Internet Trolls Face Jail in Arizona

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Bhaalspawn:

poiumty:

Bhaalspawn:

FINALLY! YES! Do this everywhere!

I think my lower jaw just hit the floor right now.

THINK ABOUT IT! If this law goes into effect everywhere, sites like godhatesf*gs.com or similar sites have their members rounded up and arrested.

Sure some asanine little dipshits on 4chan get arrested too, but that's not a bad thing, really. Let's go Anakin Skywalker on these guys. Seriously.

You are seriously miscalculating how many people this would affect. Besides, it's not even about that. This is outright censorship. Thought police. Everyone gets angry at some point, and they should be free to speak their mind and deal with the consequences ON THE INTERNET. Not in real life.

poiumty:

Bhaalspawn:

poiumty:
I think my lower jaw just hit the floor right now.

THINK ABOUT IT! If this law goes into effect everywhere, sites like godhatesf*gs.com or similar sites have their members rounded up and arrested.

Sure some asanine little dipshits on 4chan get arrested too, but that's not a bad thing, really. Let's go Anakin Skywalker on these guys. Seriously.

You are seriously miscalculating how many people this would affect. Besides, it's not even about that. This is outright censorship. Thought police. Everyone gets angry at some point, and they should be free to speak their mind and deal with the consequences ON THE INTERNET. Not in real life.

I've gone on record saying that I'm not against censorship altogether. There are some things in this world that are objectively wrong, and not a matter of opinion.

I also think that perhaps a decade or two in which the majority of people in the world have no rights at all might get them to treat their rights like Free Speech with a little more respect than they currently do.

So long as they don't arrest someone for saying over the internet something that would be perfectly legal to walk up to a stranger and say in real life...

Who am I kidding, that's exactly what's going to happen. The telephone has special rules because it wastes people money and exclusively facilitates private conversations... the internet has that function, but trolling tends to be the equivalent of shouting offensive things in a crowded marketplace...

I'm curious as to why people say this thing can be abused because of how broad and up for interpretation it is, and then proceed to view it as a good thing. Is being specific too much to ask from a lawmaker nowadays?

Edit: Oh, and by the way, "offending" someone being a crime sounds just fucking grand.

Bhaalspawn:

I've gone on record saying that I'm not against censorship altogether. There are some things in this world that are objectively wrong, and not a matter of opinion.

And who gave you the authority to decide what's objectively right or wrong? Who gave anyone the authority? What if you're wrong? The last time people shut others up in accordance to their opinions of what was right or wrong, they called it the Inquisition and pretty much everyone right now can agree that it was a really really bad idea.

I think it's you who should learn to respect your freedoms, because they're other people's freedoms as well.

NezumiiroKitsune:
Being offended should not give you any ability to take up legal recourse.

It's called slander, and yes, someone can be arrested for "trolling" on TV, the internet should be no different.

While I think the wording is a bit vague, I fully agree that this would, after some changes, be a positive thing for the internet. Trolls SHOULD be considered criminals, they definitely aren't humans, that's for sure.

Next up: Griefers

Sylveria:

poiumty:

Andy Chalk:

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

Sure glad I'm not living in Arizona.

A Red state that is making a law against offending or harassing people? Why do I get the feeling that this law won't be evenly applied. Bash on gays all day long? No problem. Say that Christianity isn't 100% correct? Off to jail with you.

I question what rock you've been living under. Homosexuals get it SO easy in this country, that all they have to do is say the words "hate speech" and they get what they want.

Christians? They don't get a voice in any matter, and are always being laughed at.

Guess im going to jail now thanks for imforming me that when ever anyone dosnt like a joke i say i am now a criminal >.> some times i think everyone else in this state is ... oh i better not finsh that i dont have 2.5k to waste.

I think a lot of people are overreacting about this. Of course Arizon isn't going to can someone for saying "fuck you" online. Politicians do it themselves all the time (when the press isn't around of course).
The crime would only really be taken seriously if it's something like: "I will come to your house and beat the fuck out of you and your family." Now imagine that that's something being said to you over the phone. You'd be pretty creeped out.
So in most cases it would probably just be a restraining order and everything would be peachy again. In the worst case scenarios of harrassment and actual intent to terrify, the maximum penalty might be invoked, but the law is just a generalization and it then comes down to the court to determine the seriousness of the offence.
There is however one issue with the crime in question and that is that if someone has your phone number they can obviously find out where you live, making a threat all the more serious, but in some random online chatroom, not so much. That's something that will have to be addressed for this amendment to pass.

lmao

riiight .....

the retirement center of the mid west is butthurt about trolling on the internet :p

give me a break,

loc978:
So long as they don't arrest someone for saying over the internet something that would be perfectly legal to walk up to a stranger and say in real life...

Who am I kidding, that's exactly what's going to happen. The telephone has special rules because it wastes people money and exclusively facilitates private conversations... the internet has that function, but trolling tends to be the equivalent of shouting offensive things in a crowded marketplace...

True and those people can potentially be arrested for "disturbing the peace". And I don't see why the internet should be any different. I do, however, agree with the fact that there is a difference between telephonic contact and that via the internet, but for harrassment on one to be illigal and for the other to be totally unbound by the law seems like too big a gap to me.

Hmmmmmmmmm....well why not? This really doesn't bother me at all. I don't troll, so I guess I'm fine. Go ahead, I was always one of those assholes who think that we need harsher punishment. So is it bad for me to say I like the Turkish method of handling things? You know, catch someone stealing and they lose a hand? That sounds fair to me........I have a feeling a lot of people will hate me now.

PROTIP: If you think you are being trolled, that's because you are not

PROTIP Numero Zwei: All those actions are harassment. Why do we use a relatively new expression to replace "harassment"? Because we are retarded, trolling != harassment and there would be no point in making up a new term to replace "harassment"

You people need to stop throwing around buzzwords. I am tired with the "entitled", "hater", "you don't like it because it's popular" or even "boohoo you didn't like ME3 because it was sad".

Trolling is a art, defined by a series of well-placed and thought-out arguments regarding a subject, that may or may not be refuted by persons who are of lesser intelligence than the troll himself.

A art, one specifically designed to misdirect, anger, or confuse others by reporting meaningful information in a clear, coherent way." Many trolls will provide: solid, unbiased stances; proper usage of language (except in certain circumstances)); and will follow the rules of rhetoric, being careful to avoid such low moves as ad hominem fallacies, and straw man tactics. Generally, the troll occurs in a controversial, heated topic ((abortion, XBox360 vs. PS3, and trolling itself)) and tries to provide an outsiders' perspective on it, being as coherent as possible.

Ryan Kish:
Hmmmmmmmmm....well why not? This really doesn't bother me at all. I don't troll, so I guess I'm fine. Go ahead, I was always one of those assholes who think that we need harsher punishment.

The problem is...

Just because you posted that comment, I could accuse of trying to troll this board. Heck, if you replied to me and exposed all of your opinions on how I am wrong, I could easily say you are trolling.

Face it. Anyone who engages in any rational interaction is bound to be called a troll. In real life, people either say "you might have a point, but I still think I am right" or "I just think you have no clue on what you are talking about".

In the internet, people simply "LALALALA I AM COVERING MY EARS BECAUSE IF YOU DISAGREE WITH MY PERFECT LOGIC YOU ARE A TROLL AND YOU SHOULD BE BANNED, MODS PLEASE BAN THE TROLL BECAUSE HE HURT MY FEELINGS WITH HIS WORDS LALALA".

viranimus:
Wow. I guess in Arizona its not really the heat, its the stupidity.

Im starting to wonder if the internet should be its own separated entity that is devoid of any one governments leadership, and then force the internet to govern and police itself in matters like this because there are entirely too many "old men with money" trying to tinker with things that they not only do not understand have no interest in seeing as anything other than a lawless series of tubes.

Americans don't want to let go of it for some reason, because apparently the fact that americans receive the content means the person who provides it should be arrested, even if they live half a world away.

Hell, they can arrest me and ban me from a country I've never been to nor intended to go to.

DaHero:
It's called slander, and yes, someone can be arrested for "trolling" on TV, the internet should be no different.

A comedy show usually involves people who are stupid. Now, are you going to stop use contraception because some guy on the TV argued it wasn't needed? If you did, you would be blaming your stupidity on a TV actor who was just playing a character

Glenn Beck and Bill O'Rilley should be arrested for trolling too.

Basically what you mean is that a TV channel can't expose people to extremist views or play April's Fools jokes because our actions should be of their responsibility.

I am completely against the concept that we shouldn't be allowed to think for ourselves.

ElPatron:

Ryan Kish:
Hmmmmmmmmm....well why not? This really doesn't bother me at all. I don't troll, so I guess I'm fine. Go ahead, I was always one of those assholes who think that we need harsher punishment.

The problem is...

Just because you posted that comment, I could accuse of trying to troll this board. Heck, if you replied to me and exposed all of your opinions on how I am wrong, I could easily say you are trolling.

Face it. Anyone who engages in any rational interaction is bound to be called a troll. In real life, people either say "you might have a point, but I still think I am right" or "I just think you have no clue on what you are talking about".

In the internet, people simply "LALALALA I AM COVERING MY EARS BECAUSE IF YOU DISAGREE WITH MY PERFECT LOGIC YOU ARE A TROLL AND YOU SHOULD BE BANNED, MODS PLEASE BAN THE TROLL BECAUSE HE HURT MY FEELINGS WITH HIS WORDS LALALA".

Meh, good point. Although I'm pretty sure that the bill classified trolling as threats,annoying people, ect. But you do make a valid point.

Finally! I can call the cops on the aunt that posts eight hundred pictures of her kids every single goddamn day on my Facebook feed, and the uncle who keeps forwarding me chain emails whinging about how the muslims are destroying our freedoms. Six months in jail sounds about right.

1. Find e-mails of those signing up for the bill.
2. Email them just... something trollish.

That's all.

Dastardly:
No, these aren't the same people that did that. The CIA (our local waterboarding advocate) operates with very little transparency and oversight... and we could go volumes on the pros and cons of that, but that's a whole other thing. And the FAA is not a law enforcement agency. (It's a policy enforcement agency, if anything)

They're not the same badge, perhaps, but in a more general sense they are very much the same. People in positions of power and responsibility, who are supposed to be responsible for ensuring our safety and security, instead use that power to advance their own agendas.

The Department of Justice declares waterboarding legal. Arizona gave its police forces a mandate to demand papers from whomever they want. Different, and the same.

Oh shit I live in Arizona
I'm scared now I mean yes our leaders are idiots who've done horrible things like Pass SB 1070 but really? This is a violation of civil rights.

Yet on the bright side, we'll finally be able to clean up the CoD community!

(In all honesty, this is a horrible, horrible law. Someone protest this. Now.)

So you can have people around the world who anonymously call you s mean name because you were acting like a twat fined for upwards of $2500? Even though things like being offended or annoyed are subjective? I would love to see this enforced, if only to see Arizona law enforcement struggle to do anything about the guy a continent away who said your youtube video was shit.

Captcha: Tune In, tune in tonight to see Outlandish legislation regarding the internet fail some more.

poiumty:

Andy Chalk:

It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

You shitting me? "We arrest people for offending someone over the internet" is not too unreasonable?

Sure glad I'm not living in Arizona.

Didn't read the whole thing did you? The law specifies that either the sender or the receiver can be in Arizona and it will still be a crime

I, for one, can't wait for exhibit A. That's when they roll out the TV and rick roll the jury.

Versuvius:
So, can they extradite the whole of 4chan? I had better start using a proxy!

I think this would fall more on sites that have user names and avatars such as the escapist or Facebook. Not on some random image board you can post as anonymous or use a trip-code and get daily doses of strike witches porns.

That aside..well now this is just.. ah hell it's laughable to be honest good luck policing this and keeping people out jail/prisons. This really would help out there economy too because we all know that companies love to hire people with a back-ground...just a question to anyone that lives in Arizona, who the hell votes for these people??

While I'm all for jerks getting their comeuppance, it seems to me that if you're going to start trying to legislate good character targeting internet trolls rather than say, bigots or misogynists is like trying to swat a fly while your house is being surrounded by giant flesh eating spiders. Priorities, people. Christ and that's assuming that this bill is introduced with the best of intentions. Last I checked no one repealed the law of unintended consequences.

I am so glad that I live in Australia, the land of the (nearly) free and the (mildly) loigical

doggie015:
I am so glad that I live in Australia, the land of the (nearly) free and the (mildly) loigical

It only took you how long to stop banning M-rated video games?

him over there:
So you can have people around the world who anonymously call you s mean name because you were acting like a twat fined for upwards of $2500?

In theory? Sure.

In practice? Hell no. Any serious law official will refuse anything frivolous like that.

The law doesn't mean it's illegal to call someone an idiot online, it means you can't use e-mail or social websites to harass, annoy, and threaten another individual.

I could call you a moron, and nobody would care if you complained, but if I start sending e-mails threatening your life or safety, or post multiple profane or lewd messages on your Facebook wall, then this law can throw the book at me.

Buretsu:

doggie015:
I am so glad that I live in Australia, the land of the (nearly) free and the (mildly) loigical

It only took you how long to stop banning M-rated video games?...

That's why I put the (mildly) in!

That and the stuff going on about the MA15+ rating in SA...

Just a thought, we don't really have any rights. There's a bunch of 'shortcut laws' that are being made for their convenience so they don't have to go through as much stuff before charging the people that have gained their unwanted attention. I think this is just another shortcut for them.

To everyone, this bill is offensive and will oppress the people of Arizona.

To the people of Arizona, this new bill is just a Tuesday.

ResonanceGames:
Pretty soon Arizona will just be Jan Brewer and Joe Arpaio because everyone else will be in prison. I guess it'll be up to those two to repopulate the state.

Try to get that image out of your heads.

I CAN'T!!! Oh God... I tried but I can't....

ElPatron:

I am completely against the concept that we shouldn't be allowed to think for ourselves.

Sure, that's fine, nobody has a problem with that. It's fine to have the ability to think for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=596U_BwEVgM

This on the other hand, this is NOT okay. People like this should never be allowed into society. This is exactly what the internet has become, and if we don't act by ourselves, bills are going to crop up to try and combat this. While this isn't the flagship of the argument, that being hate-mail (another common internet act) it sure does target roughly the same audience.

It's simple, we can clean ourselves up now, or have the government force us to later. Since the internet won't change, I'll stand behind our government when the hammer falls on this barbarianism.

Andy Chalk:
It doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable at first glance

Then you should probably get glasses.

Arizona is indeed a very Christian state. I'm not shocked that a group of people notoriously intolerant would want to continue to make laws that enforce their views.

Buretsu:
It only took you how long to stop banning M-rated video games?

That's funny, because our PG rating for movies and games is M in America. We never banned R rated games, most of them were just rated MA instead--we must have stronger stomachs than the yanks. In fact, the U.S. has banned a great deal more than us.

It's fun to do research and not speak out my ass.

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