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Well, to say that "the Ancient Greeks were completely fine" with anything is downright stupid because the Ancient Greeks were a bunch of City States that had different cultures and value systems. Though I will point out that the Spartans seemed pretty okay with homosexuality, perhaps to their detriment considering part of what ultimately lead to their fall was the fact that the slave population greatly outnumbered their own. | |
They bitch about the lesbian/gay relationships, but not the fact that people get stabbed, eviscerated, shot, blown up, set on fire, electrocuted, frozen, blown up again, and shot again? Good stuff. If these are "family values," then I hate them. Also, I technically pursue a gay relationship (Femshep and Liara on some playthroughs), but I'm still straight. Huh. | |
Of all the wonderfully horrible things to bombard EA with, you choose this? For shame. | |
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"Unnatural" probably has some basis on solid ground. "Evil" is definitely opinion though. I cannot see how one could hold X opinion and NOT believe it is fact, or at least probable theory. Then we get into the whole denial of evidence thing by Z party. Oh, the concept of morality sourced from the Bible is always worth a good laugh. Or a good cry for that matter. Having read the thing, I can confidently say those who have not aren't missing much. Lets try another example. Here is a kitten. In a bag. Thrown from a car onto the highway. For most, the reaction to such an image is revulsion, disgust, anger. Many would strongly object to such a video even existing on Youtube and demand it be censored/removed. Here is a man. Kissing another man. They strip and proceed to go all brokeback mountain. I can honestly say the reaction to that for many, including myself, is very similar to the kitten above. Probably more disgust and less anger. That gut level reaction cannot be purged with political correctness or any amount of reasoned debate. You could just as easily point out that the kitten is legal property and humane shelters execute them by the thousands every year; why weep over this one? It is at worst, a road/traffic hazard. (animal cruelty laws aside, another legislation of obscenity opinion) Again, the emotional reaction of "That's just not right." It's not an intellectual thing, it is psychological poison in the gut. For those of us less than fond of gay culture or the presentation thereof, we don't want to see that any more than the kitten. Western culture gives us all a good appreciation for tolerance but tolerance is not respect or acceptance. I don't think anyone could teach respect/acceptance of the highway kitten. All the talking heads, politicians and judges can carry on with whatever but with Proposition 8, the people spoke up for themselves, a rare opportunity these days. It was close, I'll give you that. | |
Ok, so the anti-gay lobby is throwing a hissy-fit because a game showed a gay relationship in a non-deamonizing manner. That's what they do. Although even though I kinda try to avoid to let stuff like this get to me it kind of makes me want to replay ME3 and go with the male gay option. Also - you could be gay as femshep and yaddayaddayadda
Yeah, that never how it works out in real life. ;) | |
"FRC President Tony Perkins said "the biggest threat to the empire may be homosexual activists" and called on his audience to speak out against them." He does know The Empire are the bad guys right? Is he actually saying his organisation is on the same side at this guy:
And thinks that its bad that there is any threat to this, and that homosexuals should be stopped from fighting it. April fools? RIGHT?!? | |
So let me get this right. These people complain about a fictitious relationship in a game that they have neither bought nor played. What about the violence which can be found in nearly every game. I thought that family vlaues were more about teaching people to coexist with others in a society. But it seems I was wrong, and it appears that family values are all about being egotistical, phobic, intolerant and arrogant. | |
A VERY big issue still, sadly. You go to say, Australia, here the country is mostly masculine men with chest hair who drink beer and watch football. If you're gay/Bi and dont like those traits, you're hated on quite badly. Basically if you aren't like him, you're going to cop some shit. | |
Hey nice pic of the Pope you got there! Classy black robes 'n everything. And here he is at Christmas!
If you ever needed more proof that these are the bad guys... | |
My face when... To be honest, he could look like Sean Connery and I'd but just as horrified, just reading about what the Catholic Church in general and Pope Ratzinger (he hasn't earned the title "benedict") in particular are responsible for, they only possibly dodge prosecution by diplomatic immunity and how if the Pope were arrested for his part in the cover up of the rape and torture of children then there would be wars you secure his release, simply because he is self declared as infallible and divine and enough people totally and 100% accept that. But of course, whenever the church hierarchy is questioned, they claim their critics are out to attack ALL CATHOLICS! What they don't seem to realise is I object to the Catholic CHURCH for what is does TO IT'S CONGREGATION! If anyone hates Catholics, they'd love the Pope! You know what I hate about this modern world. I look at the real Ratzinger and the fake Palpatine and I ask... which has actually done worse? | |
The real inaccuracy is in assuming that a gay Cortez wouldn't jump your bones immediately. "Monogamy" is a concept foreign to most gays I've seen, and it's reflected in their HIV gamerscore: Telling a male homosexual that he is healthy and 100% normal by enabling his gay space fantasies is like telling a schizophrenic the mailman really is out to kill him-might make him feel better, but you're just increasing the risk that someone's gonna die. | |
As we all know, EA is all about standing up for what's right. Those who might criticize things like Origin or people not being able to play their games if they are suspended in the forums, probably people like that have a latent homophobic agenda. I'm so glad EA is on our side. | |
Oh my god. Therefore, why not email Bethesda for allowing interspecies homosexual relations in Skyrim? Furthermore, why is homosexuality still an issue? If someone loves someone regardless of their respective genders, just let it be! | |
Heterosexuals have no better understanding of the "Monogamy" concept, go to any club in your city and you'll see tons of heteros looking to fuck anything that walks. Not to mention all of the straight-marriages that end/hit rough spots over infidelity. Folks just love the sexin'. Implying one particular demographic is less likely to be monogamous, especially considering the evidence provided to 'prove' it, speaks of a bias towards that group, nothing else. It's like when Jared Taylor cites arrest statistics to declare that black people are inherently violent. The man is a bigot, and his bias colours anything it can to confirm what he had already chosen to believe. What you do is no different. There is another reason why new HIV infections might be highest amoung gay men. The 2 major reasons to wear a condom are to avoid infection, and prevent pregnancy. When a group has half the reasons to use a safety item, it stands to reason that they are going to be less likely to use them. Everyone should use them, everyone should wear seat belts to. Again, you can interpret statistics to reinforce your obvious bias against gays, tons of people do it to other groups. Prepare yourself to be labelled a bigot. You know, 'cause you are. | |
Right, because in games where you can be a huge dick that murders innocents and shoot your friends in the back the gays are clearly the biggest threat good family values. Personally I don't really care one way or the other, but they've got their priorities a bit weird. | |
Right. Obviously the correct solution for them there would have been more breeding, rather than doing their own gardening so they could not enslave and enrage so many people. :-P | |
I noticed that...this makes Han/Luke cannon! Han chose the wrong Skywalker! | |
In fact, a good chunk of the Greeks scoffed at homosexuality while practicing pederasty. Some practiced both. However, homosexuality was not the downfall of the Spartans. It wasn't really a breeding war so much as their rigid cultural and class system that ended up boning them. ...Errr..No pun intended. | |
I think he wanted both, but intergalactic politics just weren't right at the time. You know how evil empires can be about unconventional relationships. | |
Well... if by "correct" you mean the morally acceptable solution, then sure. Obviously from the standpoint of contemporary values we would say that the morally correct option would be to abandon slavery. Of course, we have no need for slavery these days either, so it hardly merits discussion. Of course, things were different back then. It is perhaps questionable whether complex empires could have developed beyond a certain point without the use of some form of forced labor. I tend not to judge history too harshly by my own standards. We are fairly spoiled by our living conditions. I'm cynical as to whether anyone with a bleeding heart could remain as such if they had to live under the same conditions as those they criticized. If in two hundred years technological innovations had solved all the world's major problems and allowed everyone to live in comfort and safety, those people may look down on us now as complete and total scum for spending our money on luxury items such as televisions or iPhones instead of sending aid to third world countries. Then again, there are people who feel that way now.
Well, it was a combination of several different things, yes. Another large part of it was that their enemies adapted to their military strategies, which pretty much remained the same over time, and thus they lost some of their military advantage. But you still can't have a giant population of slaves that outnumber you. One fairly obvious solution is to not have slaves, another is to sell off your slaves if they start to outnumber you. It's debatable whether it was really homosexuality that hurt the Spartan population, there were military losses, stringent social hierarchies that prevented people from moving up, and of course their primitive form of Eugenics. But whatever the case may be their population was definitely a problem. But I don't think it's that controversial to say that widespread homosexuality, if true, would have had a negative affect on their population growth. People just get their backs up on this particular historical issue because they perceive homophobia on the part of the person who suggests that homosexuality might have played a role in the Spartan's decline. But that's ultimately irrational. Not wanting to copulate with the opposing sex definitely limits one's propensity to reproduce (though it obviously does not eliminate it completely either). That doesn't mean that homosexuality is wrong or bad, it's just a fact. | |
So EA plays social-justice martyr after being voted one of the worst companies in America. I'm sorry, but EA's sudden concern about LGBTQ representation in video games is nothing more that a PR smokescreen trying to divert the public's attention away from the fact that they continually practice bad business policies Do not be taken in so easily by crocodile tears.
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AAAMGAADAAAHH!!! THIS! TIMES A THOUSAND! *ahem* This is what you call Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch. Or specifically in this case, Games You Don't Play. Fucking right-wingers, why do we have to suffer their biggotry? | |
Male homosexuality creates a rigid cultural and class system that eventually ignores all of reality and warps the psyches of those who practice it, just look at Hollywood. Creating a culturally comfortable environment for them requires high walls, fascistic speech codes, pricing everyone out of the neighborhood, or some combination of the three. As Sparta was isolated and fascist, so too is Hollywood, where according to most quotes, 'everyone is a little gay.' Exhibit A: Bryan Singer's Superman. The movie only makes sense when you realize the director is gay. While his perspective made more sense for the X-Men movies, where it was about social outcasts in the first place(the hilariously nonsensical line "have you tried NOT being a mutant" still betraying the politics of the director,) for what was supposed to be an everyday, everyman superhero, it totally ruined the tone of the story, but no one was willing to say: "Hey, guy, maybe you shouldn't make the entire thing a joyless super-weird CGI slog. Brett Ratner could have done a better job, stayed truer to the tone of the originals, and gotten a better return on the investment. | |
Which is why most RETHUGLICAN BIGOTS live in the country, away from places like that.
If they're omnisexual, that means they really aren't heterosexual, are they?
Terribly non-descriptive language, ignores the fact that most infidelity among heteros is an attempt to get a better deal, like a young wife or a rich husband. Go to the back of the class.
Well, let me just ask a spokesperson for that group:
So you analyze the truth of the statistics rather than the position of the author, are you really so dense that you haven't learned anything from someone whose outlook on life you disagreed with?
So...everyone should wear a condom every time they have sex with anybody. And..you don't see the totalitarian philosophy inherent in this system?
Well, let's see, I have Mr. Advocate on my side admitting that gays really are as promiscuous as they appear to be by disease statistics and club men like yourself, and you saying that noticing this makes me a bigot because I think autoimmune diseases are bad and that assuming that everyone is fucking everything is a terrible assumption to make (especially when asking questions about things like blood donation.) Oh, and that making condoms the new normal for all sexual encounters is a poor substitute for telling the truth about risk factors. | |
ZING! | |
You're joking, right? I mean, homosexuality was prevalent among some of the other Greek City-States as was already mentioned. They weren't particularly "rigid." Not to mention, Bryan Singer wasn't behind the homosexual parallels in the X-Men series, given it existed years before there was a movie series. And Singer wasn't involved in the X-Men movie you cited, specifically BECAUSE he was on the Superman movie. I can't even begin to see how Superman Returns makes more sense with Singer's sexuality factored in. In short: Please be joking. | |
Thousands of emails? THOUSANDS OF EMAILS? I don't even understand homophobes, much less do I understand how there are so many of them. | |
What kind of drugs are you on? Or rather what drugs are you not taking that your psychiatrist told you to take? Assuming the data is correct, there's the "small" problem that being statistically more likely to suffer from some kind of disease doesn't mean that the person is actually suffering from that disease. When people tell a male homosexual that they're healthy and normal they're not "enabling his gay space fantasies" but telling that being a homosexual is not in itself a disease or weird in the sense of being wrong. No-one is telling anyone that is, for a fact, suffering from a disease or a mental illness that they're healthy and normal, and I have difficulty of believing you actually made that comparison. I mean, you're comparing to being gay to being mentally sick. You're not very self-conscious, are you? | |
DOUBLE POST GOD KILL ME | |
...on second thought, maybe EA is actually one of the better game companies, for treating same-sex relationships as a matter of romance and love between individuals and not the flamboyant farce the mass media makes it out to be. Well, the eggrolls I just cooked are now useless. Thanks for ruining my appetite, you jerk. | |
say what you want about EA, at least they try to touch sensitive topics, relevant to our current society | |
Why is telling a schizo that the voices he's hearing aren't normal is okay... but telling a gay that the attractions he's feeling aren't normal is KILL EVIL BIGOTS?
No, I'm not narcissistic enough to believe that my own feelings on the matter are shared by everyone, otherwise I wouldn't be arguing about it. But there's far too high a correlation between homosexuality and closed societies, virulent strains of deadly diseases incubated by deviant sexual practices, and a highly immature outlook on social life that lives for the moment rather than the future. Normal people do not invent, nor have need for, an app like Grindr. | |
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why i don't go to church! these "family values" tossers always try and find the negative, jesus christ could tell them to their face that gay is ok and that would then call him evil. what we should all do when these pants on head moron's start speaking bullshit is: ignore them and the do the exact opposite. remember they want you to fight, just makes them feel empowered. sad really, we should get them all a huge padded cell...... | |
Because one is suffering from a well known mental illness that can be medicated with prescription drugs and psychiatric treatment and can be seriously harmful to the person themselves and others by itself, while the other is a common deviation from the default in which gender is more attractive that is not harmful to anyone even if you think every homosexual is HIV positive, since considering your own sex sexually attractive doesn't mean having a sexually active life.
Not my point. There's a long standing tradition in homophobic circles to insist that being gay is the same thing as being mentally damaged/retarded/sick. None of which has been supported by psychiatrists at large. So you making a comparison between being a homosexual and being schizophrenic implies a strong lack of self-awareness and knowledge of this behaviour. Saying stuff like that can make you appear to be homophobic. Which of course ceases to be an issue if you actually are. Man, Stephen Fry is so immature. And Neil Patrick Harris is having so many deviant sexual acts with numerous people all the time. I suspect your perspective is getting skewed because you haven't realised being gay doesn't mean being flamboyant. Or your sources are horribly skewed and you're being too trusting. Stuff like the Grindr start making sense the second you realise that only 5-10% of the population are gay. I imagine it being a bit tricky to find someone when the person you're hitting on is very likely straight and possibly willing to punch you just for asking. I have difficulty believing there's no similar program for heterosexuals and it just didn't have a newsworthy name so no-one has bothered making a big deal of it. | |
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Meh. EA doesn't listen to its customers anyways. (Hopefully) they won't cave into anti-gay protest.