Internet Petition Demands Dark Souls Drop GFWL

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Damn these entitled losers that first complain that they cannot get Dark Souls to their PC master race, and now they complain about a system that works perfectly fine.

You are all worse than the ME3 fanboys crying over spilt milk...

You all need to take a good look in the mirror...

AnarchistAbe:
IT ISN'T OUT YET!!! How do you know it doesn't work? I have never once had an issue with GFWL.

Ive seen you around, you just go a the away from popular majority don't you? GFWL is terrible, its broken, and people dont like that at all.

NightmareLuna:
now they complain about a system that works perfectly fine.

GFWL does not work fine.

It works like shit.

lacktheknack:

w00tage:
...gee, since Steam can "import" games and manage them thereafter (check it out), they don't even have to release it on any distribution network and pay those fees. They can just contract a download service, pay for the download, and (I would guess) trigger the "Add to Steam" feature at the end of the installation.

That's not what anyone is complaining about.

"Add to Steam" does not magically integrate the online component with Steamworks. People want Steamworks, not Steam.

For comparison, go play Team Fortress 2 on Steamworks, then play Street Fighter IV on GFWL. The difference is like heaven and hell.

Actually, I don't think Steamworks is the issue here. The only reasons to use a distribution platform are to get a sales channel and a version management system (i.e. Steamworks). Since both are doable without a platform, adopting one is a business decision, not a technology one. (Or if you're a publisher like EA, to attempt to segment a population of consumers so you can establish your own little monopoly, making it more of a d*ckmove decision. But that's about 1000 other threads. )

For users, it's a straight "which middleman's crap do we have to put up with to get our game" issue. I was pointing out that there is no reason for users to have to put up with anyone's crap, the game can be released through direct purchase and download, and if users really want it "on Steam", they have the option of adding it to their Steam library manually.

(As a matter of fact, it would be interesting if users could DETACH a purchased game from its distribution platform and attach it to another. Wouldn't THAT be some power in the hands of us consumers.)

As for your recommendation that I actually allow that creeping infestation of crud known as GFWL onto a computer I want to remain stable and useful, I'm afraid I must decline.

NightmareLuna:
Damn these entitled losers now they complain about a system that works perfectly fine.

1) stop using useless ellipsis.

2) Have you ever actually used GFWL? You sound like someone who owns a console, and as such, doesn't actually know what the issue is.

I myself have never had any problems with GFWL.
I think it's because of some very smart decisions I made with my usage of it.
I never used GFWL in my life. 'Nuff said.

Live is such a terrible system I have no idea why anyone would use it... I would take rootkits and install limits over this.

I do on the other hand REALLY want to play this on PC though... damn.

ummm I have a Mac, I doubt GFWL works on a Mac.....Steam does

AnarchistAbe:
Or, hear me out, they could just stop with the PC ports. Piracy strains the PC market, it's not as profitable as consoles, and it's a smaller consumer base. Why don't they just stop releasing PC titles?

This coming from a PC gamer, who loves the PC. Seriously, we should just try to be thankful for what we get.

Ah, this argument. Consoles have piracy as well. It one of those common myths like apple products not having any trojan problems.

NightmareLuna:
Damn these entitled losers that first complain that they cannot get Dark Souls to their PC master race,

and now they complain about a system that works perfectly fine.

You are all worse than the ME3 fanboys crying over spilt milk...

You all need to take a good look in the mirror...

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GFWL is a broken service. It is not barely functional, it is non functional in many cases. After being bought Bioshock 2 around launch to this day i have still been unable to get the multiplayer to work at all. The singleplayer i had to crack to get to function. Same story with Dirt 2 but mercyfully the online did work for a couple of months after weeks of wrangling and failed updates. Still had to use a work-around to get the thing to save though and then manually back them up.

Don't just take my work for it though, Shamus Young outlines his experiecnes with Games for Windows FAIL

lapan:

AnarchistAbe:
Or, hear me out, they could just stop with the PC ports. Piracy strains the PC market, it's not as profitable as consoles, and it's a smaller consumer base. Why don't they just stop releasing PC titles?

This coming from a PC gamer, who loves the PC. Seriously, we should just try to be thankful for what we get.

Ah, this argument. Consoles have piracy as well. It one of those common myths like apple products not having any trojan problems.

I know there is console piracy. But it's nowhere near as widespread and accessible as PC Pirating.

Brad Shepard:

AnarchistAbe:
IT ISN'T OUT YET!!! How do you know it doesn't work? I have never once had an issue with GFWL.

Ive seen you around, you just go a the away from popular majority don't you? GFWL is terrible, its broken, and people dont like that at all.

Sometimes I do, yes. I like to play the Devil's advocate. But here, I truly feel this way. I have TRULY never had an issue with GFWL.

Yup, GFWL is terrible and doesnt really work that well and even when it does will still piss you around.
It also happens to be almost identical to how xbox live works (except it works on console), meaning that most of the time taken will be put into making sure the port works, developing a control scheme (and hopefully allowing things such as key bindings), checking issues with hardware (gee, Rage on day 1 was a blast) and add anything extra needed.

ccdohl:
Master race? Hahahaha that's funny. haha hah haaaaaaaah.

But seriously, what's with that?

Oh, I think you know what it means...if you don't, try playing online and letting people know you're...not as like them in skin tone.
Thats all I'll say, as you get accused of playing the race card for pointing out flaws of the 'master' race.

eyedonutkair:

ccdohl:
Master race? Hahahaha that's funny. haha hah haaaaaaaah.

But seriously, what's with that?

Oh, I think you know what it means...if you don't, try playing online and letting people know you're...not as like them in skin tone.
Thats all I'll say, as you get accused of playing the race card for pointing out flaws of the 'master' race.

Well, I was just talking about how it's sort of stupid and rude to refer to PC gamers as people who think that their platform is better or that they are superior to console gamers. The passing reference to the PC master race seemed like a swipe at pc gamers and it seemed uncalled for.

I don't know wtf you are talking about though.

GFWL is only being used because NamcoBandai requested From to do so, however Miyazaki has been quoted as saying "final specs and distribution details have yet to be determined." By that, I hope the situation isn't as hopeless as I feared.

sourcehttp://www.destructoid.com/dark-souls-pc-details-specs-control-pvp-and-more-225963.phtml

Ok... in all fairness I dont like GFWL at all, buuuuuuut, the program essentially works just fine.

The problem with it is not that it fails to work. The problem with it is being forced to run at least 3 different service layer processes underneath it to make it work, and if you tamper with those processes it can break the whole setup.

GFWL, LiveID, LiveID Login manager, .net framework and possibly, cant recall, but I think Silver light. All of which are really unnecessary outside of the base client and even that is really not needed. You should not have to run 10 additional processes outside of the main client equaling out to about 20-50 mb of system resources just to run a client so that it can launch the program.

SO if you have all that garbage running, yeah the program works just fine. If you intentionally stop any of those components or fail to update them accordingly, then yes you likely will have problems, but the same is true of steam except if steam isnt fully updated or some of its components cannot run, it just shuts down, instead of continuing to run broken making you think its actually working.

Anyway. Not fond of GFWL for these unneeded resources, but I really hope it doesnt come to steam either. Honestly not that steam is bad, but its the expectation that it was going to be released on steam despite any evidence suggesting it and even evidence suggesting it wouldnt and then pitching a fit in protest because it was not made available to people via their great and glorious gaming benefactor.I would be happy with anything other than steam simply out of spite, but Gamers Gate, D2D, Impulse, GoG, would be idea, So really im fine with GFWL provided it DOESNT go to steam, because people bitching that things didnt go their way seems to be the new black.

In all fairness, I take back what I said. After hearing how using GFWL streamlines the porting and the conditions the port was coming out in the first place, I can see how they are between a rock and a hard place on this one. It still sucks a hell but it might deserve the "buy it anways and crack the offending bits off" treatment. Let's hope the next sequel avoids it from the start -.-

Sandytimeman:
PLease stop GFWL, its so bad it makes Gotham City Imposters almost impossible to play. I hate it so much please, Steam or Ubisoft DRM ANYTHING BUT GFWL!!!!

Strongly agree with what this fellow said.

It's like someone decided to intentionally wreck the game after a really smooth beta. </ /3
I'm all in favour of not having GFWL on anything. Not that I care about Dark Souls, but I do care about GFWL being craptasticular.

I am so f***** sick of people bitching about steam and it all has to run on steam, for fucks sake steam is not the messiah It doesn't even work in offline mode.

OT: They should take it off GFWL and use Origin instead just to see how pissed off people get.

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