BioWare "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3

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This smells distinctly like enabling.

TheBelgianGuy:

Darkmantle:

SweetLiquidSnake:

Where were all of you on my other post? I made one pointing out that these over-entitled fans should be labeled as "Massholes" and condemned, but the entire post ended up getting flooded with Massholes butthurt about my name calling and tried to tear me a new one.

Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this is a dead issue.

your post got flooded because you are in the extreme minority. It should be easy to see that.

People in Retake Mass Effect: 60.000?
Mass effect 3 sales: over 3.500.000?
Irony?

Sample size bro.

statistics, you take it?

VMK:

You played the game, you enjoyed it until the very end, which they will fix.
So stop it. Just stop it. This is literally crazy. It is as if litlle spoiled kid got a fresh, home-made chocolate cookle from his/her grandma, and saw a bit of raw dough on the side:
-UWWAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!! This cookie is bad!!!!
-Honey, please calm down, grandma will fix it.
-No!You messed it up! I hate you!- screamed the child, while eating one cookie after another, for they were delicious, every single one of them. Exept for the one with the dough.

P.S. Quoting I don't remember who, but probably MovieBob: "You want Bioware to make with ME the same thing you hate George Lucas for doing with Star Wars."

Except that cookie dough is delicious, and would make a neat twist on something you'd come to expect from a fully baked cookie. Now if that half of the cookie was burnt to a crisp, then there would be a problem. ME3 ending was the burnt half of the cookie, not doughy.

wooty:

Darkmantle:

wooty:
I still cant see what all the kicking and screaming was about. Its was a bad ending, not a serial killer murdering your family while dancing around in your mothers blood drinking his own piss and fucking your favourite pair of shoes while inserting cheese toasties into your computers disk drive with a philips head screwdriver............which was stolen.

Rant over, back to reality.

this was most definitely a case of "straw that broke the camels back" looking at this as a singular incident, it may seem like non-sense, but when you check out bioware/EA 's track record lately (DA2), and all the other controversies that ME3 sparked (prothean DLC, tali stock photo) the ending being shit is what set off the powder keg.

basically EA kept playing with fire by abusing their fans, now they are getting burned for every past grievance, using the ME3 ending as a focal point.

What I'm on about is that I've seen nothing in Mass Effect 3, or even Dragon Age 2, to require this sheer amount of fuss and blind rage. It was a disappointing ending, which is getting rectified, but still the torrent continues. I could understand the irritation if the whole game was a train wreck, but it was a pretty stellar experience overall.

You must also remember that EA is the same company that closed down many fan favourite studios, and started project 10 dollar, and did the whole "your mom hates this game" and "sin to win" ad campaigns. There's just a lot of bad blood between gamers and EA. It's sad that it manifested here, but it was a long time coming.

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Yawn...

Someone wake meh up when something interesting happens...

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Darkmantle:

TheBelgianGuy:

Darkmantle:

your post got flooded because you are in the extreme minority. It should be easy to see that.

People in Retake Mass Effect: 60.000?
Mass effect 3 sales: over 3.500.000?
Irony?

Sample size bro.

statistics, you take it?

How exactly is your incoherent blabbering relevant? Or are facts wrong when they do not match your opinion? Because in the post you quoted, you were very good at making up your own statistics.

viranimus:

The ending is not specifically the "outcome". Many of the outcomes were decided well before the last 10 minutes of the game as in which civilzations survived and which didnt. The "outcome" extends far beyond the final cut scenes.

I agree with this, but it is a self-undoing argument. Shpoilers

At the end of the day, regardless of what you did in any of the games, the Reapers are no more, everyone is utterly stranded in their home system to perish. That is a constant. Maybe the little details are different (destroy ending: same as above, but now you have to clean up Reaper mess) synthesis: everyone glows, I guess. Control: as above.

This BS is massly effecting my annoyance levels. Drop it already and move on, it's just a game!

AnarchistAbe:

dogstile:
No, they're getting sued for false advertising, not because the ending sucked (even though it did) but because the choices that you had at the ending achieved nothing. Hell, is it even possible to fail mass effect 3? If I rushed through the game and didn't collect war assets, picking the worst choices, I would still beat the reapers.

There wasn't meaningful choices. At all.

Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

Ha ha, no kidding. If this was the reaction every time the industry failed to deliver on it's promises Peter Molyneux would've been driven out of the industry YEARS ago. ...with torches and pitchforks.

JokerboyJordan:
Well, in a sea of opinions, at least one person has gave an unbiased, legal opinion.
Not that'll mean much to all those that say that everyone who complains is an entitled whiny cry baby faggot, who says "THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!"

I don't own ME3, so don't judge me. Just an opinion after all.

What? You speak out against our lord EA?! BURN HEATHEN!

We will light our torches with $100 bills and... oh did we mention the torches are made of money? And the fire too. Whats that? Economic difficulties?! Ahahahaha!

OT: Yeah, somehow I dont think the pro-"any ending will do" group will listen.

AnarchistAbe:
This is one of those, "You won the battle, not the war" moments for gamers. Just wait. Call me a troll, write me off, whatever you want to do. But, just wait and see what publishers respond with.

What you - and, by extension, those critics who've shrieked to high heavens about the terrible potential consequences of this backlash - fail to understand is the following:

1. This whole situation is very much the outcome of specific factors that all came together in a very unique way: it was the ending of a game that concluded an incredibly popular trilogy, it was a subpar ending in comparison to the rest of the game (if the entirely of ME3 had been poorly written, there would still be negativity, sure, but the outrage here is coming from the last-minute swerve, not the game itself), it was an RPG (and yes, genre matters here, because that affects how you perceive the game world and the narrative) and, perhaps most importantly, there is a clear and overwhelming consensus among people who played the game that the ending was problematic. The extent of that is (and has been) debated, but this is still a scenario where the vast majority of players are saying the same thing - I'm sure I don't have to tell you what a rarity that is in this particular medium.

1a. I'm also of the opinion that many ME3 players may have been fans of "Lost" and "Battlestar Galactica" and this was simply the very last straw. :)

2. BioWare's decision to release a revised/expanded/whatever ending doesn't constitute a precedent - that would be the "Broken Steel" DLC for "Fallout 3", which - while primarily designed to extend gameplay rather than story - had the end result of fixing problematic aspects of that game's conclusion. The precedent existed, and it doesn't seem to have affected, say, "Skyrim" in the least.

3. By the same token, BioWare's decision to address the problematic nature of ME3's conclusion does not and will not compel other game companies to follow in their footsteps. Blizzard won't summarily have Sarah Kerrigan marry Jim Raynor because the fans demand it.

3a. However, if a lesson is to be learned here by other game companies - and, indeed, by BioWare itself - it might be this: if you make the supreme effort to craft a well-written and well-designed game, and you win the hearts and loyalties and wallets of many fans, it might be a good idea to avoid getting lazy or sloppy in the last act just because you think you can coast and get away with it. Have the professional courtesy to maintain the standards you have set until the game's final moments. Do you realize that all of this could have been avoided, that ME3 could have been considered an excellent game without quantification of that statement, if the writers had put the slightest bit more effort into those last ten minutes?

Consider all these factors, and how likely they are to recur in such a way that so many people respond in the same way, before blaming whiny, entitled gamers for whatever apocalyptic scenario you're imagining.

AnarchistAbe:
Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.

How stupid.

If anything, this means that game developers won't promise products that they won't be able to deliver.

Don't you get it? The problem wasn't that players didn't like the ending, but that the product didn't meet the expectations and hype establish by Bioware/EA .

If you still want to keep on ignoring reality with your head stuck in the sand, its your call.

Mournblade94:

On this site, most of the game journalists write opinion pieces. Most of them do not know how to compose an unbiased piece.

Oh yes. As a journalist myself, I am routinely horrified at the liberties they take with news items and the degree of personal speculation, conjecture, and opinion they sprinkle them with.

Shinigami214:

AnarchistAbe:
Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.

How stupid.

If anything, this means that game developers won't promise products that they won't be able to deliver.

Don't you get it? The problem wasn't that players didn't like the ending, but that the product didn't meet the expectations and hype establish by Bioware/EA .

If you still want to keep on ignoring reality with your head stuck in the sand, its your call.

Gonna call BS on this one. You mean to tell me that people aren't made just because they didn't like the ending? Complete BS.

TheBelgianGuy:

Darkmantle:

TheBelgianGuy:

People in Retake Mass Effect: 60.000?
Mass effect 3 sales: over 3.500.000?
Irony?

Sample size bro.

statistics, you take it?

How exactly is your incoherent blabbering relevant? Or are facts wrong when they do not match your opinion? Because in the post you quoted, you were very good at making up your own statistics.

My incoherent blathering? that seems incredible hypocritical of you. You, in your own admission, started up a thread in which a large majority of posters were not on your side. You were clearly in the minority, as I had stated. But since you refuse to believe that, you pull up numbers any reasonable person knows do not support your false belief.

It is factually wrong to count the 3.440.000 people who did not sign the petition as "on your side", for all you know, 3 million of them were have been soooooooo disgusted that they never wanted to look at anything EA again and thus never went to the forums, or maybe they all pissed on their copies and never played the game. Maybe a good chunk of them used the disk as a frisbee. You cannot say that just because they didn't sign the one petition you are taking your numbers from, that those people like or are satisfied with the ending.

Hell, under you ideals, petitions would never have any effect in anything. The government could literally just say "well I know that one million people signed this, but 34 million didn't so obviously the majority are against it". It's a false argument and you know it.

AnarchistAbe:
Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.

Are you saying that games endings and stories now are just fine? I agree that "retake Mass Effect" is a bit of a pretentious name, with it never being ours in the first place. But how can you say a demand for coherent interesting story from game developers is going to blow up in our face and give us even LESS ambitious story telling?

Also the only people I've heard that want only a happy ending are the people using it as a example to call retake Mass Effect a bunch of whiners.

dogstile:

AnarchistAbe:

dogstile:
No, they're getting sued for false advertising, not because the ending sucked (even though it did) but because the choices that you had at the ending achieved nothing. Hell, is it even possible to fail mass effect 3? If I rushed through the game and didn't collect war assets, picking the worst choices, I would still beat the reapers.

There wasn't meaningful choices. At all.

Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

Of course they deserved this. As do the developers of any game that hasn't lived up to what they've promised. If you sell a product advertising it has a feature and you take it out without removing the advertisement, you deserve to get sued.

I don't know why Bioware has been singled out, but it doesn't matter, more companies should learn. Just because they've always done it doesn't mean its ok.

Hellz to the yeah

About time something brought this disgusting trend to a screeching halt.

Why is it that advertising for virtually any product is relatively rigorously expected to meet certain standards, while games are seemingly exempt and producers/developers are free to promise games that will cure cancer and fellate you on a nightly basis?

Sod that.

animehermit:

Shinigami214:

AnarchistAbe:
Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.

How stupid.

If anything, this means that game developers won't promise products that they won't be able to deliver.

Don't you get it? The problem wasn't that players didn't like the ending, but that the product didn't meet the expectations and hype establish by Bioware/EA .

If you still want to keep on ignoring reality with your head stuck in the sand, its your call.

Gonna call BS on this one. You mean to tell me that people aren't made just because they didn't like the ending? Complete BS.

So I take it you love the taste of sand, or is it you like how muffled the outside world sounds from down there?

P.S. I'm not saying that I somehow expect to know why every single player was mad at the ending. What I'm saying is that the actual problem with the ending was that it constituted flawed and misleading advertising.

Now, if you want to sweep the problem off the table because of some vague disingenuous assumption that the massive consumer backlash was simply entitled nerdrage fanhate, then congrats to you: Achievement Unlocked: Missed the Point by a Mile.

But if you're willing to recognise that the problem is in fact, independent from a portion of consumers who might or might not have been angry because they would have preferred a more positive ending (or whatever the case may be), then we might actually start getting somewhere.

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Holy shit can we just drop this already? This sort of fan-boy flareup happens every god damn time something slightly controversial happens. People get all pissy, others start trolling them for it, and the whole thing devolves into one giant kindergarten play fight. It ends as soon as it begins, and it makes the entire industry look like crap. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better.

Andy Chalk:
Stephens' proclamation carries no legal weight but it'll probably make a lot of aggrieved fans feel a little better about the whole thing, or at least give them some sense of validation.

Oh. Well, crap. Here I thought that this was going to be an article about how the FTC complaint was being taken to court or something.

...look, I know how important it is to get readers for any news outlet, but this is an an article about how someone in the Better Business Bureau in Northern Indiana said, on a blog, that ME3's ending was technically false advertising. And yet its title proclaims, 'Bioware "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3.'

I can't remember the last time I saw a headline that used quotation marks so deceitfully.

Ok. THis is the definition of outcome.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outcome
This is the definition of ending.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ending?show=0&t=1334182272
This is the definition of conclusion.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conclusion

Kindly read all three before you go about shouting that the BBB is in the wrong because outcome does not mean the same as ending. m'kay? Doesn't matter if you hate the retake4rs this is a legal matter. Bioware/EA falsely advertised the product, they deserved to face the consequences. The decisions you made in the game had ONE effect on the ending. You don't get enough war supplies? All you get is the red path. This means anything you did in the first two and the vast majority of work in the third; does fuck all. So yes, the decisions you make will effect the IMMEDIATE outcome(being the decision will have a consequence soon after completion) but not in the gran scheme of the game.

A law was broken, it must be acknowledged. The fuck is with the world today. Sure if i were to pull a stunt like this i would be a con man but if Bioware does it its ok because its just whining from crybabies. There is no excuse for this kind of dissonance. If a company breaks a law they should be punished, not have those calling for the punishment related to nothing but entitled crybabies. That is not how it is supposed to be.

Dendio:
I would like a happy ending. I spent 3 games working for my happy ending. What I have now is galaxy wide death and destruction at the hands of exploding mass relays.

Beyond that, the ending suddenly forces shepard to think like a reaper. All they talk about are cycles and millenia of civilizations. Shepard cares about saving the people of his cycle. The final problem should not be solving the reapers issue for them. The player does not care about breaking the cycle. We just want to kill the reapers, take back the earth and then grab a drink/blue babies/house of rannoch. We also want it to make sense.

Less space magic and star kid. More Narrative Coherence

'Tis why I added the Per Se.

I too would like a happy ending, if you do everything you can, mass the biggest army, have the largest group of loyal allies right by your side then why shouldn't we be able to take down the Reapers without a bittersweet ending?

I'm not saying it should be easy to attain and it doesn't even need to be there, but it would be nice.

animehermit:

Shinigami214:

animehermit:

Gonna call BS on this one. You mean to tell me that people aren't made just because they didn't like the ending? Complete BS.

So I take it you love the taste of sand, or is it you like how muffled the outside world sounds from down there?

I'd rather stick my head in the sand than listen to entitled morons

Congrats, looks like you got a head start on us all.

At first I was kind of with the people complaining to bioware but once I was past the initial shock the whole thing started looking rather silly. It reminds me of a song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxfpbyV-uc&

GamesB2:

AnarchistAbe:
Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

Because people really invested in the Mass Effect series, after completing Mass Effect 2 people went back through ME1 and ME2 to see how things changed.

Once they completed ME3 it didn't really seem like there was a point, I could spend 3 games alienating every possible ally and being a complete prick to all other races and the ending won't change in the slightest.

Well, it's not like any of the decisions you made in any of the games changed their respective ending in anyway. It boiled down to 'Save the council/Don't save the council' and 'Keep the Collector base/ Don't keep the collector base.' Nothing else done throughout the games changed those endings(Except for the post ending bit in ME2 were some of your team might be dead, the equivalent of which can easily be added to 3 via DLC, but, ultimately didn't change the ending in any way.), I don't see why people have tantrums because the third game followed suit.

This is stupid. This is moronic. I never want to hear the words "Mass Effect" again. All interest I had in the games has evaporated after this whole mess, even after all the ME-tards spoiling everything every chance they got didn't make me give up.

You are consumers. Sometimes you're dissatisfied. Sometimes you expect Jesus Christ to come down and personally hand you a game that will blow your mind, and you whine and cry when you get an above-average but overall unfinished and slapdash experience of an ending. Do you know what they could have done? They could have had Shepard press a button that would have a big effect one way or another and a white light and then cut to credits. They could have had it all be a dream, for fuck sakes. Would you have whined and cried any more than you have now?

I think this is an excellent example of "know your audience."
I don't think anyone is going to be bringing a class action anytime soon, but it does indicate that EA, and by association BioWare are all disingenuous.

EDITED for clarity.

Also edit:
Considering I gave up on ME2 when they went Gears of War and dropped the inventory system I love so much from KotOR. I was fully prepared for a piece of shit woot!

It's funny the games weren't even that long when you get right down to it. The story is maybe 5 missions for ME1 and then like 6 for ME2? the rest is filler and errands for various characters. I guess if you get really engrossed in logistics, scavenger hunts, and your weekend shopping list, getting absorbed by the side missions is pretty much inevitable.

PrototypeC:
This is stupid. This is moronic. I never want to hear the words "Mass Effect" again. All interest I had in the games has evaporated after this whole mess, even after all the ME-tards spoiling everything every chance they got didn't make me give up.

You are consumers. Sometimes you're dissatisfied. Sometimes you expect Jesus Christ to come down and personally hand you a game that will blow your mind, and you whine and cry when you get an above-average but overall unfinished and slapdash experience of an ending. Do you know what they could have done? They could have had Shepard press a button that would have a big effect one way or another and a white light and then cut to credits. They could have had it all be a dream, for fuck sakes. Would you have whined and cried any more than you have now?

I completely fail to understand the point of your post. Are you asking if, assuming the ending was different but just as shit, we would still complain? Well I would I assume so, I mean, the ending was bad, if we had an equally bad but different one I fail to see how that would change anything

Yeah, she obviously did very little research into this. If she did, she would know that the FTC complaint against Bioware is complete garbage and would be laughed out of court.

Also, Peter Molyneux better watch his words now, less he be hit with FTC complaints... Also, who wants to file FTC complaints against Axed for not giving me all the chicks if I wear their body-spray?

AnarchistAbe:

dogstile:
No, they're getting sued for false advertising, not because the ending sucked (even though it did) but because the choices that you had at the ending achieved nothing. Hell, is it even possible to fail mass effect 3? If I rushed through the game and didn't collect war assets, picking the worst choices, I would still beat the reapers.

There wasn't meaningful choices. At all.

Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

Because they lied? They promised so much, like us not getting a A B C choice ending, and that's what we got, we got promised that our choices mattered, they did not, there going down the road that capcom has been on for years, and this is coming from a Mass Effect fan, if you cant tell by my Screen Name.

Darkmantle:
I completely fail to understand the point of your post. Are you asking if, assuming the ending was different but just as shit, we would still complain? Well I would I assume so, I mean, the ending was bad, if we had an equally bad but different one I fail to see how that would change anything

Point? You want a point? It's more of a rant on my overall frustration with this coddled, entitled attitude that not one person deserves to have, let alone thousands or tens of thousands. I don't understand the point of involving the trade commission with feeling personally butthurt, but it happened anyway.

Wow, this is fucking stupid.
Stupid overreactions like this do no good for the gaming industry. The RPG market was dwindling as is, and this is only going to make it even worse.
The ending wasn't even that bad, anyways.

dogstile:
No, they're getting sued for false advertising, not because the ending sucked (even though it did) but because the choices that you had at the ending achieved nothing. Hell, is it even possible to fail mass effect 3? If I rushed through the game and didn't collect war assets, picking the worst choices, I would still beat the reapers.

There wasn't meaningful choices. At all.

You could rescue an ancient race from extinction, or finish the job the krogan started.

You could reunite a race of machines with their creators and end centuries of pointless conflict, or end it with genocide.

You could save a race from slow extinction and give them a new beginning in a new galactic setting, or do the same, but with your mistakes installing in power those who would let history repeat itself.

You could do all this, and more...but in the end, all you need is a heartbeat and a handgun. And hopefully, you're not colorblind. Otherwise, you'd have trouble telling the endings apart.

I personally prefer this theory:

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AnarchistAbe:
Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

Alright. Do you have an example? Where official game marketing promises specific things that are not in the game, that is. "Intense gameplay," "An epic story," and "Vibrant gameworld" are not specific things, by the way. They're subjective traits and are thus always up for debate.

Promising "the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome" is something which is objectively untrue. Everyone who finished Mass Effect got one of three endings, all of which were alarmingly similar to each other. I won't say it's a great thing to base a legal complaint on, but it's certainly a thing, which is more than 'this ending sucks' can say.

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