Notch Unveils His New Game

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rolfwesselius:

Jove:

rolfwesselius:

There is only a sub if you want to play the multiplayer single is just b2p
Which i can understand a game like this could require alot of money to keep the servers running and make new money.

So why does Minecraft multiplayer not have a subscription fee?

Heck, subscription are slowly proving to be out of date business models anyway. Why is Guild Wars 2 a one time buy?

1:
Because Minecraft relies on user run servers.
This uses dedicated servers.WHICH COST ALOT OF MONEY.
Hell a 32 player 1 gb ram server already cost 15 dollars a month in maintenance and electricity. imagine ones made for millions of players,Yikes those are big electricity bills.
This is an mmo in all but names.
2:what god written law says subscriptions will always be 13 dollars?
It could be 50 cent so shut up.

1. This example will probably be way overused but I will use it again until someone disapproves of it.

Guild Wars 2

2. If you can find me a MMO game that has a subscription fee of less then $10 dollars per month, you would have a point.

So much hate for what is the barest of details. Shame On you internet trolls!

hawk533:

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The time frame for the games puts the game 2^48 years in the future or 16^12 years in the future. So I think the allusion in the title is that humanity was supposed to be asleep for 0x10^c years. c was probably supposed to be something like 1 to 3, but due to a programming bug, 12 was used instead.
...

Sounds reasonable. Code accidently written to take the contents of the C register for the exponent, rather than a constant intended by the specsheet writer, maybe? :9

Jove:

rolfwesselius:

Jove:

So why does Minecraft multiplayer not have a subscription fee?

Heck, subscription are slowly proving to be out of date business models anyway. Why is Guild Wars 2 a one time buy?

1:
Because Minecraft relies on user run servers.
This uses dedicated servers.WHICH COST ALOT OF MONEY.
Hell a 32 player 1 gb ram server already cost 15 dollars a month in maintenance and electricity. imagine ones made for millions of players,Yikes those are big electricity bills.
This is an mmo in all but names.
2:what god written law says subscriptions will always be 13 dollars?
It could be 50 cent so shut up.

1. This example will probably be way overused but I will use it again until someone disapproves of it.

Guild Wars 2

2. If you can find me a MMO game that has a subscription fee of less then $10 dollars per month, you would have a point.

1:
Guild wars 2 has servers that are almost unconnected each being a different server shard.

Eve online the closest comparison to this game with 360:000 users.
HAS THE BIGGEST SUPERCOMPUTER USED FOR GAMING IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.
They use cutting edge IBM technology and they still crash and lag.
It is impossible to run a fucking supercomputer without having a monthly subscription.
And this game could be even fucking bigger!

2:Runescape cost 8 euro's.
Most publishers just know they can get away with 13 dollars and refuse to lower the price.
There is room between f2p and and 13 dollars.
Like 5 dollars or 1 maybe.

Sounds cool, but I wonder, will us simple folk who have no clue about programming at all be able to play it?. I don't think this will be the success minecraft was, it just doesn't sound like its going to has the same widespread appeal.

Daystar Clarion:
Who wants to bet that Minecraft was a fluke and that Notch's next game won't be nearly as good or as popular?

I'll reserve judgment, but I'm highly sceptical.

Me. I honestly hope this game fails pretty hard (not in a malicious way) because I'm tired of all the undue praise this guy gets. He made one game and everyone hangs on his nuts like he is a genius. He got lucky. I'm sure his next few games will absolutely prove that once his "new game" novelty has worn off his dedicated fanboys. I don't hate the guy, I have no reason to, so don't read that the wrong way. If he can repeat, or threepeat, then I'll throw the guy some respect.

Jove:

rolfwesselius:

Jove:
Subscription fee? Jeez this guy has completely sold out yet people still worship the damn guy like he's the Neo of gaming.

There is only a sub if you want to play the multiplayer single is just b2p
Which i can understand a game like this could require alot of money to keep the servers running and make new money.

So why does Minecraft multiplayer not have a subscription fee?

Heck, subscription are slowly proving to be out of date business models anyway. Why is Guild Wars 2 a one time buy?

Because Minecraft multiplayer is based on player-run servers.

And let's compare:

F2P/Subscription based (World of Warcraft, Everquest, Runescape) vs. Microtransaction F2P (Maple Story, Audition, LOTRO) vs. Purchase-Once (Guild Wars 2, Team Fortress 2) vs. Truly F2P/Donation based (Myst Online). Guess which ones are doing the best?

(WITHOUT a giant mega-store owned by the developers to assist.)

I just don't do subscription fees.

EURRNGGHHH.

I'm getting bored of Minecraft (Finally... Sort of... Until the next update) And Cobalt never did anything for me. It's also most likely Scrolls won't either. But this looks worth my special addition throwin' wads of cash! I can't wait!

I loved EVE, the only thing stopping me from playing it was the harsh pay cheque I'd have to fork over every so often. Hopefully this will contend!

So...it's something like Eve Online? in 16 Bit?

I'm gonna go ahead and bail on that one. That just seems like way too many spreadsheets for my enjoyment.

Nifty title, though. I wonder if it's a result of the Scrolls issue, so they came up with a name no one would ever confuse anything else with.

Somebloke:

Treblaine:

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The mathematician in me is intrigued just by the title alone. Though it still reduces down to just plain '0' it is still really really big zero!

Or maybe not the usual magnitude of ten, with a preceeding factor; a prefix of: "0x" is a common way to denote hexadecimal numbers, so sixteen to the power of the speed of light? That's a fairly large number... :9

hawk533:

Treblaine:
If my basic grade mathematical knowledge is correct 0x10^c (on the icon next to c is superscript, so "power of" as in 4^2 = 4x4 = 16)

Actually, as pointed out above, 0x is commonly used to indicate hexadecimal. So 0x10 is 16. The time frame for the games puts the game 2^48 years in the future or 16^12 years in the future. So I think the allusion in the title is that humanity was supposed to be asleep for 0x10^c years. c was probably supposed to be something like 1 to 3, but due to a programming bug, 12 was used instead.

I'm going to pronounce it "One-Zero to the C" until I hear otherwise.

I think it is at least a double meaning as " x10^X " is such a well established term in mathematics and is such a succinct way of quantifying extremely large numbers, and that IS what a space game is supposed to be about, the extremely large scale. Maybe notch is just being cute having an extremely large magnitude of an infitesimally small number.

But then we get into deep maths, is zero not an impossible number not just in the practical sense but the mathematical sense. Just as 0.9999-recurring is mathematically identical to 1. Would that also mean that 0 = 0.000000.. (infinite zeroes)..0001 ?

One reason not to think it's hexadecimal is how the C is in superscript position EXACTLY where it would be for magnitude and NOT where it should be for hexadecimal. If we are just to consider "10" as hexadecimal, while it's not contradictory, what is the point in using a hexadecimal number that is identical to it's decimal counterpart as the number "10" is?

This might be a little bit forward thinking here, but where does he go after this game is finished? Does he make a Doctor Who style game?

You can play games in a game using the in game computer system. If you can play Minecraft on it, then I'm sold.

This is from the official website: In 1988, a brand new deep sleep cell was released, compatible with all popular 16 bit computers. Unfortunately, it used big endian, whereas the DCPU-16 specifications called for little endian. This led to a severe bug in the included drivers, causing a requested sleep of 0x0000 0000 0000 0001 years to last for 0x0001 0000 0000 0000 years.

0x10^c is the same as 0x0001 0000 0000 0000 in big endian notation. In hexadecimal c = 12. It has nothing to do with the speed of light in this context. It is not about lots of "0"s. 0x is the prefix for a hexadecimal number.

Treblaine:

Somebloke:

Treblaine:

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The mathematician in me is intrigued just by the title alone. Though it still reduces down to just plain '0' it is still really really big zero!

Or maybe not the usual magnitude of ten, with a preceeding factor; a prefix of: "0x" is a common way to denote hexadecimal numbers, so sixteen to the power of the speed of light? That's a fairly large number... :9

hawk533:

Treblaine:
If my basic grade mathematical knowledge is correct 0x10^c (on the icon next to c is superscript, so "power of" as in 4^2 = 4x4 = 16)

Actually, as pointed out above, 0x is commonly used to indicate hexadecimal. So 0x10 is 16. The time frame for the games puts the game 2^48 years in the future or 16^12 years in the future. So I think the allusion in the title is that humanity was supposed to be asleep for 0x10^c years. c was probably supposed to be something like 1 to 3, but due to a programming bug, 12 was used instead.

I'm going to pronounce it "One-Zero to the C" until I hear otherwise.

I think it is at least a double meaning as " x10^X " is such a well established term in mathematics and is such a succinct way of quantifying extremely large numbers, and that IS what a space game is supposed to be about, the extremely large scale. Maybe notch is just being cute having an extremely large magnitude of an infitesimally small number.

But then we get into deep maths, is zero not an impossible number not just in the practical sense but the mathematical sense. Just as 0.9999-recurring is mathematically identical to 1. Would that also mean that 0 = 0.000000.. (infinite zeroes)..0001 ?

One reason not to think it's hexadecimal is how the C is in superscript position EXACTLY where it would be for magnitude and NOT where it should be for hexadecimal. If we are just to consider "10" as hexadecimal, while it's not contradictory, what is the point in using a hexadecimal number that is identical to it's decimal counterpart as the number "10" is?

Hawk533 is completely correct.
The reason one would assume it's hexadecimal is because it says '0x' and not 'x'. Lower level programming languages will always consider numbers with 0x in front of them as hexadecimal, higher levels probably too. It's written as 0x10^C instead of 16^12 because they want to link it to the emulated CPU. The dcpu-16 spec doc implies you will be able to program that CPU with a very low level programming language, very similar to Assembly, in which case you will want to use hexadecimal because decimal is cumbersome in a binary system and binary is too long to make way of it.
16 bit example (unsigned):
Binary: 0b100000011110000
Decimal: 33008
Hexadecimal: 0x80F0
And you will always avoid mixing hexadecimal en decimal for the same reason you do not constantly switch between writing in English and French.

Less space game, more low level spaceship programming. Or EVE for engineers.

ok, reading some of the responses here really gives me a headache.
how the HELL can that whole many zeroes and speed of light thing make ANY sense remotely, if this game is about spacefare and coding, especially since notch is now focused on assembler stuff and all that.
Reading 0x10c as 1612 at least makes some sense, seeing as 1612 = 281474976710656, which is also 1988 away from the setting's year of 281474976712644.
/raaaaage

So you can play computer games within a computer game? Yeah... I'm sold.

Zero Existence?

I would be tempted to call it "hex ten c" or "hex ten to the c" or "16 power 12" or something along those lines. I am not going to try and vocalise 0x10^c.

This is going to waste so much of my time. Sort of interesting that he's going for a MMO subscription model rather than the one-time fee thing that minecraft has.

You lost me at subscription fees. Has to be $5 or lower to get me interested.

Now, I can see it working if they didn't go to as much detail as X3 that game is so stale and slow.

SpAc3man:
This is from the official website: In 1988, a brand new deep sleep cell was released, compatible with all popular 16 bit computers. Unfortunately, it used big endian, whereas the DCPU-16 specifications called for little endian. This led to a severe bug in the included drivers, causing a requested sleep of 0x0000 0000 0000 0001 years to last for 0x0001 0000 0000 0000 years.

0x10^c is the same as 0x0001 0000 0000 0000 in big endian notation. In hexadecimal c = 12. It has nothing to do with the speed of light in this context. It is not about lots of "0"s. 0x is the prefix for a hexadecimal number.

Monocle Man:

Hawk533 is completely correct.
The reason one would assume it's hexadecimal is because it says '0x' and not 'x'. Lower level programming languages will always consider numbers with 0x in front of them as hexadecimal, higher levels probably too. It's written as 0x10^C instead of 16^12 because they want to link it to the emulated CPU. The dcpu-16 spec doc implies you will be able to program that CPU with a very low level programming language, very similar to Assembly, in which case you will want to use hexadecimal because decimal is cumbersome in a binary system and binary is too long to make way of it.
16 bit example (unsigned):
Binary: 0b100000011110000
Decimal: 33008
Hexadecimal: 0x80F0
And you will always avoid mixing hexadecimal en decimal for the same reason you do not constantly switch between writing in English and French.

Less space game, more low level spaceship programming. Or EVE for engineers.

We both could be right, if it's a double meaning. Both hexadecimal and Large-number-zero. I just find it interesting how similar it is to magnitude format in maths.

Titles are full of puns like these, like "Half Life", ostensibly a reference to the decay pattern of radioisotopes, but also a pun on the mortal situation of an invasion from aliens from another dimension. James Bond titles are full of puns and double meanings.

image

C is very clearly in superscript, but in cosmological terms the letter "c" has much more significance as the speed of light than as hexadecimal c just meaning the number 12. I get the significance of hex-10 being 16 but I don't get the significance of 12 / hex-C beyond the correlation that 0x10^C does actually equal:

281'474'976'710'656

In line with how long they apparently overslept to, Plus 1'988.

" The dcpu-16 spec doc implies you will be able to program that CPU with a very low level programming language, very similar to Assembly"

image

(been waiting so long to use that)

PS: how do you PRONOUNCE 0x10? It's obviously not "ten", because it isn't. Well, I suppose you'd still call 0-9 the same names... and A-F the same, but it just seems wrong to call it "ten" when it is actually the value of "dec-16".

So what do we call this game? Ten to 12? Ten to C? 16 to 12?

Treblaine:

When you're not using decimal you must always say your numerical system, so "Hex one zero to C" seems logical to me. Alternatively you convert it to 16 to 12.
Or a combination! "Hex of 16 to 12" has a fun ring to it.

Treblaine:

So what do we call this game? Ten to 12? Ten to C? 16 to 12?

I'll just call it 'code' and let that be that.

Jove:

1. This example will probably be way overused but I will use it again until someone disapproves of it.

Guild Wars 2

Just want to say, GW2 will have microtransactions.

They pay their servers with microtransactions.

Looking cautiously forward to this game. Will wait to see actual details of implementation before getting too optimistic.

Treblaine:

SpAc3man:
This is from the official website: In 1988, a brand new deep sleep cell was released, compatible with all popular 16 bit computers. Unfortunately, it used big endian, whereas the DCPU-16 specifications called for little endian. This led to a severe bug in the included drivers, causing a requested sleep of 0x0000 0000 0000 0001 years to last for 0x0001 0000 0000 0000 years.

0x10^c is the same as 0x0001 0000 0000 0000 in big endian notation. In hexadecimal c = 12. It has nothing to do with the speed of light in this context. It is not about lots of "0"s. 0x is the prefix for a hexadecimal number.

Monocle Man:

Hawk533 is completely correct.
The reason one would assume it's hexadecimal is because it says '0x' and not 'x'. Lower level programming languages will always consider numbers with 0x in front of them as hexadecimal, higher levels probably too. It's written as 0x10^C instead of 16^12 because they want to link it to the emulated CPU. The dcpu-16 spec doc implies you will be able to program that CPU with a very low level programming language, very similar to Assembly, in which case you will want to use hexadecimal because decimal is cumbersome in a binary system and binary is too long to make way of it.
16 bit example (unsigned):
Binary: 0b100000011110000
Decimal: 33008
Hexadecimal: 0x80F0
And you will always avoid mixing hexadecimal en decimal for the same reason you do not constantly switch between writing in English and French.

Less space game, more low level spaceship programming. Or EVE for engineers.

We both could be right, if it's a double meaning. Both hexadecimal and Large-number-zero. I just find it interesting how similar it is to magnitude format in maths.

Titles are full of puns like these, like "Half Life", ostensibly a reference to the decay pattern of radioisotopes, but also a pun on the mortal situation of an invasion from aliens from another dimension. James Bond titles are full of puns and double meanings.

image

C is very clearly in superscript, but in cosmological terms the letter "c" has much more significance as the speed of light than as hexadecimal c just meaning the number 12. I get the significance of hex-10 being 16 but I don't get the significance of 12 / hex-C beyond the correlation that 0x10^C does actually equal:

281'474'976'710'656

In line with how long they apparently overslept to, Plus 1'988.

" The dcpu-16 spec doc implies you will be able to program that CPU with a very low level programming language, very similar to Assembly"

image

(been waiting so long to use that)

PS: how do you PRONOUNCE 0x10? It's obviously not "ten", because it isn't. Well, I suppose you'd still call 0-9 the same names... and A-F the same, but it just seems wrong to call it "ten" when it is actually the value of "dec-16".

So what do we call this game? Ten to 12? Ten to C? 16 to 12?

he more than likely just wanted to put the representative of speed of light in his assembly puzzle title. i dont think you should calculate it mathematically beyond that. its prolly just there cause, HEY, speed of light is in space travel! and leave it at that. the assembly calculation is where its at, the C is just an arbitrary constant he chose.

BTW NOTCH, WHY THE FUCK IS IT 16 BIT? WE HAVE 32 NAU, AND ITS MUCH EASIER. WHY YOU HAVE TO BE SUCH A NERDY PROGRAMMER? I HATE 16 BIT ASSEMBLY!(ihateassemblyingeneralbutwhatever)

If I find out these guys ripped off Blockade Runner I'm gonna be PISSED.

I'm trying my hardest not to, but when I read the premise, all I was thinking of was:

Minecraft... IN SPACE!

draythefingerless:

BTW NOTCH, WHY THE FUCK IS IT 16 BIT? WE HAVE 32 NAU, AND ITS MUCH EASIER. WHY YOU HAVE TO BE SUCH A NERDY PROGRAMMER? I HATE 16 BIT ASSEMBLY!(ihateassemblyingeneralbutwhatever)

Because the game is set using 1988 technology, and I wonder how long it is, until someone builds 0x10^c in 0x10^c. Hell we've already had minecraft in minecraft.

Daystar Clarion:
Who wants to bet that Minecraft was a fluke and that Notch's next game won't be nearly as good or as popular?

I'll reserve judgment, but I'm highly sceptical.

I would have bet on that before reading this. But this game sounds awesome, i really hope he can pull it off.

Chances are he won't though. It sounds like he went over his head and will spend years on it only to finish with an unplayable Duke Nukem; still i can dream and for what is worth is better to fail shotting at the stars than to do a generic forgettable second game like so many before him.

JaceArveduin:
Ah, he did add the most sacred engineering tool ever invented, duct tape! If some of you knew the amount of duct tape that is in some American nuclear plants, you'd faint.

Mostly from over exposure to radiation, but that's beside the point.

Actually, quite excited about this game. Sounds like fun.

draythefingerless:

he more than likely just wanted to put the representative of speed of light in his assembly puzzle title. i dont think you should calculate it mathematically beyond that. its prolly just there cause, HEY, speed of light is in space travel! and leave it at that. the assembly calculation is where its at, the C is just an arbitrary constant he chose.

BTW NOTCH, WHY THE FUCK IS IT 16 BIT? WE HAVE 32 NAU, AND ITS MUCH EASIER. WHY YOU HAVE TO BE SUCH A NERDY PROGRAMMER? I HATE 16 BIT ASSEMBLY!(ihateassemblyingeneralbutwhatever)

Because it's set in 1988. 32-Bit computing was somewhat of a rarity back then and spacecraft would be an expansion of 1988 technology so 16-bit would be a commonly available computer.

Maybe it's a matter of limitation. That's what minecraft is all about, limitation of geometry to increase application. What is the full extent of what can be done with a 16-bit computer especially when it is used to control a virtual spaceship that I'd presume follows all the laws of physics. This sounds like a truly worthy successor to Minecraft.

Gibboniser:

draythefingerless:

BTW NOTCH, WHY THE FUCK IS IT 16 BIT? WE HAVE 32 NAU, AND ITS MUCH EASIER. WHY YOU HAVE TO BE SUCH A NERDY PROGRAMMER? I HATE 16 BIT ASSEMBLY!(ihateassemblyingeneralbutwhatever)

Because the game is set using 1988 technology, and I wonder how long it is, until someone builds 0x10^c in 0x10^c. Hell we've already had minecraft in minecraft.

Yo Dawg, I heard you like minecraft...

Leave it to Notch to go all computerception. Sounds interesting but not really my style, I feel like there'll be a little too much math and science involved.

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