BioWare "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3

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Andy Chalk:
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Reported for low post content :P. Now give yourself a warning or possibly a probation.

-flees and hides behind desk-

As for the article... Good. ME3's ending spoiled the entire series for me. May seem a little extreme saying that but it's true. I was going to replay it beginning to end probably countless times more however... With an ending like that? Whats the point?.

-Reads the following page- Seems I got beaten to the punch -hangs head in shame-

Oh for fu...

People, for the love of god, get over it.

People starve to death every day and some of you won't get the fuck over a video game ending. I'm sure it's the worst thing to ever happen to you and all, but with all the rape, murder, poverty and homelessness going on around the world and in our own backyards, you'll forgive me if I don't drop to my knees and cry with you.

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I wasn't satisfyed with the ending either, but this is a little over the top. All I want is the relays to still work and the universe to comtinue.

GamesB2:
People are even more angry about the Extended Cut DLC?

I was actually moderately pleased ._.

The bad ending is already out there, no point taking it all back now, the only thing worth doing is making it less bad.

It is a step in the right direction, and only if by "clarification" they mean "actual reflection on the decisions you've made".

A re-written ending is massively preferred, but full and proper clarification will suffice.

Of course it is false advertising. Calling them out on it is also completely within the consumer rights. I hope some day something like this makes it to a court.
That would be delightful.

Majorie Stephens, the director of communications for the Better Business Bureau of Northern Indiana

Smart girl, this one. Now everybody knows who she is!

Knight Templar:

So I've been trolled, great.

Such a pity it's such a tired trump card. I needn't have indulged in the aforementioned sin when you did such a spectacular job on yourself.

There was no pretension before you decided to become an add-water-histrionic, who puts socks into mouths and chimes 'troll'. You got/get a free slice of apathy for that.

megaadair:
I wasn't satisfyed with the ending either, but this is a little over the top. All I want is the relays to still work and the universe to comtinue.

Judging from the news that has come out (PA report) and after watching the PAX panel QA, you'll most likely get just that.

The idea of an 'extended cut', or an 'addendum' isn't new to film or literature so I don't really relate to that particular tenet of the 'artistic integrity' side of the debate. Having said that, it appears Bioware are staying with the ending and adding some layers of clarity to what was established, which I see as a good thing.

Still Life:

Knight Templar:

So I've been trolled, great.

Such a pity it's such a tired trump card. I needn't have indulged in the aforementioned sin when you did such a spectacular job on yourself.

There was no pretension before you decided to become an add-water-histrionic, who puts socks into mouths and chimes 'troll'. You got/get a free slice of apathy for that.

Rather than continuing to spew pretentious and baseless insults at me you could just agree, it's as obvious either way. And I'm done feeding you.

If you were not trolling then try to keep a better track of your own opinion in the future. But you won't be getting any more from me, go on do the whole "I'm so great" dance you're getting into, don't let the fact nobody is listening stop you.

EDIT: IS casually making light of mental conditions a common thing for you? Here's a tip, if you don't want to look like a troll do not try to pretend the other side suffers from a psychological disorder to justify your antics. Unlike the ending to a videogame this is serious, not something for you to thow around to make yourself feel big.

EDIT2: "I do charity work." So? Ahahah.
How do you breathe through all that irony? lol. Good for you, first person I ever put on ignore.

People don't like the endings they're given. 'I know,' says Bioware, 'let's expand on the endings that the people don't like!'

Just sheer genius.

mxfox408:

Obviously you haven't heard of the fans blackout boycott of Modern Warfare 3 on 4-20-12

You<------------------>point, like most of the douche bags and asshole journalist like movie Bob, and that Colin guy at ign who has his head up his ass. if people are promised something and built up and invested into it(fans who spent money and expected the advertising to hold up to the money invested into a gross product IS AN INVESTMENT) have a right to complain when a company didn't deliver what it advertised.let's say you ordered a pizza and they royally fucked up your order and then ignore your complaints for one month, then when they finally respond they tell you they will clarify why they did that and they are not going to give you a new one, wouldn't you feel entitled to get what you paid MONEY for? Or would let the company continue to treat you and its consumers like shit?

Hmm... They promised an extraordinary expirience, they delivered.
They messed up with the ending, they are fixing it.
I don't see your point.
P.S. No need to call people names for having different opinions from yours. That is disrespectful for you and the target of your insults.
P.P.S. You want an example of bad company politics? Here you go:
Capcom. They released Street Fighter X Tekken with ALL the DLC content on the disk and, after Vita version will be released, they'll charge $20 for it.
Bioware messed up, true, but they delivered a complete gaming expirience, while Capcom is just being greedy.

Knight Templar:
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I realise that for you, it's procedure to resort to accusations of trollery because you wallow in sanctimony. Soon, you'll have an entire pie of apathy because I do charity work.

VMK:

Bioware messed up, true, but they delivered a complete gaming expirience, while Capcom is just being greedy.

Off on a tangent here:

What's really struck me since ME3 came out is how political one of my favorite hobbies has become. I had been subconsciously aware that the very essence of the industry has, in a manner of speaking, changed (since my childhood). However, recent events have highlighted it and I have to wonder if it's the increasing corporatisation mixed with highly social nature of it all.

mxfox408:

Batsamaritan:
I hope the fat masturbating losers that are keeping this embarrasing mess going get laid soon, they need it.

ITS JUST A GAME. THE ENDING WAS SHIT, GET OVER IT. LIFE IS FULL OF DISSAPOINTMENTS FAR WORSE THAN THIS.

Go live in iran, north korea, zimbabwe or some other shithole, spend a year there then see in the grand scheme of things exactly how life destroying a crap ending to a frankly overrated franchise is. Better yet go to a cancer ward and tell the sick people how frustrated you are i'm sure they will emathise.

sheesh... rant over.

I'm by no means a fat masturbating loser, and I fucked my girlfriend last night, and this morning before heading to work, and I lived in Afghanistan and Iraq for 8 years while deployed in the while in the army as a ranger, and yes life in a lot of ways sucked ass, but I fail to see the relevance to how customers feel cheated towards an investment(paying money for a product expecting a certain experience is an investment) Yes things are worse elsewhere but if you want to bend over and take it up the ass from these corporate dicks after failing to deliver what they advertised that's your problem. If you don't like the fact that others are complaining about thier investment, then simply ignore it. Bitching about people Bitching is just fucken retarded.

Good job Brother. I am a Navy man myself, but I was stationed with the Airborne and Greenberet at the Army 10th ASG on Torri Station Okinawa. I was a cryptologist, but I was a secondary security for Torri Station. Thanks for your 8!

Caverat:

GamesB2:

AnarchistAbe:
Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

Because people really invested in the Mass Effect series, after completing Mass Effect 2 people went back through ME1 and ME2 to see how things changed.

Once they completed ME3 it didn't really seem like there was a point, I could spend 3 games alienating every possible ally and being a complete prick to all other races and the ending won't change in the slightest.

Well, it's not like any of the decisions you made in any of the games changed their respective ending in anyway. It boiled down to 'Save the council/Don't save the council' and 'Keep the Collector base/ Don't keep the collector base.' Nothing else done throughout the games changed those endings(Except for the post ending bit in ME2 were some of your team might be dead, the equivalent of which can easily be added to 3 via DLC, but, ultimately didn't change the ending in any way.), I don't see why people have tantrums because the third game followed suit.

Those weren't actually THE ending, just the end to the first and second games. MAss effect 3 ended the whole story, and nothing you did in the games changed the ending whatsoever, which would be kind of ok if it weren't for the fact that there were several alternative endings, but it all boiled down to pushing a button. Giving the player a button to push after specifically promising your actions would influence the story is just plain dumb.

Shinigami214:

May I direct you to this blog post which has a wealth of such examples, most of which are far more specific than than a quick skim off the ME3 website?

No, you may not. What your directing me to are NOT advertisements for the game. If what your pointing to is not an advertisement then it cannot support the claim of false advertisement. What your directing me to is interviews and articles that people interpret as promises. What your putting forth is just the public interpretation of promises via forum discussions and interviews filled with a whole lot of speculation, circumstantial evidence and out and out extrapolation. Not actual advertisements as in viable print/video advertisements where the advertisement says in no uncertain terms that this game will have X feature.

Now I will have to quote myself in order to re illustrate exactly how and why info mining from the bioware forums and the Casey interview(or any interview for that matter) are not viable points to call on because again, its people making interpretations, not actual statements of features.

Ive still yet to see anything presented that is an "advertisement" that has not been disproven already (IE: the line about outcomes on the ME3 advertisement page) or that is not related to interviews or bioware forum posts that are based extensively in public misinterpretation/speculation. When that gem is presented I will back off on this, but even after dozens of quotes to prove me wrong and a month later its still not yet surfaced.

Seldon2639:

"I don't want to hear about this stuff anymore, but I can't be bothered to not click on the links"

Talk about entitled.

Entitled is the most misused words by the game industry, game journalists, and anyone else that likes something another customer does not like.

Here is real entitlement. A person that does not work and Expects a check.
A student who does minimal work and expects an A.

A consumer that Pays for a product, and is disappointed is not feeling entitled. They are disappointed.

If I as a consumer, refuse to buy another Bioware game because I am expecting it to have a shoddy ending like their last two games, I am not acting ENTITLED. I am acting as a consumer.

If I DEMAND that bioware change the quality of their endings for the better or I will not buy their product, I am indicating that since I cannot expect better writing from the company I can take my business elsewhere. That is in no way entitlement.

I do not have any sort of right to the ending I want if Bioware chooses to show off their artistic integrity (which is good visually but their writers at least for Mass Effect 3 and DA2 suck). With that, they have no right to the money of consumers they do not please.

Grey Day for Elcia:
Oh for fu...

People, for the love of god, get over it.

People starve to death every day and some of you won't get the fuck over a video game ending. I'm sure it's the worst thing to ever happen to you and all, but with all the rape, murder, poverty and homelessness going on around the world and in our own backyards, you'll forgive me if I don't drop to my knees and cry with you.

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Okay now you're just being a condescending prick. And you know I really, really fucking hate that argument. "some person somewhere has it worse so you're not allowed to be sad". Well as a believer in the multiverse theory I can tell you that there are an infinite amount of universes with a practically infinite amount of people suffering eternal torture. Someone raping and tortuting you to death? Well at least youre suffering will end pretty soon, think about all those other people. (note, that even if you don't believe in the multiverse theory the shear size of the universe pretty much guarantees a similar scenario somewhere else)

People were seriously emotionally invested in this series and had waited years for the ending, and they discover that (in their opinion) the ending was really fucking terrible. I don't support acting entitled but people are allowed to be bummed out for whatever the hell they want, and acting like you're better than them for not caring makes you look like a douchebag.

irishda:
[quote="Seldon2639" post="7.366565.14287134"]

You mean kind of like how in your life the sole outcome is that you will be dead no matter what choices you've made in life? And yet your existence will be defined by the state of your life as it was when it ended and not just the fact that no matter what you do you don't even GET to choose your ending. Gee, sounds like everyone's life is exactly the same since we only get ONE ending ourselves: dead.

The only way this could have been a better straw man argument is if you gathered some hay, tied it into the shape of a man, and beat upon it.

How is this even relevant?

Video games are escapist entertainment.

Seldon2639:

Batsamaritan:
I hope the fat masturbating losers that are keeping this embarrasing mess going get laid soon, they need it.

ITS JUST A GAME. THE ENDING WAS SHIT, GET OVER IT. LIFE IS FULL OF DISSAPOINTMENTS FAR WORSE THAN THIS.

Go live in iran, north korea, zimbabwe or some other shithole, spend a year there then see in the grand scheme of things exactly how life destroying a crap ending to a frankly overrated franchise is. Better yet go to a cancer ward and tell the sick people how frustrated you are i'm sure they will emathise.

sheesh... rant over.

1. Having had sex fairly recently, I can say that it has little relevance on my disappointment with the Mass Effect 3 debacle. I'm not sure where you got the idea that sex was somehow involved in the disappointment here, but I think you might need to take a look at an anatomy textbook, since the penis is in no way involved in playing most video games.

2. Yes, there are people worse off than anyone who was disappointed in Mass Effect 3. So what? Are you saying that you never complain about anything in the world, or try to make it better, on the basis that it's not as bad as other people have it?

You never ask for a raise, because you make more than some other people, right? You never ask for time off, because some people don't get any time off.

Right?

I complain about things that matter, hell I complain when a story sucks, but I dont go on and on and on and on and on... about it like some whiney little cretin. The take back mass effect cult just seems to me to be the prattling of silliy little people with iconsequential lives finding silly little causes to whine about when there is so many real and actual problems to deal with. I complained about the ending of lost for example, briefly then got on with taking care of my family and getting on with my career and paying my bills.

Darkmantle:

LewsTherin:
Screw it, I'm suing Robert Jordan for being dead. He clearly stated that he would finish the Wheel of Time, and that he would keep writing until they nail shut his coffin. Clearly, the series isn't finished, and the writing ceased before he was interred. As a consumer of this medium I have certain rights, and I will have them recognized and appreciated by the powers that be. This is a FALSE STATEMENT, and I demand recompense for my woes.
Is..is that how it works?

there's something called a statue of limitations. Perhaps you have heard of it?

Or more likely the poster does not properly understand the differences in the two cases.

Very seldom will I agree with such organization. But she is absolutely right. I'm not on the bandwagon of haters for this thing. But that is what bothered me from the beginning on it. The ending is not really affected by what you do in the game, which is the opposite understanding of what Bioware has wrought in both it's advertisements and previous Mass Effect play experiences. This also lends itself to the idea that Bioware changes things in their games that people arguably like. As in the case with Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2. They almost completely changed the game. The same can be said to the streamlining of inventory from ME1 to ME2, something I'm not upset about, but many of my friends really hated. To the point they never even bought ME3 because the inventory system was not returned... which I think is kinda crazy.

There is certainly room for artistic license to be taken in the event of all of these things. But people do have to realize that Bioware's main concentration is making things that players want, their main prerogative is to make as much money as they can by making games that at least somewhat cater to what gamers want. Clearly, they haven't had a problem in that area, but is it really right to ignore the wants of the people who have been there since the beginning?

Edit: The ending also explains how they had a play mode where there were no dialog options and conversations happened cinematically. It's because the choices you made didn't matter in the end, which is a bit of a shame. Since that is the main thing that draws people into Bioware games, the story and player role in the story.

Batsamaritan:
I complain about things that matter, hell I complain when a story sucks, but I dont go on and on and on and on and on... about it like some whiney little cretin. The take back mass effect cult just seems to me to be the prattling of silliy little people with iconsequential lives finding silly little causes to whine about when there is so many real and actual problems to deal with. I complained about the ending of lost for example, briefly then got on with taking care of my family and getting on with my career and paying my bills.

What the hell? I can't complain that about an ending because somewhere in a world a dictator is killing innocent people? I can't express my frustration on an issue because a child somewhere in the world is starving?

Why are you sitting on your computer like some whiny little cretin? You should be out there fixing all of the worlds problems RIGHT NOW. You should stop carrying on this inconsequential lifestyle of whining about RME and find some worthwhile things to whine about!

mxfox408:

Batsamaritan:
I hope the fat masturbating losers that are keeping this embarrasing mess going get laid soon, they need it.

ITS JUST A GAME. THE ENDING WAS SHIT, GET OVER IT. LIFE IS FULL OF DISSAPOINTMENTS FAR WORSE THAN THIS.

Go live in iran, north korea, zimbabwe or some other shithole, spend a year there then see in the grand scheme of things exactly how life destroying a crap ending to a frankly overrated franchise is. Better yet go to a cancer ward and tell the sick people how frustrated you are i'm sure they will emathise.

sheesh... rant over.

I'm by no means a fat masturbating loser, and I fucked my girlfriend last night, and this morning before heading to work, and I lived in Afghanistan and Iraq for 8 years while deployed in the while in the army as a ranger, and yes life in a lot of ways sucked ass, but I fail to see the relevance to how customers feel cheated towards an investment(paying money for a product expecting a certain experience is an investment) Yes things are worse elsewhere but if you want to bend over and take it up the ass from these corporate dicks after failing to deliver what they advertised that's your problem. If you don't like the fact that others are complaining about thier investment, then simply ignore it. Bitching about people Bitching is just fucken retarded.

sure I believe everything you said, honest ;)

well, If i'd feel cheated i'd simply shrug my shoulders and not bother buying the next bioware game, but it was just a lousy ending. By all accounts thats all people were bothered about... nothing more than that. Life is full of dissapointments, get over it. The endless pitiful sobbing and just looks pathetic, its easyy enough to see why any outsider looking at the whole stupid debacle might jump to the conclusion the people complaining were introverted nerds, because thats how the whole argument sounds.

back pain:

60k out of 3.4 million (and growing) is about 1.8%, that's not much in the grand scheme of things. In fact I think Bioware has more to gain in the long run by losing those fans.

Is it only 60K. I never signed a petition. I still won't. ME1 and ME2 I played three times. I only played ME3 once. I don't care about it anymore.

People I know who also no longer care for mass effect due to the ending never signed a petition.

The people that do not sign are not representative of a positive.

Wizards of the Coast is currently changing D&D editions. Largely because of the business they lost due to making a product a large portion of the game community did not like. Customers have the power to change things.

Bioware employed A+ artists, and A+ writers for mass effect 1 & 2. They still had A+ artists but thier writing fell to a C for ME3.

They exaggerated the weight of your decisions in those games. I don't think it intentional, I think the ME3 writers dropped the ball.

Grey Day for Elcia:
Oh for fu...

People, for the love of god, get over it.

People starve to death every day and some of you won't get the fuck over a video game ending. I'm sure it's the worst thing to ever happen to you and all, but with all the rape, murder, poverty and homelessness going on around the world and in our own backyards, you'll forgive me if I don't drop to my knees and cry with you.

Oh great, another one of your kind of people. Needless bleeding hearts. The Britta Perry's of this world. "Don't complain about ANYTHING! Someone, somewhere, somehow is DYING or DEAD! Think about that! I'm socially aware because I realized that on a planet of 7 billion people, there might be someone, somewhere who might be worse off than me or you, so I can take a high ground and feel good about myself for pointing out to others that any and all complaints are void, because someone, somewhere has trumped it because they've got it worse!"

Luckily, from what I've seen, most people seem to grow up from that phase. Hopefully you will too.

Lethos:

Batsamaritan:
I complain about things that matter, hell I complain when a story sucks, but I dont go on and on and on and on and on... about it like some whiney little cretin. The take back mass effect cult just seems to me to be the prattling of silliy little people with iconsequential lives finding silly little causes to whine about when there is so many real and actual problems to deal with. I complained about the ending of lost for example, briefly then got on with taking care of my family and getting on with my career and paying my bills.

What the hell? I can't complain that about an ending because somewhere in a world a dictator is killing innocent people? I can't express my frustration on an issue because a child somewhere in the world is starving?

Why are you sitting on your computer like some whiny little cretin? You should be out there fixing all of the worlds problems RIGHT NOW. You should stop carrying on this inconsequential lifestyle of whining about RME and find some worthwhile things to whine about!

well I just spent the evening consoling my friend whose girlfriend died just days after giving birth to their child. My dad died recently and another friend has cancer.

I dont think heading to a forum and venting about the games shit ending is pathetic, its the whole reporting the game to trading standards, online petitons and $1000 dollar cupcakes, and the fact the whole raging debate is STILL GOING ON.

Its about perspective. I sat through six years of lost for a dreadful ending, I posted about two complaints online. Bleach stopped suddenly with a terrible and abrubt ending, lots of things i've liked dissapointed, but I GET ON WITH MY LIFE.

I would love to see the passion and drive shown by the retake mass effect drive channeled into something meaningful.

Grey Day for Elcia:
Oh for fu...

People, for the love of god, get over it.

People starve to death every day and some of you won't get the fuck over a video game ending. I'm sure it's the worst thing to ever happen to you and all, but with all the rape, murder, poverty and homelessness going on around the world and in our own backyards, you'll forgive me if I don't drop to my knees and cry with you.

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I am disappointed in the ME3 ending. However you will also then be happy to know that I work to educate people about the development crisis of people in impoverished nations.

I am probably more informed on that than most. I am glad to live in a developed nation where I can be upset at a video game ending.

I wasn't disapointed by the ME3 ending to be honest. Its effect has been exactly what I've always hoped for. Absolute rage against mediocrity, laziness, and EA. I also didn't buy the game. I haven't and won't buy anything EA releases. There are better games and companies out there. You just have to go looking for them.

After completing ME3 twice with two very different game saves (one paragon engineer, one renegade femshep infiltrator), I can say without a doubt that there was NO FALSE ADVERTISING AND MY CHOICES MADE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE GAME. So, as the article clearly states, this BBB lady didn't actually play the game and is simply basing her statement off the repeated whines of idiot neckbeards who weren't paying attention to the 30+ hour game until the very end. (Y'know, the 3 choice cliffhanger setting up ME4 that everyone missed the point of)

Batsamaritan:
well I just spent the evening consoling my friend whose girlfriend died just days after giving birth to their child. My dad died recently and another friend has cancer.

I dont think heading to a forum and venting about the games shit ending is pathetic, its the whole reporting the game to trading standards, online petitons and $1000 dollar cupcakes, and the fact the whole raging debate is STILL GOING ON.

Its about perspective. I sat through six years of lost for a dreadful ending, I posted about two complaints online. Bleach stopped suddenly with a terrible and abrubt ending, lots of things i've liked dissapointed, but I GET ON WITH MY LIFE.

I would love to see the passion and drive shown by the retake mass effect drive channeled into something meaningful.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You were capable of doing all that and venting on a forum AT THE SAME TIME!? We have been waiting over 2000 years for your return messiah.

You're totally right though. Your average guy who goes to work, gives to charity, helps his community, and in his spare time takes part in RME because he believes in what they are trying to achieve is so pathetic. He should get his priorities straight and stop fucking up his life.

Now I don't want you replying to me till you have fixed Zimbabwe's economy and brought Assad to justice.

That's all well and good, but you know all BioWare has to do?

Claim puffery, and just like any thing that over-promises they win. Best coffee in the world? Puffery, Best game ever! Puffery. Oodles and oodles of choices! Back of the freaking game box puffery.

Give it up already. I'm pissed; your pissed, but this isn't special.

Comments made in interviews and even full blown advertising campaigns should never be construed as promises. Why do any of us still do that? Haven't we had our expectations let down enough to realize we shouldn't believe what we're told until we get the game in our hands?

Guess not. Nerds gonna Rage, I spose.

Batsamaritan:

I complain about things that matter, hell I complain when a story sucks, but I dont go on and on and on and on and on... about it like some whiney little cretin. The take back mass effect cult just seems to me to be the prattling of silliy little people with iconsequential lives finding silly little causes to whine about when there is so many real and actual problems to deal with. I complained about the ending of lost for example, briefly then got on with taking care of my family and getting on with my career and paying my bills.

complain about things that matter

like complaing about people complaing...thats real productive

(hint: your not changing any minds, just adding to the "problem")

Im going to go ahead and complain as loudly as I want abut ME3's ending..because I can

Lethos:

What the hell? I can't complain that about an ending because somewhere in a world a dictator is killing innocent people? I can't express my frustration on an issue because a child somewhere in the world is starving?

No, you ARE allowed to complain about a game ending. Hell, people have been doing it for generations! You go onto a blog, forum, or video game news industry website and you write your review, people either agree or disagree and you move on with your life. What it's NOT is trying to drive a company into the ground with you incessant whining and self entitlement (Yes I use this term a lot, but frankly it's really the best way to sum up this whole ridiculous thing) and going as far as getting the BBB involved. Even IF you hated the ending, the company does not and should not pander to the low lives who are yelling that they "Owe" them. Hell, if I tried to sue every game company for making a product I hated...Man, I'd be RICH! But you know WHY people don't "Normally" do this? Because it's ridiculous, that's why!

Lethos:

Why are you sitting on your computer like some whiny little cretin? You should be out there fixing all of the worlds problems RIGHT NOW. You should stop carrying on this inconsequential lifestyle of whining about RME and find some worthwhile things to whine about!

I SENSE THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK :D

Mattlore:
No, you ARE allowed to complain about a game ending. Hell, people have been doing it for generations! You go onto a blog, forum, or video game news industry website and you write your review, people either agree or disagree and you move on with your life. What it's NOT is trying to drive a company into the ground with you incessant whining and self entitlement (Yes I use this term a lot, but frankly it's really the best way to sum up this whole ridiculous thing) and going as far as getting the BBB involved. Even IF you hated the ending, the company does not and should not pander to the low lives who are yelling that they "Owe" them. Hell, if I tried to sue every game company for making a product I hated...Man, I'd be RICH! But you know WHY people don't "Normally" do this? Because it's ridiculous, that's why!

You know what? I had this large argument lined up to try and convince you the error of your arguments, but then I figured, if we are on the 11th page of the billionth ME3 ending thread and you still maintain your position of us all being whiny, self-entitled children, then no amount of arguing I do is going to convince you otherwise. You're arguments have been used before by other posters and then largely discredited by a swarm of more posters.

Mattlore:
I SENSE THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK :D

Errr, that was kinda the point of the post? I was pointing out how ridiculous his argument was by satirizing his own post...

SpiderJerusalem:
Oh great, another one of your kind of people. Needless bleeding hearts.

I couldn't care less about the people living in absolute shit--it aint my problem. But one would think the ending to a god damn video game wouldn't be this much of a fucking issue with a little perspective. Christ, people... It's a game. Grow up. It's beyond disliking something and asking for a change; it's now a pathetic tantrum. You know when a little kid doesn't get the toy they want at a store and they roll around on the ground crying, making a big ol' scene and crying their little eyes out over a video ga- I mean, toy? Yeah...

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