Update: Reddit Suicide Lawsuit Is a Hoax

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Well good. I hope the defendants lose their case. This kind of behavior is unacceptable and must be punished harshly and publicly.

was'n't there a jailbait thread on redit? the redit comunity really don't do themselves favours

This is most saddening. It's hard to really say something about this. Some of those Reddit posts were really supporting and say things better than I ever could, but if they didn't get through to him, how do you really stop this sort of thing?

Maybe if someone just got some first-hand intervention with him, grabbed a coffee and talked crap about the internet (as we all do ;) ), give him support or at least help him relax, give him things to look forward to; a hobby or something...

Too late now, though. I'm sure one or two incriminating posters were genuinely misunderstanding the circumstance, but those who were aware of it and still threw out the horrid messages. Disgusting.

While not much can be done for him now, maybe lessons can be learned for the snappy little inconsiderate twats of the internet. Sticks and stones can break your bones, now the internet, that can hurt you.

I know many people think this man was just stupid for turning to the internet for support, but try to step into his shoes for a moment: in addition to supporting a family, he had to take care of his disabled daughter, and tolerate a wife who wanted him to "fuck off and die already". Shit like that doesn't leave much time for friend-making in the real world, so he turns to internet communities to feel like he's a part of something. Yes, as we know, that's a fatal mistake right there, but desperate times and all that jazz.

As to whether or not the Redditors in question should be charged, that's something for the courts to decide. I wouldn't be all that disappointed with either decision, but it will be interesting to see what sort of precedent it sets for cases of this nature in the future. Regardless of the events in the next few days, however, I think those claimed to be responsible should be at least sent invitations to the funeral, or something to bring his demise to their full attention, even for just a moment. Trolls of their caliber need to be made aware of the consequences of their actions.

I hope they see jail time. And not the minimum security kind. The anal rape kind. A black guy with a huge penis stretching them out kind.

Those people have nothing to do with why that guy killed himself and they can't be held accountable in any shape or form. You can tell anyone to go kill themselves, that's not a crime, that's free speech. Whether you like that or not, whether you wanna brand someone evil, soulless or whatever bullshit adjective you can think of, it doesn't matter one single bit, this can't stand in court, particularly as a case of internet communication where trolls and people saying they have intentions to kill themselves are about as common as porn.

Drama does have consequences, as do all actions, but none of this drama started or even ended with those users, every single bit of it was the guy's who killed himself. And if you're posting on a website (one that hosts a variety of users, as opposed to, say, a guild website or sth) that you have plans for ending your life, it's not a cry for help, it's a done matter or perhaps even a cry for something to put you over the edge.

In either case, those people didn't bully him, he came out into the open and started a topic about killing himself. No one but himself is accountable for that nor for his death.

I feel sorry for the guy, but it's not like internet trolls are an unavoidable presence.

He didn't have to stay on the forum and talk to them, but he continued to be egged on. Plus, he apparently even called them trolls. He KNEW that they were doing it to be mean and that nothing they said should have been taken seriously. His decision was his own (although I still blame his ex-wife).

It is a sad event, but avoiding online bullying is as easy as leaving the website, and this sets a bad precedent for future disclosure of user personal information.

Person comes into place where i'm having a good time. Proceeds to tell me he's ending his life. Me, being the upstanding Englishman I am tell him "good luck, now fuck off" because he's willingly come into a place and expected me to care when I have no reason to.

He goes off and kills himself. Did I encourage him? Was it my fault?

Edit: Hint, the answer is no.

I hope the feds never find 4Chan.

Threeseventyfive:

Sandytimeman:

Threeseventyfive:

^^^ THIS

It is a tragic story, but the Reddit users are not at fault for his death.

Doesn't "freedom of speech" mean anything anymore?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences of what you say. You can say whatever you like without censorship but your words still have weight and consequence.

Wat?

"You can say whatever you want without censorship but if you say something we don't like you'll be arrested and charged."

I could understand if you said that "inciting suicide" isn't protected speech but what you said didn't make sense.

For instance you could stand in front of a crowd and yell out how you should kill a small minority. Thats completely protected. But if convince someone to actually do it, then I think thats another story.

Matthew94:
SRS is a pretty shitty place and to say they went too far is an understatement. I hope the people who caused this get a just punishment.

You mean going on with their daily lives because all they did was be jerks? Do we really need to hold the hand of a 51-year old man? I can understand bullying; that's during the formative years when your psyche is still being molded. But a grown adult wants to go onto Reddit (as opposed to a suicide forum, WebMD, the national suicide hotline or, you know, get some professional help) and we're supposed to believe a bunch of anonymous morons are guilty of murder? Seems legit.

Few to no one gave a shit about this guy when he was alive (hence why suicidal people often give big fuckin' hints about it) so don't pretend like you give a shit now.

I may not like Reddit for unspecificed/unknown reasons, but the redditards are guilty of nothing and no one should be trying to argue the veracity of this statement.

80Maxwell08:
I'm going to be honest here. I hate anonymity. That is what leads to this kind of crap. If people's real names were used on these things then maybe they would think twice before telling someone to off themselves. If a bill went through that said people couldn't be anonymous on the internet anymore (to limits of course I'm not saying you have to show everything you do) I would be all for it.

You can't change the world with legislation, the new "crime" will just go underground. There will still be people who will go to deepnet sites to express their troubles as an anonymous (since they don't want the world to know their private feelings... there still is a thing called privacy you know) and there will still be people who will take advantage of being anonymous. Trying to end anonimity will just cause a surge in more nefarious internet activities. edit- people obviously don't read history, when a government tries to take away people's rights, the people bite back, IT DOSN'T WORK.

Yes I believe people have the right to be mean. The anons didn't kill the man, he killed himself. People crying for the anons to be charged are not thinking logically, they're just reacting to the emotional outpour of a suicide. Chit happens.

And really, if you really want to blame other people for him killing himself, do you really think the anons are to be blamed? He obviously had problems before coming to reddit, the anons was just the final straw. You want equal justice? How about we go blame everyone in his entire life that was mean to him? The anons were not the problem, cruelty was the problem and you can't fix cruelty (at least not without creating a totalitarian hell state) you just have to live with it.

He wanted to commit suicide. It is impossible to determine if internet jerks affected his decision. But if he was so weak to allow himself to be pushed over the edge by a few internet jerks, his genes have no place in our gene pool. That's how nature works. No one said it's pretty.

If a person came up to you and told you he was thinking of committing suicide, I'm guessing you wouldn't egg him on. Anyone who thinks a screen gives them the right to be a dickhead is...well...a dickhead.

By the way, people get in trouble for harassing people on Facebook all the time. This year at my school there have been almost a dozen suspensions and who knows how many lesser punishments handed to people who either harassed people on Facebook or were dumb enough to post a picture of themselves smoking a joint. Why should other sites be exempt, just because people think they get to hide behind anonymity?

Now, I'm not saying anonymity is all bad by a long shot. I actually think it's a good thing. But like all good things it can be abused, and people who abuse things to the detriment others should be punished.

Freechoice:

Matthew94:
SRS is a pretty shitty place and to say they went too far is an understatement. I hope the people who caused this get a just punishment.

You mean going on with their daily lives because all they did was be jerks? Do we really need to hold the hand of a 51-year old man? I can understand bullying; that's during the formative years when your psyche is still being molded. But a grown adult wants to go onto Reddit (as opposed to a suicide forum, WebMD, the national suicide hotline or, you know, get some professional help) and we're supposed to believe a bunch of anonymous morons are guilty of murder? Seems legit.

Few to no one gave a shit about this guy when he was alive (hence why suicidal people often give big fuckin' hints about it) so don't pretend like you give a shit now.

I may not like Reddit for unspecificed/unknown reasons, but the redditards are guilty of nothing and no one should be trying to argue the veracity of this statement.

Though I still feel they were douches of the highest order you make a good point, reddit was one of the worst places he could have went to make his statement.

You know it is pretty simple to avoid a lawsuit in the future: Don't threaten someone, don't sexually harass anyone, don't encourage crime.

Greg Tito:
Is your right to be a jerk online more important than a man's life? I can't answer any of these questions,

Are you really that daft, Tito, or is the whole <question, question, don't know the answers, but we'll see what happens> line part of your writing style? Either way, let me answer it for you: FUCK NO. As firmly a believer as I am in that anonymity is a given right, I also believe that in the most extreme cases it can be taken away, and they've just lost that right. The amount of things that are below a human's life are countless, but your right to be a bottom-feeding, slimy piece of trash that'd encourage a human to end his story of all the things in his life that have happened and will happen... nope. Don't know about you, Greg, but I will always place the beauty of humanity higher, and this certainly is no exception.

I hope those reddit users get a lifetime reminder of what they've done. They deserve nothing less.

Welcome to the internet. We're a very encouraging community. One just has to be careful about what it is we're encouraging you to do.

henritje:
I thought this crap was exclusive to Youtube and 4chan.

4chan mostly moved to various subreddits, if I'm not mistaken. SRS and r/Spacedicks certainly have their fair share of the old 4channers floating about.

renegade7:
If a person came up to you and told you he was thinking of committing suicide, I'm guessing you wouldn't egg him on. Anyone who thinks a screen gives them the right to be a dickhead is...well...a dickhead.

By the way, people get in trouble for harassing people on Facebook all the time. This year at my school there have been almost a dozen suspensions and who knows how many lesser punishments handed to people who either harassed people on Facebook or were dumb enough to post a picture of themselves smoking a joint. Why should other sites be exempt, just because people think they get to hide behind anonymity?

Now, I'm not saying anonymity is all bad by a long shot. I actually think it's a good thing. But like all good things it can be abused, and people who abuse things to the detriment others should be punished.

how about instead of seeking revenge through punishment, you forgive them, vow to be a stronger person and try to teach other people to also be strong enough not to fall victim to similiar antics.

I blame the guy for going to the internet for help or sympathy, that's not what the internet is for. Anytime I was suicidal and wrote about it online, well that's how I learned what it meant to an hero.

You know that if a guy is on a building and you're shouting for him to jump and end it all, in person, that you're not liable, right? I don't care what sort of civil lawsuit someone tries to drum up. That would be a reach even for something like the intentional infliction of emotional distress, and you'd have to be doing more than just encouraging him to end it all.

There's no question that it's reprehensible for someone to wish death on a depressed person, or to callously egg him on, but this is a ridiculous lawsuit.

I don't think the claim is valid, because being a total asshole without any other type of physical action on their part is not technically a crime and this isn't what the system is supposed to punish outright.

Regardless of the outcome, the true consequences would be meted out by society anyway. There's a good chance that these people's identities will be public soon, and I don't really have any sympathy for what comes after.

TheKasp:
Words have consequences. Time than people start to learn that. Don't be a jerk, don't tolerate others being jerks, don't live by the wrong saying "sticks and stones".

can I ask what that means? to not tolerate others being jerks?
and "sticks and stones" is true, cause sticks and stones can break your bones, but can an air vibration caused by vocal cords? nope. This is what people mean when they say common sense is dying.

btw, isn't the brony moto TO tolerate? haters gonna hate? I liked you guys, wtf happened?

People being held accountable for their actions? Sounds good to me. Maybe people on the internet should just start using their own names instead of an avatar(Don't bother pointing out that I am posting this with an avatar name cause you probably are too). Twitter has already started showing user names. For all the John Wayne" attitudes I see out there on forums I think people would be happy to use their real name.<---Sarcasm

a tale as old as time. you should not go on the internet for sympathy. haven't we learned this lesson from years of 4chan?

blackriderrom:
Trolling is a right.

Being an asshole is not a right.

McMullen:
If these people can be held responsible for causing a person's suicide, then so can landlords, banks, spouses, significant others, family members, schoolmates, or anyone else who can give a person a bad enough day that they make it their last.

And they are. Accessories to suicide are taken very seriously and with good reason. If we were to limit the act of killing, be it oneself or another person, to a mere physical process, then we wouldn't be able to prosecute people who order assassinations and the like. There is no pragmatic doubt in areas of legal matters, philosophy and psychology that socialogical incentives have as much to do with individual actions as the freedom of that individual.
But the bottom line is: if you're mentioned in a person's suicide note, then you could loose that same freedom for a very long time.

Threeseventyfive:

It is a tragic story, but the Reddit users are not at fault for his death.

Doesn't "freedom of speech" mean anything anymore?

Not when that freedom impedes other humanistic values, such as that of life. Then it becomes a battle of what we deem most important as a society.

renegade7:
If a person came up to you and told you he was thinking of committing suicide, I'm guessing you wouldn't egg him on. Anyone who thinks a screen gives them the right to be a dickhead is...well...a dickhead.

If that was a complete random? I'd ignore him, personally.

But unless I shoved him off the bloody building, I'm not liable for anything.

Surprise, all people aren't nice. That doesn't mean that they should be held for manslaughter of some 50-year old man that decided to jump off a building.

This is interesting actually.

I believe that a human's life is only worth it's actions.
A man who kills himself isn't worth anything, and neither are people who provoke others. I hate jerks with a passion, online and in 'real life'...but I really can't pick a side here.
I do hope they get their comeuppance, and he's dead so there's nothing to worry about.

Revolutionaryloser:

Threeseventyfive:

Revolutionaryloser:

I think you should look up what "freedom of speech" is before you defile it's very honourable and very well defined nature anymore and before you make any more an ass of yourself.

Making an ass of myself? I was only trying to say that the Reddit users do (or at least should) have a right to say what they said.

Are they assholes? Yes.

Should they be held responsible for someone else taking their own life? No.

That's for the judge to decide and "freedom of speech" does not mean freedom to say whatever you want to whomever you want.

No, no it does. The difference is that there may be consequences for it. Barring the "screaming fire in a crowded theater" scenarios then it does mean that you can say what you like, but again there will likely to be consequences if you say things to certain people. Free to say them, free to accept the consequence that will come of it.

I feel for him and his family, I really do...

But maybe the lesson here should be, if you're thinking about ending it all, do not reach out to the internet! Instead, perhaps seek the help of professionals!

Sis:
These people were perhaps directly responsible for him taking his life. Getting Reddit to give up their information is the right thing to do. They definitely do not have to be allowed to be able to hide behind their anonymity.

Well this is good. What's next? If someone cuts me off and I give them the finger, then they get so mad they go home and beat their wife, am I an accessory to the assault?

Yep, lets blame 9 people saying mean things on the internet for this. Oh wait, wasn't he already fully committed to the idea of doing what he did before he even made his first post? Let's sue the owner of the building he jumped off of and the construction company that made the street/sidewalk he landed on. How about the people who made the clothes he was wearing when he did it?

This is certainly a "I don't want to live on this planet anymore." moment, but not because of the conduct of people on Reddit, but because of the conduct of the people who want to start assigning blame to everyone except the guy who decided the best solution to his issues was reenacting a scene from Lethal Weapon without the air mattress to land on. Oh, better sue the distributor of Lethal Weapon while we're at it, it gave him the idea probably.

Yeah, Drama does have consequences.. and this guy just wanted to go out on a dramatic note, same way a 16yr old girl who got stood up for prom would. Unless someone stands behind you and shoves, the only person responsible for you jumping off a building is you.

Sis:
These people were perhaps directly responsible for him taking his life. Getting Reddit to give up their information is the right thing to do. They definitely do not have to be allowed to be able to hide behind their anonymity.

I disagree. They were in no way shape or form responsible for what this idiot did. Suicide is a choice made by the individual to kill themself, no one put the gun in his hand, he did. And anybody who's been on the internet for more than a day knows you don't come here looking for encouragement.

You can't sue the internet or it's users for it being a window into human nature.

Farther than stars:

McMullen:
If these people can be held responsible for causing a person's suicide, then so can landlords, banks, spouses, significant others, family members, schoolmates, or anyone else who can give a person a bad enough day that they make it their last.

And they are. Accessories to suicide are taken very seriously and with good reason. If we were to limit the act of killing, be it oneself or another person, to a mere physical process, then we wouldn't be able to prosecute people who order assassinations and the like. There is no pragmatic doubt in areas of legal matters, philosophy and psychology that socialogical incentives have as much to do with individual actions as the freedom of that individual.
But the bottom line is: if you're mentioned in a person's suicide note, then you could loose that same freedom for a very long time.

So lets say a bank evict you from your house cause you do not pay your loans and therefor the he/she commits suicide since he/she cannot stand being homeless and mention it in his suicide note.
Do you think the banks should be punished? since he/she wouldn't have committed suicide if he/she still had his/her house

blackriderrom:
Trolling is a right.
If you're the kind of person that gets offended by an anonymous comment (expecting anonymous comments to be anything but offensive), you seriously have white people problems. Learn to shrug it off and deal with it. The Internet does not care about your drama and feelings, nor will it ever. No amount of legislation is ever going to change that. (It might make it go away if it forces all conversation to be unbearably polite, in which case people would simply troll more subtly, but with the same meaning.)

That aside, he was already intending to kill himself. And Reddit, like 4chan, has the kind of community that would easily tell you to blow your brains out. That should be obvious to anyone who frequents those places. The same applies to high school bullies, gang members and whatever other real life spiteful people you can think of, but you don't see them being sued for acting like they usually do.

look being depressed is not an emoitional state it is a physical state that you need medication for, these reddit users just added onto that state, it has nothing to do with white people problems 1: Because that isn't even a thing anymore i think you meant 1st world problems
2nd: He has no controll over the chems in his brain

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