno if kids will think about doing that, or know how to do it. If blocking and stuff is made way more obvious, then it'll make cyber bullying much harder to do.

*Amused*
Also, your idea of "make blocking easier" seems pretty useful, and should be implemented.

CrazyCapnMorgan:
As I said in a previous thread about this issue:

Arizona...

A place where they love people so much...

One Bishop Thomas J. Olmstead fired one sister Margaret McBride from St. Joseph's Hospital and excommunicated her from her church for suggesting abortion to save an 11 week pregnant woman, who was a mother of 4 at the time, suffering from Pulmonary Hypertension. This malady, Sister McBride and others believed would kill the mother and, in turn, kill her child. The Bishop later stated that, "An unborn child is not a disease...the end does not justify the means".

and...

Where the governor of the state worries more about supposed dead people in the desert than the live people thrown out of medical care and left to die because of the neccesity to balance their stupid, fucking budget.

Arizona: Proving there's more batshit in a desert than a cave.

One thing; that hospital is obviously a Catholic hospital and Catholics are deeply against contraception and abortion. Their hospital staff will do everything they can to save a baby before saving the parent, regardless of how early complications may arise. This is more of a mark against the hospital than the state. But at the same time, if people knew about this they could've gone to a hospital where the staff could be more concerned about saving the life of the mother.

Now Arizona is also a border state, I'm not sure where you live but try living down here and witnessing all the shit that goes on. Do you know that part of a state park is part has signs around it because of all the drug cartels running shit through it and their willingness to shoot anyone they don't recognize? I'm not in support of this bill but try understanding all the bullshit the region has before you make accusations.

This law offends me.

But seriously, I could probably end up in court for a dozen different charges by walking 10 meters away from my house. It's less scary/serious, more pathetic/annoying, even amusing sometimes.

Captcha: it happens
Yes, Captcha, it does, especially when an outdated law system is being reinforced in the 21st century.

poiumty:

Andy Chalk:

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

FINALLY! YES! Do this everywhere!

Welcome to the new America, where litigation replaces liberty.

Bhaalspawn:

poiumty:

Andy Chalk:

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

FINALLY! YES! Do this everywhere!

I think my lower jaw just hit the floor right now.

poiumty:

Bhaalspawn:

poiumty:
You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

FINALLY! YES! Do this everywhere!

I think my lower jaw just hit the floor right now.

THINK ABOUT IT! If this law goes into effect everywhere, sites like godhatesf*gs.com or similar sites have their members rounded up and arrested.

Sure some asanine little dipshits on 4chan get arrested too, but that's not a bad thing, really. Let's go Anakin Skywalker on these guys. Seriously.

Thank you for bring this to my attention Andy. I may be spending a lengthy time in jail. and btw i live in Arizona this sucks.

Kheapathic:

CrazyCapnMorgan:
As I said in a previous thread about this issue:

Arizona...

A place where they love people so much...

One Bishop Thomas J. Olmstead fired one sister Margaret McBride from St. Joseph's Hospital and excommunicated her from her church for suggesting abortion to save an 11 week pregnant woman, who was a mother of 4 at the time, suffering from Pulmonary Hypertension. This malady, Sister McBride and others believed would kill the mother and, in turn, kill her child. The Bishop later stated that, "An unborn child is not a disease...the end does not justify the means".

and...

Where the governor of the state worries more about supposed dead people in the desert than the live people thrown out of medical care and left to die because of the neccesity to balance their stupid, fucking budget.

Arizona: Proving there's more batshit in a desert than a cave.

One thing; that hospital is obviously a Catholic hospital and Catholics are deeply against contraception and abortion. Their hospital staff will do everything they can to save a baby before saving the parent, regardless of how early complications may arise. This is more of a mark against the hospital than the state. But at the same time, if people knew about this they could've gone to a hospital where the staff could be more concerned about saving the life of the mother.

I'd like to note that the hospital officials (also Catholic!) in this case defended McBride's decision. This was reported on abcnews.go.com on June 1, 2010 if you're so inclined to research it. Googling "sister margaret mcbride" would also yield significant data on this, as well.

Kheapathic:

Now Arizona is also a border state, I'm not sure where you live but try living down here and witnessing all the shit that goes on. Do you know that part of a state park is part has signs around it because of all the drug cartels running shit through it and their willingness to shoot anyone they don't recognize? I'm not in support of this bill but try understanding all the bullshit the region has before you make accusations

I live in New York. I could go on about the weirdness and oddities of my state (Mr. Palamino...er, I mean...Paladino would be a fine example) and the whole Muslim spying thing by the NYPD going absolutely ape shit...but we all have our stories, n'est pas?

However, with this recent bill proposal and Gabby Gifford's shooting still somewhat relevant in this issue, I say again...

Arizona: Proving there's more batshit in a desert than a cave.

Freedom of speech? What's that?

Hell yeah. Take away their video games too (like EA).

-Insert random child suicide numbers due to cyber-bullying here.-

-Insert 'Freedom of Speech' has never meant you can say what ever you want, nor should it.-

The right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, does not equal "I CANZ TROL U!!11!"

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